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| stephg | happy friday folks | 07:05 |
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| wazd | \o/ | 07:08 |
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| iekku | same to you stephg | 07:20 |
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| faenil | morning :) | 08:50 |
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| sledges | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI | 17:41 |
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| faenil | lol | 17:43 |
| wazd | oh no, not again :D | 17:49 |
| sledges | we nearly missed it today :D | 17:50 |
| locusf | :D | 17:51 |
| wazd | wait a sec, I'll post something friday-ish related to the topic (super lame though) :D | 17:51 |
| wazd | cause I'm still struggling with Flash :D | 17:51 |
| sledges | no lamer can beat our Rebecca :)) | 17:52 |
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| wazd | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/NemoEllora.swf <- trying to visualize my UI concept for nemo :D | 17:54 |
| wazd | The goal is to record a bunch of interactions and stuff and make a small/moderate video | 17:54 |
| sledges | yup, i see your ideas there | 17:56 |
| wazd | I can probably bind some timeouts to save you from nausea :) | 17:56 |
| wazd | but since we've already seen Rebecca, then it's not an issue anymore :D | 17:56 |
| * sledges wipes the table | 17:56 | |
| * sledges twice | 17:57 | |
| sledges | wazd: I like it, but the icons on top are prone to thumb-stretching | 17:57 |
| wazd | sledges: well basically these are two panels for you to use however you like according to your current version for other platforms | 17:59 |
| wazd | of an app* | 17:59 |
| sledges | you mean, zoomed states | 17:59 |
| wazd | zoomed out, yes | 17:59 |
| wazd | and there's an option to "force" each panel to be shown in fullscreen as you can see on the bottom of the media player | 18:00 |
| sledges | do i see that? | 18:02 |
| wazd | bottom panel of the window is transparent, revealing controls in fullscreen mode | 18:02 |
| wazd | sorta kinda :D | 18:03 |
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| wazd | but that's an option for some extreme use cases like playback controls or camera shooting | 18:05 |
| sledges | so app switching is coming from ubuntu touch? | 18:05 |
| wazd | when you need immediate access to specific functionality from anywhere of the app | 18:06 |
| wazd | More like Maemo 5 :D | 18:06 |
| wazd | I've decided to use my previous "bridge" concept ( https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/PDF/bridge.png ) but switch feed to widgets :) | 18:07 |
| faenil | wazd, are you still trying to hijack glacier? :D | 18:10 |
| wazd | not at all, see, I even came up with fancy name! :D | 18:11 |
| faenil | :p | 18:11 |
| faenil | so, it took months to get a few UI components done, and now you want to start from scratch again :p | 18:11 |
| wazd | someone should work on Nemo's "wow" effect :P | 18:12 |
| sledges | nemo is a playground of innovation | 18:12 |
| wazd | Kind of concept car :) | 18:12 |
| faenil | sledges, yes but due to the low task force we can't keep changing things.. | 18:13 |
| sledges | the main direction is around glacier, but since qwazix is having the spec of homescreen only in his head, suggestions are welcome | 18:13 |
| sledges | he said he'll mock it up soon though | 18:13 |
| faenil | sledges, sure, but wazd's proposal is not a proposal of homescreen for glacier, it's his own UI | 18:13 |
| faenil | which is very different from glacier | 18:14 |
| sledges | faenil: you can pick things, and surely glacier is not hijacked, | 18:14 |
| faenil | hm? | 18:14 |
| sledges | i see it as glacier being born, then other UXs can come round (into the sandbox) | 18:14 |
| sledges | and component sets extended (or branched) | 18:15 |
| sledges | something like seadot UX living next to Mer | 18:15 |
| sledges | other UXs will live next to glacier | 18:15 |
| faenil | sledges, yes, so *first* let's do glacier, *then* we do other UX | 18:15 |
| sledges | but that's surely after glacier gains traction | 18:15 |
| faenil | we have no people to do glacier, and instead of joining forces | 18:15 |
| faenil | we're splitting | 18:15 |
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| wazd | faenil: I'm not asking to change things, consider me as a one man army and I'm not hijacking anything for sure :) | 18:15 |
| sledges | faenil: it's scratch your itch approach. if wazd wants to show what he has, let this itch happen. the direction is dictated by our design lead | 18:16 |
| faenil | wazd, I'm just trying to convince you to do something more useful for Nemo's short run :p | 18:16 |
| wazd | faenil: What's the problem with Glacier right now? Is there any work design-wise? | 18:16 |
| faenil | wazd, there are components specs | 18:16 |
| wazd | faenil: cause you can clearly see in my wonderful Flash animation the level of my coding skills :) | 18:16 |
