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| faenil | o/ | 08:57 |
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| locusf | hey | 09:06 |
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| faenil | locusf, how comes bezier is not ok? | 09:07 |
| locusf | faenil: ? | 09:07 |
| faenil | I read on backlog you said bezier is not enough | 09:07 |
| locusf | faenil: it is enough | 09:07 |
| faenil | ok | 09:07 |
| locusf | faenil: got it working | 09:07 |
| faenil | ok, good ;) | 09:08 |
| locusf | now I gotta follow some lectures now, abt 8 hrs of video lectures for exams | 09:08 |
| faenil | ;) I'm working on uni project | 09:10 |
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| mric_ | hey sledges, | 10:12 |
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| stephg | morning everyone | 11:04 |
| stephg | oh | 11:04 |
| stephg | afternoon! | 11:04 |
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| locusf | now I gotta follow some lectures now, abt 8 hrs of video lectures for exams | 11:09 |
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| locusf | hmm sorry | 11:10 |
| stephg | quick question for anyone | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 11:10 |
| locusf | do ask | 11:10 |
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| stephg | is an uptodate nemo currently have a broken unx | 11:13 |
| stephg | ux | 11:13 |
| stephg | even | 11:13 |
| stephg | I've zypper dup'd and the device boots but I'm stuck at the nemo splash screen: networking etc works though | 11:13 |
| locusf | did you follow the update guide? | 11:14 |
| stephg | yeah, this is your image from like 3 days ago | 11:14 |
| locusf | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating | 11:14 |
| stephg | yep | 11:14 |
| locusf | hmm | 11:15 |
| locusf | what does journalctl say? | 11:15 |
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| * stephg is learning lots of new commands today | 11:16 | |
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| stephg | just reading | 11:16 |
| sandy_locke|m | stephg: you need to replqce the old x11 drivers with the wayland ones | 11:17 |
| stephg | Jan 01 02:00:16 localhost maliit-server[509]: CRITICAL: Failed to create display (Connection refused) | 11:17 |
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| sandy_locke|m | don't remember the procedure, but it's as simple as deinstalling the old x11 drivers, the new wayland ones will install automatically | 11:18 |
| locusf | stephg: zypper in --force nemo-configs-n950-n9-wayland | 11:19 |
| stephg | already done that, was already there | 11:19 |
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| stephg | let me do that again and reboot | 11:19 |
| locusf | ok we have somehing new broken then | 11:20 |
| locusf | ok | 11:20 |
| sandy_locke|m | locusf: no, there are a few packages that need to be removed | 11:20 |
| sandy_locke|m | i went through that | 11:20 |
| locusf | sandy_locke|m: hmm interesting | 11:20 |
| stephg | have you got a string I can grep for sandy_locke? | 11:21 |
| stephg | yep still the splashscreen on reboot | 11:21 |
| sandy_locke|m | stephg: i don't remember, someone here gave me the commands | 11:21 |
| sandy_locke|m | locusf: what are the packages serving x11? there must be around 6 of them | 11:22 |
| locusf | there shouldn't be any | 11:22 |
| stephg | all of my mesa-llvm are either wayland or GL/GLES | 11:23 |
| sandy_locke|m | I'll check the logs of the chan, let me reach my computer :) | 11:23 |
| sandy_locke|m | away for 2 min | 11:23 |
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| stephg | locusf, zypper in --force nemo-configs-n950-n9-waylan | 11:24 |
| stephg | no | 11:24 |
| stephg | not that | 11:24 |
| stephg | locusf, nemo-n950-rnd-20131310.tar.bz2 is what I installed | 11:24 |
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| stephg | and that booted fine, but a zypper ref; zypper dup has since broken something | 11:24 |
| stephg | I don't believe the X11 stuff as I don't even think it's in that image any more? | 11:24 |
| locusf | you apparently need to use pkcon | 11:25 |
| sandy_locke | stephg, I went into the same thing a few days ago, after a zypper dup | 11:25 |
| locusf | or not | 11:25 |
| stephg | that's what the install doc says | 11:25 |
| locusf | hmm | 11:25 |
| sandy_locke | let me check the logs | 11:25 |
| sandy_locke | I give you the commands | 11:25 |
| stephg | there is no pkcon in the image | 11:25 |
| locusf | yeah | 11:25 |
| stephg | now installing PackageKit | 11:27 |
| stephg | ooh off we go | 11:28 |
| sandy_locke | stephg, found it | 11:28 |
| sandy_locke | zypper rm mesa-llvmpipe* | 11:28 |
| sandy_locke | the command don't work | 11:28 |
| sandy_locke | you need to uninstall by hand every mesa-llvmpipe packages | 11:28 |
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| sandy_locke | zypper se mesa | 11:28 |
| locusf | ah that migt bbe it | 11:29 |
| sandy_locke | and you need then to install the ti-omap3-sgx package | 11:29 |
| sandy_locke | if it does not install automatically | 11:30 |
| stephg | cool yes | 11:30 |
| stephg | so the pkcon command apparently does all that for you :) | 11:30 |
| sandy_locke | :) | 11:30 |
| sandy_locke | yup, I was pleasantly surprised too :) | 11:30 |
| stephg | it's removed all the mesa-llvmpipe packages and added the hardware adaptation :) | 11:30 |
| locusf | good | 11:31 |
| stephg | cool | 11:32 |
| stephg | locusf, your image, is that still from a custom ks file? | 11:33 |
| locusf | stephg: no, its from pattern ks | 11:33 |
| stephg | aha | 11:34 |
| stephg | wonder why it doesn't have PackageKit then | 11:34 |
| locusf | yup | 11:35 |
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| locusf | stephg: so it worked ok now? | 11:42 |
| stephg | yep | 11:46 |
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| stephg | it's all fine now | 11:46 |
| stephg | (also the documentation does say zypper in PackageKit | 11:46 |
| stephg | (just not in the code section) | 11:46 |
| locusf | okay | 11:46 |
| stephg | thanks | 11:52 |
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| locusf | np | 12:23 |
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| ArcherN9 | errr | 13:57 |
| faenil | grrr | 13:57 |
| ArcherN9 | Using Qt 1.2.1 on a RPM based distro is possible right? | 13:58 |
| ArcherN9 | Website says I need Ubuntu :-/ | 13:58 |
| alterego | Do you mean Qt 1.2.1? | 14:01 |
| alterego | You mean SDK or Creator, or? | 14:01 |
| ArcherN9 | SDK | 14:02 |
| ArcherN9 | http://developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html | 14:02 |
| alterego | You downloaded the offline installer? | 14:03 |
| ArcherN9 | Haven't downloaded anything yet. | 14:03 |
| alterego | What are you developing for? | 14:03 |
| ArcherN9 | MeeGo | 14:03 |
| alterego | Harmattan? You might be best asking in #maemo | 14:03 |
| ArcherN9 | :( | 14:03 |
| ArcherN9 | Yes, Harmattan. | 14:04 |
| alterego | If you want to target Sailfish or Nemo, then you'll want the Sailfish SDK | 14:04 |
| ArcherN9 | Haven't loaded up Nemo on my N9 yet. | 14:04 |
| ArcherN9 | scared :P | 14:04 |
| ArcherN9 | What if I brick it :O | 14:04 |
| alterego | They're pretty solid | 14:04 |
| alterego | Provided you've backed up your data flashing is nothing to be afraid of :) | 14:04 |
| ArcherN9 | Data is not the issue. | 14:05 |
| ArcherN9 | How much time does it take to flash it? | 14:05 |
| alterego | Then don't worry about bricking it, seriously. | 14:05 |
| ArcherN9 | Ookhai :D | 14:05 |
| alterego | Well, probably take you about an hour to get to grips with what you're doing, then another one to pursuade your self to go through with it :P | 14:05 |
| ArcherN9 | hahaha | 14:06 |
| ArcherN9 | Okay. XD | 14:06 |
| alterego | I would recommend installing the Mer SDK, and learning how to build your own flashable image. | 14:06 |
| alterego | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Armv7hl_Development_Guide | 14:06 |
