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| locusf | hmm it seems that qtwayland now includes the patch to fix the issues with alpha in maliit | 09:40 |
| locusf | I'll test this now | 09:40 |
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| locusf | hmm it didn't work | 09:41 |
| locusf | interesting, ping w00t | 09:41 |
| w00t | make sure the keyboard is 32bit (so with alpha channel) | 09:42 |
| w00t | you probably patched that in the past but i bet it didn't end up applied | 09:42 |
| locusf | 32bit? | 09:43 |
| locusf | btw I have the jolla keyboard now :/ | 09:43 |
| dm8tbr | ARGB | 09:43 |
| locusf | okay | 09:44 |
| locusf | how can I make sure btw, its done in maliit-plugins keyboard? | 09:46 |
| locusf | and the tags don't match: https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=qtwayland&project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel&repository=latest_armv7hl | 09:47 |
| locusf | https://github.com/mer-packages/qtwayland/releases | 09:47 |
| locusf | so I'm not even using the correct qtwayland version | 09:48 |
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| locusf | ok, tested with correct version, same symptom | 09:57 |
| locusf | I hope I didn't trigger the entire nemo world to build :) | 09:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: too bad, you will have to rebuild the glibc | 09:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (kidding) | 09:59 |
| locusf | lol | 09:59 |
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| eekkelund | Morning! Could i have little bit help with removing nemo rootfs and the Alt_os partition?:) | 10:59 |
| eekkelund | with N9 | 10:59 |
| sledges | eekkelund: you sound like you're coming from this: | 11:00 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Removing_Nemo_rootfs_and_the_Alternative_OS_partition | 11:00 |
| sledges | :) | 11:00 |
| eekkelund | Cause moslo said "Removal of Alt_OS partition completed successfully!" but when i booted back to harmattan i didnt get those 4gb back | 11:01 |
| eekkelund | yes ! | 11:01 |
| sledges | eekkelund: please paste `fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -l` from harmattan (or moslo) | 11:08 |
| eekkelund | ok | 11:09 |
| eekkelund | # fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -l Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 15.8 GB, 15896412160 bytes 4 heads, 16 sectors/track, 485120 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 = 32768 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 17 160512 5135872 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary /dev/mmcblk0p2 288513 419584 4194304 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p3 | 11:09 |
| sledges | eekkelund: please use pastee.org next time | 11:10 |
| eekkelund | hah ok :) | 11:10 |
| sledges | please use now :D | 11:11 |
| sledges | your paste got trimmed | 11:11 |
| * sledges wonder how did underlining got enabled randomly &) | 11:11 | |
| eekkelund | http://paste.org/68289 | 11:12 |
| eekkelund | after /dev/mmcblk0p3 there is nothing | 11:13 |
| sledges | well there were numbers that i was after ;) | 11:14 |
| sledges | thanks | 11:14 |
| * sledges looks | 11:14 | |
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| eekkelund | 160512-288512 where are those :D | 11:16 |
| eekkelund | my story is like this: i had old nemo image and i wanted upgrade it to latest. and i thought that safest and easiest would be removing nemo rootfs and altos, and then installing nemo completely again :) | 11:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | eekkelund: no | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | clearly, just remove what's inside altos | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or reformat altos | 11:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and re"flash" nemo in it | 11:21 |
| sledges | eekkelund: he's right | 11:23 |
| eekkelund | yes now i know it, i made little research after my failings:D | 11:24 |
| sledges | eekkelund: just create again partition 4 | 11:24 |
| sledges | start 160513 | 11:24 |
| eekkelund | how? | 11:24 |
| sledges | end 288512 | 11:24 |
| sledges | with fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 | 11:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: isn't modified moslo able to do that automatically ? | 11:24 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: no, because partitions are already resized | 11:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: ah :( | 11:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I never used fdisk thouhg | 11:24 |
