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| locusf | morning all :) | 06:42 |
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| stephg | EHLO | 06:55 |
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| gogeta | good morning guys | 08:06 |
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| gogeta | faenil: and dns be with you | 08:07 |
| locusf | ok, now to explore the Nemo rootfs on Jolla possibility | 08:10 |
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| faenil | gogeta, ahah | 08:10 |
| gogeta | securefishnet isn't open .... | 08:11 |
| gogeta | When I got some times I wrote a simple application for that ..... | 08:12 |
| gogeta | for irc mail and chat simply rocks | 08:12 |
| faenil | locusf, may the force be with you | 08:14 |
| faenil | I wish I could help | 08:14 |
| locusf | faenil: thx :) | 08:14 |
| faenil | but no time :/ | 08:14 |
| locusf | faenil: :/ | 08:14 |
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| egrep | Is there any way to *not* dual boot nemo, and instead to just have the entire device be nemo? | 08:31 |
| locusf | egrep: on which device? | 08:31 |
| egrep | n9 | 08:32 |
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| hurrian | egrep: definitely, load up MOSLO, partition the device, untar Nemo onto the phone, then copy the current zImage from /boot and flash it with Flasher | 08:34 |
| egrep | Lemme try... | 08:35 |
| sledges | egrep: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Persistent_Single_Boot_by_Flashing_the_Dual_Boot | 08:36 |
| sledges | and g00d morning! | 08:36 |
| sledges | egrep: only Alt_OS partition is being exported via MOSLO, so it pays to make other but very small | 08:37 |
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| egrep | sledges: I know the first bit, but I don't get that second bit after the comma. | 08:37 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Can.27t_find_your_case.3F | 08:37 |
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| sledges | mmcblk0p4 is what needs to be massive | 08:38 |
| egrep | sledges: Yeah... is it possible without harmattan at all? | 08:38 |
| hurrian | egrep: flash Ubiboot and it'll expose the entire emmc device | 08:39 |
| sledges | egrep: yes, but you'll still need to make 1 2 and 3 partitions, just make them as small as possible when repartitioning | 08:39 |
| sledges | what hurrian said above | 08:39 |
| sledges | or what hurrian said just now ;) | 08:39 |
| sledges | you got options | 08:39 |
| egrep | hurrian: Well, that's what's flashed right now. ubiboot. | 08:39 |
| hurrian | in that case, just connect to a Linux PC via USB while phone is powered off and it'll send you straight into rescue mode | 08:40 |
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| egrep | Wait... so let me get this straight... I make 4 partitions, 1 2 3 contain nothing and are as small as possible, 4 is everything else and contains nemo... right? | 09:08 |
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| sledges | egrep: if you have ubiboot, you don't need to do that | 09:09 |
| egrep | Okay, let's say I have ubiboot. Then I do what? | 09:10 |
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| egrep | Let's say I have one huge partition which cointains nemo. | 09:10 |
| sledges | delete all partitions and create partition 1 for whole | 09:10 |
| egrep | Okay, I have that. And it's got nemo. | 09:10 |
| sledges | and set ubiboot to boot from it | 09:10 |
| egrep | Oh. Hrm. Any way to do it without ubiboot? | 09:11 |
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| egrep | Well... hold on, first, how did harmattan boot? | 09:12 |
| egrep | Because if I'm understanding how this works correctly, harmattan just booted through whatever system is already in place... is it possible to get nemo to boot through that? | 09:12 |
| egrep | Or am I understanding this incorrectly. | 09:12 |
| sledges | !seen juiceme | 09:14 |
| Merbot | sledges: juiceme was last seen in #nemomobile 3 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <juiceme> sledges, :) | 09:14 |
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| sledges | egrep: needs studying how ubiboot works. if phone is in factory state, i think MOSLO boots harmattan with its kernel params etc, so there might not be a straightforward way to shovel nemo in there instead | 09:15 |
| sledges | i'd just hope is as easy as "default boot OS" in ubiboot ;) | 09:16 |
| egrep | Well, it is if I don't go around and changing stuff around too much in ubiboot.conf. | 09:17 |
| * egrep tries one more thing before resorting to ubiboot | 09:18 | |
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| locusf | seems that sbj-packages can't be cached | 09:32 |
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| egrep | Well, it works. Now if only ubiboot just skipped straight ahead to nemo without any annoying animations... | 09:35 |
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| sledges | egrep: good stuff, posting a question on ubiboot tmo thread could be good; as juiceme is not around atm | 09:39 |
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| hurrian | egrep: NOLO has hardcoded boot parameters which it uses to boot Harmattan, these are mostly the same for Nemo. | 09:44 |
| hurrian | HOWEVER, iirc Wayland needed some configuration of the video memory, so it might not be totally compatible. | 09:44 |
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| egrep | hurrian: Hrm... interesting... so why not make something that's the equivalent of that but with nemo boot params? | 10:03 |
