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| fsck_you | Hey, how come "export TERM=xterm-256color" does nothing to me on nemo while other commands and aliases in .bashrc work? | 10:24 |
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| faenil | o/ | 10:28 |
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| veskuh | faenil: having fun at Fosdem? | 10:31 |
| faenil | yeah :) | 10:31 |
| veskuh | No floods in Pisa can stop you :) | 10:32 |
| faenil | \o/ | 10:32 |
| faenil | we were lucky nothing happeened in the end | 10:32 |
| Morpog_ | have fun guys :) and tweet some infos from Jolla talks ;) | 10:32 |
| faenil | they closed public offices, schools,and uni! | 10:32 |
| ZogG-sailfish | veskuh | 10:33 |
| ZogG-sailfish | sup | 10:33 |
| ZogG-sailfish | it's your port of tweetian on sailfish right? | 10:33 |
| veskuh | ZogG-sailfish: yeah, and situ has done a lot too | 10:34 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | 1st of all thanks | 10:34 |
| ZogG-sailfish | can i give tips? | 10:34 |
| veskuh | Sure | 10:34 |
| ZogG-sailfish | requests i mean | 10:34 |
| ZogG-sailfish | veskuh: i would put something on tip | 10:34 |
| ZogG-sailfish | top* | 10:35 |
| ZogG-sailfish | so pulley menu is akways there | 10:35 |
| ZogG-sailfish | so there is no need to go to all the top to tweet | 10:35 |
| ZogG-sailfish | maybe even take out tweet button there. | 10:36 |
| ZogG-sailfish | and as well you can put actions under tweet after long press | 10:36 |
| veskuh | that is coming | 10:36 |
| ZogG-sailfish | as now i need to go into tweet to reply/retweet | 10:36 |
| veskuh | so the long ta | 10:36 |
| Morpog_ | ZogG-sailfish, see open issues ;) | 10:36 |
| ZogG-sailfish | awesome | 10:37 |
| veskuh | pulley menu change is more controversial. | 10:37 |
| ZogG-sailfish | Morpog_: ok | 10:37 |
| ZogG-sailfish | veskuh: what do you mean? | 10:37 |
| veskuh | Its a bit annoying if you need to start pulling from certain part of screen | 10:38 |
| veskuh | and if I only put small bar on top. hitting that is not so easy. | 10:38 |
| veskuh | so currently we have a shortcut to get on top by pressing the tab | 10:38 |
| veskuh | and we are considering adding the quick scroll indicators like Communi | 10:39 |
| ZogG-sailfish | yeah | 10:40 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i know | 10:40 |
| ZogG-sailfish | but it still annoying as i need to jump to top but never can get back to same place i was before | 10:41 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i may read tweets | 10:41 |
| ZogG-sailfish | and in middle woukd want to tweet | 10:41 |
| ZogG-sailfish | after that i want to continue reading | 10:42 |
| Morpog_ | normally you anser or retweet in such a situation, or? | 10:42 |
| Morpog_ | long press actions should help there | 10:42 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | i any client tweeter the writing new tweet is a fastest shortcuts of all | 10:43 |
| ZogG-sailfish | and it's coz mainly it's apps to tweet ;) | 10:43 |
| veskuh | ZogG-sailfish: yeah, I see your point. Bad workaround would be to go to home and create new tweet from cover. | 10:44 |
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| Morpog_ | i got a better idea! | 10:45 |
| Morpog_ | add a pulley under the tabs | 10:45 |
| ZogG-sailfish | veskuh: yeah, but it's too long | 10:45 |
| Morpog_ | with new tweet and go to top | 10:45 |
| ZogG-sailfish | Morpog_: can be nice actually | 10:45 |
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| veskuh | Morpog_: yeah, we can try that | 10:45 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i think pulleys should not be single way of menus system wide though | 10:46 |
| Morpog_ | i open an isseu for tracking | 10:46 |
| veskuh | cool | 10:46 |
| ZogG-sailfish | as well yiu can add swipe right left for actions instead of switching views | 10:46 |
| Morpog_ | nah, swithing views is great und the unique feature of tweetian on all platforms | 10:49 |
| ZogG-sailfish | to be fair i liked rocket more | 10:56 |
| Morpog_ | rocket was great because of feed integration | 10:57 |
| veskuh | I never tried that. Hopefully somebody ports that too. More the merrier. | 10:58 |
| ZogG-sailfish | few prople have access to code | 11:01 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | so maybe basil(from openrepos) would port | 11:05 |
| ZogG-sailfish | he has access | 11:05 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i think he pushed updates to n9 version | 11:05 |
| Morpog_ | I guess veskuh has enough work with tweetian :) | 11:05 |
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| veskuh | Morpog_: yeah, and I'd like to do google maps client and feedly client too, but too little time :) | 11:06 |
| ZogG-sailfish | Morpog_: oh, not meant instead | 11:06 |
| ZogG-sailfish | it's good to have few apps | 11:06 |
| ZogG-sailfish | alternatives are always good | 11:06 |
| veskuh | yep | 11:07 |
| ZogG-sailfish | as people's needs and tastes are differ | 11:07 |
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| wazd | heya people :) | 11:50 |
| faenil | o/ | 11:50 |
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| filippz | krnlyng: ping | 12:14 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | \o | 12:59 |
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| sledges | \hoy/ | 13:27 |
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| sledges | RzR: nemo meetup after carsten's talk? :) | 13:38 |
| sledges | like last year | 13:39 |
| sledges | can't see rcg, he didn't make it seems | 13:39 |
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| tbr | sledges: I think RzR has his talk after carsten, that's why I proposed the roundtable for 30min later. | 13:40 |
