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| * faenil is missing nemo :( | 11:20 | |
| sledges | +1 | 11:20 |
| artemma | faenil: nemo is always one flash away :) | 11:21 |
| artemma | oh.. and a couple of finished apps too maybe :) | 11:21 |
| faenil | artemma, no, we need a big effort for nemo to become something, the components are more or less stuck since I stopped working on it :( | 11:21 |
| faenil | and I'll be busy until half/end march, likely :( | 11:22 |
| * artemma always thought that nemo is mostly sort of a demo vehicle for the likes of Jolla, so the only real way forward is to find a phone manufacturer interested in backing nemo up | 11:22 | |
| faenil | locusf, Sfiet_Konstantin qwazix Morpog_Jolla do you think you'll have time relatively soon to continue the components effort? | 11:23 |
| artemma | sure, some manufacturer might decide to go 95% nemo reusing nemo apps, etc | 11:23 |
| faenil | artemma, nemo is....cool! | 11:23 |
| faenil | no business decisions, no business plans, just community | 11:23 |
| faenil | that's what makes it special | 11:23 |
| fk_lx | I disagree | 11:23 |
| fk_lx | for me Glacier UI is the community part | 11:24 |
| * artemma likes understanding the far goals | 11:24 | |
| faenil | but people don't seem to realize how cool it is :( | 11:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: yep, school project :) | 11:24 |
| faenil | fk_lx, yes, the UI I meant | 11:24 |
| fk_lx | all the rest of Nemo is taken over by Jolla | 11:24 |
| fk_lx | with plans regarding development closed inside company | 11:24 |
| artemma | faenil: how would people realize nemo is cool if there are zero phones sold with it? :) | 11:24 |
| faenil | fk_lx, false, I've never seen Jolla refusing reviewal or approving of PRs | 11:24 |
| faenil | fk_lx, and again, they have *their* dev plans, it's not nemo's | 11:25 |
| fk_lx | faenil: false, false, false | 11:25 |
| faenil | fk_lx, but of course, unless you want them to fork nemo's mw, you have to live with that | 11:25 |
| fk_lx | faenil: read my posts from TJC | 11:25 |
| faenil | and I'd better live with jolla's plans than have them fork everything in nemo | 11:25 |
| faenil | and detach for nemo's reality because we want to do things radically differently | 11:25 |
| artemma | faenil: and by nemo you now mean Glacier and related apps really, correct? Because to my understanding Jolla is using most of non-visual parts and contributes back just fine | 11:25 |
| faenil | artemma, yep | 11:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: Jolla used to push their own modifications with high priority and they usually ignore other PR | 11:26 |
| fk_lx | but you cannot get involved into contribution of non-MW | 11:26 |
| fk_lx | because no one will tell you what is needed | 11:26 |
| fk_lx | I mean wrong | 11:26 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, of course, but that's understandable isn't it | 11:26 |
| faenil | if you prod w00t he'll review and approve | 11:26 |
| fk_lx | you cannot get involved in MW part | 11:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: not if you advertise nemo as meritocratic | 11:26 |
| fk_lx | that's the sad truth | 11:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: you can, if they have time | 11:26 |
| krnlyng | Stskeeps: is the droid-system-sbj package myriads or jollas work? | 11:27 |
| faenil | fk_lx, what Sfiet_Konstantin said | 11:27 |
| fk_lx | you cannot | 11:27 |
| sledges | fk_lx: you can | 11:27 |
| fk_lx | sorry, you cannot | 11:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: the issue is that they don't have time | 11:27 |
| sledges | add new APIs - no problem | 11:27 |
| artemma | Well, IMHO, Glacier and its apps can be one of three things (possibly mixed): 1) just for fun, i.e. for geeks building stuff themselves; 2) Demo vehicle for the likes of Jolla 3) a nearly-ready-for-manufacturing OS for whoever wants to go the Jolla way, but wants to skip even Sailfish-like development investment | 11:27 |
| sledges | qca was added | 11:27 |
| faenil | ok, I see this getting into a flame war in 3...2...1 | 11:27 |
| sledges | pyotherside etc | 11:27 |
| faenil | and I have to study | 11:27 |
| fk_lx | I won't work on sth if it is a double effort -> someone in Jolla doing that already, but not telling about it | 11:27 |
| sledges | MW is stable | 11:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: I won't start this flamewar again | 11:28 |
| sledges | UI needs evolvment - no chains | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm off | 11:28 |
| faenil | so I'll have to stop here, discussions this evening :) | 11:28 |
| artemma | it would be cool if there was some primary Nemo/Glacier direction. Cool, for external ovbservers and potential collaborators I mean | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: fk_lx have a point though | 11:28 |
