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| SK_Work | morning guys ! | 07:18 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 08:10 |
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| sledges | gdmornin'! | 08:16 |
| vgrade | morning | 08:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi sledges and vgrade | 08:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how do you do | 08:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 08:18 |
| sledges | goody goody! | 08:18 |
| sledges | you? | 08:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | finally I had met the boss on monday | 08:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | not so well | 08:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but is another story | 08:19 |
| sledges | nemomobile has no boss ;) | 08:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i know | 08:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | btw | 08:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | any news here ? | 08:22 |
| sledges | business as usual :) | 08:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I'm still struggling with oVirt AGAIN | 08:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | so no mer | 08:22 |
| sledges | I just got a fancy (formatted) oVirt USB key from ELCE'12 :) | 08:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | doens't work today | 08:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't want imagine at that time | 08:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *doesn | 08:23 |
| sledges | well it was used in a workshop back then, with ~126MB baked image on a 8GB key :)) | 08:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ovirt-node | 08:25 |
| sledges | yep | 08:25 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'm struggling with engine | 08:28 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi faenil | 08:53 |
| faenil | hey | 08:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | how do you do | 09:10 |
| faenil | fine fine :) | 09:16 |
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| locusf | hello | 10:14 |
| sledges | ohi! | 10:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi locusf | 10:24 |
| locusf | hey dr_gogeta86 | 10:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how do you do ? | 10:27 |
| dr_gogeta86 | did you know how to compile for nex5 | 10:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've tried for nex7 2013 | 10:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is quiet a mess | 10:28 |
| sledges | dr_gogeta86: wait for hadk | 10:30 |
| sledges | soon :) | 10:30 |
| locusf | I have no idea aboout nex5 :p | 10:30 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | are quiet similar | 10:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but both are supported since cm11 | 10:35 |
| SK_Work | come on sledges | 10:41 |
| SK_Work | it's soon for a looong time now | 10:41 |
| SK_Work | Valve time ? | 10:41 |
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| sledges | don't think we're delaying it on purpose | 10:49 |
| sledges | and how many soon's we've had in the past? ;) | 10:50 |
| locusf | soon fortunately means that its bound to happen :) | 10:50 |
| SK_Work | sledges: not accusing you in delaying things | 10:50 |
| SK_Work | just that Valve-Blizzard time is horrible to live with | 10:51 |
| sledges | good things come for those who wait | 10:51 |
| SK_Work | sledges: come on, I have already wait for Jolla to launch a smartphone :P | 10:52 |
| sledges | was it good? :D | 10:52 |
| SK_Work | the launch was good :) | 10:55 |
| SK_Work | the wait, no | 10:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sledges: better a guinnes | 10:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and I don't like stouts | 10:55 |
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| locusf | how can I wrap a QQuickWindow to a QML item? | 11:07 |
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| sledges | giucam: ^ | 11:09 |
| giucam | wrap? | 11:10 |
| sledges | (thanks for coming back ;) | 11:11 |
| giucam | from where? i never went away (almost) ;) | 11:12 |
| sledges | to your highlight that is ;) | 11:12 |
| locusf | I need to wrap it to an Item inorder to display it in the compositor | 11:14 |
| giucam | that is, show a window in an item? | 11:14 |
| giucam | try QQuickWindow::grabWindow | 11:15 |
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| sletta | locusf: a window is already shown in the compositor. Are you doing changes in the compositor? | 11:16 |
| giucam | i think he's talking about a non-wayland window? | 11:17 |
| giucam | mmh, but that wouldn't make sense | 11:17 |
| faenil | background: we have Glacier components, the ApplicationWindow is a NemoWindow which is a c++ component inheriting QQuickWindow | 11:18 |
| faenil | but it seems the screen is all black when you use such ApplicationWindow as homescreen | 11:18 |