| faenil | we're missing apps specs, so that would be one thing you could focus on, for example | 18:16 |
| faenil | wazd, :D | 18:16 |
| wazd | somewhere around ground zero :D | 18:16 |
| sledges | i would like to see glacier things developed ofc, but wazd chose to work on homescreen - we welcome everything as ideas (doesn't mean we accept into dev plan ;P) | 18:17 |
| faenil | sledges, yeah, my point is: it's great to see ideas, but better if they also use glacier components :p | 18:17 |
| faenil | since that's what we're currently working on :) | 18:17 |
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| sledges | +1 | 18:17 |
| sledges | wazd: how can we convince you to change your itch? :D | 18:18 |
| faenil | while from what I gathered so far, wazd doesn't like glacier and he's trying to convince us that something else would be better :D | 18:18 |
| * sledges not pushy enough, we're foss freetimers here anyway | 18:18 | |
| sledges | but he's just one man's army :D | 18:18 |
| wazd | and there's another tiny reason I'm working on my futuristic stuff. Right now I have no job and I was thinking to use this demo as a portfolio thing and stuff :) | 18:18 |
| faenil | not that I'm against that, it's just that it took so long to even do only few components | 18:18 |
| wazd | faenil: no, you're wrong about convincing and not liking :) | 18:19 |
| faenil | wazd, I heard this thing that when people contribute to Nemo there's a higher chance of jolla to notice him :D | 18:19 |
| sledges | and then stop contributing ;D | 18:19 |
| faenil | yeah that's the bad part, but shh | 18:20 |
| faenil | :) | 18:20 |
| faenil | oh about that, I'm cloning updated qtquickcontrols-nemo repo right now :p | 18:20 |
| * sledges will prove it wrong | 18:20 | |
| sledges | faenil: you should be studying anyway :D | 18:20 |
| faenil | sledges, no, I did an exam yesterday, give me a couple of days of break, please, will you :p | 18:20 |
| sledges | :D sure, I'm not Stskeeps :D | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | soon you'll be like me! | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:21 |
| faenil | ahaha | 18:21 |
| sledges | D: | 18:21 |
| sledges | :D | 18:21 |
| sledges | faenil: can you review PR? | 18:21 |
| sledges | of qqc | 18:21 |
| wazd | I have a great skill of walking unnoticed job-wise around different cellphone manufacturers so no worries on that side :D | 18:21 |
| faenil | I have already? | 18:22 |
| faenil | is there any new one? | 18:22 |
| sledges | whoops | 18:22 |
| * sledges checks | 18:22 | |
| wazd | alright, what app do you need to be designed? :) You got m attention :) | 18:22 |
| faenil | \o/ | 18:22 |
| sledges | \o/ | 18:22 |
| faenil | wazd, well, any? :p | 18:22 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: o/ | 18:22 |
| sledges | which app you like most first ;) | 18:22 |
| faenil | wazd, you should have a chat with Hurrian and see what he has done so far, I think he was working on apps mockups weeks ago | 18:23 |
| sledges | and sync with qwazix too (he spoke about that day or two ago) | 18:23 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, that vaguely smells like trying to get rid of me :p | 18:23 |
| sledges | who is faenil ? | 18:24 |
| wazd | I mean, is there any list or something or should I install it myself to see? :) | 18:24 |
| faenil | wazd, there's nothing organized so far for apps, we have a wiki page for UI components | 18:25 |
| faenil | wazd, but for apps, you have to talk to those guys | 18:25 |
| wazd | oki | 18:25 |
| qwazix | having a party without me? :P | 18:26 |
| sledges | \party/ | 18:27 |
| locusf | hey qwazix | 18:27 |
| wazd | woo | 18:27 |
| qwazix | I suggest working on existing apps though so that the gratification period is shorter | 18:27 |
| wazd | existing apps like | 18:27 |
| wazd | that was my question :) | 18:28 |
| qwazix | existing apps are: notes, clock, maps, contacts, dialer, pin-entry | 18:28 |
| qwazix | music, gallery | 18:28 |
| sledges | messages | 18:28 |
| faenil | 18:29 | |
| faenil | package manager | 18:29 |
| sledges | calendar | 18:29 |
| faenil | settings | 18:29 |
| sledges | filemuncher | 18:29 |
| faenil | calculator | 18:29 |
| sledges | browser O_O | 18:29 |
| faenil | we have a browser? | 18:30 |
| sledges | UI-less cutefox | 18:30 |
| qwazix | settings has a lot of background work on grog, if anybody wants to take that on | 18:30 |
| faenil | sledges, ah ok | 18:30 |
| faenil | wazd, but the most needed is probably homescreen? :D | 18:30 |
| faenil | wazd, or you could just have a look at the UI components specs and fix/complete those, changing what in your opinion needs to be changed | 18:31 |
| sledges | qwazix: maybe bitesized pieces first, and first should come a mockup->spec of an app, right? | 18:31 |
| qwazix | which is more or less in line with the sailfish settings app, layout-wise (I wonder who reads grog) | 18:31 |
| qwazix | sledges, right. | 18:32 |
| faenil | (I think we all read grog :p but I haven't in a long time) | 18:32 |
| qwazix | faenil, I'm wondering who reads grog outside of nemoers | 18:32 |