| ArcherN9 | I downloaded the Mer SDK.. and set up everything.. fuckin Fedora update killed everything. | 14:06 |
| alterego | Eek | 14:07 |
| ArcherN9 | Had to format /boot and / | 14:07 |
| ArcherN9 | everything is lost :( | 14:07 |
| alterego | Oh no, I hope you had that system backed up? | 14:07 |
| ArcherN9 | My personal data .. yes. /home is fine. | 14:07 |
| alterego | Or were able to get off your $HOME ;) | 14:07 |
| ArcherN9 | O yea :D | 14:07 |
| ArcherN9 | Linux wonders hehe ":) | 14:08 |
| alterego | Well, setting up the SDK is easy anyway, just redownload the SDK rootfs and unpack it in to /opt | 14:08 |
| alterego | Or wherever you prefer. | 14:08 |
| alterego | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Mer_platform_SDK | 14:09 |
| alterego | ;) | 14:09 |
| alterego | But you're already ahead if you've done it before :) | 14:09 |
| ArcherN9 | yea.. won't take as much time as did the last time :P | 14:11 |
| ArcherN9 | Should be simple to fly through it :D | 14:12 |
| ArcherN9 | I'll need directions though -_- | 14:12 |
| ArcherN9 | Lucky me, the guide is awesome ;) | 14:12 |
| alterego | I think a lot of it is fear, but don't be afraid, you really are unlikely to do anything bad. And if you have any questions that's why we're here ;) | 14:12 |
| ArcherN9 | :D | 14:12 |
| alterego | So what are you interested in hacking on? | 14:16 |
| ArcherN9 | I'm not sure :P | 14:18 |
| alterego | Do you know Qt/C++, QML? | 14:18 |
| ArcherN9 | I'm a hybrid app developer (learning).... I just want to help step towards brining sailfish to N9 | 14:18 |
| ArcherN9 | Nup | 14:18 |
| ArcherN9 | I know JS / jquery / HTML5 though. | 14:18 |
| ArcherN9 | Ajax and stuff. | 14:19 |
| alterego | Ah, cool. | 14:19 |
| alterego | Well, we can always do with more apps, and there's no reason why you can't make a HTML5 app inside a simple Qt/QML launcher. | 14:19 |
| alterego | Might be a nice place to start for you to get to grips with packaging and all that :) | 14:19 |
| ArcherN9 | Yea. | 14:20 |
| locusf | nice, more contributors, welcome ArcherN9 :) | 14:22 |
| ArcherN9 | Thanks LocusF :) | 14:23 |
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| faenil | more contributors! \o/ | 14:35 |
| alterego | How's UI work coming along? | 14:36 |
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| alterego | I'm working on booting Mer on android stuff at the moment, but might be able to help you guys with UI stuff at some point. | 14:37 |
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| locusf | slowly but steady | 14:40 |
| faenil | alterego, working on it :) | 14:40 |
| faenil | alterego, working on orientation handling | 14:45 |
| faenil | got stuck thinking about what could be sane to offer | 14:45 |
| alterego | Yeah, really would like to see that working properly on N950 ;) | 14:46 |
| faenil | like a way to only lock orientation? or a way to offer both "allowedOrientations" and be able to change orientation? | 14:46 |
| faenil | but then if you have a qml property and you change it, and that orientation property is now allowed how do you act? the qml property is now invalid, have to fall back to the previous value, but how do you keep that updated without binding loops? | 14:47 |
| faenil | all that kind of stuff :D | 14:47 |
| alterego | Well, orientation I think should be done by the compositor. | 14:48 |
| alterego | But no one seems to want to do it that way, I'm sure there are good reasons, probably because it requires a bit more work than just doing it all in QML. | 14:48 |
| faenil | alterego, compositor sends orientation changed signals | 14:48 |
| alterego | Ah, well that's good. What about orientation change inhibition, does it have any code there? | 14:49 |
| faenil | you have to setUpdateOrientationMask on your main.cpp to have that signalling working | 14:49 |
| faenil | (which is default behaviour in Qt5) | 14:50 |
| alterego | Awesome, | 14:50 |
| alterego | So are you just exposing that to QML? | 14:50 |
| faenil | well, the orientation change is already exposed via Screen.orientation | 14:50 |
| faenil | (QScreen, not mdeclscree :P) | 14:51 |
| alterego | Thinking too much about the actual value of orientation, rather than the changes in screen dimensions is probably a bad idea. If you want to have the best possible looking transitions you're going to have to tell the window to change it's viewport size before you start rendering things moving. | 14:51 |
| faenil | not following | 14:52 |
| alterego | Well, don't worry about that, does lipstick do any orientation stuff? | 14:52 |
| faenil | no, explain | 14:52 |
| faenil | lipstick signals orientation change | 14:52 |
| alterego | Okay, well your window is composited for say portrait orientation, when the device detects a change in orientation, the window should update itself, but that update should not be shown by the compositor until it has changed it's viewport size. | 14:53 |
| faenil | alterego, https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/commit/c6b9e3b53c7c51a69192725dc74a22f40dbe3db1 | 14:54 |
| alterego | That way when you start rendering orientation change transitions, you're setup with the last frame in portrait, and you have the new frame in landscape, allowing you to do nice transitions between the two without getting any silly artifacts or rendering glitches. | 14:54 |
| alterego | You want to have the best possible control over the rendering. | 14:54 |
| alterego | At least that's what I would have thought :) | 14:54 |
| faenil | what's bad in having a rotating qml item? (which is how silica does it as well, they have rotating pages actually) | 14:55 |
| alterego | Maybe w00t could shed some light in this area. I've never felt completely comfortable having that done at the app level, though that is generally how things have been done in the past. | 14:56 |
| faenil | we discussed this with aknight already 1-2 weeks ago, you can find it in the backlog ;) | 14:56 |
| faenil | well, because it's easier | 14:57 |
| faenil | and I couldn't see a need for complicating stuff...but if you show me... :) | 14:57 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 14:58 |
| alterego | Okay, here's my idea. In lipstick QML, monitor for orientation changes, if you're viewing the homescreen, then check for orientation lock setting from system (dconf?) configuration. | 15:00 |
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| alterego | If you're in an app, then check for app level orientation lock in dconf or from a window flag. | 15:01 |
| alterego | I think personally I prefer the window attribute method wrt that. | 15:01 |
| faenil | alterego, doesn't that make life more difficult for app developers? | 15:03 |
| faenil | and also, how does it make it easier/better for us' | 15:03 |
| alterego | Anyway, if the configuration says you should do an actual orientation, lipstick QML stores the current windows framebuffer in a temporary QML Image item. It then tells the window the orientation and viewport dimensions have changed, the app updates, when the app has updated it sends a message to lipstick saying it's finished it's viewport re-rendering. That is when you do your orientation transitioning in lipstick QML, where you can use the buffere | 15:03 |
| alterego | It doesn't make it more difficult if you add this code into your UI plugin. | 15:03 |
| faenil | second question? :) | 15:04 |
| alterego | :) | 15:04 |
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| alterego | Unless someone has a compelling argument for doing it the "standard" way, which isn't just it's a bit easier. ;) | 15:07 |
| alterego | If you like, I could have a look at implementing it? I can't see it taking to long to at least come up with some code you can then refine and include. | 15:07 |
| alterego | That's if you don't fancy getting your hands a little dirty with wayland and lipstick. ;) | 15:08 |
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| faenil | well, I already have the qml alternative working | 15:13 |
| faenil | just trying to offer sane API for devs | 15:13 |