| sledges | MW has connectivity (ofono), qt (for rest), and all the APIs that jolla will take time to integrate into their phone | 11:28 |
| fk_lx | the problem is that Nemo was open in terms of collaboration year ago on earlier | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there are usually work taking part inside Jolla with no communication | 11:28 |
| faenil | he does, he just applies a +200% exaggeration to it | 11:28 |
| sledges | meanwhile all we need to do is just to change nemo-patterns | 11:28 |
| faenil | which makes him lose credibility | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the problem is this communication, as usual | 11:28 |
| sledges | nemo:mw is a collection of mix-and-match pieces | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: good to see you here btw :) | 11:29 |
| fk_lx | I'm not exaggerating | 11:29 |
| fk_lx | it's easy to you guys that are inside Jolla telling that it's not problem to contribute | 11:29 |
| fk_lx | because you know plans | 11:29 |
| fk_lx | know which one takes of which part | 11:29 |
| fk_lx | etc. | 11:29 |
| faenil | artemma, the way I see it, Nemo is a dream (currently), a mobile distro which is taken care of by community | 11:29 |
| faenil | I don't care about the rest ;) | 11:30 |
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| * artemma always felt jolla is very closed in comms. Listens fine, but shares directions.. well, roadmap tag in Together is like the first public step I see | 11:30 | |
| fk_lx | yeah, the problem is communication | 11:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: I guess that Nemo contributors shapes this direction | 11:30 |
| faenil | the very big problem at the moment is that people like complaining | 11:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so same thing again and again: communication | 11:31 |
| fk_lx | Nemo contributors are 90% Jolla employees, that's why they don't see the problem | 11:31 |
| faenil | but I've seen no freaking commit to nemomobile middleware | 11:31 |
| faenil | in the last months | 11:31 |
| w00t | you're assuming rather a lot about the way people in jolla work work (that we have plans for absolutely everything months in advance) which isn't correct at all. at most, we usually plan a month or so ahead, aside from long term goals like last year's "we need to release a phone" | 11:31 |
| artemma | though again, I am from "just interested" camp. Maybe guys deep into topic know everything | 11:31 |
| sledges | it has nothing to do what i work with: nemo middleware is mature enough not to make fuss about, meanwhile glacier ui gives you all freedom to play | 11:31 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: but if jolla employees were more open to discussion like | 11:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | we are working on this feature, if you want work on this other | 11:31 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: +1 | 11:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this will help everybody | 11:31 |
| fk_lx | exactly | 11:31 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, +1 | 11:31 |
| faenil | of course | 11:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | both Jolla guys and people who want to step in | 11:32 |
| faenil | but even that takes time and effort to handle :( | 11:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is hard to get involved in Nemo project, even if the source is open | 11:32 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, that is definitely the current problem | 11:32 |
| fk_lx | yeah ... .source open | 11:32 |
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| artemma | w00t: discussions in IRC are fantastic for understanding the directions, I learn and understand a lot here. Public sharing… nada | 11:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: it is open source, not open contribution | 11:32 |
| fk_lx | Slush 2012 - we are doing open source not source open .... | 11:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: but don't deny that you can step in | 11:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is just very hard because you need to ping people several time | 11:33 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: then how it differst from Tizen | 11:33 |
| faenil | fk_lx, I fail to see your contributions to nemo mw which haven't been reviewed or accepted, though | 11:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and they might listen to yo | 11:33 |
| fk_lx | Tizen is also open source | 11:33 |
| artemma | w00t: and yes, I understand that sharing takes time and effort, especially when plans are fluid. Well, Jolla had and constantly has to make choices on what to focus on | 11:33 |
| fk_lx | faenil: first of all, I don't want to contribute if I learn two days later, that someone just done pull request and minute later it was accepted | 11:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: I guess that there are some efforts that could be done in Nemo (MW) maintainers side | 11:33 |