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| sledges | i never used anything else :) so sfdisk and parted (at least one of them used by moslo) are mistery to me | 11:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:25 |
| eekkelund | mm.. sorry to be noob with this, could i have more guiding?:) | 11:26 |
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| sledges | eekkelund: launch | 11:26 |
| sledges | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 | 11:26 |
| eekkelund | yes :) | 11:27 |
| sledges | press | 11:27 |
| sledges | n | 11:27 |
| sledges | then | 11:27 |
| sledges | press | 11:27 |
| sledges | p | 11:27 |
| sledges | if does not autoselect, say number 4 | 11:28 |
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| eekkelund | it autoselected | 11:28 |
| eekkelund | then that size?:) | 11:28 |
| sledges | for the start say 160513 | 11:29 |
| sledges | for the end | 11:29 |
| sledges | say | 11:29 |
| sledges | 288512 | 11:29 |
| eekkelund | 160513-288512 likethis? | 11:30 |
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| sledges | eekkelund: no | 11:38 |
| sledges | what is fdisk asking you now? | 11:38 |
| eekkelund | nothing anymore, i did it you told | 11:39 |
| eekkelund | :) | 11:39 |
| sledges | ? | 11:39 |
| eekkelund | i justdont know how to exit..... | 11:39 |
| sledges | press p | 11:39 |
| sledges | see if the layout is ok | 11:39 |
| sledges | (you can pastee it again) | 11:40 |
| eekkelund | i did it how you told* | 11:40 |
| sledges | ah ok, i got scared you entered exactly 160513-288512 :) | 11:40 |
| eekkelund | http://goo.gl/wEp7Fr | 11:41 |
| eekkelund | haha no:D | 11:41 |
| sledges | eekkelund: very good | 11:42 |
| sledges | now press | 11:42 |
| sledges | w | 11:42 |
| eekkelund | !! yeah | 11:42 |
| Merbot | eekkelund: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 11:42 |
| sledges | :D | 11:42 |
| sledges | eekkelund: | 11:43 |
| sledges | it's not over :p | 11:43 |
| eekkelund | oh okay:D | 11:43 |
| sledges | you have to format it | 11:43 |
| sledges | try | 11:43 |
| sledges | `/sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p4` | 11:43 |
| eekkelund | like in wiki | 11:43 |
| sledges | is it? :D | 11:43 |
| eekkelund | i think | 11:44 |
| sledges | yes lol | 11:44 |
| sledges | -L 'Alt_OS' | 11:44 |
| sledges | mkfs.ext4 -L 'Alt_OS' /dev/mmcblk0p4 | 11:44 |
| sledges | that's better | 11:44 |
| sledges | won't get you lost | 11:44 |
| eekkelund | good :D | 11:44 |
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| eekkelund | bin/sh: /sbin/mkfs.ext3: not found | 11:45 |
| sledges | ok, reboot to moslo :D | 11:45 |
| eekkelund | rootfs of altos now exported via usb | 11:48 |
| sledges | so on your host you're in linux i presum ;) | 11:49 |
| sledges | +e | 11:50 |
| eekkelund | yes! | 11:50 |
| sledges | !yes | 11:50 |
| Merbot | sledges: Error: "yes" is not a valid command. | 11:50 |
| sledges | ;) | 11:50 |
| sledges | go to terminal and do | 11:50 |
| sledges | dmesg | tail | 11:51 |
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| eekkelund | like this http://goo.gl/zpx93V | 11:52 |
| eekkelund | ? | 11:52 |
| sledges | very good | 11:53 |
| sledges | now do | 11:53 |
| sledges | sudo mkfs.ext4 -L 'Alt_OS' /dev/mmcblk0p4 | 11:53 |
| sledges | sorry | 11:53 |
| sledges | sudo mkfs.ext4 -L 'Alt_OS' /dev/sdc | 11:53 |
| locusf | already mounted? | 11:54 |
| eekkelund | dev/sdc is entire device, not just one partition! Proceed anyway? (y,n) | 11:54 |
| sledges | y | 11:54 |
| eekkelund | mounted | 11:55 |
| sledges | ? | 11:55 |
| sledges | you mean | 11:55 |
| sledges | after you ran that command | 11:55 |
| sledges | it mounted? | 11:55 |
| sledges | (automounted) | 11:55 |
| sledges | ah | 11:55 |
| sledges | sorry locusf didn't see your question | 11:55 |
| sledges | no, it's not mounted | 11:55 |
| sledges | ;P | 11:55 |
| sledges | eekkelund: ^ | 11:55 |
| sledges | no worries chaps :) | 11:56 |
| eekkelund | dev/sdc is mounted; will not make a filesystem here! | 11:56 |
| eekkelund | now after command | 11:56 |
| locusf | told ya | 11:56 |
| eekkelund | :D | 11:56 |
| sledges | i cannot be mounted sdc: unknown partition table | 11:56 |
| locusf | check dmesg sledges | 11:56 |
| sledges | ext4 | 11:56 |
| sledges | :P | 11:56 |
| sledges | anyway | 11:56 |
| sledges | sudo umount /dev/sdc | 11:56 |
| sledges | ;p | 11:56 |
| sledges | you win locusf | 11:56 |
| sledges | meh this is nuts :D unformatted partition got mounted ;) | 11:57 |