| sledges | tbr: rountable 19:30 rite? | 13:40 |
| tbr | sledges: 1630 round-table, 1930 community dinner | 13:41 |
| sledges | tbr: great stuff! | 13:41 |
| sledges | big thanks for organising btw | 13:41 |
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| tbr | the latter is down-town at "À la Mort Subite" | 13:42 |
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| tbr | "To the sudden death" | 13:43 |
| tbr | yes, their beers are that good. ;) | 13:43 |
| sledges | :D so i wasn't too off with translating this to lbt_away , you should have seen his face (food was the context though ;) | 13:44 |
| wazd | ooh, can someone put Carsten a beer for me please? :D | 13:45 |
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| alterego | I'll try | 13:46 |
| wazd | awesome :) | 13:46 |
| sledges | yesterday he was refusing/doing the opposite :)) | 13:46 |
| alterego | Yeah, apparently he wanted an "early" night or something. | 13:46 |
| sledges | will be sudden death tonight then, we'll take care of it wazd | 13:47 |
| tbr | mhrhr | 13:48 |
| wazd | \o/ | 13:49 |
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| alterego | As long as we don't end up singing chumbawumba again I don't mind. | 13:51 |
| sledges | xD "I don't remember" | 13:55 |
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| alterego | Just because _you_ don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen. | 14:01 |
| sledges | stays in fosdem | 14:02 |
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| alterego | Heh | 14:04 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | geez | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you guys are lucky | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tbr: will you "stream" the roundtable here ? | 14:50 |
| ZogG-sailfish | Sfiet_Konstantin: hey | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG-sailfish: ZogG ... Sailfish :D | 14:51 |
| ZogG-sailfish | Sfiet_Konstantin: ? | 14:51 |
| ZogG-sailfish | it's client on jolla | 14:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 14:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I know, just that you have your device now | 14:51 |
| ZogG-sailfish | yeah :\ | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not totaly satisfied for what I have seen on twitter | 14:53 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | same as i said before i got thr device | 14:54 |
| ZogG-sailfish | Sfiet_Konstantin: u had mission 4 me | 14:55 |
| ZogG-sailfish | haven't you? | 14:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG-sailfish: ah yeah :) | 14:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so, want an introduction to Nemo ? | 14:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or it is ok ? | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | is it | 14:57 |
| ZogG-sailfish | it is | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 14:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | do you know a bit / a lot / not at all about QML / C++ ? | 14:58 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i have some | 14:59 |
| ZogG-sailfish | little bit | 14:59 |
| ZogG-sailfish | all of those ;) | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG-sailfish: do you have the sailfish SDK installed ? | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | since you have a sailfish device it is a good "training" for QML and afterwards, C++ | 15:01 |
| ZogG-sailfish | nope | 15:01 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i havr qtcreator | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so 2 choices: either you can start building small apps in sailfish silica | 15:01 |
| ZogG-sailfish | have* | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or directly, you hack on nemo components | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the second might be quite tough if you don't have QML knowledge | 15:01 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i have littlr bit | 15:02 |
| ZogG-sailfish | really not that much | 15:02 |
| ZogG-sailfish | but that's the point | 15:02 |
| ZogG-sailfish | to learn | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of course | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so IMO, better practice with a "stable" SDK | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (sailfish for example) | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and then go on hacking the components themselves | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I would recommand you to install sailfish SDK (if you manage to do it), and build a small app | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for example an RSS app | 15:03 |
| ZogG-sailfish | meh | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't make it complicated, if you can display a RSS feed, it is ok | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't like RSS apps ? | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what do you like ? :D | 15:03 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | the point not in buikding sailfish apps | 15:03 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i would like to support nemo | 15:04 |
| artemma | ZogG-sailfish: you don't have to use any Silica components, use just Rectangles | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG-sailfish: the point is practice | 15:04 |
| artemma | ZogG-sailfish: Sailfish SDK makes just.. an integrated SDK + a device where to run stuff | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | alright, no sailfish ? then build an rss app with only Qt 5 and QtCreator | 15:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :p | 15:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | more painful, same result, pracice | 15:05 |
