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| artemma | special: works fine, thanks! And actually seems to be a little faster than using invoker and shell. Is shell creation taking really noticeable amount of time? | 00:04 |
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| wazd_ | Moaning people, how's CES? | 06:09 |
| wazd_ | VDVsx o/ | 06:10 |
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| wazd_ | VDVsx aren't you in Vegas? :) | 06:37 |
| VDVsx | wazd_, I wish :D, for sure better than here, -17c bruhhhhh | 06:38 |
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| ZogG_laptop | wazd_: you wanted to send me noob task : | 06:48 |
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| rcg | \o/ | 10:01 |
| fk_lx | rcg: ah what an enthusiasm | 10:02 |
| fk_lx | rcg: hi there ;-) | 10:02 |
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| faenil | qwazix, so, do you confirm that the header should shrink app's viewport when opened? | 10:55 |
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| faenil | (suggested answer: no :D) | 10:55 |
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| faenil | qwazix, and also, what happens for example when you have a listview in landscape and you shrink its width? | 12:23 |
| faenil | (by opening the drawer) | 12:23 |
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| alterego | Right, shower time. | 12:34 |
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| faenil | anyone wants to discuss about header? :) | 15:10 |
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| qwazix | faenil, my opinion is yes, the header should shrink the viewport. The developer must take care that his list works okay when shrunk, or avoid placing a drawer there. If we have performance issues we can do a fake animation like window resize on ubuntu (resize a semitransparent rectangle and then re-arrange immediately once the user releases) | 16:31 |
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| faenil | mm :/ okay, it's the nth time we discuss this, so I'll just do as you say :) | 16:32 |
| faenil | qwazix, do you agree that if the drawer is shown in portrait then it's also shown in landscape? | 16:33 |
| faenil | I mean, that's up to the dev to hide it when not needed | 16:34 |
| qwazix | yep, agreed | 16:35 |
| faenil | oki | 16:35 |
| faenil | qwazix, what about items inside the drawer, should we provide a "DrawerItem" or something for the common case? | 16:35 |
| faenil | if so, specs needed :p | 16:36 |
| qwazix | drawerItem? hadn't you already implemented something like that? | 16:37 |
| faenil | qwazix, I mean like a ListItem | 16:38 |
| faenil | I have the header with the drawer logic | 16:38 |
| faenil | but there is no auxiliary qml element for what to put inside the drawer | 16:38 |
| faenil | as it's not in the specs | 16:38 |
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| qwazix | hmm, what do you think? I'm inclined to say no, but if there is a good reason why not | 16:39 |
| faenil | not sure | 16:40 |
| faenil | in any case I think it would just be an Item with predefined paddings | 16:40 |
| faenil | as that's all we can predict about the dev will do with it :) | 16:40 |
| qwazix | yep +1 to predefined paddings. I see that sailfish has this problem. Devs go and stick elements to the edges of the screen => ugly | 16:41 |
| faenil | qwazix, ok so we should provide a container | 16:41 |
| faenil | qwazix, specs :) | 16:41 |
| qwazix | okay | 16:42 |
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| faenil | I still think having the page pop arrow at top left is not a clever idea when you use it on mobiles | 16:50 |
| faenil | it will get annoying imho, because you always have to stretch your thumb to reach it.. | 16:50 |
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| sledges | that's what venemo said the other day too on here | 16:52 |
| faenil | oh :) | 16:54 |
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| alterego | I like bottom left like Harmattan | 17:11 |
| faenil | alterego, yes, close to your thumb | 17:11 |
