| stephg | ryukafalz: what do you have to hand devices-wise? | 00:31 |
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| ryukafalz | stephg: I've only got a Sprint Galaxy Nexus at the moment :( | 00:34 |
| ryukafalz | So unsupported, and also CDMA, which I understand is a problem due to lack of ofono support | 00:34 |
| stephg | ah | 00:35 |
| stephg | and also, ah | 00:35 |
| ryukafalz | actually I think someone's gotten Nemo running on a GSM GNex | 00:35 |
| ryukafalz | still, no CDMA | 00:35 |
| stephg | there may be hope for that once the Sailfish HADK comes out | 00:35 |
| stephg | it can run CM 10.x right? | 00:35 |
| * ryukafalz plans on switching to T-Mobile at some point | 00:35 | |
| ryukafalz | it can indeed | 00:35 |
| ryukafalz | but I think ofono still needs to support it for radio support | 00:36 |
| stephg | pass, I don't know how abstracted things are | 00:36 |
| ryukafalz | at least, that was the explanation I always found re: ubuntu touch | 00:36 |
| ryukafalz | which is similar | 00:36 |
| stephg | well that's hybris underneath too afaik | 00:36 |
| ryukafalz | yeah, though with extra drama :P | 00:37 |
| stephg | heh | 00:37 |
| stephg | so you're in the US? are you east or west? | 00:37 |
| ryukafalz | east | 00:37 |
| ryukafalz | NJ | 00:37 |
| stephg | reason I ask is the folks that can better answer your questions are all asleep now | 00:37 |
| stephg | cool, so there is a fair overlap then time-wise | 00:37 |
| ryukafalz | haha, I know, it's not much of a question though as I already know the answers mostly ;) | 00:38 |
| stephg | but if you want to get hacking... | 00:38 |
| ryukafalz | oh, the "how Glacier is coming" bit | 00:38 |
| ryukafalz | yeah | 00:38 |
| stephg | well that too | 00:38 |
| stephg | where in NJ if you don't mind me asking | 00:38 |
| ryukafalz | Glassboro since I go to Rowan | 00:39 |
| * stephg gets google maps open | 00:39 | |
| ryukafalz | :P | 00:39 |
| ryukafalz | it's up by philly | 00:39 |
| stephg | I had a cage in NJ that I had to move to another cage in NJ a few years back so was over there for several weeks | 00:40 |
| stephg | that was all northeast tho | 00:40 |
| stephg | rather than down there | 00:40 |
| ryukafalz | Cage as in datacenter cage/ | 00:41 |
| ryukafalz | ? | 00:41 |
| stephg | yeah | 00:41 |
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| ryukafalz | Huh, work for a hosting company or something? | 00:42 |
| stephg | all around Newark basically | 00:42 |
| ryukafalz | ...NAC? :P | 00:42 |
| stephg | ha no, was a startup but long before the cloud had happened and whilst we were founded in London the main POP was there | 00:43 |
| ryukafalz | Ahh, okay | 00:45 |
| stephg | good times, but I'm glad I don't have to deal with physical things anymore | 00:45 |
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| ryukafalz | hah | 00:46 |
| ryukafalz | I work for a hosting company that has servers in NAC's DC | 00:46 |
| ryukafalz | never actually been there though | 00:46 |
| stephg | well, even then, the scale of the stuff I saw in Secaucus was seriously impressive, much, much larger that more or less anything you'd see this side of the pond | 00:49 |
| stephg | but we're off-topic! | 00:49 |
| stephg | beg borrow or steal a nexus 4 ;) | 00:49 |
| ryukafalz | haha | 00:49 |
| ryukafalz | I definitely plan on getting a Nexus 4 once I switch to t-mo | 00:50 |
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| ryukafalz | They're surprisingly still expensive though D: | 00:50 |
| faenil | o/ | 00:51 |
| stephg | they're good devices, slippery as anything tho | 00:51 |
| faenil | ITALY WINS! | 00:51 |
| stephg | ohai faenil | 00:51 |
| * stephg facepalm | 00:51 | |
| faenil | (bhuahua) | 00:51 |
| stephg | hehe | 00:51 |
| ryukafalz | I'm kinda considering a Nexus 5 too | 00:51 |
| stephg | italy weren't all that | 00:51 |
| faenil | stephg, :p | 00:52 |
| ryukafalz | honestly the Nexus 4's shiny back is making me want it a lot though XD | 00:52 |
| stephg | n5 shouldn't be too far behind for nemo-ish things btw | 00:52 |
| stephg | so isn't a bad bet | 00:52 |
