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| wazd | Sunday everyone! http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6498778/crazy-finnish-music-video | 08:09 |
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| situ | Is there an explanation of whole architecture of nemomobile on wiki ? | 09:00 |
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| stephg | situ: probably not, only thing I can think of is the Jolla arch with Nemo in it, but that's probably not low level enough for you :( | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sailfishos.org ones should be good | 09:15 |
| situ | Ok, let me check it | 09:15 |
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| tbr | there were also those blog posts | 09:22 |
| tbr | by that brazilian(?) guy | 09:23 |
| sledges | argentinian | 09:24 |
| sledges | m\orning | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | morn tbr, sledges, situ | 09:24 |
| stephg | I'm having breakfast! | 09:24 |
| stephg | (I thought you'd like to know) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | and stephg | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:24 |
| situ | Morning | 09:25 |
| sledges | http://xavinux.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/nemo-mobile-structure.html | 09:25 |
| stephg | oh yeah xavinux, whatever happened to him | 09:25 |
| sledges | good memory tbr ! | 09:25 |
| tbr | :) | 09:25 |
| sledges | stephg: he is around, fixed a bug on bugzilla recently ;) | 09:25 |
| sledges | around as much as he can | 09:25 |
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| * tbr also just found that post on mer planet | 09:26 | |
| stephg | of course, just occurred to me he's not been around much lately | 09:26 |
| tbr | http://planet.devaamo.fi/mer/ | 09:26 |
| sledges | not nemo planet? :} | 09:29 |
| stephg | ooh http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/18/ntt_docomo_puts_tizen_on_hold/ | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | surprise, surprise | 09:29 |
| stephg | yup | 09:30 |
| tbr | sledges: http://planet.devaamo.fi/nemo/ is there too | 09:30 |
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| tbr | sledges: still looking for good sailfish (platform) and jolla (company/devices) blogs for those planets | 09:30 |
| sledges | tbr: can't see xavinux there :/ | 09:31 |
| tbr | hmm, weird | 09:31 |
| * sledges just put link to planet on Nemo wiki ;) | 09:31 | |
| Stskeeps | anybody here going to MWC, btw | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 09:31 |
| tbr | highly unlikely, I'm not part of our sales-droid army | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds more like a blessing than a curse | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:32 |
| sledges | good | 09:32 |
| tbr | indeed it is | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | heh, nice @ jolla booth placement | 09:32 |
| tbr | although in the jolla context I wouldn't have minded an official sales role, but that's a different can of worms | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.mwcfloorplans.com/public/floorplanpdf.aspx?showid=3000&viewid=23 | 09:33 |
| tbr | looks like you'll get most of visitor traffic, nice | 09:34 |
| stephg | cool | 09:34 |
| stephg | yeah | 09:34 |
| sledges | and in front of ntt docomo :D | 09:34 |
| sledges | sales lead right there! | 09:35 |
| wazd | assault! :) | 09:35 |
| tbr | oh, Archos is there too | 09:35 |
| sledges | ah the plasma-friendly Gs | 09:35 |
| tbr | yeah, haven't played with their most recent stuff after they switched away from OMAP though | 09:36 |
| wazd | What's up with Huawei I wonder, didn't think they have THAT much to show :) | 09:36 |
| stephg | yeah not sure they're big enough | 09:36 |
| wazd | but, maybe you need that much space to showcase modern 21" smartphones | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | heh, intel, samsung, tizen association and canonical in same hall | 09:40 |
| wazd | Somebody tell NTT to ship their awesome clamshells to the rest of the world please :) | 09:40 |
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| stephg | canonical are there? didn't see them | 09:43 |
| stephg | Stskeeps: you should be walking around with a tshirt that says "It's ok, you can thank me later" or some such ;) | 09:44 |