| faenil | fk_lx, ?? | 11:34 |
| fk_lx | faenil: yeah, that's it | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: speaking about PR handled inside Jolla, and not taking in account other people working on it | 11:34 |
| fk_lx | faenil: you are working on something, then two days later it is done | 11:34 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, there are a lot of things to be improved on that side | 11:34 |
| faenil | fk_lx, ah, that you mean | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I would love to have just a public dashboard with: "I'm doing this" and that's all | 11:34 |
| faenil | fk_lx, well, even though that can happy, that's not very likely | 11:34 |
| fk_lx | yeah, in my sense it's double effort, waste of time | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this will be enough | 11:34 |
| fk_lx | faenil: well it happened in my case | 11:35 |
| artemma | faenil, fk_lx, w00t Yeah, that's my number one stopper too: understanding what's for 3rd parties, what;s not and what's Jolla gonna deliver next. You know, it kind'a sucks to pump lots of hard work into Flashlight if next day Jolla releases a system one | 11:35 |
| fk_lx | faenil: only once, but that is enough | 11:35 |
| faenil | fk_lx, it's not like w00t won't tell you if he's about to push the same feature into lipstick | 11:35 |
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| sledges | artemma: that's not middleware | 11:35 |
| * artemma is in the same situation right now actually: building a quick app launcher. And who knows, maybe Jolla releases universal Search tomorrow | 11:35 | |
| fk_lx | the same with File manager etc. | 11:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | diversity won't hurt | 11:35 |
| fk_lx | no one knows on what Jolla is actually working on | 11:36 |
| fk_lx | or not | 11:36 |
| artemma | sledges: true, probably I am sharing on the wrong channel, /me is more about the app level | 11:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm building a FB client, but I'm sure that Jolla will have one at some point | 11:36 |
| fk_lx | artemma: +1 | 11:36 |
| sledges | artemma: we started this discussion about nemo here ;) | 11:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there is a diff between working on MW with PR and working on apps | 11:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you never have enough apps | 11:36 |
| sledges | i want someone to prove me, that nemo:mw handling changed their life | 11:36 |
| fk_lx | no one want to waste time on sth, that no one will use, because some Jolla employee will push that to Nemo one day earlier | 11:37 |
| sledges | in a bad way due jolla's actions | 11:37 |
| * artemma loved this BB10 middlewhere roadmap, when deciding what/when to work on for BB10, that was very-very useful yet simple - http://developer.blackberry.com/native/downloads/roadmap/ | 11:37 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but MW PR being handled internally is something to handle | 11:37 |
| fk_lx | despite the fact the same employee was working on that one month, but not telling it | 11:37 |
| fk_lx | faenil: ^ | 11:37 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: yep, quite good, but in Jolla it is impossible | 11:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | see what w00t said | 11:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what people do inside Jolla is: we might need this, let's implement it | 11:38 |
| faenil | maybe fk_lx should read it again as well | 11:38 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: if the roadmap is one month long, why not to have it one month long? | 11:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: because you don't plan for 1 month :D ? | 11:38 |
| artemma | Seriously. Even two weeks sharing is better than nothing. Especially if that's really what there is to share | 11:38 |
| fk_lx | artemma: +2 | 11:39 |
| faenil | artemma, I really hope jolla will be able to do something like bb10 roadmaps thingy, that's one of the things I loved most about bb10 | 11:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: the problem is also because you need to have acceptation on MW etc. | 11:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jolla phone can run on beta / alpha MW, but apps cannot | 11:39 |
| artemma | and I am sure there are things bubbling-under for the next month, even if 30% of those get canceled/delayed | 11:39 |
| fk_lx | the problem is the COMMUNICATION, or lack of it | 11:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | SC / BC breakage is not allowed | 11:39 |
| fk_lx | and then later faenil complains that no one is willing to contribute | 11:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: +1 | 11:39 |
| fk_lx | (who is not employee) | 11:39 |
| sledges | to glacier ui | 11:39 |
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| fk_lx | the communicatio flows but inside Jolla | 11:40 |