| faenil | ah :) | 18:32 |
| sledges | competitors | 18:32 |
| sledges | :D | 18:32 |
| locusf | we have competitors ? :) | 18:32 |
| sledges | not anymore | 18:33 |
| locusf | prolly not | 18:33 |
| locusf | okay | 18:33 |
| sledges | (ubuntu late, tizen coffinned) | 18:33 |
| sledges | but always stay sharp ;) | 18:33 |
| sledges | jolla is :DD | 18:34 |
| sledges | anyway, if i was a UX designer and needed fresh ideas, grog would be on my homepage | 18:35 |
| qwazix | "it is good if the various settings could be pinned either to the status menu, or the main settings screen. The long-tap function in settings does nothing, so it can be used to pin items." written 24th september 2012 | 18:37 |
| qwazix | :-) | 18:37 |
| locusf | nice :) | 18:37 |
| faenil | :D | 18:38 |
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| wazd | ook, I'll take some :) | 18:51 |
| wazd | let it be clock for starters :D | 18:53 |
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| faenil | wazd, great :) | 18:57 |
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| wazd | cause I have some nice ideas for clock/alarm :) | 18:57 |
| sledges | wazd: have you seen hurrian's clock mock? | 18:57 |
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| sledges | (just the front screen, stopwatch/timer etc will need to be thought through..) | 18:58 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FWN7J6Vfa4 | 18:58 |
| wazd | I saw that one | 18:58 |
| sledges | http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/images/QtControls.png | 18:59 |
| wazd | oh well, can I make something according to current specifications but from the ground up? :) | 19:00 |
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| sledges | glacier mockups are the guidelines. you don't have to strictly follow then, but if something goes out of place, you mockup won't be left unnoticed (from critics PoV ;)) | 19:06 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: it's like we would shout "booo, wazd, booooo" :P | 19:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup ladies and gentelmen :P | 19:10 |
| wazd | heya) | 19:10 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, o/ | 19:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: can you at least take your hat off when you talk to me :P | 19:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | this @ op thing is not polite :P | 19:15 |
| * faenil bows | 19:15 | |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: \o | 19:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: o/ | 19:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i got n810 as present today :P | 19:15 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, cool stuff :D | 19:15 |
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| sledges | yup, nice tweet ZogG_laptop | 19:45 |
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| Mriic | heya .. sledges ! | 20:05 |
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| benthorben | you guys got any ideas how to prevent the jolla from sleeping while being ssh'd into it? | 20:14 |
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| krnlyng | benthorben: quick hacky fix: do "ping google.com" on your device ;) | 20:18 |
| special | benthorben: it does not sleep while on USB. | 20:26 |
| benthorben | for me it does | 20:26 |
| special | is it connected in developer mode? | 20:26 |
| benthorben | nope, in charging mode | 20:26 |
| benthorben | trying developer mode | 20:27 |
| benthorben | nope, goes to sleep as well | 20:27 |
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| benthorben | ah, but setting a wake lock seems to work | 20:34 |
| benthorben | or so I thought | 20:36 |
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| ZogG_laptop | benthorben: thereis way to switch of sleep and as people say the battery drain not that bad | 21:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | but the real answer is to change the way it goes to sleep :P | 21:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | check TMO with word "watchdogs" | 21:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | and why ask here about it, ask at jolla chan | 21:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: faenil device is nice for jabber chats | 21:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | need to find irc client | 21:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | and buy new battery | 21:31 |
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| benthorben | I rebooted the device while it was attached to the usb charger and the problem seems to have gone away | 21:56 |
| benthorben | just got my first hello world app deployed on it \o/ | 21:56 |
| benthorben | is there documentation about the services? I need to debug my xmpp settings and the frontend isn't at all helpful | 21:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | benthorben: again, it's better to ask jolla question on jola chan or TJC or TMO | 23:55 |
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