| artemma | Sailfish SDK is still better if you want to learn nemo as.. it has nemo stuff there :) | 15:05 |
| artemma | hmm.. | 15:05 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: +1 | 15:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but first, for some QML, he might be right, the Sailfish SDK is heavy, and for practicing QML you don't need it | 15:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | simple Qt 5 + QQC is enough | 15:06 |
| * artemma thinks that if Sailfish is so close to nemo, could nemomobile project possibly make a single click installer for Nemo SDK. You know, just same as Sailfish, but without Sailfish packages | 15:06 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: can be done indeed. Just use mer SDK VBox as a basis | 15:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but just need people to do it | 15:07 |
| artemma | yeah, I guess only real clients for nemo are Jolla ppl anyway | 15:07 |
| artemma | beyond that it's few enthusiasts only | 15:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG-sailfish: your choice: the goal is to get your hands dirty, and practice some QML, that's all | 15:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: right now | 15:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: my dream is that nemo matures enough to be considered as an update path for N9(00) | 15:07 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: sure nemomobile would be a great base for the likes of HTC if they ever decide to break off Android | 15:08 |
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| artemma | N9 people are dying. N900…. can we reall y talk of them beyond hard core fans? | 15:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: N9 people are dying, maybe but N9 is a good phone | 15:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | my gf is still using it, and it lacks of some refresh | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | anyway, Nemo is also a lab | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | to see if you can make a fully oss phone | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | as a small community etc | 15:09 |
| * artemma is sorry to admit he has two N9s lying in front of him not touched for a year at least. Browser was the most weak unacceptable point | 15:09 | |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin too | 15:09 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however gf likes N9 | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | small, practical, rather ok for daily use | 15:10 |
| * artemma wishes all the luck to Nemo. Just think that it only has real future if you manage to sustain long enough for the interest of likes of HTC. Just like linux was, you know | 15:10 | |
| artemma | or maybe Jolla interest will be enough for survival | 15:10 |
| Yaniel | I was just going to say about that | 15:11 |
| Yaniel | nemo has an existing "adaptation" | 15:11 |
| * artemma has yet to see open source project with at least an OK UI/UX without a business behind it | 15:11 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: I have high hopes about Carsten's initiative about OSS + Jolla | 15:11 |
| Yaniel | to show its potential in commercial things | 15:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in the etherpad I have raised the issue about Nemo ... Let's see how it goes | 15:12 |
| Yaniel | and the UI/UX thing is probably the curse of OSS, since most people are just geeks who want to get stuff to work | 15:13 |
| Yaniel | and the rest don't care enough to participate | 15:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: in Nemo there are nice UI designers | 15:13 |
| Yaniel | good for nemo | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | + hackers caring about UI | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | just saying that it does not usually go that way | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I have to admit that sometimes, our designers are making our life hard | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | at least has not so far | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this focus on ui is recent btw | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and this is nice | 15:14 |
| Yaniel | there needs to be a balance in the focus between ui and backend | 15:15 |
| * artemma hates when his Jolla freezes down every now and then. Hopefully Nemo will have some protection againt UI freeze on a system level | 15:15 | |
| Yaniel | I at least value reliability & funcctionality very highly | 15:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: freezes ? | 15:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | ha | 15:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | my jolla hanged up | 15:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: freezes is not about anuything | 15:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is about Qt | 15:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: :( | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | with app under main screen | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's tweetian under | 15:16 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: haven't seen much after last update, so maybe it's better now. Before there were many clear points when phone was just reacting w-a-ay later | 15:16 |
| artemma | most notably on every network reconnection it was freezing for a second or two | 15:16 |
| artemma | and before last update it was reconnecting very-very often | 15:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: mind pinging some sailors about your bug | 15:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I remember about this | 15:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: yeah | 15:17 |
