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| coderus | install android apps in emulator...haha! | 05:53 |
| coderus | btw, where to get ifconfig/iwconfig utilities from? | 05:54 |
| coderus | and good morning for laters :) | 05:55 |
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| vakkov | aclocal: command not found :( | 07:46 |
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| vakkov | sb2 -t mer-target-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper search wget | 08:14 |
| vakkov | no packages found | 08:15 |
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| Stskeeps | morn wazd | 08:15 |
| vakkov | Is there SDL for mer | 08:18 |
| vakkov | checking for SDL... no | 08:19 |
| vakkov | no | 08:19 |
| vakkov | checking for sdl-config... no | 08:19 |
| vakkov | checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.10... no | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | probably not preinstalled no | 08:19 |
| vakkov | zypper search sdl ... nothing :( | 08:20 |
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| vakkov | if somebody finds this log looking for sdl - sb2 -t mer-target-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper addrepo http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/mw/latest_armv7hl/nemo:devel:mw.repo | 08:48 |
| stephg | morning | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | morning | 08:58 |
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| vakkov | is it possible to port preenv from maemo to an old nemo (that's using x11). i mean is there going to be some conflict (armv7l vs armv7hl..) | 09:19 |
| Hurrian | vakkov: yep, it links against some system libraries. | 09:22 |
| Hurrian | you are better off trying to run webos in chroot, IIRC javispedro demoed that and has sources online for that | 09:22 |
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| faenil | moaning | 09:28 |
| stephg | moroning! | 09:28 |
| stephg | ;) | 09:28 |
| Hurrian | morn, faenil! | 09:28 |
| faenil | o/ | 09:29 |
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| tbr | moooing | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mooning | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | norming | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | moomin? | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www15.uta.fi/FAST/FIN/CULT/images/muumipeikko.gif | 09:36 |
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| stephg | they have too many fingers :) | 09:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really? how many would you expect? | 09:39 |
| stephg | cartoon characters tend to have 3 fingers and a thumb | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Wa2WFP1p8vI/T4iBntjoKdI/AAAAAAAAAe0/OWSy9gghrvg/s320/Central+Polydactyly+-+clinical+image.jpg | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 09:41 |
| stephg | ha | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd like to see/hear this guy play piano ;-D | 09:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.creation-vs-evolution.us/visual-evolution/polydactylity/six_toes_08.jpg | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! http://www.pxleyes.com/images/contests/world-records/fullsize/Seven-Fingers-in-one-hand-4d9a6501612cd.jpg | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | evolved for better VKB usage | 09:48 |
| stephg | VKB? _required_ for emacs! | 09:49 |
| wazd | heya creepy people :D | 09:51 |
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| coderus | faenil: ping | 11:36 |
| faenil | coderus, yes? | 11:36 |
| coderus | where lipstick / compositor rotation fix placed? | 11:36 |
| faenil | coderus, which one? | 11:37 |
| dmol | Hello! I try to compile qmlcalc for n950, but got an error http://bpaste.net/show/158656/ | 11:37 |
| faenil | dmol, look in Mer/nemo wiki, there is the solution | 11:38 |
| dmol | I have tried to sb2 -t mer-target-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper in meego-rpm-config, but that hepls not | 11:38 |
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| coderus | faenil: everyone | 11:39 |