| hurrian | nobody really cares enough to go and patch NOLO with those boot args, it's comfy enough using MOSLO/Ubiboot | 10:03 |
| hurrian | alternatively you can hardcode them into the kernel and ignore NOLO's bootargs, but the kernel would be device-specific because it had the IMEI and HW-serial (WTF, Nokia?) | 10:04 |
| egrep | Using moslo/ubiboot seems... I dunno... dirty... I would actually personally go with either of the options that you just gave, if I knew how. | 10:06 |
| hurrian | you'll need to prep a MerSDK VM, install the cross-compiler and just build n9_mer_defconfig with your cmdline in the kernel | 10:06 |
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| egrep | hurrian: Which one of the two options is that? | 10:17 |
| sledges | egrep: 2nd:) | 10:18 |
| egrep | Yeah... that's what I thought. ._. | 10:19 |
| egrep | First option seems... better, though. | 10:19 |
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| jmlich | Hi, I was about to rebuild my package in OBS, but I don't see trigger service button anymore. Any ideas how run git service in mer obs? | 10:31 |
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| kimmoli | i manually edited service file with new commit sha | 10:46 |
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| gogeta | who is here caldav master ? | 13:27 |
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| SK_work | but he is away | 13:29 |
| SK_work | gogeta: chriadam|away | 13:29 |
| gogeta | I've published my carddav/caldav server | 13:31 |
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| SK_work | and ? | 13:35 |
| SK_work | gogeta: ah ? | 13:35 |
| SK_work | do you want to test something ? :) | 13:35 |
| gogeta | Sure for sure | 13:35 |
| gogeta | I'm working for a company who also sells opensource collaboration platform | 13:36 |
| SK_work | :) | 13:36 |
| SK_work | gogeta: which company (ooc) ? | 13:36 |
| sledges | and is it funambol? ;) | 13:48 |
| sledges | ggabriel from #jollamobile has a caldav server at home too btw | 13:48 |
| sledges | lots of api hell :/ | 13:48 |
| sledges | as every implementation of caldav interprets RFCs differently | 13:49 |
| gogeta | sledges: funambol caldav was implemented by my master | 13:50 |
| gogeta | you know ? | 13:50 |
| gogeta | We got a home | 13:50 |
| gogeta | owncloud | 13:50 |
| gogeta | apple calendar server | 13:50 |
| gogeta | bedework | 13:50 |
| gogeta | davical | 13:50 |
| gogeta | baikal | 13:51 |
| gogeta | for now ... the most effective is davical | 13:51 |
| sledges | ggabriel uses owncloud | 13:51 |
| gogeta | bedework is super massive black hole | 13:51 |
| gogeta | based on sabredav | 13:51 |
| gogeta | as owncloud and baikal | 13:51 |
| sledges | crikey ^_^ | 13:51 |
| gogeta | but the best is calendar server and bedework | 13:52 |
| gogeta | the also have freebusy | 13:52 |
| gogeta | and all nuts and bolts | 13:52 |
| gogeta | every kind of server have their caveats | 13:53 |
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| locusf | hmm interesting, when using launcherfoldermodel from lipstick, the spinner starts on homescreen startup and stays that way forever | 15:09 |
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| locusf | had to dig up the object type from it and not show the spinner when tapping on folders | 15:16 |
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| Deformat | Hello everyone, long time, no see. I'm currently busy with exams, so haven't done much (well, qwazix, I hope that you see this). Another thing that I'd like to leave around here: | 18:41 |
| Deformat | http://www.slashgear.com/heres-what-android-l-will-look-like-25335317/ | 18:42 |
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| Deformat | Also, did I miss a lot of work in the past 2 months? | 18:43 |
| Deformat | Graphics, at least | 18:43 |
| locusf | Deformat: https://twitter.com/locusf/status/479630992052076544/photo/1 | 18:45 |
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| Deformat | Screw me sideways, that looks way better than expected | 18:46 |
| Deformat | It's on the Jolla, right? | 18:46 |
| Deformat | Or on the N9, locusf? | 18:46 |
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| locusf | Deformat: on the Jolla yes | 18:47 |
| locusf | N9 is horribly broken | 18:47 |
| faenil | we should really fix n9 | 18:47 |
| gogeta | asap | 18:47 |
| faenil | gah I have to stop wasting time on chat and plan my days better to do both thesis, p2p project, and glacier | 18:47 |
| faenil | lol | 18:47 |
| locusf | I've been trying | 18:47 |
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| locusf | both? you mentioned 3 things lol | 18:48 |
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| Deformat | Question to Jolla users: do you have Here maps with offline abilities? | 18:48 |
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| Deformat | Thing is, I'm stuck to getting a W8 tablet for it's offline services and some Nokia stuff. I'd buy a Jolla in an instant if the mapping services were included. | 18:50 |
| locusf | no offline maps for Jolla :/ | 18:50 |
| M4rtinK | well, you can use Android offline mapping apps as a stopgap | 18:50 |
| Deformat | Only 80 mb :\ | 18:51 |
| tbr | or that maeps thing | 18:51 |
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| Deformat | On Here you can basically have the whole road maps of a country for as much as you please | 18:52 |
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| Deformat | Maeps? | 18:52 |
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| faenil | locusf, right (3 things) :D | 18:56 |