| alterego | Not good for lefties though | 17:11 |
| faenil | alterego, I'm one of those :p | 17:11 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:11 |
| alterego | You'd be fine with top left then :P | 17:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what about putting header on the bottom | 17:12 |
| faenil | no, it's still not doable with 4.5"+ displays | 17:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so it is actually a footer | 17:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | \o/ everybody ! | 17:12 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, hello | 17:12 |
| alterego | Actually yeah, that's pretty awkward still. | 17:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | think: WP footer toolbar, with the sort of pulley menu | 17:12 |
| alterego | I wonder what a more vertical based interface would be like. | 17:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and what about configurable position for the back button ? :) | 17:12 |
| alterego | Where the pages go up/down rather than left/right | 17:12 |
| faenil | alterego, I did that in my first Qt app :D | 17:13 |
| alterego | Could use shaders and have a swipe gesture from the edges, that "peels" the pages from where ever. | 17:13 |
| faenil | basically you had a matrix of pages, you could go both up/down and left/right :D | 17:13 |
| alterego | As long as it's a side. | 17:14 |
| alterego | Then maybe use swipe up or down to go home. | 17:14 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :O | 17:14 |
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| faenil | I wonder if qwazix is still reading :D | 17:15 |
| sledges | i offered to make browser nav bar at the bottom, but qwazix didn't like | 17:16 |
| sledges | he said it clashes with context/content-rollers iirc | 17:17 |
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| alterego | faenil: I think liqbase had something like that | 17:17 |
| sledges | instead he went for something pullable -- i.e. pull as much as you like until you can reach without thumb stretch | 17:17 |
| faenil | mm? | 17:18 |
| * sledges still wants to see that in actual practice :) | 17:18 | |
| faenil | :D | 17:18 |
| alterego | I might have a play with shader page transition effects. | 17:23 |
| alterego | I guess it's a bit close to BB10 though, though there's is a bit of a cheap fade. | 17:23 |
| faenil | what is close to bb10? | 17:24 |
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| alterego | Having a page peel effect. BB10 has something like that iirc. | 17:27 |
| alterego | But it's not a peel, just kinda fades in at odd angles. | 17:27 |
| qwazix | I'm not super happy with the back button either. But I've yet to see a soluction that doesn't require to lose a full-width rectangle of realestate | 17:27 |
| alterego | I like how sailfish does it, though I sometimes think the "dots" should be at the bottom. | 17:28 |
| qwazix | I think qml has a severe problem with nested flickables, and it is manifested a great deal in sailfish. Despite the amazing qml written by sailors, qml still mixes up vertical with horizontal swipes quite a lot. | 17:30 |
| qwazix | Still, I'm listening for suggestions for the back button as long as it works always and doesn't introduce a new toolbar. | 17:32 |
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| faenil | qwazix, what about header? do you think it's usable with those big displays ? | 17:37 |
| faenil | header drawer | 17:37 |
| faenil | this indecision makes me want to stop working on glacier :p | 17:39 |
| situ | Tried to boot latest nemo image from http://images.formeego.org/virtual-x86/nemo/nemoWayland-20131030.vdi | 17:41 |
| situ | it gives me a grey screen. | 17:41 |
| faenil | situ, did you follow the instructions | 17:42 |
| situ | you mean the opaqueme fix ? | 17:43 |
| faenil | situ, I think there's a vboxmanage command to run | 17:43 |
| faenil | sledges, isn't that vboxmanage command needed? | 17:44 |
| situ | Not listed here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i486-vm | 17:44 |
| sledges | situ: vm-wayland wiki page | 17:44 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 17:44 |