| eekkelund | umounted | 11:57 |
| sledges | good | 11:57 |
| locusf | lol | 11:57 |
| sledges | sudo mkfs.ext4 -L 'Alt_OS' /dev/sdc | 11:57 |
| eekkelund | http://goo.gl/80M6oW | 11:58 |
| sledges | eekkelund: good | 12:00 |
| sledges | all worked | 12:00 |
| sledges | now open your file manager and click on Alt_OS to automount it | 12:00 |
| eekkelund | yeeah!!:D | 12:01 |
| eekkelund | so my n9 was tool of competition?:D | 12:01 |
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| sledges | eekkelund: you know what to do from now ;) | 12:04 |
| eekkelund | one more question?:) what nemo image i should use? i read somewhere that newest one has bugs? | 12:04 |
| sledges | which nemo would you like to try? latest greatest unusable here be dragons? | 12:04 |
| sledges | or a usable but not latest one? | 12:04 |
| locusf | https://db.tt/NAwpxYQg here is latest | 12:05 |
| eekkelund | greatest..?:D | 12:05 |
| sledges | nemo has switched to Qt5 and Wayland | 12:05 |
| sledges | and is currently WiP | 12:05 |
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| locusf | but the icons are cute :) | 12:05 |
| sledges | anyone could contribute, from testing to developing, from graphics design to artwork | 12:05 |
| sledges | i.e. user experience (UX) design navigation/brainstorming, to drawing icons :) | 12:06 |
| sledges | eekkelund: or just click around and update everyday to see what's being worked on ;) | 12:06 |
| locusf | yeah we need people :) | 12:07 |
| sledges | eekkelund: the 'greatest' nemo will look like this: play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SystemUI.png | 12:07 |
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| sledges | that's what's being worked upon | 12:07 |
| eekkelund | that sailfishsdk/nemo looks cool! oh haha yeaah is that that glacier ui? :3 | 12:09 |
| sledges | yes | 12:09 |
| sledges | the choice is yours :} that's what GNU/Linux is all about ;) | 12:09 |
| eekkelund | i would love to help some how, but as you can see^ im not that good..:D | 12:10 |
| sledges | all cards are on the table eekkelund ;) | 12:10 |
| sledges | im sure you're great at least in one above | 12:11 |
| eekkelund | so what do you sledges recommend as greatest image what is now usable?:) | 12:11 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status/Matrix | 12:12 |
| sledges | NEMO WAYLAND STATUS | 12:12 |
| locusf | latest hasnleast bugs thus far | 12:12 |
| stephg | btw I think the light sensor does work I think | 12:13 |
| sledges | eekkelund: just try it out first | 12:13 |
| sledges | will also show you glacier components gallery ;) | 12:13 |
| sledges | which you will have to install manually (we'll tell) | 12:14 |
| stephg | the other week (when I didn't have the wayland stuff installed byt also didn't have the X stuff either, the boot splash definitely changed brightness in different light | 12:14 |
| locusf | stephg: yeah it does work | 12:15 |
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| eekkelund | latest it is then :) thanks a lot sledges and locusf!:)) i hope i could somehow contribute..:) | 12:17 |
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| sledges | enjoy! im sure you will if you like linux in your pocket ;) | 12:21 |
| eekkelund | thanks!:) | 12:25 |
| eekkelund | a lot! | 12:25 |
| sledges | you welcome :) | 12:25 |
| sledges | +'re | 12:25 |
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| eekkelund | i didnt know that people here are so help full:) | 12:28 |
| locusf | we try our best :) | 12:29 |
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| eekkelund | i want to help too, so: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | 12:34 |
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| Morpog_N9_ | it's a great bunch of people | 12:53 |
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| zbenjamin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGz-NIBZwEw lol | 12:55 |
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| zbenjamin | sledges: didn't we talk about the modular phones? | 14:28 |
| zbenjamin | http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/29/motorola-project-ara-modular-smartphone/ | 14:28 |
| zbenjamin | now it happens | 14:28 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: we need one now so we can port nemo to it ;) | 14:29 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: yup read about that #jollamobile and #sailfish :) all over the place! | 14:30 |
| sledges | seen as copycat jolla | 14:30 |
| sledges | but also interesting to read the comments ;) | 14:30 |