| alterego | Well, in the end that is all that matters. | 15:13 |
| faenil | i.e. letting them change BOTH allwoedOrientations AND orientation (which should respect allowedOrientations) | 15:13 |
| faenil | Silica only does allowedOrientations so far | 15:13 |
| alterego | Hmmm | 15:14 |
| faenil | changing orientation property doesn't do anything from what I can see in the QML code shipped with the latest sdk release | 15:14 |
| faenil | (which surely is outdated) | 15:14 |
| alterego | But it's there? | 15:14 |
| faenil | it's got an orientation property, but it's just used to report current orientation | 15:15 |
| faenil | there's nothing attached to its changed signal, from what I could see | 15:15 |
| alterego | You know you can cheat, you can have a listener on orientation property changed signal in QML, which pushes the state of "allowedOrientations" to some cache somewhere, then explicitly sets allowedOrientations to the one orientation you want to allow. | 15:16 |
| alterego | Hmm, I still think maybe it should be readonly though. | 15:16 |
| faenil | eh, you see the problem ;) | 15:16 |
| alterego | Yes, | 15:17 |
| alterego | Maybe adding "defaultAllowedOrientations" property would help. | 15:17 |
| faenil | I already have allowedOrientation on c++ side, so that I can do sanity checking | 15:17 |
| faenil | it's there already | 15:17 |
| faenil | that doesn't change things much | 15:17 |
| alterego | Ah, so there shouldn't be a problem, as long as when you set "orientation" to "Auto" it reinstates allowed from defaults. | 15:18 |
| faenil | by setting orientation to auto you're implying orientation is for locking | 15:18 |
| alterego | Yes, isn't that expected behaviour? You're "setting the orientation" :) | 15:19 |
| faenil | while it's not, the way I'm seeing it | 15:19 |
| faenil | you set the orientation to an orientation value | 15:19 |
| faenil | not to Auto :D | 15:19 |
| faenil | i.e. if you set it to Landscape, it doesn't mean it's locked in landscape | 15:19 |
| faenil | it just means you wanted to rotate the screen | 15:20 |
| alterego | Well, I think it should be ;) | 15:20 |
| faenil | well, it's two different properties | 15:20 |
| faenil | isn't allowedOrientations for locking already? | 15:20 |
| alterego | The way I see it: allowed orientation property has say ["TopUp", "RightUp"], then when you assign to "orientation" you can only use those two values. | 15:21 |
| alterego | Or the special value "Auto" which basically makes it use QSensors | 15:21 |
| faenil | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-page.html#allowedOrientations-prop | 15:21 |
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| alterego | Either way, the value of orientation can only ever be one of the allowed orientations, or auto to signify system level handling. | 15:22 |
| faenil | see link | 15:22 |
| faenil | (as we don't want to confuse developers when porting stuff from sailfish to nemo, if they ever will) | 15:23 |
| alterego | Sure, and this wont break any of their code. | 15:23 |
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| alterego | It just makes it a bit more flexible if they want. | 15:23 |
| faenil | actually not, it gives different semantics | 15:23 |
| alterego | Sure, but it shouldn't break any compatibility ;) | 15:24 |
| faenil | they're used to changing allowedOrientation to lock orientation | 15:24 |
| alterego | And that should still work. | 15:24 |
| faenil | and now they should use orientation | 15:24 |
| faenil | yes but not with the same meaning | 15:24 |
| alterego | Well, you have two choices, you either copy their API completely, or you come up with your own. | 15:25 |
| alterego | If you're going to base it on Sailfish API, then do it :P | 15:25 |
| faenil | yes I was, for what's easily doable | 15:25 |
| faenil | because of the points above | 15:25 |
| alterego | Also, don't forget that nemo ui plugin can be installed on sailfish, giving app developers access to your ui stuff anyway .. | 15:26 |
| faenil | I don't think we can afford coming up with our own, or it will discourage ports | 15:26 |
| faenil | so? | 15:26 |
| alterego | Why port? The stuff should all just run out-of-the-box ;) | 15:26 |
| faenil | no way, we are basing on top of QQC, silica is based on qtcomponents from what I could see | 15:26 |
| faenil | most of the classed have and will have different names (for obvious reasons) | 15:27 |
| faenil | so, oob port is not contemplated :D | 15:27 |
| alterego | I think you're thinking too much :P | 15:27 |
| faenil | lol | 15:28 |
| alterego | Just code damnit :P | 15:28 |
| faenil | I don't like coding without planning :) | 15:28 |
| alterego | Get things working, then when we can properly test use cases for moving apps between sailfish and nemo. | 15:28 |
| alterego | We can then adapt things to work better. | 15:28 |
| alterego | Well, you can keep planning, for the rest of your life if you like :P | 15:29 |
| faenil | "It may be used to tailor UI layout to match the current orientation" | 15:29 |
| faenil | so, I'd say Silica orientation is readonly, even if it's not declared as such in QML | 15:29 |
| alterego | Yes, that is the impression the docs give. | 15:30 |
| faenil | yeah, I've declared as readonly | 15:30 |
| alterego | All I suggested is extending the API a little, you're still compatible. | 15:30 |
| faenil | well, I was trying to extend API as well, by letting devs change orientation as well | 15:33 |
| faenil | we just have different opinions on what orientation should do :D | 15:33 |
| alterego | I guess it doesn't matter anyway, because setting orientation like I suggested is effectively the same as setting allowedOrientations, it's just in my mind it takes a bit more work for app developers to temporarily lock the orientation if they wanted to. | 15:33 |
| faenil | true | 15:33 |
| alterego | And in the end, who is this API for. | 15:33 |
| faenil | I was thinking instead what if they just want to rotate UI without locking it | 15:34 |
| alterego | Hrm, but that doesn't work. | 15:34 |
| faenil | works until you rotate the phone ;) | 15:34 |
| alterego | You're explicitly locking it when you're ignoring the sensors. | 15:34 |
| faenil | you're not ignoring the sensors | 15:34 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's confusing, why would anyone want or expect the device to work like that? | 15:34 |
| faenil | alterego, we don't and we shouldn't know, it's app developers freedom :) | 15:35 |
| alterego | Well, edge cases like that, can be hacked directly by devs if they want. | 15:35 |
| alterego | Not sure I see much point in implementing it as a framework feature though. | 15:35 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 15:36 |
| faenil | anyway, what if you want to see current orientation with your way instead | 15:36 |
| faenil | you have to check screen.orientation if it's auto, or orientation property if it's locked | 15:37 |
| alterego | Well, "orientation" should always be set to the actual orientation. | 15:37 |
| faenil | that's not best of convenience either | 15:37 |
| faenil | no, you said you set it to Auto | 15:37 |
| faenil | how do you know the current orientation once that's set to auto? | 15:37 |
| alterego | Yes, but that's semantic, "orientation" will never actually be Auto. | 15:37 |
| alterego | When you set it to Auto, you're telling it to reflect sensor based orientation from allowedOrientations. | 15:38 |
| alterego | Think of Auto as a virtual value. | 15:38 |
| faenil | yes I got what you want | 15:38 |
| faenil | but that's not very clean, there should be an automaticOrientation maybe | 15:38 |
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| alterego | Well, that's the default behaviour I would have thought. | 15:39 |
| faenil | if I set a property to auto I don't expect that to change automatically afterwards | 15:39 |
| alterego | really? seems pretty intuitive to me :P | 15:39 |
| faenil | I expect to find it to be Auto next time I check | 15:39 |