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| M4rtinK | also modRana :) | 19:10 |
| faenil | and I didn't include time for gf in the equation...she deserves a lot :) <3 | 19:12 |
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| qwazix_ | locusf, btw if nobody objects I suggest to change the gps icon with this http://play.qwazix.com/shared/gps-icon.svg | 21:14 |
| qwazix_ | Deformat, thanks for the link, lots of useful info | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | well, the current one is more technically correct :) | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK | giant terrestrial dish antennas don't play any role in GPS | 21:19 |
| qwazix_ | M4rtinK, it's true | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand even the current icon looks rather weird | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK | no real satellite looks like this | 21:21 |
| qwazix_ | if you see that (dish) icon will you grok immediately that it is gps? | 21:21 |
| qwazix_ | that is our goal for icons if it does that then it's okay | 21:21 |
| qwazix_ | even if no email ever came wrapped in an envelope | 21:22 |
| qwazix_ | everybody understands the meaning | 21:22 |
| qwazix_ | (though there are some oddities too in that approach) | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | well I would rather think "uplink" or "internet" when looking at it | 21:23 |
| qwazix_ | I bet most of todays teenagers only ever saw a diskette on a save icon | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | for the record I remember already discussing the Nemo icon a few months ago, should be somewhere in the logs | 21:24 |
| qwazix_ | M4rtinK, then we might have to reconsider | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | http://www.w-uh.com/images/1402/3D-printed_save_icon.jpg | 21:24 |
| qwazix_ | that specific icon doesn't feel at home with the other, rounded icons | 21:24 |
| qwazix_ | hahaha | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | sure, it indeed looks weird | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, for inspiration, this is the satellite icon I use in modRana: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana-graphics/blob/master/icons/gps_satellite.png | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK | which is a simplified image of the actual GPS satellite :) | 21:27 |
| qwazix_ | hmm, too much for a status icon though | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | or maybe something like this ? | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | http://thenounproject.com/term/satellite/5350/ | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | sure, would be too small | 21:27 |
| qwazix_ | maybe a crosshair-something, but it might be confused with the nfc icon next to it | 21:27 |
| M4rtinK | another idea (that already came up in the old discussion) would be to use a compass icon | 21:28 |
| M4rtinK | Harmattan does that IIRC | 21:28 |
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| qwazix_ | yeah this one with a bit of rounding could work | 21:28 |
| M4rtinK | or going with the nautical theme a sextant: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana-graphics/blob/master/icons/navigation.png :) | 21:29 |
| qwazix_ | I also thought we might use a POI icon to match the maps application | 21:29 |
| qwazix_ | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/homescreen.png | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that might work too | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | or the position indicator | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK | indicating "current position acquired" | 21:29 |
| qwazix_ | sextant is cool and geeky! | 21:30 |
| M4rtinK | yeah :D | 21:30 |
| qwazix_ | and there's the added benefit that the first time someone sees that icon he will probably have just launched maps or something, so even if it's weird it's easy to associate | 21:30 |
| M4rtinK | looking at the homescreen image, the current satellite icon really has to go :P | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK | I can say I haven't seen sextant being used for a location anywhere yet | 21:31 |
| qwazix_ | good that it's not only me :P | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK | so it would be first :) | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK | *a first | 21:31 |
| qwazix_ | btw, it's still early but would you be interested to have modRana be the official nemo maps application? It might require some UI modifications to fit Glacier, but it would be very nice to have it, IMO | 21:34 |
| qwazix_ | (and while we still have generic names on mockups etc. I think it's a good idea to have real app names as a default lineup, instead of "web" "mail" "maps" etc. | 21:35 |
| qwazix_ | M4rtinK, ^^ | 21:39 |
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| M4rtinK | qwazix_: sure, why not :) | 21:39 |
| qwazix_ | good! I'll give it a spin on the drawing board then | 21:40 |
| M4rtinK | I actually already have a skeleton prepared for using Glacier as the QtQuick component backend | 21:41 |
| M4rtinK | not really anything there yet but it is ready to start overriding the default Controls elements as soon as Glacier elements become available | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | this is how the GUI looks like with the Controls backend: http://modrana.org/images/qt5_gui/ | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | and this is with Silica | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana-0 | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | with the same declarative GUI code | 21:44 |