| giucam | so they're not in-process with the compositor? | 11:18 |
| faenil | (I have written Glacier's AppWindow, but haven't looked into this issue yet, locusf is the one working on homescreen) | 11:18 |
| locusf | as faenil explained | 11:19 |
| faenil | giucam, it's nemo-lipstick-home's APpWindow | 11:19 |
| faenil | or whatever its name is now | 11:19 |
| giucam | where's nemo-lipstick-home? | 11:21 |
| locusf | its glacier-home | 11:22 |
| sledges | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home | 11:22 |
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| giucam | i don't see any AppWindow nor *Window | 11:25 |
| locusf | wait a moment | 11:25 |
| locusf | https://github.com/locusf/glacier-home/commit/fb18122e23cbc71fea7a8b5671bfc762f413b03e | 11:25 |
| locusf | https://github.com/locusf/glacier-home/tree/applicationwindow | 11:25 |
| sletta | are the application windows and the compositor running in the same process? | 11:26 |
| locusf | yes I guess | 11:26 |
| sletta | Then you cannot use QQuickWindow as base for the AppWindows if you want to control them in the compositor | 11:26 |
| locusf | oh ok | 11:27 |
| sletta | Well.. you can, but then they need to be a special window, backed by an EGLImage or something and then the compositor picks that up and wraps it as a texture. Kinda what we use wayland and hybris for, except there it happens in a separate process | 11:27 |
| sletta | It is probably easier to make AppWindow a special kind of Item which can live inprocess | 11:28 |
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| giucam | but you should imho try to put only what is really necessary in-process | 11:29 |
| giucam | what are these windows? the widget-like things in the homescreen i saw mockups of? | 11:29 |
| faenil | AppWindow is the main window | 11:29 |
| faenil | as in meego components | 11:29 |
| faenil | it's used for apps | 11:29 |
| faenil | and for the homescreen as well (or at least so we thought) | 11:29 |
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| giucam | ok, so i'm confused. if you're talking about normal apps they're of course not in-process | 11:30 |
| locusf | we'd basically get the orientation built-in with ApplicationWindow | 11:30 |
| faenil | giucam, in this case, it's the homescreen | 11:30 |
| giucam | do you have a dedicated QQuickWindow for the homescreen only? | 11:31 |
| locusf | yes, its in MainScreen.qml | 11:31 |
| locusf | our ApplicationWindow == QQuickWindow | 11:31 |
| w00t | ApplicationWindow in meego's components does not represent an actual window | 11:31 |
| w00t | same for silica | 11:32 |
| giucam | great, than you're on-track to make it out-of-process :) | 11:32 |
| giucam | and simplify things | 11:32 |
| w00t | you need a real window to put it into, either a Window (using QtQuick.Window) or a QQuickWindow (C++ side) | 11:32 |
| w00t | (I haven't looked at your code, so maybe you did it differently) | 11:33 |
| faenil | I see, so when you run apps in meego it's actually the compositor which creates a window for it | 11:33 |
| faenil | and put its AppWindow (which is just an Item) in that window | 11:34 |
| faenil | ? | 11:34 |
| w00t | faenil: no | 11:34 |
| w00t | *your application* creates a window (Window (using QtQuick.Window) or a QQuickWindow (C++ side)), which uses the QPA plugin to set up an actual physical platform window (a wayland window, if you're running a wayland application) | 11:35 |
| giucam | the compositor has no knoweledge of the client's QQuickWindow. it just gets a wl_surface, and maps that to a qtquick item | 11:35 |
| w00t | on the compositor side, QtWayland's compositor API turns wayland surfaces into quick items on *its* window | 11:35 |
| w00t | but it *also* needs a window (which is drawn using hwcomposer on the jolla, eglfs on n950, etc) to display anything on the actual hardware | 11:36 |
| w00t | application scene -> application window -> qtwayland (qpa) -> qtwayland compositor (quick item) compositor scene -> compositor window -> hardware display | 11:37 |
| w00t | application scene -> application window -> qtwayland (qpa) -> qtwayland compositor (quick item) compositor scene -> compositor window -> some hardware qpa plugin -> hardware display | 11:37 |
| w00t | if you want to be explicit | 11:37 |
| faenil | but you said AppWindow in meego is not a window.. | 11:37 |
| * w00t slaps faenil with a trout | 11:37 | |
| w00t | you create one | 11:37 |
| w00t | you put the QML inside it | 11:37 |
| faenil | you don't, you just use AppWindow when creating an app | 11:37 |
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| w00t | are you really telling me you never looked at the C++? | 11:38 |
| faenil | if it was 1y+ ago, it's out of my mind already, lol | 11:38 |
| w00t | https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlgallery/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L45 | 11:38 |