| faenil | ah ok, it's still my tutorial | 17:44 |
| sledges | (reachable from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#VirtualBox ) | 17:44 |
| sledges | faenil: yes :) | 17:44 |
| faenil | sledges, worth putting a link to it from the download section? | 17:45 |
| sledges | go on ;) | 17:45 |
| faenil | nah, don't know :D | 17:45 |
| qwazix | faenil, I acknowledge that big screens have induced thumb-stretching but what can we do? something should go up there. We could swap the header with content but not all apps are scrollable lists. When trying to be productive, the content IMO is more important than the toolbar, thus should be in a more accessible place | 17:46 |
| faenil | qwazix, imho we can avoid putting interactive controls in the upper part of the screen, that's what we can do :) | 17:47 |
| qwazix | and put what? | 17:47 |
| faenil | something like what was suggested, move header to footer | 17:48 |
| qwazix | Then we give more importance to the tools than the content of our app. Think about apps that have a canvas, spreadsheets, documents, drawings, photo editing | 17:49 |
| qwazix | you'll have an open drawer with your tools right where you should have your content to edit | 17:49 |
| faenil | qwazix, I disagree, I don't see how moving your eyes a bit up would be a problem | 17:50 |
| faenil | vs stretching your thumb and changing hold of the phone every time you want to do something | 17:50 |
| situ | faenil: http://pastie.org/8661042 | 17:51 |
| faenil | iso?? | 17:51 |
| qwazix | faenil, please stop thinking about a twitter app. When you are in any app that is not list-based, the majority of interactions are with your canvas, not the toolbar | 17:51 |
| situ | actually it's a vdi image, it shouldn't be used as iso | 17:52 |
| situ | I think this instruction is outdated then " After downloading change the extension of the image from .img to .iso and start VirtualBox. " | 17:52 |
| sledges | situ: | 17:52 |
| sledges | NOTE: YOU DON'T NEED THE "Finalizing the installation" step. Also, you don't have any .iso to set, instead go to | 17:53 |
| sledges | from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 17:53 |
| qwazix | "every time you want to do something" can be translated to "change position of the cursor" or "draw on screen" or "change active cell" | 17:53 |
| qwazix | would you prefer to stretch your thumb to do the above instead of, say Bold or Undo? | 17:54 |
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| faenil | qwazix, you should also compare how many apps are list based vs how many are not | 17:54 |
| qwazix | faenil, it depends on the platform | 17:54 |
| faenil | does it? | 17:55 |
| qwazix | sailfish for example only allows for list based apps | 17:55 |
| faenil | I'm inclined to say most of apps are scrolling based on mobiles | 17:55 |
| qwazix | and we can change this | 17:55 |
| faenil | there are not many canvas based apps the way you mean it | 17:55 |
| faenil | what is the reason? | 17:55 |
| qwazix | I think that the reasons are that the canvas apps are harder to create, list based apps are mostly website adaptations | 17:56 |
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| qwazix | As mobile platforms go forward, and responsive web design evolves, the need for one-app-for-each website will dwindle. On iphones people are already used to having apps that do things. | 17:57 |
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| qwazix | and doing things requires a canvas | 17:58 |
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| qwazix | You are right that most apps are list-based. But are they the apps that really matter? Do those apps have many controls that would need a dock anyway? | 18:00 |
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| qwazix | On the other hand putting the dock on the bottom edge allows us to hide it completely and use swipe from bottom to show it | 18:01 |
| faenil | so let's see, which are the apps that matter? | 18:01 |
| faenil | social apps --> all list based | 18:01 |
| faenil | then, what do people use? | 18:01 |