| sledges | very skeptic receival of a Lego phone | 14:30 |
| sledges | Sfiet had a point, it's awesome for geeks (remember we all like to assemble our desktops and laptops from bits when we buy them) | 14:31 |
| sledges | but mass market target is under a big question mark | 14:31 |
| zbenjamin | yeah true | 14:31 |
| zbenjamin | well depends, if its easy to replace something that broke | 14:31 |
| zbenjamin | like really removing 2 screws and plug in something new | 14:32 |
| zbenjamin | the phones have to come preassembled of course | 14:32 |
| sledges | the most often thing that breaks in today's mobile phones is the TS+LCD ;) | 14:32 |
| zbenjamin | like mist desktops do | 14:32 |
| zbenjamin | yep | 14:32 |
| sledges | is what im fixing friends' phones 99% | 14:32 |
| zbenjamin | TS? | 14:32 |
| sledges | touchscreen | 14:32 |
| zbenjamin | ah touchscreen ;) | 14:32 |
| sledges | but replaceability feature is attractive (like the other half, but taken to another level) | 14:33 |
| sledges | and modular design HW wise i always said looks like a terra incognita, and very interested what motorola would come up | 14:33 |
| sledges | and whether they will make other businesses chip in (literally ;)) | 14:33 |
| zbenjamin | heh ;) | 14:33 |
| zbenjamin | well it targets android, so we should be able to run on it | 14:34 |
| zbenjamin | if its not locked down | 14:34 |
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| zbenjamin | but how totally wrong would it be to build a modular phone but close the sw down , maybe we even look at the next nexus | 14:35 |
| zbenjamin | thats perfect for a developer phone, just replace the slow cpu and pack in some memory and you are good to go | 14:35 |
| mord | making something like that available would make no sense without coordinating with module manufacturers so that an array of pluggable bits were available at launch | 14:36 |
| mord | just the promise of "you can replace this thing here" is unlikely to win any buyers if no options are immediately available | 14:37 |
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| sledges | but no 3rd party manufacturer will build anything before launch | 14:43 |
| sledges | so motorola will have to produce a sufficient bunch of modules themselves | 14:44 |
| sledges | and make it deliberately cheap ;) so other can 'produce a better replacement' :) | 14:45 |
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| locusf | is there a way to tweak github emails? | 15:01 |
| sledges | filter? | 15:16 |
| locusf | yeah | 15:19 |
| locusf | filter worked ok | 15:20 |
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| alterego | I was talking about modular phones last week. | 15:49 |
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| alterego | I was thinking that screens, which are a substantial cost, don't really have to be replaced from phone-to-phone. | 15:50 |
| alterego | I'd be happy with an 800x480 still. | 15:50 |
| sledges | we were talking that screen is the most frequently broken bit | 15:51 |
| sledges | defeats the purpose of modular design from that perspective | 15:51 |
| sledges | but surely there are other benefits | 15:52 |
| alterego | It might be, but by separating those components, you're free to replace each as you wish. | 15:53 |
| alterego | And you don't have to buy a whole new phone, which is what most normal people do when they break a screen .. | 15:53 |
| sledges | true, (even though you just said that screens don't really have to be replaced from phone-to-phone) | 15:54 |
| sledges | but the point was - all other bits on the phone practically don't break | 15:54 |
| alterego | Yes | 15:54 |
| sledges | ratio of camera lens to LCD broken is ~1:100 | 15:54 |
| sledges | etc | 15:55 |
| alterego | Plus, if you're careful, then you don't have to replace your screen and you could just upgrade the device module. | 15:55 |
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| alterego | I'd like a 3 tiered device. 1) Screen. 2) Device. 3) Battery & Connectivity, Camera, Speakers, etc. | 15:55 |
| sledges | never-the-less, testing your phone underwater causes different bits to stop working (but not all) | 15:56 |
| alterego | We're talking about waterproof phones now? :) | 15:56 |
| sledges | or a friend drove over his phone while parking, replaced the screen, but GPS never worked again | 15:56 |
| sledges | no, we are talking about conventional - the non-waterproof ones | 15:57 |
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| alterego | Probably cracked the antenna. | 15:57 |