| dmol | faenil: Do you mean "sb2 -t mer-target-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper in meego-rpm-config? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Troubleshooting . It not hels. | 11:39 |
| faenil | coderus, sorry, can you repeat the question then, I don't understand what you're looking for about the rotation in compositor | 11:39 |
| faenil | dmol, then I don't know, I don't how that couldn't help :) | 11:40 |
| coderus | faenil: your fix for orientation rotation lipstick | 11:41 |
| faenil | coderus, the fix to *what* problem | 11:41 |
| coderus | 90 degrees rotation :) | 11:41 |
| faenil | coderus, mmm my fix... | 11:42 |
| * faenil thinks | 11:42 | |
| faenil | coderus, talking about nemo or sailfish, and n9 or jolla? | 11:42 |
| coderus | nemo n9 :) | 11:47 |
| faenil | coderus, did we have a 90 degrees rotation problem? :) | 11:47 |
| coderus | faenil: i'm thinking how to set wayland-0 rotation | 11:47 |
| coderus | faenil: in nemo no, in sailfish yes :) | 11:47 |
| faenil | coderus, that's why I asked, I don't know abotu sailfish n9... | 11:47 |
| coderus | faenil: i see, i'm asking you because you can think about it and suggest anything | 11:49 |
| coderus | faenil: what is PRE_USER_SESSION_DISPLAY_OPTIONS for? | 11:49 |
| faenil | coderus, ah ok... you said "your fix" :D | 11:49 |
| faenil | coderus, so please describe the problem in details because I don't know what the problem is | 11:50 |
| faenil | coderus, honestly I don't know about that | 11:50 |
| faenil | it's probably something related to plymouth | 11:50 |
| faenil | but not sure | 11:50 |
| coderus | can you search through sources for this env value> who using it | 11:50 |
| faenil | coderus, sorry but I'm studying :/ I can do that this evening if you want my help investigating | 11:51 |
| coderus | okay :) | 11:52 |
| faenil | coderus, if you can describe in details what is your problem and what you want to fix I can see if I know the solution | 11:52 |
| coderus | faenil: and what is QT_COMPOSITOR_NEGATE_INVERTED_Y=1 for? | 11:54 |
| faenil | coderus, what about replying my question :P | 11:54 |
| coderus | faenil: generally: wayland-0 display orientation locked in 0 degrees. I want to rotate it 90 degrees :) | 11:54 |
| faenil | coderus, that env var is for inverting the Y axis, otherwise you'll see apps mirrored (text going right to left) | 11:54 |
| faenil | coderus, but there is a chance that qtwayland handled that differently recently, so maybe it's not needed anymore now (I don't know) | 11:55 |
| faenil | coderus, ok wait | 11:55 |
| faenil | coderus, this could be what you need https://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/blob/qtquick2/src/meego/mdeclarativescreen.cpp#L194 | 12:00 |
| faenil | coderus, which is also described here https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-applicationwindow.html#screenRotation-prop | 12:02 |
| coderus | faenil: no, its not related to my case | 12:05 |
| coderus | faenil: homescreen itself have good orientation | 12:05 |
| coderus | faenil: but system notifications are not | 12:05 |
| coderus | faenil: also gestures rotated in 90 degrees back | 12:06 |
| faenil | ah ok | 12:07 |
| valdur55 | i played with /etc/sensorfw/*.conf and nothing worked... | 12:07 |
| faenil | coderus, no I cannot help with that, you will have to investigate :) | 12:07 |
| coderus | valdur55: sensors are ok | 12:09 |
| coderus | faenil: okay, do you know who drawing system notifications and handling gestures (compositor?) in sailfish? | 12:10 |
| valdur55 | sure? i used wrong conf and still it was same... | 12:10 |
| faenil | coderus, I guess lipstick (which has compsitor) | 12:10 |
| faenil | coderus, I think there is the same issue in nemo, so if you fix it in nemo, you'll get it for free in sailfish on n9 ;) | 12:11 |
| faenil | actually no, probably not, because they're using different compositors | 12:11 |
| coderus | faenil: yup. i see no same issue in nemo. nemo lipstick notifications at root window rotated correctly :) | 12:13 |