| qwazix | re: social apps, the header will probably be tabbed, so no actions to click anyway | 18:02 |
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| faenil | qwazix, yes but you're forgetting the precious go back arrow, which is in the header | 18:03 |
| qwazix | and what actions do you actually do that do not involve clicking on a friend/update or generally something inside the list? | 18:03 |
| faenil | going back :p | 18:04 |
| qwazix | faenil, do you think it would work if we just moved the header to the bottom, as a whole? | 18:04 |
| faenil | yes, if it doesn't shrink the view | 18:05 |
| faenil | and maybe we hide it in some clever way | 18:05 |
| faenil | or even without hiding it | 18:05 |
| faenil | since then it would be too many steps to do something in the header | 18:05 |
| qwazix | while I'm willing to discuss header position, I'm adamant about the possibility of having the header open and continue working (i.e. shrinking) | 18:06 |
| faenil | but that's what causes the issues you were talking about, shrinking.. | 18:07 |
| qwazix | I'm sure it will provide much more productivity to the user, and will allow us to enter the tablet world more easily, instead of just having a huge phone interface | 18:07 |
| faenil | okay | 18:07 |
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| qwazix | what about the title text? is it out of place at the bottom? | 18:09 |
| faenil | no? | 18:10 |
| qwazix | I'm not sure, at first it sounds weird to have the name of the view at the bottom, but on the other hand why not | 18:10 |
| faenil | :D | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC | I kinda like the ide | 18:11 |
| Morpog_PC | idea | 18:11 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC, which one? | 18:13 |
| Morpog_PC | header at bottom | 18:13 |
| faenil | let's see if wazd comes alive | 18:14 |
| faenil | and see what he thinks as well | 18:14 |
| faenil | fk_lx must be idle | 18:15 |
| faenil | situ, oh, I've never used an iso, afair | 18:17 |
| faenil | (sorry I missed your earlier msg) | 18:18 |
| situ | Still no luck with bootimg VM. | 18:18 |
| situ | I am stuck on the grey window. | 18:18 |
| faenil | situ, did you run that command using the name of your vm? | 18:20 |
| situ | which one ? | 18:20 |
| faenil | vboxmanage blabla | 18:20 |
| sledges | SetVideoBlaBla | 18:20 |
| sledges | :) | 18:20 |
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| situ | Ohh right | 18:22 |
| situ | I missed that command. | 18:22 |
| situ | It's running now. | 18:22 |
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| sledges | \o/ | 18:31 |
| situ | Looking nice. It has improved a lot since the last time I used nemo. | 18:32 |
| faenil | situ, have you updated? | 18:33 |
| faenil | packages etc | 18:33 |
| situ | Not yet. | 18:33 |
| situ | I just fixed the trasparency issue. | 18:33 |
| faenil | ok | 18:33 |
| situ | Running zypper up now | 18:34 |
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| faenil | lol | 18:46 |
| faenil | bbl | 18:46 |
| faenil | qwazix, let me know your final feelings :D | 18:46 |
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| faenil | back | 19:49 |
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| ZogG_laptop | just read news on russian linux site with sledges video | 19:54 |
| faenil | cool :) | 19:58 |
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| jet247 | Hi all, I'm having a bit of trouble with the partitions on an N950, I'm following the Mer Wiki but my exact issue doesn't seem to be there, can anyone help? | 22:29 |
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| faenil | jet247, sledges usually can help with that, but he's probably not active atm, I suggest to try again tomorrow ;) | 22:30 |
| sledges | active active ;P | 22:33 |
| sledges | jet247: fire away ;) | 22:33 |
| * faenil shoots sledges | 22:33 | |
| faenil | :D | 22:33 |
| * sledges dead X_x | 22:33 | |
| * sledges ' ghost: ok, where were we? | 22:34 | |