| w00t | that's your physical window | 11:39 |
| locusf | giucam: so how do I make it out-of-process | 11:39 |
| faenil | LOL, yeah.... | 11:39 |
| w00t | Gallery sets QML into that window's scene | 11:39 |
| * faenil bangs his head | 11:39 | |
| * faenil does it multiple times | 11:40 | |
| w00t | it works similarly with lipstick: HomeApplication has a physical window (using the hardware qpa plugin ideally), and sets QML into that | 11:40 |
| faenil | which brings me to...why does it work for components gallery? | 11:41 |
| w00t | so: when writing a compositor, you use HomeApplication.. when writing applications (out of process), you create a QQuickWindow (or some other way to create a physical window), and show it | 11:41 |
| giucam | locusf: well, that's not trivial. you'd have to make a homescreen application and use a custom private wayland protocol to let it communicate with the compositor and set up priviledged things | 11:42 |
| giucam | it'd be quite complex to do but the pros overweight the cons imho | 11:42 |
| locusf | hmm | 11:42 |
| giucam | but then, either that or drop the QQuickWindow | 11:43 |
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| faenil | dropping the qquickwindow is okay, it was me who completely forgot the view... | 11:43 |
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| sletta | if the pros outweight the cons greatly depends on scope. When building a platform, sure. For an isolated set of a controlled HS and a few well-known apps, perhaps not | 11:43 |
| locusf | yeah it works just fine without it, as the parent item is a Page | 11:44 |
| sletta | out-of-process is way more robust and tolerant to performance issues, for instance. But a lot of work :) | 11:44 |
| w00t | sletta: that's likely the sort of thing we have to look forward to after qt 5.2! :) | 11:44 |
| faenil | eheh :P | 11:44 |
| giucam | sletta: not more than having fakes client windows in lipstick imho | 11:44 |
| sletta | giucam: fake client windows which are Item elements are easy | 11:45 |
| sletta | they “just work” | 11:45 |
| faenil | w00t, so what happens in the components gallery...there's a QQuickView, and a QQuickWindow as root of the qml | 11:45 |
| giucam | put many "" there :P | 11:45 |
| faenil | and no problems there | 11:45 |
| w00t | faenil: why would you expect problems | 11:46 |
| faenil | I wouldn't, it's why I would in the homescreen case which I haven't completely got yet | 11:46 |
| * faenil reads again | 11:46 | |
| w00t | if you create a window in the homescreen case, you now have two windows | 11:46 |
| faenil | yeah, one "inside" the other | 11:47 |
| w00t | and the hardware plugin probably can't handle that gracefully or at all | 11:47 |
| faenil | ah, ok, that's it | 11:47 |
| faenil | thanks :) | 11:47 |
| sletta | w00t: looking forward to a lot of work or tolerance towards performance issues? :p | 11:49 |
| w00t | sletta: I'm looking forward to doing some long-overdue weed trimming in the area :p | 11:50 |
| stephg | w00t: kinky | 11:50 |
| faenil | ahah | 11:50 |
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| locusf | yeah its not nice to see just the compositor window | 12:31 |
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| faenil | mikkoh, is there a known bug for the occasional input lag? | 12:48 |
| faenil | it happens since update5...sometimes when I'm writing sms it only handles the touches after 2-3 secs | 12:49 |
| faenil | and all at once | 12:49 |
| faenil | as if it was busy doing something else in the meanwhile | 12:49 |
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| sledges | faenil: on nemo? didn't notice ;) | 12:54 |
| faenil | on jolal | 12:54 |
| faenil | jolla/sailfish | 12:54 |
| sledges | what's that? ;)) | 12:54 |
| faenil | #jollamobile content | 12:54 |
| faenil | ;) | 12:54 |
| sledges | ;) | 12:54 |
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| faenil | sledges, but since input changes are Nemo/Mer stuff... :p | 12:58 |
| sledges | heheh ;) | 12:58 |
| faenil | :P | 12:58 |
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| faenil | eheh | 14:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | spring ... winter :-D | 14:13 |
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| sledges | o.O | 19:01 |
| fk_lx | eh, he changed his nick on #maemo, you didn't catch up the context that was there | 19:02 |
| tbr | obviously | 19:03 |
| tbr | won't stop us poking fun at it tho | 19:03 |
| fk_lx | :) | 19:03 |
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| sledges | 21:12 < stevenelop> X-D | 19:08 |
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| sledges | stevenelop [~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg] | 19:08 |
| * sledges chuckles | 19:08 | |
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| * sledges or does he? | 19:23 | |
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