| sledges | im sure he checked that (my ex colleague), lol worth pointing out | 15:57 |
| alterego | Well, it'd be the most obvious thing I guess, as it's the largest part of a GPS setup. | 15:59 |
| alterego | And GPS antenna are extremely sensitive :) | 15:59 |
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| locusf | humm interesting stuff on UX, could you take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEvhxJKTQK8 Morpog_N9_ qwazix and tell me about your thoughts reflecting this view of UX to Glacier? | 16:06 |
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| * zbenjamin is so busy these days... not even time for nemo stuff :( | 16:09 | |
| locusf | also the second part is quite interesting too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCpp0W-znJ0 | 16:09 |
| locusf | zbenjamin: me too, figuring out my thesis stuff + exams | 16:09 |
| locusf | I should continue on the slider | 16:10 |
| zbenjamin | locusf: lots of stuff to do @ work ... | 16:10 |
| locusf | zbenjamin: ah you're at work stuff, good :) | 16:10 |
| zbenjamin | also on moving my gf's stuff away from her second apartment | 16:11 |
| zbenjamin | fixing lots of stuff on my house | 16:11 |
| zbenjamin | preparing to hopefully sell it next year | 16:11 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | zbenjamin, locusf same | 16:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no time for Nemo :( | 16:17 |
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| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: didn't you have the project work on Nemo? | 16:21 |
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| faenil | yo | 19:28 |
| locusf | hey | 19:28 |
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| alterego | Kind of wish my computer had eye tracking. | 19:37 |
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| qwazix | locusf, I don't necessarily agree with the guy... | 20:58 |
| qwazix | I mean all the theory has some sense, but when he started talking about products, I think he kind of lost it, or used a wrong example | 20:59 |
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| qwazix | The iPhone especially is something that one could say is being designed with that philosophy in mind. It isn't the multitouch that made the iPhone great, nor kinetic scrolling. It's that the average person could do so many things easily and worry-free. | 21:01 |
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| qwazix | Stay connected, capture photos, surf the internet... | 21:02 |
| qwazix | (yeah there were smartphones before the iPhone but I don't know anybody who even knew his N95 could do email) | 21:02 |
| qwazix | This whole design philosophy however means hiding things from the user, locking him down, and we don't want to do that. We're always going to be an enthusiast mobile OS, and people like us like to experience the technology as is. | 21:05 |
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| qwazix | So in a way, we're still thinking about our users' experience when we expose our technology at the outer level. It might sound silly but it's an awesome experience for any geek to see the terminal front and center when he navigates to the app grid :) | 21:08 |
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| * ryukafalz agrees with the terminal thing :P | 21:12 | |
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| alterego | I think the average user of high-end smart phones is probably someone that wants a terminal. | 21:18 |
| alterego | Sysadmins, etc. | 21:18 |
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| ryukafalz | Now that I'm not sure I agree with. In my experience the average user of high-end smartphones is someone who doesn't know anything about phones but just bought the fancy new thing | 21:22 |
| alterego | Yeah, thinking about it, you're probably right. I'm just going by my nerd friends ... | 21:24 |
| alterego | I suppose I know a few girls with S3s and one non-tech gamer type with a S4 | 21:24 |
| alterego | My nerd friends seem to love the Nexus 4 | 21:24 |
| alterego | 3 of them got the same one. | 21:24 |
| alterego | I still lean slightly towards maybe an Xperia Z | 21:25 |
| alterego | As my next hybris experiment :) | 21:25 |
| ryukafalz | Oh, I wish I had a Nexus 4 | 21:25 |
| ryukafalz | My current phone is a CDMA Galaxy Nexus | 21:25 |
| ryukafalz | And our nerd friends are very rarely an indicator of the general population ;) | 21:26 |
| alterego | Meh, they don't care | 21:26 |