| jet247 | Hi Sledges, I've managed to telnet into the N950 to see whats up with the partitions and it seems that i have 3, rather than 4 (?) and it gives two of the same errors - Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary and Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary | 22:34 |
| sledges | jet247: boundary endings are not errors | 22:34 |
| sledges | what partitions are there? | 22:34 |
| sledges | 1 2 3 ? | 22:35 |
| jet247 | Yeah it shows 1, 2, 3 | 22:35 |
| sledges | starts and ends? | 22:35 |
| sledges | of each ;) pastee.org helps :) | 22:35 |
| jet247 | https://pastee.org/92xd7 | 22:36 |
| jet247 | cheers! | 22:36 |
| * sledges looks | 22:37 | |
| sledges | jet247: you have a case of https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Partition_2_points_to_partition_4_space | 22:39 |
| * sledges feels like a doctor for a moment | 22:39 | |
| sledges | just with different numbers | 22:39 |
| sledges | delete partition 2 | 22:40 |
| jet247 | Ah okay, that's what was getting me confused | 22:40 |
| sledges | re-create partition 2 with start 288513 end 419584 | 22:41 |
| sledges | write partiton table | 22:41 |
| sledges | moutn partition 2 and see if it's valid data first | 22:41 |
| sledges | then if it is, create partition 4: start 160513 end 288512 | 22:41 |
| jet247 | Just trying to do that now | 22:44 |
| faenil | I should get informed about these issues sooner or later :) | 22:45 |
| * sledges many times thought Äof fixing the @#§# moslo or just writing instructions how to DIY partition things | 22:46 | |
| jet247 | when I mounted partition 2 it didn't do anything is that normal? | 22:46 |
| sledges | but how do you test this - by scrubbing your device and hope partitioning to fail? :) | 22:46 |
| sledges | jet247: do ls /mnt | 22:47 |
| sledges | is data there? :) | 22:47 |
| sledges | (and yes, if mount does not output anything, that's good news in the world of linux) | 22:47 |
| jet247 | Well there's certainly a lot of data that just popped up when I did that | 22:48 |
| sledges | faenil: I also think it's the moslo kernel problem. we use kernel from rcg in moslo, but it might be braking partitioning sometimes (race condition?). but we can'Åt revert to moslo kernel because that one doesnt boot nemo :D | 22:48 |
| sledges | jet247: very very good | 22:48 |
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| faenil | sledges, ah, lol | 22:48 |
| sledges | now umount and back to fdisk | 22:48 |
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| sledges | probably we could use original moslo kernel to partition, and rcg's for all subsequent boots (or just use ubiboot) | 22:49 |
| jet247 | unmount before creating partition 4? | 22:49 |
| sledges | i think the latter is less messy | 22:49 |
| sledges | jet247: yes | 22:49 |
| sledges | faenil: yet again, all depends how much traction around n9xx will get pulled in.. | 22:50 |
| jet247 | This may sound slightly obvious but is that 1s /unmount? (learning as I go!) | 22:50 |
| sledges | umount /mnt | 22:51 |
| faenil | sledges, yeah.. | 22:51 |
| sledges | type less, execute many :) | 22:51 |
| jet247 | when i've gone to create partition 4, it says that 160513 is already allocated? | 22:52 |
| sledges | jet247: what's the layout currently? | 22:52 |
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| jet247 | it seems to have gone back to what it was before? | 22:54 |
| jet247 | https://pastee.org/68uhf | 22:54 |
| sledges | did you press 'w' to write the partitions? | 22:56 |
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| sledges | also, if it shows files under partition2 the way it is now, we better not format that yet ;) | 22:57 |
| jet247 | Ah no i didn't, I've gone and redone the deletion on partition 2 and added partition 4 in and it's let me do it... I now have..... | 22:58 |
| jet247 | https://pastee.org/9z3yn | 22:58 |
| sledges | jet247: ok looks good | 22:59 |
| sledges | so have you pressed 'w' now ? | 22:59 |
| jet247 | not yet, I'm guessing I should do though? | 22:59 |
| sledges | ok | 22:59 |
| jet247 | The partition table has been altered. Calling ioctl() to re-read partition table | 23:00 |
| sledges | ok | 23:00 |