| * qwazix_ goes and looks | 21:45 | |
| M4rtinK | so the same thing could be made for Glacier and even more if needed | 21:45 |
| qwazix_ | nice | 21:46 |
| qwazix_ | I was always torn whether it is a benefit to try to maintain an abstraction layer for controls or have different qml UI's altogether | 21:47 |
| qwazix_ | the "disposable" qml seemed more appealing to me | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | if your app is a single use one | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | the it might | 21:47 |
| qwazix_ | especially since mobile UIs differ much more than the desktop UI's do | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | once it does something more & is incrementally developed -> no way | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK | well, this is still really a mobile UI | 21:48 |
| qwazix_ | (ie if you theme gnome with a win8 theme or aqua it becomes almost indistinguishable) | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | just with the aim to run on as many mobile devices as possible | 21:49 |
| qwazix_ | :nod: | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | funny thing many people call Gnome 3 a "mobile/tablet UI" | 21:49 |
| qwazix_ | gnome shell is tablet-y | 21:49 |
| qwazix_ | gtk-3 not so much | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK | while it is pretty much unusable on a tablet or a mobile phone (I've seen it on both :) ) and even the developers themselves say so :) | 21:50 |
| qwazix_ | (and by the way while it looks like it could function very well on a tablet, it doesn't) | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK | well, the main paradigm is a top left hot corner | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK | try to do that on a touchscreen :P | 21:50 |
| qwazix_ | you can press the activities button | 21:51 |
| qwazix_ | which reminds me of maemo | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | well, there is a bit of any mobile platform in Gnome 3 | 21:51 |
| qwazix_ | but it doesn't work very well with touch, I don't know why | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | the switches come from Harmattan | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | combined menu in 3.10 from Android | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | notifications and blue/red buttons from webOS :) | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, turns out GTK3 has a Hildon-style window stack :) | 21:52 |
| qwazix_ | Gnome 3 has one thing that the UI designers deserve a lot of praise for: it's very easy to adopt | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | if only was GTK not so damned API-unstable | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | *GTK3 | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, surprisingly | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | the early versions have been almost unusable | 21:54 |
| qwazix_ | I switched a couple of people at work to linux, and they adapted in less than a week to the new UI | 21:54 |
| qwazix_ | it's simple enough without beeing primitive | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | but since 3.6 or 3.8 I have no issues using it with just a few extensions and it is my desktop both at work and at home | 21:54 |
| qwazix_ | I prefer Unity @work | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | as a result I try to use the hot corner on any machine now :P | 21:55 |
| faenil | +1 | 21:55 |
| qwazix_ | just because of the HUD. It's a pain to search through GIMP's menus for a specific function | 21:55 |
| faenil | I got rid of gnome after the update to f20 broke my system | 21:55 |
| faenil | (because of gnome segfault at boot) | 21:56 |
| qwazix_ | if you have every conceivable extension enabled | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | windows, games, KDE (well, there it shows ALL windows on all workspaces by default)... | 21:56 |
| qwazix_ | but the home laptop has gnome, easier on the eyes and *much* faster | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | faenil: from 19 to 20 ? | 21:56 |
| faenil | y | 21:56 |
| qwazix_ | (btw Mac OS has a configurable hot corner that can be set to open a similar overview) | 21:57 |
| faenil | I had to install and setup xfce from recovery cli! | 21:57 |
| M4rtinK | faenil: if you still have any logs it might be worth to fill a bug | 21:57 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, it was months ago | 21:57 |
| faenil | but I already had issues with gnome chewing up all my RAM after a few days of resume/suspend (probably a huge memory leak) | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | /var/log/fedup.log :) | 21:58 |
| faenil | now I'm a happy xfce user :) finally something which doesn't clog my system | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | I don|t have issues with Shell itself leaking | 21:59 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, let's see | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | but with other apps leaking and making shell stop responding | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | like Evolution or Virt Manager | 21:59 |
| faenil | [ 50.896] (II) fedup:<module>() /usr/bin/fedup exiting cleanly at Sat Jan 4 18:44:54 2014 | 21:59 |
| qwazix_ | Evolution (and pretty much every mail client) cannot handle my huge gmail inbox | 22:00 |
| qwazix_ | but especially evolution dragged the computer with it | 22:00 |