| situ | Big space to Huawei ? | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | stephg: fk_lx: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mwcvillagemap.pdf | 09:47 |
| stephg | aaah | 09:48 |
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| wazd | Imagine Nemo on that thing: http://j-phone.ru/Tests/nec/docomo/n05e/black/106.jpg :) | 10:01 |
| tbr | hmmm, one half as a keyboard if necessary... | 10:02 |
| wazd | yep, it works like that | 10:02 |
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| wazd | http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/qwerty.png | 10:03 |
| stephg | looks much bigger in the j-phone pic than it does in the one with the hands | 10:04 |
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| wazd | it has the size of 4.3" smartphone, 12mm thick | 10:05 |
| wazd | So I guess almost the same as Jolla phone | 10:05 |
| faenil | morning o/ | 10:09 |
| sledges | \o | 10:13 |
| wazd | heya | 10:13 |
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| faenil | wazd, can you comment on my complaints about header spec? | 10:29 |
| faenil | because I'd like to work on it, and avoid doing work which will be scratched off right afterwards :) | 10:29 |
| wazd | faenil: what exactly are your complaints? :D I'm sorry, I'm still not used to follow current development process everywhere :) Where should I look? | 10:32 |
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| faenil | wazd, there's channel log in the topic msg ;9 | 10:32 |
| faenil | ;) | 10:32 |
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| faenil | oops :D | 10:33 |
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| faenil | wazd, just noticed that all my msgs to qwazix yesterday didn't get to the web :( | 10:40 |
| wazd | welll, yeah, I guess that's why I'm confused right now :D | 10:40 |
| faenil | so, wazd qwazix I think the header spec is overcomplicated, it handles too many cases and too many usecases, which should be left to the "hacker" if he really even wants speedbump levels in landscape | 10:40 |
| wazd | You know the way to make a person feel super stupid, don't you :D | 10:40 |
| faenil | wazd, ahah :D | 10:41 |
| faenil | sorry :p | 10:41 |
| wazd | Well, in my opinion Header should act just like a header and Tabs | 10:42 |
| wazd | with parallax and sht, you know :D | 10:42 |
| wazd | cause Android solution with making header do all kinds of things is quite a complicated one | 10:43 |
| wazd | They have so many tiny hidden functions in it, it's a goddamn mess | 10:43 |
| wazd | My opinion is that user should always be introduced to everything interactive on a page. UI is not a Full Throttle game (or Monkey Island), you don't force user to pixelhunt the screen in order to find secret areas or valves, or knobs | 10:45 |
| wazd | BB10 UI is a great example for "how not to do things | 10:45 |
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| faenil | how not? bb10 is very cool.. | 10:47 |
| wazd | Many users have that complain bout Sailfish btw. Although "pulley" menus are fancy, but confusing | 10:47 |
| wazd | faenil: well, they have 4 types of menus in there | 10:47 |
| wazd | faenil: Or maybe even 5 | 10:47 |
| faenil | the header drawer is one of the main features of glacier imho | 10:48 |
| faenil | if you feel like discussing that, then I'll stop doing whatever I wanted to do and wait for you and qwazix to sort it out ;) | 10:48 |
| wazd | No, I'm not interrupting any development for christ sake :D | 10:49 |
| wazd | It's just my opinion on the matter, that's all | 10:49 |
| faenil | wazd, it's not a problem for me :) I just want graphics guys to their job | 10:50 |
| faenil | and that's you + qwazix + Morpog_Mobile, afair | 10:50 |
| wazd | I'm doing fancy clock according to current guidelines : | 10:51 |
| wazd | :) | 10:51 |
| wazd | That's all :) | 10:51 |
| faenil | so, discuss and decide, once you agree, pass your work to devs (me, sledges, locusf, Sfiet, etc) | 10:51 |
| faenil | wazd, but it's good to discuss with qwazix if you don't like some stuff, make it better together | 10:52 |
| faenil | wazd, I don't like silencing people :D people have to have voice :p | 10:52 |