| sledges | now let's moutn partition2 | 23:00 |
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| jet247 | right okay, through mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt; ls /mnt/; umount /mnt ? | 23:01 |
| sledges | yes | 23:01 |
| sledges | you're learning fast :P | 23:02 |
| jet247 | I'm getting there :P | 23:02 |
| jet247 | right it came up with loads of purple words when I did that? | 23:02 |
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| sledges | could you paste the (no worries, no privacy issues there) | 23:03 |
| sledges | if it's like /bin /etc etc :) | 23:03 |
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| jet247 | yeah it starts with bin then dev | 23:03 |
| sledges | i know, but i need to see :P | 23:03 |
| jet247 | https://pastee.org/tzq8r | 23:03 |
| jet247 | haha :P | 23:03 |
| sledges | because partition4 might be similar | 23:04 |
| sledges | but not quite :P | 23:04 |
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| sledges | ok, let's do the partition4 now | 23:04 |
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| jet247 | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p4 on /mnt failed: Invalid argument umount: can't umount /mnt: Invalid argument | 23:05 |
| sledges | ok | 23:05 |
| sledges | perfect! | 23:05 |
| sledges | :D | 23:05 |
| jet247 | that sounds good! | 23:05 |
| sledges | and now format it ;) | 23:05 |
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| sledges | mkfs.ext4 /dev/mmcblk0p4 | 23:06 |
| sledges | if it can't find ext4 | 23:06 |
| sledges | then reboot ;) | 23:06 |
| sledges | and let's see if you can boot to harmattan | 23:06 |
| jet247 | Writing inode tables: done Creating journal (16384 blocks): done Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done | 23:07 |
| sledges | fair play ;) | 23:07 |
| sledges | so now you can quite telnet | 23:07 |
| sledges | ėuit | 23:07 |
| sledges | hmhh | 23:07 |
| sledges | quit | 23:07 |
| jet247 | that's one thing I don't actually know how to do haha | 23:07 |
| sledges | Ctrl+D | 23:07 |
| jet247 | brilliant, then unplug? | 23:08 |
| sledges | yes | 23:08 |
| sledges | and see what it writes on screen | 23:08 |
| jet247 | it said unable to write alternateOS kernal, rebooting to harmattan | 23:08 |
| sledges | good | 23:08 |
| sledges | ;) | 23:08 |
| sledges | now check if you still hava harma ;P | 23:08 |
| sledges | (if that's amongst your intentions ofc) | 23:09 |
| jet247 | I'd actually like to dualboot nitdroid and harmattan, but this was hard enough! haha | 23:09 |
| sledges | ok, so you wanna keep harma, fair play | 23:09 |
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| sledges | and fingers crosscompiled | 23:09 |
| jet247 | Yes! it worked! Thank you :D | 23:10 |
| sledges | arm | 23:10 |
| sledges | erm | 23:10 |
| sledges | :D | 23:10 |
| sledges | you want nemo, right? | 23:10 |
| sledges | :D | 23:10 |
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| faenil | LOL | 23:10 |
| * sledges *cough* *cough* | 23:10 | |
| jet247 | haha yes! | 23:10 |
| sledges | ;D | 23:10 |
| sledges | so get back to moslo! | 23:10 |
| sledges | :D | 23:10 |
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| jet247 | on my way! | 23:11 |
| sledges | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HrnWC8zBcE | 23:11 |
| jet247 | Haha didn't expect that ;) | 23:12 |
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| sledges | i can't unsee that video since days! keeps coming back that random stumbling:) | 23:13 |
| jet247 | right im back in moslo | 23:13 |
| sledges | it should've exported your fresh partition to your PC | 23:14 |
| sledges | (linux pc ;)) | 23:15 |
| sledges | or cm | 23:15 |
| sledges | vm | 23:15 |
| jet247 | I'm actually on a mac at the moment, but yeah it does seem to have done that | 23:15 |
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| sledges | well mac has notorious problems about extracting tar.gzs to ext4 | 23:16 |
| sledges | keeping ownership, permissions etc | 23:16 |
| sledges | got a linux vm handy? ;) | 23:16 |
| jet247 | I'm afraid I don't :( | 23:16 |