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| alterego | Sure, I understand where you're coming from. | 15:40 |
| faenil | you want to use the same property for both setting locks and reading current orientation | 15:40 |
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| faenil | not saying it can't be a good solution, but definitely not intuitive at the moment, imho | 15:41 |
| alterego | Well, food for thought. | 15:42 |
| faenil | I could also say, how do you know if you're in locked orientation or not | 15:42 |
| faenil | (with your solution) | 15:42 |
| alterego | In the end people will develop with what you give them, if they don't like it they'll roll their own. IF they do that then you can ask them what they'd like :) | 15:42 |
| alterego | Well, I don't think it matters to know if you're locked or not. | 15:42 |
| alterego | The app should know that. | 15:42 |
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| faenil | so, you still need another property, but you're not offering it to public ;) | 15:43 |
| faenil | you're just* | 15:43 |
| alterego | Sure, because I don't think it's important. | 15:43 |
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| alterego | By all means though, make it an "automaticOrientation" flag if you like :) | 15:43 |
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| faenil | that's where I was taking you | 15:45 |
| faenil | you still need a flag | 15:45 |
| faenil | offering or not offering is another thing :) | 15:45 |
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| alterego | Yes, would be useful if the application needs that to be a configuration option. | 15:46 |
| faenil | yes | 15:46 |
| alterego | But then, the configuration key/value would act as your flag anyway. | 15:46 |
| faenil | well, yes, at startup | 15:46 |
| alterego | So you'd be able to get Auto or whatever lock from there directly. | 15:46 |
| alterego | Not just at startup, whenever it's changed. | 15:47 |
| faenil | how does that work with pages with different locks ;) | 15:47 |
| faenil | you can't just mirror the config option | 15:47 |
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| alterego | Pages can have their own configuration. | 15:47 |
| alterego | Or inherit, it doesn't matter. Unless you're planning on implementing that configuration structure yourself. | 15:48 |
| faenil | I'm inheriting | 15:48 |
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| faenil | there's only one value, and it's the one in appwindow, and pages change that if needed | 15:49 |
| alterego | It would be nice for the framework to give developers access to localStorage for things like this. | 15:49 |
| faenil | just like it works with the toolbar in qtcomponents | 15:49 |
| faenil | alterego, write on the todo ;) | 15:49 |
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| alterego | Problem is, localStorage doesn't have change notifications, but obviously that could all be wrapped up in a nice nemo API for application configuration. | 15:50 |
| faenil | no qsetting? | 15:50 |
| alterego | Or use something else, like qsettings. | 15:50 |
| faenil | eh :) | 15:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, that would work fine. | 15:50 |
| faenil | I wonder why none offers that | 15:50 |
| faenil | is there some hidden trap or what :/ | 15:51 |
| alterego | It becomes very useful for saving application running state for either transfering execution to another device, or resuming after system reboot, device process killing, or whatever. | 15:51 |
| faenil | yes | 15:51 |
| faenil | well it's always useful | 15:51 |
| alterego | In a way the old OSSO framework in maemo had that feature. | 15:52 |
| faenil | and it's not like it takes Ks of code to expose that to QML | 15:52 |
| faenil | so I'm wondering why that hasn't happened yet | 15:52 |
| alterego | No need, I guess. I've been working on stuff that basically does all of that. | 15:52 |
| faenil | no need :O | 15:52 |
| alterego | Well, no need from the framework, people are still free to use what they want. | 15:53 |
| alterego | And there are many options ;) | 15:53 |
| faenil | I won't buy it :D | 15:53 |
| faenil | well it's not like they have to use the framework option | 15:53 |
| sandy_locke | hey faenil, could you tell me who work on nemo and what they do ? I wan't to make a list to 'recognize' everybody | 15:53 |
| alterego | Well, I think we're both agreed it would be good to have :) | 15:53 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, ahmm, I can tell you some names, but looots of people worked on Nemo | 15:53 |
| faenil | and I would feel guilty not making a list of all of them :D | 15:53 |
| alterego | sandy_locke: github might be insightful :) | 15:54 |
| faenil | alterego, yep | 15:54 |
| faenil | yeah ^ | 15:54 |
| sandy_locke | but those who are active on IRC | 15:54 |
| dm8tbr | there used to be a credits list, stemming as far back as MeegoDE | 15:54 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, yes it was in the about page in Nemo x11 | 15:54 |
| alterego | Yeah, is it still in the device infor page? :D | 15:55 |
| faenil | it's never been updated :P | 15:55 |
| faenil | alterego, well, there's no info page atm afaik :D | 15:55 |
| alterego | I guess the problem is mapping peoples github accounts to their IRC nicks. | 15:55 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, active on IRC: me, sledges, qwazix, locusf, Hurrian from time to time, Morpog_Mobile | 15:56 |
| faenil | I could be forgetting so many people :D | 15:56 |
| faenil | ah, zbenjamin also | 15:56 |
| sandy_locke | and what does everybody do on Nemo apart from Hurrian, qwazix and Morporg ? | 15:57 |
| faenil | well me, sledges and locusf mostly do what's needed, don't know about zbenjamin favourites, he worked on orientation stuff | 15:58 |
| sandy_locke | faenil, so you three work on implementing everything ? | 15:59 |
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| faenil | oooh, I forgot Sfiet_Konstantin (who's bit busy in this period though) | 15:59 |
| Morpog_Mobile | You forgot giucam | 15:59 |
| faenil | and fk_lx! | 15:59 |
| faenil | They'll never forgive me :D | 15:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:59 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, well, UI side, on MW there's Jolla mostly | 16:00 |
| alterego | I'm doing stuff in Mer SDK and android device adaptation is mostly what I'm mostly interested in right now. | 16:01 |
| alterego | -1 mostly. | 16:01 |
| alterego | Reminds me of Aliens .. | 16:01 |
| alterego | Might watch that tonight. | 16:01 |
| sandy_locke | faenil, MW ? | 16:02 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, middleware | 16:02 |
| sandy_locke | alterego, thx, where you at with android adaptation ? what devices are supported right now ? | 16:02 |
| sandy_locke | faenil: what is middleware exactly ? | 16:03 |
| alterego | sandy_locke: currently working on a generic initramfs for installing, updating, and booting mer | 16:03 |
| sandy_locke | alterego: ok | 16:03 |
| alterego | sandy_locke: basically putting peices together to make it easy for anyone to create an android supported hardware adaptation. | 16:03 |
| alterego | sandy_locke: the hope is, provided X Android device has the ability to enter fastboot, you can run Mer on it. | 16:04 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, middleware is what's under UI, and on top of the core | 16:04 |
| faenil | below* UI | 16:04 |
| faenil | and above core* | 16:05 |
| sandy_locke | ok thx guys | 16:05 |
| alterego | sandy_locke: basically target devices are hopefully most of these: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices | 16:05 |
| * sandy_locke is on phone ... | 16:05 | |
| locusf | hmm fastboot | 16:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: sup | 16:21 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, hey :) all good here, you? | 16:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | not bad | 16:22 |