| artemma | what's particularly sad it was often trying to reconnect right after device unlock | 15:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't know why network make ui freeze | 15:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I hope that the network bug will be fixed asap | 15:17 |
| * artemma thinks even scrolling in Android apps (e.g. instagram) became more responsive since last update Will see if it's a fluctuation or real | 15:18 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: not gonna happen. they create bugtracker i would report bugs | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: :D | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | geez | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: go together | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: there was an update of aliendalvik iirc | 15:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sfiet_Konstantin: 1st) not bug trackr | 15:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: yeah | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I know | 15:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | 2) ui saw they close thred without actual answer | 15:21 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ZogG_laptop: I'm not following together much these days: too much flood | 15:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 15:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's the 3rd | 15:21 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil @ fosdem: did the roundtable started / finished ? | 15:25 |
| faenil | starting in 5mins ;) | 15:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: stream ? :D | 15:26 |
| faenil | no idea, probably not? | 15:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: :( | 15:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | irc stream ? | 15:27 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: pong | 17:33 |
| ZogG-sailfish | krnlyng: sup | 17:39 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | everyone is busy with #fosdem i see | 17:49 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | piggz ;) | 17:54 |
| ZogG-sailfish | howdy | 17:54 |
| piggz | lo ZogG-sailfish | 17:56 |
| ZogG-sailfish | lo? | 17:56 |
| piggz | my sailfish is broken .. so im implementing android iap | 17:57 |
| ZogG-sailfish | lo you too | 17:57 |
| ZogG-sailfish | broken how? | 17:57 |
| piggz | lo == 'ell' 'o' ;) | 17:57 |
| ZogG-sailfish | oh | 17:57 |
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| piggz | i updated to 10.3.8 and it is stuck in a reboot loop | 17:58 |
| piggz | havnt had time to debug t yet | 17:58 |
| ZogG-sailfish | did you try recover? | 17:58 |
| piggz | tried nothing yet (this is n950) | 17:58 |
| ZogG-sailfish | oh | 18:06 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i got the device | 18:06 |
| ZogG-sailfish | though i still have n950 with. i maybe should update it | 18:07 |
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| krnlyng | hi ZogG-sailfish ^^ | 18:14 |
| ZogG-sailfish | hello | 18:15 |
| ZogG-sailfish | what's new? | 18:15 |
| ZogG-sailfish | what ae u hacking now? | 18:15 |
| krnlyng | not much here | 18:15 |
| ZogG-sailfish | are* | 18:16 |
| krnlyng | mupen64plus for sailfish | 18:16 |
| ZogG-sailfish | ;) | 18:16 |
| krnlyng | and you? | 18:17 |
| ZogG-sailfish | I'm good | 18:20 |
| ZogG-sailfish | doing nothing ;) | 18:20 |
| wazd | ZogG_laptop o/ | 18:24 |
| wazd | ZogG-sailfish: hows your brand new phone? :) | 18:25 |
| ZogG-sailfish | wazd meh | 18:26 |
| ZogG-sailfish | new toy, but not that exciting | 18:26 |
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| ZogG_laptop | wazd: so what about your plan? | 19:16 |
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| krnlyng | ZogG_laptop: did you get yourself a jolla? | 19:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | krnlyng: i was one of preordering in first wave, why? | 19:23 |
| krnlyng | <ZogG-sailfish> new toy, but not that exciting | 19:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | yes i sai that | 19:24 |
| krnlyng | don't you like it :O? | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | i had excitment with n900 as first mobile linux computer that can calli was excited with n9 as of more enduser prove of concept of linux mobile system | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | here is just an other platform | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | with different UI | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | it i partly androidish in my opinion and UX is outsmarted. some places it should be simpler but more useful | 19:26 |
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| gnugat | Hello! I just wanted to ask how free is Nemo? Does it have any proprietary blobs in the kernel? Etc. Thanks. | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | nemo does not | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | but the underlying hw adaptation may | 20:13 |
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| gnugat | Yaniel: What do you mean? | 20:17 |
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| Yaniel | that nemo is not the whole deal | 20:26 |
| gnugat | Yaniel: You mean like how some builds of it might include nonfree firmware? | 20:26 |
| Yaniel | nemo is just the middleware | 20:27 |
| gnugat | Explain | 20:27 |
| Yaniel | http://merproject.org | 20:27 |
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| Yaniel | and the availability of opensource drivers for SoCs is really bad | 20:28 |
| gnugat | SoC? | 20:28 |
| Yaniel | system on chip | 20:29 |
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