| qwazix_ | shame because it's my favorite mail client | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | faenil: hmm, that doesn't say much | 22:01 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, no it doesn't | 22:01 |
| faenil | the version was gnome-shell-3.10.2.1-3.fc20.x86_64.rpm | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | faenil: I'Ve checked mine and I have there everything - fedup depsolving, downloading packages & installing them | 22:02 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, yes of course I only pasted last line :P | 22:02 |
| faenil | it's a huge file, 4.7k packages | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | I would suspect some breakage during package installation | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | anyway I have version 3.10.4 release 5.fc20 on a freshly updated F20 | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | so it might have been fixed since then | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | also there is a COPR (the Fedora PPA equivalent) for Gnome 3.12: http://fedoramagazine.org/running-gnome-3-12-on-fedora-20/ | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | use at own risk of course :) | 22:07 |
| faenil | :) | 22:07 |
| qwazix_ | btw Gnome shell desperately needs Mac OS style multitouch gestures... | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | well, first it needs some compatible multitouch hardware to run on :D | 22:08 |
| qwazix_ | clickpads | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | well, maybe on some touchscreen notebooks | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | oh god, no clickpads | 22:08 |
| qwazix_ | (unity is a lost cause, it does have the support, it hijacks it and does nothing with it) | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | it is enough how clickpads ruined the latest THinkpads | 22:08 |
| qwazix_ | even the three-finger move window gesture was removed | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | who needs separate buttons with tactile feedback | 22:09 |
| qwazix_ | and still you can't use touchegg or something because unity eats up the gestures | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | if you can use a trap trigger from an old RPG :P | 22:09 |
| qwazix_ | I like good clickpads | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | (the latest Thinkpad clickpads move vertically when you click) | 22:10 |
| qwazix_ | but *very* few are good | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | no idea where GTK3 is with gesture support | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | or Gnome | 22:10 |
| qwazix_ | when activities are open it eats the gestures, but does nothing | 22:11 |
| qwazix_ | otherwise it just ignores them | 22:11 |
| qwazix_ | (at least you can use emulation software) | 22:11 |
| qwazix_ | but emulation is not as good as real gestures | 22:12 |
| qwazix_ | for example you can't just peek the next workspace, only switch | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | I've been actually only using pinch to zoom in my apps so far | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | due to how hard gestures are to get right | 22:14 |
| qwazix_ | :nod: | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | mainly due to discoverability | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | even a long press is a problem | 22:14 |
| qwazix_ | yeah, gestures should mostly be either system wide, or redundant | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | how do you communicate it to the users ? | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | not mentioning a counterclockwise 5 finger rotation | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:15 |
| qwazix_ | old symbian had a nice animation for long press | 22:15 |
| qwazix_ | an expanding circle when you touched | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | Opera has/had that circular progressbar | 22:16 |
| qwazix_ | yeah, that too | 22:16 |
| qwazix_ | it all originated from old Windows Mobile if i'm not mistaken | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | that reminds me of the swirl zoom on the N900 :) | 22:16 |
| qwazix_ | WM5 or maybe even WM3 had something similar | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | that was a nice gesture, shame it was not system wide | 22:16 |
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| qwazix_ | yeah, I liked that very much | 22:17 |
| qwazix_ | easier to do one-handed than pinch, and with more accuracy too | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | I think it still has merit for some use cases | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | like single hand operation | 22:17 |
| qwazix_ | yep | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | I think I even found some open source game that implemented the swirl detection algorithm | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | found it: http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php/HappyFrog?content=140171 | 22:19 |
| qwazix_ | cool, I didn't know that | 22:23 |
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| qwazix_ | have a good night. o/ | 22:27 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, I ported that game to bb during one of the portathons, lol | 22:29 |
| faenil | not sure if I published it though, as landscape locking via manifest wasn't working at that time | 22:30 |
| faenil | gnite! | 22:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi faenil | 22:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | night | 22:34 |
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