| alterego | Because they don't care :P | 21:26 |
| alterego | Hrm, I should have said: They do not matter, because they don't care :) | 21:26 |
| alterego | Both groups require the same things, it's just one requires a bit more. | 21:26 |
| ryukafalz | haha yep | 21:26 |
| alterego | This is why I like the "developer mode" or "power user" mode or something. | 21:27 |
| alterego | I quite like how they hide it in Android and in Harmattan, but it's there if you need it. | 21:27 |
| ryukafalz | Android's is clever, confused me when it disappeared after an update though | 21:28 |
| ryukafalz | How does Harmattan do it? | 21:28 |
| zbenjamin | i would always prefer a nexus, you don'T need to jailbreak it | 21:28 |
| * ryukafalz also wishes he had an N9 | 21:28 | |
| alterego | Meh, I've not jailbroken my Nexus 7 | 21:29 |
| ryukafalz | My N7 is running Android, Ubuntu Touch, and Plasma Active | 21:29 |
| alterego | Just unlocked the bootloader, that's all I care about really. I don't like Android, and don't plan on using it on there for much longer. | 21:29 |
| zbenjamin | ryukafalz: N9 seems to die atm, we can't get a decent performance out of the driver | 21:29 |
| alterego | My goal is to have Mer installed on the device, with my own UI, side-by-side with Android, so I can use the applications from the Android install, from within my Mer based system. | 21:30 |
| alterego | Simples. :) | 21:30 |
| alterego | That way I can use all the Android apps I use (all 4 of them) and I have a much nicer system to use as my tablet. | 21:31 |
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| zbenjamin | alterego: sounds just like sailfish ;) | 21:32 |
| alterego | My own hobby UX | 21:32 |
| alterego | It's more of a research project really. | 21:32 |
| alterego | I don't plan on using any sailfish specific stuff. | 21:33 |
| ryukafalz | alterego: I just hope I'll be able to get a Mer/Android dual-boot going haha | 21:34 |
| ryukafalz | running multirom on my N7 at the moment | 21:34 |
| alterego | ryukafalz: on what device? | 21:34 |
| alterego | Ah N7 | 21:34 |
| alterego | Well, that's what I'm working on right now actually :) | 21:34 |
| ryukafalz | There's an image packer for Plasma Active images, which are Mer-based, but I'm not sure how much of it is PA-specific | 21:34 |
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| alterego | Wouldn't take much to change a .ks to use wayland and nemo ux. | 21:35 |
| alterego | Several people have managed it already. | 21:35 |
| alterego | My current work is making it easier for people to create and customise their own adaptations for these devices. | 21:36 |
| alterego | Effectively with one command, it creates kernel, libhybris, configs and adaptation packages for a chosen Android device. They are branched in your own git repo. It creates OBS packages using git-pkg and will submit them to your OBS project. | 21:37 |
| ryukafalz | Ooh, cool | 21:37 |
| alterego | Not done completely yet, but it will also create a wireframe/template .ks to get you started. | 21:37 |
| ryukafalz | The device I'm really interested in running Nemo on is my Galaxy Nexus, so I'll be taking a look at that myself later on :P | 21:38 |
| ryukafalz | since it is supported by cyanogenmod | 21:38 |
| alterego | I'm working on an initramfs at the moment, allows easy flashing and debugging. | 21:38 |
| ryukafalz | but it seems like I'm always busy when I stop in here haha | 21:38 |
| alterego | Yeah, cyanogen repos are what I'm using for this. | 21:39 |
| ryukafalz | I'm looking forward to giving it a try :) | 21:39 |
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| alterego | Well, configs done, kernel is done, libhybris is done, once I've done initramfs, it's then on to the base images. | 21:40 |
| ryukafalz | If that really does make it easy to get Nemo up and running on devices supported by cyanogen, it'll be huge | 21:40 |
| ryukafalz | because that's how many devices? ;) | 21:40 |
| alterego | I think 170 | 21:40 |
| alterego | But there are issues, can't target all of them just yet. | 21:40 |
| ryukafalz | Ahh okay | 21:40 |
| alterego | The sources are a mess and inconsitent so allowances have to be made for some devices, currently I've got a black list of 10. | 21:41 |
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| ryukafalz | Still way better than what we have for native support haha | 21:41 |
| alterego | Some kernel trees are not clean and have kernel images in the source tree. | 21:41 |