| fk_lx | Nemo MW is Tizen, sorry :-( | 11:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | now that the phone is out, I wonder how Jolla engineers think the communication problem | 11:40 |
| faenil | fk_lx, it seems like since jolla is using nemo mw, then jolla has to handle nemo stuff | 11:40 |
| faenil | that's not the way it works, imho | 11:40 |
| faenil | we could do that roadmap ourselves, for nemo | 11:41 |
| faenil | if there were even 1 active developer, which there is not | 11:41 |
| fk_lx | faenil: it about communicating - "we are working on this feature in Nemo MW" or "That would be good if some one would do it with this Nemo MW project" | 11:41 |
| fk_lx | but it does not happens | 11:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: Jolla engineers have Write access on Nemo stuff, so technically, they control Nemo | 11:41 |
| faenil | fk_lx, no wonder it would be cool to see something like that | 11:41 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: false | 11:41 |
| faenil | fk_lx, but again, at least for IRCers, there are PLENTY of ways to know if someone is already working on that | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: not totaly false :) | 11:42 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: not totally :D | 11:42 |
| faenil | that's ofc false for the non-ircers | 11:42 |
| fk_lx | faenil: assuming that you know who works on what, and that _all_ will answer | 11:42 |
| sledges | fk_lx: you take mw project, see its github repo, see commits. done | 11:43 |
| sledges | if not enough - check in obs | 11:43 |
| w00t | Sfiet_Konstantin: not all of them do, and there are plenty of others (like you..) who have access, and i'm more than happy to see others get it, once they prove capable and competent - the barrier is not very high beyond "do a good job and don't be malicious" :) | 11:43 |
| faenil | fk_lx, come on, you know there are people here 24/7 | 11:43 |
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| faenil | finally... | 11:43 |
| faenil | fk_lx, ^ see what I meant | 11:44 |
| fk_lx | ok than I have completely serious question - if I want to contribute to fingerterm or pyotherside with who should I talk? | 11:44 |
| faenil | fk_lx, you can talk to me for fingerterm | 11:44 |
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| sledges | want all info: https://github.com/organizations/nemomobile | 11:44 |
| sledges | one more: #mer-boss | 11:44 |
| fk_lx | faenil: ok good, and pyotherside? | 11:44 |
| faenil | fk_lx, and NOTICE: I'm not a sailr | 11:45 |
| faenil | sailor* | 11:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: :) of course | 11:45 |
| faenil | fk_lx, let me put this in simple words: if you spent 10% of the time you spent complaining into sending code to nemo repos, you'd be Nemo owner by now :) | 11:47 |
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| faenil | and here's Venemo o/ | 11:47 |
| fk_lx | faenil: sorry that's a joke, not serious reply | 11:48 |
| sledges | me and faenil haven't complained, we got pull rights on such things like nemo-patterns last october | 11:48 |
| faenil | well, I complained lots of times, but I did some facts as well :D | 11:49 |
| fk_lx | well I'm not a young student, I value my time, I don't want to waste it on stuff one already those | 11:49 |
| fk_lx | *does | 11:50 |
| Venemo | hey | 11:50 |
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| fk_lx | for me it should be clear Project -> person /contact person responsible mapping | 11:51 |
| sledges | im not student either; there is an overhead in oss projects for double work, but if you concentrate on nemo as the awesomnest playground for ui/mobile innovation, you know how to tackle it without headache or too many complaints | 11:51 |
| fk_lx | for now it's completely unclear who takes care of what | 11:51 |
| sledges | fk_lx: we had mapping on ui components - became a mess. "scratch your itch" is the best approach in such projects, and we had rip roaring time communicating here about glacier | 11:52 |
| fk_lx | sledges: not everyone wants to play with UI | 11:52 |
| faenil | fk_lx, again, if you spent 10% of the time you spent complaining on IRC coding.. | 11:53 |
| faenil | it's not a | 11:53 |
| faenil | bout lack of time | 11:53 |
| sledges | i've known mw people here (rcg) - his qca got accepted into mw, happy times | 11:53 |
| sledges | and thank him very much too for that Qt5 port | 11:53 |
| sledges | don't say it was as easy as UI, but now it's in mw | 11:54 |
| sledges | and (OT on this channel), waiting to enter sailfish too | 11:54 |
| fk_lx | faenil: sorry, but you complaining about my valid points is non constructive | 11:54 |
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| fk_lx | faenil: communication, communication, communication | 11:54 |
| fk_lx | faenil: inclusiveness, inclusiveness, inclusiveness | 11:54 |