| sledges | time to get one :) | 23:17 |
| sledges | is all free | 23:17 |
| sledges | :) | 23:17 |
| sledges | alternatively, you can go back to harmattan | 23:17 |
| sledges | and do it from there | 23:17 |
| sledges | withinside the phone :) | 23:17 |
| faenil | isn't it enough to install tarbsd? | 23:17 |
| faenil | bsdtar sorry | 23:17 |
| jet247 | oh really? I never knew you could do it from harmattan | 23:18 |
| faenil | I've never used a MAC, fyi :D | 23:18 |
| jet247 | I'm not even sure what bsdtar is haha. Still around sledges? | 23:23 |
| * sledges nods | 23:23 | |
| sledges | faenil: also problems with rw mounting ext4s.. | 23:23 |
| sledges | sandy_locke had those | 23:24 |
| faenil | sledges, ok, remember me to stay away from that OS :D | 23:24 |
| sledges | let's not scare jet247 away | 23:24 |
| sledges | but yes | 23:24 |
| sledges | :)) | 23:24 |
| jet247 | Ah okay, how easy is it to do straight from harmattan? | 23:24 |
| faenil | :)) | 23:24 |
| sledges | jet247: quite cool | 23:25 |
| sledges | give it a shot | 23:25 |
| jet247 | I definitely won't be scared away :), without you guys I'd still have an unusable phone! | 23:25 |
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| * sledges next up in agenda, getting jet247 a nice linuxy laptop | 23:25 | |
| jet247 | Haha the way it's going.... it's definitely a possibility | 23:26 |
| sledges | freedom! | 23:26 |
| sledges | :) | 23:26 |
| * sledges hides | 23:26 | |
| jet247 | haha, i can just unplug this now can't i? even though it's loaded the rootfs | 23:26 |
| sledges | jet247: heads up - nemo is wip ;) | 23:26 |
| sledges | jet247: yes | 23:27 |
| jet247 | I'm looking forward to trying it | 23:27 |
| sledges | \o/ | 23:27 |
| faenil | ah, he's never tried nemo? | 23:28 |
| faenil | jet247, don't get your hopes high :p it's nothing close to a daily usable distro :D | 23:28 |
| sledges | but you can make calls | 23:28 |
| sledges | via terminal | 23:29 |
| faenil | ahaha | 23:29 |
| faenil | :D | 23:29 |
| sledges | :) | 23:29 |
| jet247 | haha still interesting to see and make a phone call on :P | 23:29 |
| faenil | jet247, that's the spirit! | 23:29 |
| sledges | bring it on! | 23:29 |
| faenil | jet247, we're working on a new UI, codename glacier | 23:29 |
| sledges | jet247: and is very easy to contribute back *cough* *sniff* | 23:29 |
| faenil | jet247, this is what it *will* be like, kina | 23:29 |
| faenil | kinda | 23:29 |
| faenil | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 23:29 |
| faenil | and yeah, as sledges says, it's *very awesomely* easy to contribute :D | 23:30 |
| jet247 | looking good guys! | 23:30 |
| sledges | if you like IRC that is ;P | 23:30 |
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| jet247 | how do you contribute? | 23:31 |
| sledges | well, what makes you itch? | 23:31 |
| sledges | you fix it - you scratch it :) | 23:31 |
| sledges | anything goes, testing, design, coding | 23:31 |
| sledges | poriting | 23:32 |
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| sledges | porting | 23:32 |
| jet247 | Ah okay, hmm I'll have to think of what I could contribute then | 23:32 |
| faenil | jet247, do you know Qt/QML? | 23:33 |
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| sledges | "learning new things"Â also works out | 23:33 |
| faenil | *or*, are you willing to learn | 23:33 |
| faenil | yeah | 23:33 |
| * faenil highfives sledges | 23:33 | |
| jet247 | I'm definitely willing to learn | 23:34 |
| * sledges faenil 7o | 23:34 | |
| sledges | people on this channel are here to help | 23:34 |
| sledges | so, jet247, where were we? | 23:35 |
| jet247 | booted into harmattan, ready to give nemo a go | 23:35 |
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| sledges | jet247: have you got a tar.bz/gz image ready? | 23:35 |
| sledges | with nemo | 23:36 |
| jet247 | Erm no I don't | 23:36 |
| sledges | http://images.formeego.org/n950/nemo/nemo-n950-rnd-20131206.tar.bz2 | 23:36 |
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| sledges | let's see how fast your internet is *g* | 23:36 |
| jet247 | done | 23:37 |