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| sledges | ahoj1 | 16:42 |
| locusf | hey sledges | 16:42 |
| faenil | sledges, o/ | 16:42 |
| sledges | good weekend? | 16:42 |
| faenil | bit worried for some stuff, but yeah ;) | 16:42 |
| sledges | ;) nemo related? :)) | 16:43 |
| faenil | nah ;) | 16:43 |
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| sledges | good :D | 16:43 |
| sledges | hope not exams either :)) | 16:43 |
| faenil | related | 16:44 |
| faenil | but don't worry ;) | 16:44 |
| sledges | yes, i leave it to you :) | 16:45 |
| faenil | updating sb2 n950 target :) time to test rotation | 16:47 |
| faenil | mmm wtf? /usr/include/qt5/QtGui/qopengles2ext.h:402:9: error: 'khronos_int64_t' does not name a type | 16:47 |
| sledges | mweh | 16:48 |
| faenil | guess I forgot something in the br | 16:48 |
| faenil | though it builds and runs on desktop | 16:48 |
| faenil | but wait, it has always succeeded :/ | 16:49 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, any idea what I'm missing? ^ | 16:52 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 16:52 | |
| Stskeeps | faenil: http://overyonderlust.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/head-explode.jpg | 16:53 |
| faenil | mm not a good sign :D | 16:53 |
| faenil | I'm building for armv7hl | 16:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | khronos_int64_t nice name :) | 16:55 |
| faenil | must be missing some header, but what | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | well opengl headers | 16:58 |
| alterego | egl | 16:59 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, well, I don't think qtdeclarative doesn't take care of that already | 17:00 |
| alterego | faenil: is this sb2 ? | 17:01 |
| faenil | alterego, mb | 17:01 |
| alterego | hmm | 17:01 |
| faenil | including <QQuickWindow> is causing that | 17:02 |
| wmarone__ | Stskeeps: do you know if any of the x86 builds created with mic in "raw" mode? | 17:02 |
| alterego | It's the EGL platform headers you're missing. | 17:02 |
| wmarone__ | *are | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone__: nemo ones? | 17:02 |
| alterego | faenil: try adding them to your build target. | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone__: fairly sure it's raw if x86 | 17:02 |
| wmarone__ | Stskeeps: those or base mer images | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, or livecd/liveusb | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | why? | 17:02 |
| faenil | alterego, :/ | 17:02 |
| wmarone__ | I'm hitting a segfault with extlinux when it attempts to install the bootloader | 17:03 |
| alterego | faenil: I'm trying to find out the package name ;) | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone__: .. that's new | 17:03 |
| faenil | ti-omap3-sgx-wayland-wsegl-devel probably | 17:03 |
| faenil | that's where egl is for wayland nemo | 17:03 |
| faenil | but that's just omap3 specific | 17:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, that looks right | 17:03 |
| alterego | Doesn't matter. | 17:03 |
| faenil | I can't make a package depend on a platform :D | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone__: in mer platform sdk? | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: pkgconfig(egl) pkgconfig(glesv2) | 17:04 |
| wmarone__ | Stskeeps: yes, I set up a clean install of the SDK yesterday | 17:04 |
| alterego | faenil: you don't need to change the depends. | 17:04 |
| alterego | faenil: it's just the platform headers are missing because Qt5 doesn't want to depend on a plugin. | 17:04 |
| faenil | alterego, ah I know now | 17:05 |
| faenil | zypper dup has uninstalled armv7 stuff as usual | 17:05 |
| faenil | and installed mesa llvm | 17:05 |
| alterego | Oh, hah | 17:05 |
| alterego | Erm, I wonder why | 17:06 |
| faenil | we have to understand why it does that :( | 17:06 |
| alterego | Well, I'm setting up a clean target now, I'll see if I can reproduce it. | 17:06 |
| alterego | can you tar your sb2 target just in case? | 17:06 |
| faenil | not worth looking at it, it's all messed up and would take ages to upload :D | 17:07 |
| alterego | Okay, | 17:07 |
| alterego | Do you remember what .ks you used to generate it? | 17:08 |
| faenil | nope, they're all different now | 17:08 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: also, there's no mer-core-*-wayland-basic-qmlviewer.ks in kickstarter-configs? | 17:09 |
| faenil | on n950 we have the same issue, and it's because the adaptation repo is not configured by default | 17:09 |
| alterego | I guess that would be qt5-qmlscene maybe/ | 17:09 |
| faenil | actually, all the omap3 devels are installed... | 17:10 |
| alterego | Look for /usr/include/egl|EGL/eglplatform.h | 17:11 |
| alterego | Not sure of the exact path ;) | 17:11 |
| faenil | alterego, nothing inside egl folder | 17:13 |
| alterego | Hrm, I think maybe, when it updated one of the platform packages it blitzed the headers. | 17:14 |
| alterego | Probably due to a fix in one of the packages maybe. | 17:14 |
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| alterego | You could try uninstalling all of the -devel packages relating to EGL or maybe one or two at a time and then reinstall them and see if they reappear. ;) | 17:15 |
| faenil | yeah I'm doing that already ;) | 17:15 |
| faenil | alterego, ok the file is there, still error | 17:16 |
| alterego | wonderful, well, good luck :D | 17:17 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, pkgconfig(egl) will ask to install mesa-llvm | 17:17 |
| alterego | Hrm, kickstart-configs is a bit of a mess. | 17:19 |
| faenil | alterego, we use this for nemo in case you were wondering https://github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart | 17:19 |
| alterego | Yeah, but we should probably have a decent kickstarter config for it, that one was written by hand afaik? | 17:20 |
| faenil | yep | 17:21 |
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| artemma | Hi all | 17:24 |
| artemma | I am looking for a sample project to use subdirs project type | 17:24 |
| artemma | so that I could have actual app in src and autotests in tests | 17:25 |
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| artemma | Can't find any example :/ | 17:25 |
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| locusf | artemma: no autotests but close https://github.com/locusf/bluewhale | 17:25 |
| artemma | and just crafting the thing myself results in deployment step failing to find mainproject/rpm/mainproject.spec | 17:25 |
| faenil | alterego, also /usr/include/qt5/QtGui/qopengles2ext.h:1350:72: error: 'GLint64' has not been declared, which is the cause of the khronos type error | 17:26 |
| artemma | locusf: checking.. | 17:26 |
| artemma | locusf: you seem to use one spec file for the whole project deploying everything.. | 17:27 |
| locusf | artemma: oh you had that kind of special case | 17:27 |
| alterego | faenil: Interesting | 17:27 |
| artemma | locusf: I don't really know what I need deployment-wise. Packages and spec files are all greek to me :/ | 17:27 |
| artemma | I do want to have a test subproject(s) buildable from the main .pro file | 17:28 |
| artemma | and I'd want to deploy both main binary and tests, but.. in somehow controlled manner. Final app store build shouldn't include tests | 17:28 |
| sledges | artemma: qt .pro files have subdirs directive into which they delve | 17:29 |
| sledges | then in .spec file you define multiple packages | 17:29 |
| sledges | one will be main | 17:29 |
| sledges | the other -test | 17:29 |
| sledges | and install different files into separate packages | 17:29 |
| artemma | sledges: how do you control which one is used then? | 17:29 |
| sledges | they are all available | 17:30 |
| locusf | sledges: there is this problem of .yaml files for packaging | 17:30 |
| artemma | do you guys know of any example maybe? | 17:30 |
| sledges | artemma: you specify mainapp and it will install you mainapp | 17:30 |
| sledges | if you want tests, then youll doo zypper in mainapp-tests | 17:30 |