| faenil | fk_lx, all good words, I agree | 11:54 |
| fk_lx | and I don't feel good in current situation | 11:55 |
| fk_lx | that I expressed on TJC | 11:55 |
| Venemo | hey, what's this all about? | 11:55 |
| fk_lx | besides Stskeeps reply there wasn't any reaction from Jolla | 11:56 |
| sledges | passive aggression: submit PR, wait weeks, complain | 11:56 |
| faenil | Venemo, read channel log from half an hour ago :P | 11:56 |
| Venemo | can you summarize please? | 11:56 |
| faenil | Venemo, fk_lx complaining that jolla isn't doing enough for nemo | 11:56 |
| sledges | active collaboration: submit PR, wait couple of days, understand that people who can accept are busy, poke w00t, get PR accepted; if it delays, you'll get an apology | 11:57 |
| faenil | i.e. to make it easy to contribute to nemo | 11:57 |
| w00t | sledges: hey, you can get too poked now - you've got the same rights :P | 11:57 |
| Venemo | oh, the same old stuff | 11:57 |
| Venemo | I thought we've been through this already | 11:58 |
| sledges | every community (involving companies like jolla) has it's ways, and the ones that survive are the ones that adapt | 11:58 |
| fk_lx | faenil: sorrry but you are MISTATING what I said | 11:58 |
| sledges | surely, mutually | 11:58 |
| fk_lx | faenil: I said Jolla taken over Nemo | 11:58 |
| faenil | fk_lx, okay sorry, feel free to rephrase :D | 11:59 |
| faenil | Venemo, yes we've been through this multiple times | 11:59 |
| fk_lx | faenil: it does contirubute a lot, but doesn't do enough to involve those outiside Jolla - no communication, no TODOs, no roadmaps | 11:59 |
| sledges | w00t: that's right ;) | 11:59 |
| * Aard tries to not ignore nemo pull requests as well | 12:00 | |
| Venemo | fk_lx: do you mean "Jolla took over ..." or "Jolla has taken over ..."? what you said doesn't really make sense | 12:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo: for fk_lx Jolla controls Nemo development, and it is hard(er ?) for external devs to get involved in | 12:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no communcation is a key factor here | 12:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can easily do the same work that a dev at jolla is doing, submit a PR and see that the PR was already accepted by someone else | 12:01 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: that's exactly the key point | 12:01 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: what you just said | 12:01 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: and to me it's important, not just only fruitless complaining | 12:02 |
| Venemo | okay, and what do you suggest as a solution? | 12:02 |
| faenil | Venemo, the p | 12:02 |
| faenil | oops | 12:03 |
| faenil | nvm | 12:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: the p ? | 12:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what kind of solution is this ? :D | 12:03 |
| sledges | poops | 12:03 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: my suggestions are on TJC | 12:03 |
| sledges | :D | 12:03 |
| faenil | :D | 12:03 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: I wrote there very clearly what should be done in 2 answers-type posts | 12:04 |
| Venemo | yes, so the problem is solved and we can all go home | 12:06 |
| Venemo | great work fk_lx :) | 12:06 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: not it's not solved - I've only highlighted problem and ways to fix it | 12:07 |
| Venemo | so why is it not solved? | 12:08 |
| Venemo | if we know the solution, doesn't that mean that it's solved? | 12:08 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: nope, the fact that you know disease and know the medicine for it it doesn't solve the problem | 12:10 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: you must apply that medicine | 12:10 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx: okay, go ahead and apply it | 12:15 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: did you read the post? | 12:17 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: both ones | 12:17 |
| fk_lx | ? | 12:17 |
| Venemo | fk_lx: if you refer to the two of your co-creation posts on together, then yes | 12:17 |
| Venemo | I read them when you wrote them | 12:17 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: ok, then it's about steps Jolla should take to give a chance to involved more people | 12:18 |
| Venemo | I see | 12:18 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: and I'm not Jolla ;-) | 12:19 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: I didn't taken over Nemo ;-) | 12:19 |
| Venemo | sorry but that doesn't mean anything | 12:20 |
| Venemo | please learn some grammar | 12:20 |
| Venemo | you can say "I didn't take over" or "I haven't taken over", but what you said doesn't have any meaning | 12:20 |
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| fk_lx | Venemo: I meant the second, sorry for mistake | 12:22 |