| stephg | ryukafalz: that shiny back - I have it on record from several colleagues - will leave *any* surface you put it on when you're not looking | 00:52 |
| stephg | all on it's own | 00:53 |
| stephg | faenil: I get to wear two hats, but sadly both of those hats lost tonight ;) | 00:53 |
| faenil | stephg, eheh | 00:54 |
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| ryukafalz | stephg: But it's so shiny! | 00:56 |
| ryukafalz | and matrix-y! | 00:57 |
| ryukafalz | (just need a good case for it) | 00:57 |
| faenil | good night people :) | 00:57 |
| ryukafalz | 'night! | 00:57 |
| stephg | gnight faenil | 00:57 |
| stephg | well given there'll be no n6 you should get what you can | 00:58 |
| ryukafalz | wait what? | 00:58 |
| stephg | they're winding it up or absorbing it into something else (or something) | 00:58 |
| stephg | I don't pay that much attention to the nexuses | 00:58 |
| stephg | let me try and find a link | 00:58 |
| stephg | http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/553767/20140527/nexus-6-7-10.htm | 00:59 |
| ryukafalz | I mean they can't get up to 7 again because, well... :P | 01:00 |
| stephg | well that too :) | 01:00 |
| stephg | btw you could get one of them as well, and they're cheap as chips: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 01:00 |
| ryukafalz | oh I actually do have one of those | 01:00 |
| stephg | 2012 or 2013 ;) | 01:01 |
| ryukafalz | 2012 N7 | 01:01 |
| stephg | aha! | 01:01 |
| ryukafalz | specifically for trying out alt-OSes :P | 01:01 |
| stephg | well is a reference for Ubuntu right? | 01:01 |
| ryukafalz | I do need to get around to figuring out the Nemo build process | 01:01 |
| stephg | reference device I mean | 01:01 |
| ryukafalz | formerly, haha | 01:01 |
| ryukafalz | they've moved to 2013 | 01:01 |
| ryukafalz | IIRC | 01:01 |
| stephg | oh really? | 01:02 |
| ryukafalz | it's been a while | 01:02 |
| * ryukafalz checks | 01:02 | |
| ryukafalz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 01:02 |
| ryukafalz | yep | 01:02 |
| ryukafalz | but yeah I've got my N7 running a few different things with multirom | 01:03 |
| stephg | all android or anything more exotic? | 01:03 |
| ryukafalz | need to figure out how to build a Nemo image with that because I actually do have some important-ish stuff on the main android install now | 01:03 |
| ryukafalz | Android, Ubuntu Touch, Plasma Active | 01:03 |
| stephg | oh you have Plasma Active on there? how recent? | 01:03 |
| ryukafalz | not too recent, I think from around when PA 4 came out | 01:04 |
| stephg | aha | 01:04 |
| stephg | again I can't really help but folks that hang out here can | 01:04 |
| ryukafalz | yeah, need to figure out the build process so I can build my own images instead of relying on the ones at the PA release site | 01:04 |
| ryukafalz | it's probably pretty easy, just haven't had the time :P | 01:05 |
| stephg | yes | 01:05 |
| stephg | wel sometimes all you need is pointing in the right direction | 01:05 |
| ryukafalz | also need to adapt https://github.com/Tasssadar/plasma_multirom_packer to general Mer packages so I can make a Nemo multirom image | 01:05 |
| stephg | hm a year old | 01:06 |
| ryukafalz | it still works afaik | 01:06 |
| ryukafalz | unless something's really changed with mer stuff in that year | 01:06 |
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| ryukafalz | could be that it hasn't changed because it hasn't had to be changed :P | 01:07 |
| stephg | no fair enough, afaik nothing in mer should have changed that drastically | 01:07 |
| stephg | nemo otoh | 01:08 |
| ryukafalz | sure, but I don't think it's anything nemo-specific... well it's not for nemo actually so it wouldn't be XD | 01:08 |
| ryukafalz | the question is if it'll work for making nemo images without much modification | 01:08 |
| ryukafalz | which I think it *should* if I'm understanding things correctly | 01:09 |
| stephg | yes, it should | 01:09 |
| stephg | anyway ryukafalz is bed time | 01:12 |
| ryukafalz | haha alrighty | 01:13 |
| ryukafalz | 'night | 01:13 |
| stephg | come back in the morning, and chat to lbt and sledges they'll be able to get you a bazillion miles further than I can | 01:13 |