| faenil | coderus, ah so if in nemo you have phone in portrait then you get notification in portrait as well? | 12:13 |
| qwazix | faenil, coderus IIRC we had this issue and somebody fixed it | 12:14 |
| qwazix | now I understand that wasn't very helpful :P | 12:14 |
| faenil | qwazix, ok, I know that orientation was enabled in homescreen, but not that notifications followed it | 12:15 |
| qwazix | faenil, do you know how to invoke a notification? | 12:16 |
| qwazix | so that I can test | 12:16 |
| qwazix | (besides rebooting) | 12:16 |
| faenil | qwazix, don't remember atm, there's a notification-tool script iirc | 12:16 |
| qwazix | thx | 12:16 |
| faenil | qwazix, or pm me your number and I call you, lol | 12:16 |
| qwazix | no sim in the N950 right now... | 12:17 |
| faenil | mm ok | 12:17 |
| valdur55 | maybe here is something interesting: https://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/blob/6460b94334cd6209e623f0ae144d5aa55c56953f/src/meego/mdeclarativescreen.cpp#L590 | 12:18 |
| faenil | qwazix, yeah call notificationtool it should print usage | 12:18 |
| qwazix | thx | 12:19 |
| faenil | valdur55, that's just converting orientation enum to a string | 12:19 |
| faenil | also remember that's code of qt-components, not silica ;) | 12:19 |
| coderus | qwazix: attach charger? there should be charging notification. or usb, then developer mode notification. | 12:19 |
| valdur55 | qwazix: connect your changer :) | 12:19 |
| valdur55 | :) | 12:19 |
| faenil | :) | 12:19 |
| coderus | as far i remember notification rotating in nemo correctly | 12:19 |
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| valdur55 | coderus: are you sure? | 12:20 |
| coderus | i cant keep both nemo and sailfish on my 16gb N9 :D | 12:20 |
| faenil | coderus, why not :) | 12:20 |
| coderus | but i remember how it rotated :) | 12:20 |
| coderus | faenil: i need to have some space for removable storage :D | 12:21 |
| faenil | eheh | 12:21 |
| valdur55 | maybe you can use /home for nemo :) | 12:21 |
| coderus | valdur55: bggg | 12:21 |
| faenil | qwazix, so? :D | 12:21 |
| qwazix | it doesn't seem to help... notifications don't appear | 12:21 |
| coderus | not in this year | 12:21 |
| faenil | qwazix, lol | 12:21 |
| faenil | qwazix, ok go with notificationtool then | 12:22 |
| coderus | qwazix: connect to pc | 12:22 |
| coderus | qwazix: it should show "using developer mode" or so | 12:22 |
| qwazix | notificationstool prolly is to manage persistent notifications, not toasts like "recharge battery" | 12:22 |
| qwazix | which we don't have a UI for in nemo | 12:22 |
| faenil | qwazix, don't think so | 12:22 |
| coderus | qwazix: why not? just use this toast conf name :) | 12:22 |
| coderus | x-battery.recharge or so | 12:23 |
| qwazix | let me try | 12:23 |
| coderus | qwazix: look into notificationcategiries to get proper name | 12:23 |
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| qwazix | coderus, found proper name, but I can't see where I should put that | 12:26 |
| coderus | notificationtool --help :) | 12:27 |
| coderus | i have no notificationtool in sf, sorry | 12:27 |
| qwazix | ok, I just plugged in the cable to ssh in, and a notification appeared :P | 12:27 |
| qwazix | which rotates fine | 12:27 |
| coderus | thats it! | 12:28 |
| faenil | ok | 12:28 |
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| Morpog | coderus, notifications in nemomobile lipstick (lipstick-colorful-home) got fixed with this commit: | 15:17 |
| Morpog | <faenil> coderus, if you ca | 15:17 |
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| Morpog | coderus: maybe it gives you a hint, but I guess if it's in sailfish lipstick home (or how it is called), then you can't fix it | 15:18 |
| coderus | Morpog: what commit? :D | 15:39 |
| coderus | Morpog: no links in chat :D | 15:39 |
| Morpog | oops | 15:39 |
| Morpog | there we go: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/commit/956ec93c08d712b23fb562d7b907593ce8ac90a1 | 15:40 |
| Morpog | and PR discussion: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/pull/30 | 15:42 |