| artemma | my understanding of spec files is too low for asking good questions | 17:30 |
| sledges | artemma: this one is just as good: | 17:31 |
| sledges | https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/master/rpm/qtquickcontrols-nemo.spec | 17:31 |
| artemma | or yaml example maybe (to my understanding you can skip spec completely and it will autigenerate spec) | 17:31 |
| sledges | creates two packages, default one and afterwards -examples one | 17:31 |
| artemma | checking.. | 17:31 |
| sledges | this is how its final product looks like: | 17:32 |
| sledges | https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=qtquickcontrols-nemo&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw&repository=latest_armv7hl | 17:32 |
| sledges | locusf: you can specify multiple packages inside .yaml | 17:32 |
| artemma | I was recommending to care about .spec file only and forget abt yaml | 17:33 |
| artemma | oh well, somebody more experienced told it's his practice | 17:33 |
| sledges | .yaml looks cleaner, personal preference really | 17:33 |
| sledges | .yaml cleaner, but consumes more time :D | 17:34 |
| artemma | is spec always auto generated from yaml then? | 17:34 |
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| faenil | alterego, and in fact, there's no GLint64 in include/GLESv2 | 17:34 |
| sledges | i wish | 17:34 |
| sledges | in most cases it's autogenerated | 17:34 |
| sledges | but when you start adding lots of hacks (like for kernel packaging), yaml will only be a subset of that | 17:34 |
| alterego | faenil: yes, I wouldn't expect there to be .. | 17:34 |
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| artemma | sledges: the example spec you showd sent mentions only one package - example | 17:35 |
| artemma | or is the default package somehow created as well? | 17:35 |
| faenil | alterego, grrr | 17:35 |
| sledges | artemma: the default package is on the very top ;) | 17:35 |
| artemma | aha.. | 17:35 |
| artemma | okay, suppose I do tests just as you do examples | 17:36 |
| sledges | or on the %files section - the no name one (default) | 17:36 |
| sledges | yes | 17:36 |
| artemma | how do I know which one gets installed to device when user or developer installs RPM? | 17:36 |
| sledges | if you browse more, you can find automated tests in qt (ut_*) - how they are done | 17:36 |
| artemma | or actually there will be two rpms.. | 17:36 |
| sledges | two rpms | 17:37 |
| faenil | alterego, well, but if qopengles2ext expect a glint64...it means it should be there | 17:37 |
| artemma | yep, that will be the next question - I failed to install qtest-qml package, so started messing with subprojects :) | 17:37 |
| artemma | Okay, so in some bright future when submitting to app store I will just submit the main app package | 17:38 |
| sledges | yup | 17:38 |
| artemma | what about the development then? From QtCreator I somehow need to deploy so that tests are deployed too | 17:38 |
| sledges | that's up to how the qtcreator is patched up/does deployment (/me stays with cmdline for now ;)) | 17:39 |
| sledges | qtcreator experts anyone? ;) | 17:39 |
| sledges | worth raising this with #sailfish artemma Â^ | 17:40 |
| artemma | I am not sure what happens when sub projects come into play (I want to release a part of my prom as open source lib with own tests), but I think I've got enough info for now to start with | 17:40 |
| artemma | thanks! | 17:40 |
| artemma | sledges: I can here from #sailfishos :D | 17:41 |
| artemma | came* | 17:41 |
| sledges | lol | 17:41 |
| sledges | i meant #sailfishos yes :D | 17:41 |
| sledges | yup, should get you going, welcome artemma ! | 17:41 |
| artemma | they/we call it OS - it's more then a couple of controls! :D | 17:42 |
| artemma | they/we call it OS - it's more then a couple of controls on top of Nemo! :D | 17:42 |
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| faenil | artemma, but since nemo is developed by mostly the same guys...;) | 17:43 |
| sledges | well then we should rename to #nemomobileos :D because that's the ultimate goal ;) | 17:43 |
| sledges | same middleware | 17:43 |
| sledges | and core | 17:43 |
| faenil | alterego, so, khrplatform.h defined the first one typedef uint64_t khronos_uint64_t; | 17:47 |
| faenil | and qopengles2ext says that doesn't name a type ... | 17:48 |
| artemma | What would be the good directory to deploy tests to? Just /usr/share/MyAppName? | 17:49 |
| faenil | bbl | 17:50 |
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| artemma | sledges: you mentioned some test examples sub projects, I can't find them by just browsing around memo controls | 17:55 |
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| artemma | sledges: would you guide me a little more? or somebody else maybe? | 18:17 |
| artemma | I created a black subdirs project from scratch | 18:17 |
| artemma | and wizard generated app in a src subproject. Works and is deployed just fine | 18:18 |
| artemma | now I am trying to add tests subproject (empty app for start) and modifying spec file following your example | 18:18 |
| artemma | and I don't understand what %files section is doing | 18:18 |
| artemma | build tells File not found: /home/deploy/installroot/usr/share/multi-project-trial-tests | 18:19 |
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| artemma | that is when spec file has: | 18:19 |
| artemma | %files tests | 18:19 |
| artemma | /usr/share/multi-project-trial-tests | 18:20 |
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| faenil | back | 18:36 |
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| NeeDforKill | hey guys | 18:38 |
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| artemma | arrrgh, I managed to create two RPM packages (from a subdirs superproject), but second one is empty | 18:47 |
| artemma | where do I define what is put into rpm? | 18:47 |
| artemma | %files section in .spec? | 18:48 |
| faenil | yes | 18:49 |
| artemma | I can see a binary being built, but can't figure how to put it to rpm | 18:49 |
| artemma | and even when I look at the package that;s built fine, I can't quite understand the %files syntax :/ | 18:49 |
| faenil | alterego, have you had any idea while I was away by any chance? otherwise I'll delete and rebuild a new target | 18:50 |
| artemma | say, a typical hello world qml: how does the following line put many qml files to package? | 18:50 |
| artemma | /usr/share/multi-project-trial | 18:50 |
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| faenil | artemma, are you doing it for sailfish using sdk? I think qtcreator plugin handles the .spec file automatically in that case | 18:52 |
| faenil | but you have to ask related stuff in #sailfishos, sorry... | 18:52 |
| faenil | I haven't used sailfish's plugin in a while | 18:53 |
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| faenil | sledges, ping | 18:54 |
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| artemma | faenil: to my understanding I am now on mer level actually | 18:58 |
| artemma | even if I create app for sailfishos | 18:58 |
| faenil | artemma, if you're coding an app using sailfish sdk, you're using qtcreator plugin | 18:58 |
| faenil | and I guess (guess), it handles package creation automatically | 18:59 |
| artemma | problem at hand is that I want to have a subdirs project with the tests and src subprojects and appropriate packages | 18:59 |
| faenil | if you include the files in the .pro | 18:59 |
| artemma | it does create a sample spec file that I am messing with now | 18:59 |
| faenil | artemma, there you go https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick | 18:59 |
| faenil | that's an example | 19:00 |
| artemma | Stskeeps also sent me this example - https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/master/rpm/qtquickcontrols-nemo.spec | 19:00 |
| artemma | can;t understand what %files do | 19:01 |
| artemma | well, I guess I need to go google spec syntax | 19:01 |