| ryukafalz | duly noted haha | 01:13 |
| stephg | anyway have a good one and speak to you soon | 01:14 |
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| locusf | hello | 09:17 |
| locusf | glad to see activity during the night :) | 09:17 |
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| faenil | locusf, morning! :) | 09:30 |
| locusf | hey faenil | 09:31 |
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| locusf | just watching eng-ita | 09:32 |
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| faenil | hehe | 09:35 |
| faenil | enjoy! :) | 09:35 |
| sledges | locusf: don't read the backlog then :D | 09:38 |
| sledges | spoiler alert :)) | 09:38 |
| vgrade | faenil: /me did not enjoy | 09:40 |
| faenil | vgrade, condolences | 09:41 |
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| locusf | it was a shortened rerun | 09:54 |
| locusf | and I did read the backlog lol :) | 10:03 |
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| locusf | now I gotta make the statusbar so that items appear on top of it instead of below | 10:09 |
| locusf | like on applications page I see that the close all overlaps with the battery icon | 10:10 |
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| * faenil wants to work on nemo :/ | 10:16 | |
| locusf | studies stopping you? | 10:16 |
| locusf | I should too work on my thesis but I find that coding is much more pleasurable :) | 10:17 |
| bencoh | locusf: isnt your thesis *about* nemo/mobile ux ? | 10:21 |
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| locusf | bencoh: yes it basically is | 10:25 |
| locusf | I explore both open source and ux aspects of nemo on it | 10:25 |
| faenil | locusf, yeah, too busy :( | 10:25 |
| locusf | glacier being the focus | 10:25 |
| locusf | faenil: its ok :) | 10:26 |
| faenil | locusf, coolest thesis evah | 10:26 |
| faenil | maybe too much implementation oriented, but at least it's fun :) | 10:26 |
| locusf | sure, our department is quite loose on the subject of them | 10:27 |
| locusf | but I have managed to create a good theoretical base by exploring both open source and user experience theories | 10:27 |
| bencoh | locusf: then you are actually working on your thesis :) | 10:27 |
| locusf | bencoh: hehe indeed :) | 10:27 |
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| stephg | morning all | 10:34 |
| locusf | hey stephg | 10:35 |
| faenil | stephg, hey | 10:40 |
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| locusf | hmm I desperately need the icons from sandy_locke | 10:51 |
| locusf | I don't wanna use the jolla ones forever :) | 10:51 |
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| locusf | also I don't think there is a contextkit property for enabled nfc | 10:55 |
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| deztructor | locusf: there is no yet. but you can write provider for it ;) there is only a provider reporting backcover state written by MSameer | 11:12 |
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| locusf | deztructor: okay :) | 11:15 |
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| locusf | does anybody know how to blur a parent item but not its children? | 11:43 |
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| special | locusf: QML? | 11:54 |
| locusf | special: yes | 11:55 |
| special | what are you using for the blur? shader? | 11:55 |
| locusf | QtGraphicalEffects | 11:55 |
| locusf | with FastBlur | 11:55 |
| special | ah | 11:56 |
| special | well, the first question is whether your parent actually *must* be a parent item | 11:56 |
| locusf | hmm | 11:57 |
| special | the answer is almost certainly no | 11:57 |
| locusf | it has to be | 11:58 |
| special | oh? | 11:59 |
| locusf | its the root item that holds all the child rectangles for a itemized statusbar | 11:59 |
| locusf | http://pastie.org/9292030 | 11:59 |
| special | ..does FastBlur actually blur what's behind a transparent rectangle? | 12:00 |
| locusf | yes | 12:00 |
| special | neat | 12:00 |
| locusf | this one blurs the background too | 12:00 |
| locusf | but it also creates a glowing effect on the child items | 12:00 |