| Venemo | no problem, I'm here to help :) | 12:23 |
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| fk_lx | you really guys don't see the problem that all the time people involved are the same ones, that came from Maemo/Meego circles | 12:25 |
| fk_lx | I would like to know what Android developer joined the effort of contributing | 12:25 |
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| fk_lx | the thing is that there is a bubble of Maemo/Meego, and everyone who is new or outside of it, feels lost | 12:26 |
| faenil | fk_lx, if you contributed, you would have taken over nemo as well | 12:26 |
| Morpog_Jolla | i've seen a few fresh faces, like giucam or zbenjamin | 12:26 |
| faenil | Morpog_Jolla, and krnlyng ? and filip__ ? | 12:27 |
| Morpog_Jolla | true | 12:27 |
| faenil | people who come, ask for what needs to be done, contribute | 12:27 |
| fk_lx | nope, these are people who have N9 | 12:27 |
| faenil | and try to live happily | 12:27 |
| fk_lx | show me people who don't have N9/N950 | 12:27 |
| krnlyng | hiho :) | 12:27 |
| fk_lx | you see this community does not expand beyonds it's borders | 12:28 |
| Venemo | fk_lx: do you mean "its borders"? (without an apostrophe) | 12:28 |
| fk_lx | if we someone knew it's someone who was N9/N950/N900 user | 12:28 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: yes | 12:28 |
| Venemo | fk_lx: ok | 12:28 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: when I type fast I make mistakes ;-) | 12:28 |
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| Venemo | fk_lx: no worries | 12:29 |
| fk_lx | Jolla community = Maemo + Meego community former devs or users | 12:29 |
| Venemo | that is not really true | 12:29 |
| Venemo | there are plenty of new faces on the mailing list and on IRC too | 12:29 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: which of them don't have N9/N950 | 12:30 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: or N900 | 12:30 |
| Venemo | many | 12:30 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: examples please | 12:30 |
| Venemo | there are those people who compliment it and come from android | 12:31 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: please give me example of 5 people from mailing list, that didn't have N9/N950 | 12:31 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: or N900 | 12:31 |
| Venemo | and there are those who are quite new to the community like AL13N or msknight or most of the guys chatting on #jollamobile now | 12:32 |
| Venemo | just read the mailing list and see how many people say they're beginners to this whole thing | 12:32 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: msknight already left - if you read her blog | 12:32 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: beginngers as devs, but they were previously N9/N900 users | 12:33 |
| faenil | this is getting ridicolous. | 12:33 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: show me completely new people, not coming from N9/N900 users | 12:33 |
| faenil | fk_lx, so, first of all, what is your expected android users percentage? | 12:33 |
| Venemo | fk_lx: I can't ask everybody if they have Nxxx devices, BUT I can see that there are plenty of new faces. | 12:34 |
| fk_lx | faenil: if you comment all the thing I say as ridicolous, then probably we won't find common points | 12:35 |
| faenil | fk_lx, we already have the common points, you just fail to come towards the center | 12:35 |
| fk_lx | it's easiest to laugh from someone, or say he says ridicolous things | 12:35 |
| faenil | fk_lx, oh please. | 12:36 |
| faenil | Enough, I have an exam in two days and I feel like talking to a wall | 12:36 |
| faenil | I'm off | 12:36 |
| fk_lx | and now I'm being compared to wall | 12:37 |
| fk_lx | just show me when in this conversations above I've compared someone to wall, said that someone said something ridicolous or laughed | 12:38 |
| fk_lx | that's really not the way dialog should be conducted | 12:38 |
| fk_lx | Stskeeps: ^ | 12:38 |
| * fk_lx goes away | 12:38 | |
| tbr | sheeesh, guys | 12:38 |
| tbr | all of you, cut it, sit down, calm down, chill out | 12:39 |
| faenil | fk_lx, you know I'd stay here discussing, as usual, but I really have to study and this discussing is not ending anytime soon. | 12:40 |
| faenil | that's it | 12:40 |
| faenil | discussion* | 12:40 |
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| krnlyng | is somebody interested in setting up a android chroot on his phone? maybe someone with wayland/X11 experience who can help me with later bits? | 12:59 |
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| faenil | krnlyng, cool! I'd like to try :) but too busy with studies atm :/ I could spend some time on it during weekend, maybe (but still, not much :/ ) | 13:00 |
| faenil | krnlyng, which phone btw :D | 13:01 |
| krnlyng | faenil: doesn't matter which, you need a copy of android and you should be able to compile a kernel for your device | 13:03 |