| faenil | artemma, http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-build-creating-spec-file.html | 19:02 |
| artemma | thanks | 19:02 |
| faenil | <artemma> where do I define what is put into rpm? | 19:02 |
| faenil | <artemma> %files section in .spec? | 19:02 |
| faenil | <faenil> yes | 19:02 |
| artemma | well, I can't understand how to tell that I want a binary multi-project-trial-tests built in a particular place put into rpm | 19:03 |
| artemma | also at particular path probably | 19:03 |
| artemma | reading.. | 19:03 |
| artemma | oh maybe you are right it's sailfish specifics. %{?qtc_builddir:%define _builddir %qtc_builddir} might be responsible for where files are fetched from | 19:06 |
| sledges | faenil: ping | 19:09 |
| sledges | pong | 19:09 |
| sledges | (unping ;)) | 19:09 |
| sledges | yes artemma i remember suffering with those | 19:09 |
| sledges | qtc_`s when attempting to build nemo project on sailfish sdk | 19:09 |
| faenil | sledges, was that a fix? https://github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/commit/7868adeef13568eb8e088be67fa781f591f0076d | 19:10 |
| faenil | those repos won't be added in target/device, they're just for image building | 19:10 |
| sledges | faenil: yes | 19:10 |
| faenil | sledges, oki ;) | 19:11 |
| sledges | it needed strace | 19:11 |
| sledges | one of the build processes | 19:11 |
| faenil | I'm currently rebuilding image to see if I get rid of the gl issue | 19:11 |
| sledges | oki | 19:12 |
| sledges | fingers crosscompiled ;) | 19:12 |
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| faenil | sledges, so, first dup tries to install mesa llvm | 19:15 |
| faenil | (on arm sb2 target) | 19:16 |
| sledges | yes | 19:16 |
| sledges | anywhere same prob | 19:16 |
| faenil | ok | 19:16 |
| sledges | ssu ur thanks to your findings | 19:16 |
| faenil | I ssu ured already | 19:16 |
| sledges | ? | 19:16 |
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| faenil | but you don't get adapatation repo here, as we're an sb2 target | 19:16 |
| sledges | ofc | 19:16 |
| sledges | what to do D: | 19:16 |
| sledges | :) | 19:16 |
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| * artemma made it to one step further! RPM picks files up from Mer's /home/deploy/instalroot and -tests binary isn't ther | 19:17 | |
| artemma | e, make install failure then probably | 19:18 |
| faenil | sledges, added n950 adaptation repo, still wants to install mesa | 19:18 |
| sledges | is adaptation via ssu? | 19:20 |
| faenil | sledges, wait a moment...https://github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/blob/7868adeef13568eb8e088be67fa781f591f0076d/nemo-armv7hl-rnd_sb2target.ks#L35 | 19:20 |
| faenil | should I or should I not have mesa on sb2 arm target? :( | 19:21 |
| faenil | I think I shouldn't | 19:21 |
| sledges | :D | 19:21 |
| faenil | locusf, ping | 19:22 |
| sledges | remember, having it there doesnt break any graphics system, because simply there isn't any :D | 19:22 |
| sledges | but | 19:22 |
| sledges | breaks your headers apparently ;) | 19:22 |
| sledges | was fine until now :)) | 19:22 |
| sledges | artemma: good stuff | 19:22 |
| faenil | until now? | 19:22 |
| sledges | s/now/you started compiling deep stuffs :D/ | 19:23 |
| faenil | ah lol | 19:23 |
| faenil | well, I'm just importing QQuickWindow...not that deep, is it | 19:23 |
| artemma | sledges: yeah, reading build logs now. make install is called, but.. something doesn't work there | 19:23 |
| sledges | khm, weird then | 19:23 |
| faenil | sledges, I'll just accept mesa for now | 19:23 |
| sledges | sure, you can throw it away anytime | 19:24 |
| faenil | yeah | 19:24 |
| faenil | 270packages to update, it's going to take a while :D | 19:25 |
| sledges | depends on hw ;) | 19:25 |
| faenil | :P | 19:25 |
| sledges | and bandwidth.. | 19:25 |
| faenil | no ssd here :Pé | 19:25 |
| artemma | AHA! It's sailfishapplication.pri (removed from the test prom) that determines certain install libraries! | 19:26 |
| artemma | Okay, now it's not memo anymore indeed :) | 19:26 |
| faenil | artemma, :P | 19:26 |
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| faenil | sledges, where are the pkgconfig configs stored? can't remember atm | 19:33 |
| sledges | .pc | 19:34 |
| faenil | where :P | 19:34 |
| faenil | path :P | 19:34 |
| sledges | /usr/share ? | 19:34 |
| sledges | never bothered tbh :) | 19:34 |
| faenil | qqmlapplicationengine not found......right... | 19:37 |
| faenil | I have BR pkgconfig(Qt5Quick) | 19:37 |
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| faenil | sledges, can you check which package it is in? | 19:39 |
| sledges | QtQml | 19:41 |
| faenil | Qt5Quick should include Qml | 19:41 |
| sledges | should | 19:41 |
| faenil | i | qt5-qtdeclarative-devel | 19:42 |
| faenil | check the precise package please | 19:42 |
| faenil | sledges, ah I know why | 19:44 |
| sledges | mer qt | 19:44 |
| sledges | :D | 19:44 |
| faenil | yep :P | 19:44 |
| sledges | just found in a backlog :P | 19:44 |
| faenil | frigging repos | 19:44 |
| * faenil was first o/ | 19:44 | |
| sledges | google "qqmlapplicationengine nemo" | 19:44 |
| sledges | i was chatting :P | 19:44 |
| faenil | :D | 19:44 |
| faenil | but anyway...I'm tired of these repos issues | 19:44 |
| faenil | we HAVE to do something, soon | 19:46 |
| faenil | it's impossible for new people to contribute | 19:46 |
| faenil | we have problems ourselves... | 19:46 |
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| * faenil updates wiki accordingly | 19:47 | |
| artemma | WooHoo, I created two packages with the proper content and they get installed just fine! | 19:54 |
| * artemma feels like a friggin *nix system programming wizard | 19:54 | |
| faenil | sledges, allover again, 273 packages to update :D | 19:54 |
| artemma | thank you, guys! | 19:55 |
| faenil | artemma, :D | 19:55 |
| artemma | now it'd be good if these projects would actually do something :D | 19:55 |
| faenil | lol | 19:55 |
| faenil | good point | 19:55 |
| artemma | I guess once I get to the point of some qml test, I need to publish a min project to github | 19:55 |
| artemma | no need for others to go through the same pain just for having tests in the project | 19:56 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, what about cpio: rename failed - Invalid cross-device link errors while zypper dupping? | 20:01 |
| faenil | on bash, binutils, patch, coreutils, and many other similar packages | 20:02 |
| faenil | awk, groff | 20:02 |
| sledges | faenil: cache ;) | 20:02 |
| faenil | sledges, ? | 20:03 |
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| sledges | all downloaded packages are cached | 20:10 |
| sledges | so you could save time | 20:10 |
| sledges | answering your prev statement ;) | 20:10 |
| sledges | no idea on cpio - doesn't sound like it happened to you before doing same dup? | 20:11 |
| faenil | well, different repos | 20:12 |
| faenil | anyway, about cache, its different pacakges, so cahce doesn't help | 20:13 |
| juiceme | Stskeeps, ping | 20:17 |
| faenil | sledges, lol, I rotate phone while in homescreen, and fingerterm rotates even if it's in bg :D | 20:17 |
| juiceme | Stskeeps, I am still working at the wlan initialization, and sure it is the wl1271-cal that is doing the firmware+nvs loading to the chipset. However, I tried looking for the sources of wl1271-cal and cannot find it. even in the MER repos it is just the binary, or else I just searched for it in the wrong places... :( | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | its closed source | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | reason its called -bin | 20:22 |
| juiceme | problem with using just the binary is that it's dependent on whole lot of other things in th system I don't have and don't want to have... I'd like to make a really simple version that just twiddles the needed bits on netlink socket and loads up the FW... | 20:23 |
| juiceme | I thought MER was supposed to have no closed bits..? | 20:24 |
| wmarone | mer doesn't have closed bits. Hardware adaptations might though. | 20:26 |