| special | Item { Rectangle { anchors.fill: parent; FastBlur { ... } } Rectangle { id: cellular ... } } | 12:01 |
| special | why can't the background be the lowest-stacked sibling instead of the parent? | 12:01 |
| locusf | well I haven't thought of that | 12:01 |
| locusf | hmm now the blur isn't applied to the background either | 12:04 |
| locusf | let me grab a screenshot, wait a moment | 12:05 |
| locusf | https://www.dropbox.com/s/c9k5nlach916qio/20140615145946.jpg | 12:07 |
| special | "Note: It is not supported to let the effect include itself, for instance by setting source to the effect's parent." | 12:09 |
| special | so it sounds like FastBlur should be a sibling of the background item, not its child | 12:10 |
| locusf | hmm | 12:10 |
| locusf | has anyone seen this, a great idea by qwazix http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=738 :) | 12:11 |
| locusf | the idea I'm trying to create is in here: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/homescreen.png | 12:12 |
| * special idly wonders how FastBlur is implemented | 12:14 | |
| locusf | would it be easier with a shader? | 12:15 |
| special | the answer is "with shaders" | 12:15 |
| special | just make FastBlur a sibling of its source instead of a child of its source and see if that helps. | 12:15 |
| locusf | okay | 12:16 |
| locusf | now the effect isn't applied to the background :p | 12:17 |
| locusf | I moved the FastBlur to MainScreen and its now a sibling of the statusbar | 12:18 |
| situ | giucam: I get this stacktrace when I try to connect a wayland client with example qml compositor http://pastie.org/9290907 , any ideas how to fix it ? | 12:21 |
| giucam | situ: debug it ;) | 12:23 |
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| giucam | debug symbols would help | 12:23 |
| situ | giucam: Also I get this message when compositor starts : Failed to initialize egl display. Could not get EglDisplay for window. | 12:24 |
| giucam | situ: that would explain the crash | 12:24 |
| situ | giucam: So what am I missing here ? | 12:24 |
| situ | I could not get much information about this crash on google. | 12:26 |
| giucam | situ: what's your $EGL_PLATFORM? | 12:28 |
| situ | giucam: It's not set. | 12:28 |
| giucam | situ: set it to fbdev | 12:28 |
| situ | giucam: still crashes | 12:31 |
| giucam | situ: is the egl error still there? | 12:31 |
| situ | giucam: Yes | 12:32 |
| giucam | hmm | 12:32 |
| giucam | situ: what qpa platform are you using? fbdev? | 12:32 |
| situ | giucam: I have not changed any settings. what is the default one ? | 12:33 |
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| giucam | situ: the default one is usually xcb, but check the QT_QPA_PLATFORM env var | 12:33 |
| situ | QT_QPA_PLATFORM not defined. | 12:34 |
| giucam | ah, i'm stupid. of course it crashes | 12:35 |
| giucam | rset that to fbdev | 12:35 |
| giucam | i should have seen it from the backtrace | 12:35 |
| situ | giucam: Set QT_QPA_PLATFORM to fbdev ? | 12:35 |
| giucam | situ: yes | 12:36 |
| situ | giucam: http://pastie.org/9292116 | 12:36 |
| giucam | situ: sorry, eglfs, not fbdev | 12:37 |
| giucam | situ: you can also pass it with the -platform option instead of setting the env var | 12:37 |
| situ | giucam: http://pastie.org/9292121 | 12:37 |
| giucam | situ: sudo !! | 12:38 |
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| giucam | or put your user in the video group | 12:38 |
| situ | giucam: Fatal: Failed to open server socket | 12:39 |
| giucam | situ: right, XDG_CONFIG_DIR problems. put your user in the video group and try with that | 12:39 |
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| situ | giucam: Is that fine if I execute as root user ? | 12:42 |
| giucam | situ: as long you have a valid XDG_CONFIG_DIR set up, but it's better to not run the compositor as rtoot anyway | 12:42 |
| giucam | situ: RUNTIME, not CONFIG | 12:43 |
| giucam | today i'm kinda disconnected | 12:43 |
| situ | giucam: It happens with me too, no problems. | 12:44 |
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| situ | giucam: http://pastie.org/9292132 | 12:45 |
| giucam | situ: did you relogin? | 12:46 |
| situ | giucam: nope | 12:46 |