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| coderus | faenil: ping | 19:39 |
| faenil | coderus, yes | 19:39 |
| coderus | faenil: do you know who controlling system gestures is sf? lipstick itself? gestures like closing application | 19:39 |
| faenil | I guess compositor, don't see any other alternative | 19:40 |
| coderus | faenil: no standalone compositor in sf :| | 19:40 |
| faenil | coderus, I know, it's part of the homescreen | 19:40 |
| faenil | of lipstick... | 19:40 |
| coderus | aha! thanks :) | 19:40 |
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| coderus | faenil: do you have access to jolla sailfish sources? | 19:49 |
| faenil | coderus, yes but I cannot check stuff there, sorry | 19:50 |
| coderus | faenil: why? | 19:50 |
| faenil | coderus, because it's closedsource? :P | 19:50 |
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| coderus | faenil: dont give me sources, just look at it, okay? | 19:51 |
| faenil | coderus, no | 19:51 |
| coderus | faenil: :o? | 19:51 |
| coderus | faenil: i dont understand | 19:52 |
| coderus | faenil: just tell if orientation hardcoded or not | 19:52 |
| coderus | faenil: or it gets value somewhere | 19:52 |
| coderus | faenil: dont tell details | 19:52 |
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| MSameer | coderus: what do you want to do? | 20:24 |
| MSameer | coderus: better get hold of w00t and he can answer you | 20:25 |
| coderus | MSameer: i just need to know is lipstick window compositor getting orientation values somewhere. How it gets devide top egde. To close application you need to swipe down, so on N9 top is wrong. I want to know is there any code part what can set/rotate compositor to have modified gestures direction. | 20:28 |
| coderus | MSameer: clean enough? | 20:28 |
| MSameer | coderus: I really don't know but w00t might know more | 20:30 |
| MSameer | coderus: so we are asking you to check with the guy who knows more than us | 20:30 |
| MSameer | we are nothiding the info. I just don't know how it handles it :) | 20:30 |
| MSameer | not hiding | 20:30 |
| MSameer | i think lipstick starts in some default qt/wayland orientation | 20:30 |
| MSameer | but i am not sure | 20:31 |
| coderus | MSameer: i think so, it default harmattan framebuffer orientation | 20:32 |
| coderus | MSameer: just need to know is there are some existing way (any) to override it | 20:32 |
| MSameer | coderus: try this gconf key /desktop/jolla/components/screen_rotation_angle | 20:33 |
| coderus | MSameer: i know this value, it using only for AppWindow qml side | 20:34 |
| coderus | MSameer: already hacking around it :D | 20:34 |
| coderus | MSameer: but compositor is lower than qml | 20:34 |
| MSameer | then i really don't know | 20:39 |
| MSameer | w00t might know more | 20:39 |
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| coderus | w00t: ping | 20:44 |
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| winfriedd | Hi all, I'm looking into development of a network monitor for sailfish. | 21:07 |
| winfriedd | ATM i'm looking at libpcap | 21:08 |
| stephg | EEP | 21:08 |
| stephg | (I mean eep) | 21:08 |
| winfriedd | Does nemo already have something else that could be useful for network monitoring ? | 21:08 |
| stephg | caveat: I'm drunk, but I think libpcap will need privileges, interface stats afaik don't | 21:11 |
| winfriedd | Yes, probably app need to run as root, that will likely be a problem. | 21:11 |
| stephg | ja that will be a problem :) | 21:12 |
| stephg | why do you need the privileges? | 21:13 |
| winfriedd | Any other way to find out which application is using how much bandwidth ? | 21:13 |
| winfriedd | Without root prigs. | 21:13 |
| winfriedd | priviliges | 21:13 |
| stephg | off the top of my head not that I know, but that doesn't mean that there aren't | 21:14 |
| stephg | anything that needs elevated privileges is a bad idea tho | 21:14 |
| winfriedd | Ok, thanks, I'll investigate a bit more. | 21:15 |
| stephg | winfriedd iptables *may* help | 21:22 |
| stephg | but you'll probably still need privileges | 21:23 |