| krnlyng | and maybe the android build environment to patch a few things | 13:03 |
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| faenil | krnlyng, ah so an aosp or cm device anyway | 13:04 |
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| krnlyng | faenil: a copy of nitdroid will work too, what device do you have? | 13:13 |
| faenil | krnlyng, then I need the n950 :) | 13:14 |
| faenil | krnlyng, n950, jolla, and a few bb10s (which are out of the equation unfortunately due to their security) | 13:14 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi guys again ! | 16:13 |
| fk_lx | hi | 16:14 |
| sledges | ahai | 16:17 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin is lazy and don't want to code today :/ | 16:20 | |
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| qwazix | faenil, I have to finish a project @work by tomorrow, and then probably I'll sleep for a couple of days straight, but after that I think I'll be around more | 19:39 |
| * Stskeeps offers qwazix finnish vodka to make him sleep better | 19:39 | |
| qwazix | Stskeeps, no, not now, but I'll take your offer for tomorrow evening :P | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:40 |
| qwazix | or else "there will be bugs" :) | 19:40 |
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| faenil | qwazix, cool :) good luck with the project! | 20:37 |
| qwazix | thx :) | 20:37 |
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| sandy_locke | o/ peops | 21:27 |
| sandy_locke | happy new year | 21:27 |
| sledges | happy new year :) | 21:27 |
| sandy_locke | (yeah I know I'm late) | 21:27 |
| sandy_locke | :) | 21:27 |
| sledges | better later than later than that ^_^ | 21:28 |
| sandy_locke | how are you sledges ? | 21:28 |
| sandy_locke | have you spent some holidays lately ? | 21:28 |
| sledges | im good good, how's you been? | 21:28 |
| sledges | want back home | 21:28 |
| sandy_locke | am ok | 21:28 |
| sledges | for good family and food times :) | 21:28 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, food time :P | 21:29 |
| sandy_locke | have we progressed with nemo ? | 21:29 |
| sandy_locke | I must admit I did, well, nothing ^^ | 21:29 |
| sledges | not much progress, everyone's into their jollas now :) | 21:30 |
| sandy_locke | I see, ofc | 21:30 |
| sandy_locke | they must be enjoying it | 21:30 |
| sandy_locke | lucky b... | 21:31 |
| sandy_locke | :P | 21:31 |
| sledges | where's yours? ;D | 21:31 |
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| sledges | https://twitter.com/nsuffys/status/390515382043152385 | 21:32 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I kinda have that face :P | 21:33 |
| sandy_locke | I'm waiting either that Sailfish goes out of beta, either a jolla 2.0 | 21:34 |
| sandy_locke | I'm pleased by what I have right now (N9 has still some love, at least until now) | 21:35 |
| * sledges nods | 21:37 | |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Fired up my n9 yesterday, was shocked how laggy it is..... | 21:51 |
| sledges | i sadly had to say bye bye to harmattan last summer (usb port broke), and since then used it only for nemo. lately booted back to harma and have to agree with Morpog_Mobile :/ | 21:53 |
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| faenil | javispedro, o/ | 22:08 |
| javispedro | hello | 22:09 |
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| faenil | how you doing :) | 22:09 |
| javispedro | nice -- I assume you're going to fosdem? :) | 22:10 |
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| faenil | javispedro, yeah :D gotta love ryanair :D | 22:11 |
| javispedro | I'm pondering it, but tilting towards 'yes' | 22:11 |
| faenil | oh come ooon :) | 22:11 |
| javispedro | have quite busy months | 22:11 |
| faenil | I see... | 22:11 |
| faenil | it would be cool to meet :) | 22:12 |
| javispedro | yeah | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: you should come, you can get to argue with me | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:12 |
| javispedro | been a long time since I've seen any maemites :) | 22:12 |
| faenil | javispedro, I'm not one of those though :p I was on symbian at that time, doing custom firmwares :) | 22:13 |
| faenil | but yeah, you get to argue with Stskeeps, that alone is worth it :p | 22:13 |
| javispedro | well, since I won't be bringing any hacks to show around this time... | 22:13 |
| javispedro | I expect everyone to have nice hacks for me to see =) | 22:13 |
| faenil | =) | 22:14 |
| javispedro | j/k -- yeah, I'll come. | 22:14 |
| faenil | wohoo :) | 22:14 |
| javispedro | btw, anyone has tried xwayland? | 22:17 |
| javispedro | I assume xwayland "as-is" won't work because of weston vs qtwayland, but I'm pondering if someone has made any experiments... | 22:18 |
| faenil | not that I know, Stskeeps ? ^ | 22:18 |
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