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| sledges | fast | 23:38 |
| jet247 | it's not bad, fibre 60meg I think, last time i checked haha | 23:38 |
| sledges | connect your phone | 23:38 |
| sledges | ;) | 23:38 |
| sledges | and choose usb mass storage | 23:38 |
| jet247 | yep done that | 23:39 |
| sledges | copy the tar.bz2 into there | 23:39 |
| sledges | straight | 23:39 |
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| jet247 | yep | 23:41 |
| sledges | launch terminal | 23:41 |
| jet247 | on the phone? | 23:42 |
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| sledges | yes | 23:42 |
| sledges | for a laugh ;) | 23:42 |
| sledges | is faster if you do from ssh, but isn't that just more fun (there wont be much typing, no worries) | 23:44 |
| jet247 | I presume to do this I've gotta do this in developer mode on the phone? | 23:44 |
| sledges | yes | 23:44 |
| faenil | good night o/ and good luck jet247 | 23:44 |
| sledges | after devel-su | 23:44 |
| jet247 | Thanks faenil! | 23:45 |
| sledges | faenil have a go/od one | 23:45 |
| jet247 | after devel-su? | 23:45 |
| faenil | thx | 23:45 |
| sledges | jet247: yes, open terminal, and write devel-su | 23:45 |
| jet247 | just installing all the extra developer bits | 23:47 |
| sledges | about time ;) | 23:47 |
| sledges | \o/ | 23:47 |
| jet247 | just restarting..... | 23:48 |
| sledges | oki | 23:48 |
| jet247 | as a side note.... any easy way to get rid of the warning on bootup? | 23:48 |
| jet247 | not that it matters that much, just thought i'd ask :) | 23:49 |
| sledges | reflash | 23:49 |
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| sledges | ;) | 23:50 |
| sledges | sorry to break the news :) | 23:50 |
| jet247 | not that simple then haha | 23:50 |
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| jet247 | right i've typed in devel-su and its asking for a password? | 23:50 |
| sledges | is fine, i never minded that nag screen :D | 23:50 |
| sledges | (hence the name) | 23:50 |
| sledges | ok so | 23:50 |
| sledges | what's your password? | 23:50 |
| sledges | :)) | 23:50 |
| jet247 | which password? haha | 23:50 |
| sledges | :)) | 23:51 |
| sledges | rootme | 23:51 |
| sledges | is your password | 23:51 |
| jet247 | ooo | 23:51 |
| jet247 | now it says busybox? | 23:51 |
| * sledges had to look that up... it's bin a while! | 23:51 | |
| sledges | jet247: good | 23:51 |
| jet247 | haha i hopefully won't forget it | 23:52 |
| sledges | and # in front? means you're r00t :D~ | 23:52 |
| jet247 | ahh yeah now it starting to make sense | 23:52 |
| jet247 | slightly haha | 23:52 |
| sledges | so | 23:53 |
| sledges | mount the 4th partition ;) | 23:53 |
| jet247 | haha which is.... through mount /dev/mmcblk0p4 /mnt; ls /mnt/; umount /mnt | 23:54 |
| jet247 | that? | 23:54 |
| sledges | qerm | 23:54 |
| sledges | erm | 23:54 |
| sledges | just the first one | 23:54 |
| jet247 | mount /dev/mmcblk0p4 /mnt | 23:54 |
| sledges | yes | 23:54 |
| jet247 | mount: permission denied (are you root?) | 23:55 |
| sledges | hmph | 23:56 |
| sledges | type | 23:56 |
| sledges | whoami | 23:56 |
| sledges | (helps | 23:56 |
| sledges | when you have identity crisis as well) | 23:56 |
| jet247 | just says root | 23:57 |
| * sledges kicks aegis | 23:57 | |
| alterego | Wow, you're still using Harmattan? ;) | 23:57 |
| jet247 | Sounds like i'm the only one still using harmattan! | 23:58 |
| alterego | The is nemo mobile .. | 23:58 |
| sledges | does `aegisctl-s` do anything?.. | 23:58 |
| jet247 | true haha, I'll give it a go | 23:58 |
| sledges | alterego: ;) he has a mac on his desk/lap ;P | 23:58 |
| sledges | so we're flashing nemo from within :) | 23:59 |
| sledges | sorry jet247 | 23:59 |
| sledges | aegisctl -s | 23:59 |
| alterego | Why not use mer sdk and virtual box? | 23:59 |
| sledges | alterego: he refused | 23:59 |
| alterego | Oh well. | 23:59 |
| sledges | and accepted when i offered to do this in harmattan | 23:59 |
| sledges | i shouldn't have :D | 23:59 |
| jet247 | I didn't refuse? haha | 23:59 |
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