| winfriedd | Ok, I'll look into that. So far I have used ip tables only via GUI interfaces such as Yast. | 21:23 |
| coderus | who maintaining n950/n9 kernel? | 21:24 |
| stephg | you may have better luck asking in #mer, this is fairly low-level stuff and I don't exactly what's included and what's not (though it's late now though, some folks may be in bed) | 21:24 |
| winfriedd | No hurry, I'm just in the research stage. I'll ask on Mer later this week. | 21:25 |
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| merlin1991 | faenil: when I update my nemo wayland image, is zypper ref && zypper up enough or do I need to invoke something else? | 22:36 |
| faenil | should be enough | 22:36 |
| faenil | please check that it doesn't want to implode | 22:37 |
| faenil | i.e. sometimes it tries to uninstall omap stuff and install mesa llvm | 22:37 |
| faenil | in that case, run "ssu ur" and then again zypper ref and zypper dup | 22:37 |
| merlin1991 | does the vm image even run with omap stuff? | 22:38 |
| merlin1991 | isn't it x86? | 22:38 |
| faenil | ah, thought you were on n9/n950 | 22:38 |
| faenil | nothing then | 22:38 |
| faenil | haven't tried vm in the last few months so I cannot say if there's any special recommendation at the moment :) | 22:39 |
| merlin1991 | so you do everything on device? | 22:39 |
| faenil | merlin1991, I've been doing internship at jolla for the last 2 months, so I've been too busy in this time to play with nemo... | 22:40 |
| merlin1991 | too bad | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | internship? more like, faenil chained to a desk to learn something :P | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:41 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, just didn't want to put jolla under bad light ;) | 22:41 |
| merlin1991 | nemo could do with some mission statement on nemomobile.org :D | 22:42 |
| merlin1991 | or maybe just a link to the nemomobile github, or I dunno anything but the merproject.org page :D | 22:43 |
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| faenil | merlin1991, :D | 22:45 |
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| merlin1991 | according to the wiki page the last nemo meeting was in 28/08/2012 that can't be right | 22:48 |
| merlin1991 | hm any idea why the keyboard would slide in as if in landscape when the ui is in portrait on the vm? | 22:50 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Nope | 22:56 |
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| merlin1991 | then I'll alter that question, where do I start investigating? | 23:00 |
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| faenil | merlin1991, yeah well that was the last "official" nemo meeting | 23:10 |
| faenil | which is basically before jolla started going serious with sailfish, and lots of sailors were just nemo contributors | 23:10 |
| faenil | merlin1991, but now we just discuss all days here ;) no centralized meeting atm | 23:10 |
| faenil | as we're very few active members anyway, unfortunately | 23:11 |
| faenil | merlin1991, but if you want to start giving a hand, you're very welcome :) | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | I'm going to look into this keyboard issue at least | 23:13 |
| merlin1991 | I'd appreciate a few pointers as to who handles rotation though :) | 23:14 |
| faenil | merlin1991, sure, describe all you see please | 23:14 |
| faenil | and reproducibility | 23:14 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I think it's an old version pulled in, you should talk with locusf | 23:14 |
| faenil | ^ Morpog_Mobile used VM much more than me :P | 23:15 |
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| merlin1991 | fire up wayland qt5 vm, start people, tap single existing contact, tap edit in toolbar, tap any input field (vm is in portrait) -> keyboard slides in from the left as if vm were in landscape, meaning the keyboard would work for me if I turn the screen 90° to the left | 23:16 |
| merlin1991 | reproduceabilitiy always | 23:16 |
| faenil | merlin1991, ok, so | 23:17 |