| giucam | adding a group doesn't take effect until you relogin | 12:46 |
| situ | :) | 12:46 |
| situ | giucam: Now this http://pastie.org/9292136 | 12:48 |
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| giucam | situ: are you on hw or in the emulator? | 12:49 |
| giucam | i.e. is the gl stack mesa or hybris? | 12:49 |
| situ | I am running it on fedora 20 (not in nemo). | 12:50 |
| vgrade | situ: ah. did you follow http://wayland.freedesktop.org/building.html | 12:50 |
| situ | on hardware. | 12:50 |
| giucam | situ: wait, you mean you're trying to run it on top of x? | 12:50 |
| situ | giucam: Right | 12:50 |
| giucam | situ: aaaaaaaahh | 12:51 |
| giucam | situ: then set the qpa platform to xcb | 12:51 |
| giucam | situ: and unset EGL_PLATFORM | 12:51 |
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| situ | giucam: That starts the compositor, but it crashes when I try to connect wayland clients to it. | 12:52 |
| situ | vgrade: Yes, I have followed that. but I am not using those builds currently. | 12:52 |
| giucam | situ: same egl error? | 12:52 |
| situ | giucam: The stacktrace which I showed you earlier and same error. | 12:53 |
| giucam | situ: what does glxinfo say? | 12:53 |
| situ | giucam: http://pastie.org/9292149 | 12:53 |
| giucam | situ: do you have EGL_DRIVER set? | 12:54 |
| situ | Nope. | 12:55 |
| giucam | does weston work? | 12:55 |
| situ | giucam: Yes | 12:55 |
| giucam | with egl? | 12:55 |
| situ | I am able to see wayland clients in weston. | 12:55 |
| giucam | ok, but only egl ones too? try running wesotn-simple-egl | 12:56 |
| giucam | -only | 12:56 |
| locusf | special: resorted to just use opacity :p | 12:57 |
| situ | giucam: No such command. | 12:57 |
| giucam | situ: i made a typo ;) | 12:58 |
| giucam | ah, but it's not installed... | 12:58 |
| giucam | well, what about a qml app? | 12:59 |
| situ | giucam: Qt wayland clients are working fine with weston. | 12:59 |
| giucam | situ: qml clients use egl, qtwidget ones may not | 13:00 |
| giucam | situ: i want to understand if egl clients run in weston | 13:00 |
| situ | ok, let me try it | 13:00 |
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| someguy213 | can someon help me with dual boot sailfish and harmattan ? | 13:06 |
| someguy213 | please? | 13:10 |
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| situ | giucam: I wrote a simple qml script, and started it with 'qmlscene helloqml2.qml -platform wayland' and it works ! | 13:25 |
| situ | giucam: qml window is shown in weston. | 13:25 |
| situ | giucam: on the console log qmlscene shows "Using Wayland-EGL" | 13:27 |
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| giucam | situ: did you build qtbase yourself? | 13:31 |
| situ | giucam: No, I downloaded qt5 from http://download.qt-project.org/official_releases/qt/5.3/5.3.0/qt-opensource-linux-x64-5.3.0.run | 13:32 |
| giucam | situ: i don't know how that was build, but you could try building it yourself passing -egl -gl es2 to configure | 13:33 |
| situ | giucam: Isn't there a way to check it ? | 13:35 |
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| giucam | situ: i don't know | 13:36 |
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| locusf | does anybody remember the discussion about the sharpening glass POC on lockscreen? | 14:04 |
| locusf | is it a blur effect applied to the lockscreen image or how was it? | 14:05 |
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| Morpog_PC | nono | 14:28 |
| Morpog_PC | or well yes | 14:28 |
| Morpog_PC | lock screen gets blured as you move up to unlock | 14:28 |
| Morpog_PC | lockscreen wallpaper | 14:28 |
| Morpog_PC | lockscreen stuff gets faded oit | 14:29 |
| Morpog_PC | and desktop gets faded in | 14:29 |
| Morpog_PC | iirc | 14:29 |
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| locusf | ah | 14:31 |
| faenil | fade? :/ | 14:35 |
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| locusf | oh yeah sandy_locke might appear here today | 15:01 |
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| Morpog_PC | faenil, of course while the icons get moved up | 16:07 |
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