| alterego | The kernels are supplied by different vendors, and are subject to whatever spoon of an idea they come up with for organisation and structure. | 21:42 |
| ryukafalz | heh | 21:42 |
| alterego | This is why no Android kernel is 1/1 with mainline Linux. | 21:42 |
| alterego | That and the Google Android extensions to the kernel that are not also in Linux. | 21:42 |
| alterego | And finally, some devices are too old and wont work with libhybris, so modifications to libhybris would need to be made to support older Android versions. | 21:43 |
| ryukafalz | Weren't they working on merging those upstream? | 21:43 |
| alterego | Maybe, about 4 years ago. | 21:43 |
| alterego | No one is going to want "Android" in the Linux kernel ;) | 21:44 |
| alterego | Features they have implemented, extended, whatever, would need to be named generically, and that's only if they're welcome. For instance, I'm not really sure I see much point in having the RAM logger they have in the kernel. | 21:45 |
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| ryukafalz | hmm | 21:46 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | trying make image for n9 from Wayland kickstartfile but fails with repo problem: pattern:nemo-n950-wayland-.noarch requires pattern:nemo-complete-wayland, but this requirement cannot be provided, uninstallable providers: pattern:nemo-complete-wayland-.noarch[nemo-ux] | 21:46 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | ?? | 21:46 |
| alterego | But like I said, that's only half the problem, at least Google are consistent with what they do. But unfortunately what vendors do with Android rarely is. CyanogenMod is handly, because they ease the differences between these vendor abominations. But it looks like even they have given up on creating an "uber-clean-kernel" which it looks like they were doing until not-so-long ago. | 21:47 |
| alterego | But now they just patch vendor trees . | 21:47 |
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| alterego | You need to maintain binary compatibility with the proprietary-blobs you see :) | 21:49 |
| alterego | Otherwise nothing will work ;) | 21:49 |
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| vgrade | \o | 21:50 |
| alterego | I guess my hope would be, that Mer running on all these things, will make chipset manufactures realise that it would be much better if they wrote and released better code. | 21:50 |
| alterego | And pushed it upstream. | 21:51 |
| alterego | Hey vgrade, how goes it? | 21:51 |
| vgrade | ok. trainig course this week, so double work | 21:52 |
| vgrade | you | 21:52 |
| alterego | yeah, busy, trying to be more active too, going swimming three days a week, two mornings and one evening. | 21:54 |
| alterego | And trying to stay out of the pub ;) | 21:54 |
| alterego | What's the training for? | 21:54 |
| vgrade | palamida, license scanning tool | 21:55 |
| vgrade | grep + 80TB OSS database | 21:56 |
| alterego | Hah | 21:56 |
| alterego | That sounds wonderful. | 21:56 |
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| vgrade | tool is ok, more intersting is watching the auditing process being done | 21:57 |
| alterego | Well, as long as it's not like watching paint drying ;) | 21:57 |
| vgrade | the manual step once the code has been scanned | 21:58 |
| alterego | Like the 50th time I compiled Linux over the past few days ;) | 21:58 |
| vgrade | quite interesting findings we've made, things we did not expect to find | 21:59 |
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| vgrade | block of code pasted into a larger block from some random guys blog! | 22:00 |
| vgrade | programming by google | 22:00 |
| alterego | Hah | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | i really think that if an accurate analysis and enforcement of copyright in all computer code was done, we'd have to start from scratch | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ie, back to the dark ages | 22:01 |
| alterego | Yeah | 22:01 |
| alterego | We should make all the keys on your keyboard finger print readers, so we can encode your biometric data into your source code as you type :) | 22:02 |
| alterego | Or just get rid of software patents .. | 22:02 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: been slow progress today, lawyers involved | 22:05 |
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| alterego | Well, this looks positive. | 22:05 |
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| alterego | No back to doing kickstarts, then I'm done! | 22:09 |
| alterego | ~Now .. | 22:09 |
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