| Morpog_Mobile | On some apps it comes from down, but is also landscape | 23:17 |
| faenil | one https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/blob/qt5/src/qml/compositor.qml | 23:17 |
| faenil | and maybe two | 23:18 |
| faenil | https://github.com/maliit/plugins/blob/master/nemo-keyboard/nemo-keyboard.qml | 23:18 |
| faenil | though I don't see locusf changes there | 23:18 |
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| faenil | ah yes they're in there | 23:19 |
| faenil | https://github.com/maliit/plugins/tree/master/nemo-keyboard/org/nemomobile | 23:19 |
| faenil | so, merlin1991 keyboard and compositor are the places I'd look for more info | 23:19 |
| faenil | merlin1991, fwiw, maliit should be "overlay" window iirc | 23:20 |
| faenil | in nemo compositor | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | okay I'll dig into that tomorrow, for now I'll just make a screenshot :) | 23:21 |
| merlin1991 | hm now the vm has gone mental | 23:21 |
| merlin1991 | this screenshot is going to be awesome | 23:22 |
| qwazix | merlin1991, the N9/50 have landscape screens by default, so I suppose that this is due to a fix for them, that broke the vm | 23:22 |
| Morpog | faenil, qwazix, strange thing is that in QML Compositor app, when I go there into text input, there the keyboard comes from bottom | 23:24 |
| Morpog | butin landscape style | 23:24 |
| merlin1991 | okay this is the mental bit: http://cdnm.at/~christian/nemo/task-switcher.png and the keyboard: http://cdnm.at/~christian/nemo/keyboard.png | 23:26 |
| merlin1991 | actually looking at the keyboardscreenshot I guess the keyboard slides in in portrait form but from landscape direction | 23:26 |
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| merlin1991 | because the people window does get resized to make space for the keyboard on the bottom | 23:27 |
| Morpog | merlin1991, the mental bit is because of an opacity bug with apps on VM | 23:27 |
| qwazix | AIUI keyboard is a different window which has to be rotated 90deg relative to apps (as apps do their own rotation via accelerometer - correct me if I am wrong) on devices, but the same orientation as the apps on VM | 23:27 |
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| Morpog | see this for a temp fix: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i486-vm | 23:28 |
| merlin1991 | hm I do have the opqueme repo in there | 23:29 |
| merlin1991 | maybe my zypper up broke it again | 23:29 |
| Morpog | yeah, that should break it again | 23:30 |
| merlin1991 | what would be the equivalent of apt-cache policy $package for zypper (it shows the available versions with repo url) | 23:31 |
| merlin1991 | reapplying the opaqueme fix fixed it again | 23:32 |
| qwazix | zypper noob here too... | 23:32 |
| merlin1991 | my apt / dpkg foo has a zen level but zypper is all new for me | 23:32 |
| Morpog | for a start this helps alot: https://en.opensuse.org/images/1/17/Zypper-cheat-sheet-1.pdf | 23:33 |
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| merlin1991 | https://en.opensuse.org/images/3/30/Zypper-cheat-sheet-2.pdf has the bits I'm more interested | 23:36 |
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| Morpog | oh interesting, didn't find taht one yet :) | 23:37 |
| merlin1991 | though the stuff I'm mostly interested are probably on rpm level | 23:38 |
| merlin1991 | and I didn't find a way to get zypper to list me different versions of a package in the cheat sheets | 23:38 |
| merlin1991 | hm found that bit, zypper se -s | 23:39 |
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| faenil | back | 23:44 |
| merlin1991 | hm is the opaqueme "fix" just an older version pre bug? | 23:52 |
| Morpog | yes | 23:54 |
| Morpog | hmm, qqc switch doesn't really work like I thought it would work :D | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | and where do I find docs about tar git? | 23:56 |
| Morpog | sledges, ? | 23:56 |
| faenil | gnight people | 23:57 |
| Morpog | n8 faenil | 23:57 |
| merlin1991 | n8 faenil | 23:58 |
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