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| wazd | Now that's the problem. When 2 different people have two completely different visions on some matter, then there should be some kind of "art director" to judge otherwise we'll be stuck in one place forever. Qwazix + Morpog have their own way with solid reasons to follow it, I'd rather help with "dirty" work of doing mechanical stuff for you guys to be occupied at last :) | 10:55 |
| wazd | Cause I have solid reasons and tons of experience for my way of thinking, and we'll end up arguing forever :D | 10:56 |
| qwazix | morn! | 10:56 |
| wazd | So right now I consider qwazix and morpog as "heads" of UI department and I'm just a "worker ant" :D | 10:57 |
| wazd | heya :) | 10:57 |
| qwazix | faenil, I didn't get your previous questions either so it wasn't only the bot that didn't get them | 10:57 |
| faenil | qwazix, yeah I wsas on train with jolla and 3g was coming and going | 10:57 |
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| qwazix | didn't we agree to leave the landscape speedbumps out though? | 10:58 |
| faenil | wazd, sure, people have different opinions in design, I'd just would like to see those to be as close as possible, not just "we're different, accept it" | 10:58 |
| faenil | qwazix, I think so, but you said spec is updated, I read it again, and they're still there :p | 10:59 |
| qwazix | "<qwazix> faenil, I think the header spec is pretty-much complete, the only thing we decided to leave out were the speedbumps in landscape mode" | 10:59 |
| faenil | qwazix, oh, I never read that :/ | 11:00 |
| qwazix | I'll remove them asap | 11:00 |
| faenil | qwazix, so I guess also the vertical settings in landscape are removed | 11:00 |
| faenil | i.e layout is same as in portrait | 11:00 |
| qwazix | yep, they don't serve any purpose | 11:00 |
| faenil | qwazix, ok, good | 11:01 |
| faenil | wazd, any opinion? | 11:01 |
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| wazd | what exactly speedbumps are in terms of UI? :) | 11:03 |
| faenil | animations that brings you to a certain level of the drawer, afaik | 11:03 |
| faenil | like when you release a page halfway in a transition | 11:04 |
| wazd | oh, ok | 11:04 |
| faenil | wazd, the drawer menu will do the same, we all agree it's better with speedbumps, I think :) | 11:05 |
| faenil | but you have many levels, which are dev customizable | 11:05 |
| faenil | so when the user opens the drawer, when he releases his finger, the drawer will animated to the closer "level" top | 11:05 |
| qwazix | wazd, imagine the sailfish pulley but being able to leave it open at several stages | 11:05 |
| qwazix | faenil said it better than me | 11:06 |
| qwazix | :) | 11:06 |
| faenil | where stage could be more than one item :) | 11:06 |
| faenil | qwazix, :) | 11:06 |
| wazd | we call it "closer" in here :) | 11:06 |
| faenil | but I think qwazix's pic shows it better than all of it | 11:06 |
| faenil | wazd, ? | 11:07 |
| wazd | like, you know, slider closer mechanisms and stuff :) | 11:07 |
| faenil | in a slider? | 11:07 |
| wazd | like, a phone formfactor :) | 11:07 |
| faenil | sliders usually don't have those kind of animations :/ | 11:07 |
| wazd | or a clamshell | 11:07 |
| faenil | ah... ok | 11:07 |
| faenil | yeah | 11:07 |
| faenil | wazd, you really don't want to talk eh? :p ok.... :D | 11:16 |
| wazd | qwazix: I have a question. Do you have time to make a quick mockup of Header behavior applied to the real app? | 11:17 |
| wazd | faenil: nope, I'm trying to figure things out :D | 11:17 |
| faenil | :D | 11:17 |
| qwazix | wazd, which app? | 11:17 |
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| wazd | qwazix: any that will demonstrate the concept broadly | 11:17 |
| qwazix | wazd, ok | 11:18 |
| wazd | lets say "OneNote clone" | 11:19 |
| wazd | or anything you like | 11:19 |
| wazd | cause current demonstrations in that .pdf file look extremely messy imo. And one more question. Is it correct that in landscape mode there will be no header label? | 11:24 |
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| locusf | wazd: yeah I'm getting bored with no specs :) | 11:43 |
| faenil | locusf, no components left to implment? :O https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier | 11:44 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Hmm, i'm some trumpet worl will unbore you locusf | 11:45 |
| Morpog_Mobile | work | 11:45 |
| Morpog_Mobile | :D | 11:45 |
| faenil | D | 11:47 |
| faenil | bbl | 11:47 |
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| locusf | argh trumpet :D | 11:53 |
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| situ | Interesting stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxOghD0A78k | 12:09 |
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| faenil | situ, it would be interesting to know what it uses to recognize the items | 13:45 |
| faenil | the rest is IR commands, afaiu | 13:46 |
| situ | hmm | 13:46 |
| wazd | photoshop :) | 13:46 |
| faenil | I mean, that's the only thing an air conditioner can understand | 13:46 |
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| faenil | unless there are wifi air conditioners nowadays | 13:46 |
| wazd | it's 2010 | 13:47 |
| faenil | yeah | 13:47 |
| wazd | i'm pretty sure that it is just a demo | 13:47 |
| faenil | wazd, mmm but then, what's the point of showing it to a conference, if you can't actually do it :/ | 13:48 |
| situ | What could be done to recognize items ? | 13:48 |
| wazd | faenil: I don't know, tell it to any other manufacturer that shows non-functional prototypes :) | 13:48 |
| faenil | wazd, yeah but they know already it can't be done, they just didn't have time to do it, at least afaik | 13:49 |
| faenil | they = manufacturers | 13:49 |
| faenil | it can* be done | 13:49 |
| wazd | Especially at 3:00, she draws exat same circles according to accelerometer/gyro data | 13:49 |
| wazd | and just looks at different things | 13:49 |
| situ | Have you guys read writings of Mark Weiser ? | 13:51 |
| faenil | nope | 13:51 |
| situ | http://www.ubiq.com/hypertext/weiser/SciAmDraft3.html | 13:52 |
| wazd | I'm pretty sure that it's more realistic to control all these thing with your thoughts nowadays than like this :D | 13:52 |
| faenil | aahah | 13:53 |
| wazd | I mean really, it is :D | 13:53 |
| wazd | except for analog actions like "cursor moving" | 13:53 |
| situ | or may be through voice | 13:54 |
| situ | :P | 13:54 |
| faenil | wazd, yeah I know, those tools you train to react on your actions are awesome :) | 13:54 |
| wazd | add superhighres eye tracking to camera built into TV and voi la | 13:55 |
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| faenil | wazd, situ spend 10 minutes on this, it's worth it http://www.ted.com/talks/tan_le_a_headset_that_reads_your_brainwaves.html | 13:56 |
| * situ starts watching | 13:56 | |
| wazd | We should just find Hopbeat somewhere, he's the guy that knows everything bout this stuff :D | 13:56 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqEfiy_nguY | 13:57 |
| wazd | future is now, guys :) | 13:57 |
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| faenil | wazd, it's the same scanner as my video? | 14:00 |
| wazd | probably | 14:01 |
| wazd | both EEG for sure so whatever :D | 14:01 |
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| faenil | wazd, yes it's the same, http://emotiv.com/ | 14:06 |
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| Mric | hey, just wondering if someone has a recent video showing nemo running ? | 20:25 |
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| sledges | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKiGdIQraCQ | 20:47 |
| sledges | not much changed | 20:48 |
| sledges | and Mric is like a wind :) | 20:48 |
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| wazd | The username has to be between 5 and 15 characters long. | 21:37 |
| wazd | That should be my slogan ffs | 21:37 |
| faenil | wazd, ? :D | 21:43 |
| faenil | websites against you? :D | 21:43 |
| wazd | I've tried to register at the OpenRepos | 21:43 |
| wazd | That's kinda even worse | 21:44 |
| wazd | what's the god damned defference between 4 character username and bloody 5 character username? | 21:44 |
| wazd | Maybe I'm just a lousy designer that don't understand? | 21:45 |
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| faenil | coderus, there's always stuff to code in Nemo if you're feeling sleepy :D | 22:21 |
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| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier | 22:26 |
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