| faenil | juiceme, you can't do much about hw adaptations, can you :/ | 20:26 |
| juiceme | Stskeeps, is there some specific reason for it being closed source, some lisencing issues etc. as I do not see any specific reason for wlan initialization to be such a secret... the diriver parts in kernel are open and the FW files available... | 20:26 |
| faenil | juiceme, I think it's blobs from nokia | 20:27 |
| juiceme | faenil, I can do loads about them, and I will :) | 20:27 |
| faenil | juiceme, I meant that most of them are closed, it's known fact :) | 20:27 |
| juiceme | faenil, the binary from nokia is not identical to the one in MER | 20:27 |
| juiceme | hence I guess there has to be somebody around that has the source and can build it... | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | specially built for.meego | 20:28 |
| juiceme | which one, the MER version? | 20:28 |
| juiceme | or the Harmattan one? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | mer one | 20:30 |
| juiceme | as this business of wlan initialization puzzles me, I am used to working with ethernet drivers, and there's no such hidden things there, you just load up a GE module and it does the needed stuff by itself... | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | it comes down to factory calibration data | 20:32 |
| juiceme | okay... so there are zero chances that I could obtain the sources for it. even something partial that I caould cook up a simple initializer that would work without whole environment brought in? | 20:32 |
| juiceme | the cal data is in the wl1271-nvs.bin, right? | 20:33 |
| juiceme | both FW and NVS needs to be loaded | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, in CAL area | 20:35 |
| juiceme | ah | 20:35 |
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| juiceme | that makes sense then :( | 20:35 |
| artemma | trying to define QUICK_TEST_SOURCE_DIR in the .pro file and.. it's already defined to /home/mersdk/project/MyProject/MySubproject …Ha? | 20:36 |
| artemma | who could define it to be the project source folder? | 20:36 |
| juiceme | So wl1271-cal reads some stuff from CAL, and also sends that to the chipset... I suppose it makes it a bit more difficult then, unless it is something really simple such as the allowed frequency ranges on a specified country? | 20:37 |
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| artemma | okay, docs sort of tell to specify input test dir manually when running in a cross-compiled environment. I would prefer to redefine the QUICK_TEST_SOURCE_DIR though - why would it be needed on a build machine at all? | 20:38 |
| juiceme | Does the CAL data contain anything unit specific, like measured/calibrated Rx/Tx levels that change from one device to anther? | 20:39 |
| juiceme | Let me explain a bit wht I am after here; I am trying to find a way to use the WLAN interface on ubiboot maintanance console. Currently you can enter the maintanance console via telnet & ssh on the USB interface, but suppose you want to boot the device to maintanance mode without USB connection, to access it from your WLAN. I have built wpa_supplicant and sshd for the device, now if I just can get the wlan to UP state then it would w | 20:45 |
| juiceme | well that turned out to be a wall of text, but that's how it is in a nutshell. | 20:46 |
| faenil | juiceme, ah before that, could you write a new README? :D :D | 20:46 |
| juiceme | I rather tweak kernel bits than write docd :) :) | 20:46 |
| faenil | juiceme, ;) | 20:46 |
| juiceme | sad but true, that :) | 20:46 |
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| faenil | I guess everyone in this room chooses coding/hacking over docs :D | 20:47 |
| juiceme | but yes, faenil, I promise I am going to do that soon. | 20:47 |
| faenil | juiceme, :) | 20:47 |
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| juiceme | docs are important, true... it just feels most of time it is so repetitive :) | 20:48 |
| faenil | juiceme, I think you just have to do some copy paste to restructure the doc, it's not the single parts that need fixes, it's the structure of the page :) | 20:51 |
| sledges | faenil: are you running rnd ssu? (ssu -i) | 20:54 |
| sledges | it might be that mer-qt is pulled in when you switch to rnd: ssu re -r latest | 20:54 |
| sledges | for adaptations i'm still investigating | 20:54 |
| faenil | sledges, I also switched to rns | 20:55 |
| faenil | though not sure I checked if it added mer qt | 20:55 |
| sledges | if you added via zypper | 20:55 |
| sledges | it should look different now | 20:55 |
| sledges | (zypper lr) | 20:55 |
| faenil | sledges, I've got two | 20:55 |
| faenil | one global and one user | 20:55 |
| sledges | good :D | 20:55 |
| faenil | but I'm not sure | 20:55 |
| sledges | a, i thought mer qts | 20:55 |
| sledges | *two | 20:55 |
| faenil | yes | 20:55 |
| faenil | two mer qts | 20:56 |
| faenil | but I'm not sure if it's because of rnd, or because of the dup | 20:56 |
| sledges | anyway, zypper lr should show one manually added, the other ssu-is | 20:56 |
| sledges | ssu-ish | 20:56 |
| artemma | Requires: pkgconfig(Qt5QuickTest) made emulator to install 31 new package yet module "QtTest" is not installed | 20:56 |
| artemma | :/ | 20:56 |
| sledges | if so, means rnd enables mer-qt | 20:56 |
| faenil | sledges, yes, but I'm not sure if it's becaues of the dup or the rnd :P | 20:56 |
| sledges | will try with bare .ks | 20:56 |
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| sledges | dup does not pull in repos | 20:57 |
| faenil | sledges, was thinking maybe reinstallation of ssu stuff... | 20:58 |
| faenil | can't be? | 20:58 |
| sledges | nope, as ssu is aleady installed | 20:58 |
| faenil | upgrade* | 20:59 |
| sledges | and ssu ur didn't do the trick | 20:59 |
| faenil | yes, but new vendor data installed with dup? | 20:59 |
| faenil | or new ssu package update | 20:59 |
| sledges | if there was new | 20:59 |
| sledges | but mer-qt is in vendor data since ages | 20:59 |
| faenil | but testing repos are ages old :D | 20:59 |
| sledges | nevermind, as i said, i will check with bare repo | 21:00 |
| sledges | testing repos? | 21:02 |
| artemma | is there a list of nemomobile packages somewhere? This repo that is searched automatically, where is it? | 21:06 |
| artemma | I'd like to search for the package that provides QtTest QML import | 21:06 |
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| sledges | artemma: build.merproject.org | 21:08 |
| artemma | sledges: thx, searching | 21:09 |
| artemma | okay, I give up, too complex for me. Will ask tomorrow when more ppl are online | 21:11 |
| artemma | though sucks to stop just one step before it's done | 21:11 |
| faenil | sledges, testing as opposed to devel | 21:16 |
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| artemma | ah, I've got it! | 21:17 |
| artemma | Requires: qt5-qtdeclarative-import-qttest did it all! | 21:17 |
| * artemma learned a lot tonight. That is a lot for artemma | 21:18 | |
| faenil | :) | 21:20 |
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| sandy_locke | hey guys, is it possible that a zypper dup mess up with harmattan rootfs ? | 21:48 |
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| faenil | sandy_locke, mmm don't know | 21:51 |
| faenil | anyway: locusf sledges I have qqc gallery rotating \o/ | 21:51 |
| sandy_locke | faenil: cuz harmattan booted fine before and after the zypper dup from the other day it doesn't boot anymore | 21:51 |
| faenil | wouldn't know :/ | 21:52 |
| rcg | sandy_locke, are you dual booting nemo and harmattan? | 21:52 |
| rcg | if yes, iirc the harmattan zImage is located on the nemo rootfs in /boot .. that's at least the way I do dual boot here | 21:53 |
| rcg | might be that the update somehow removed that zImage from /boot? | 21:53 |
| sandy_locke | rcg: yes, although nemo is in tethered boot | 21:53 |
| sandy_locke | well a went beyond the ripple nokia: black screen, battery notification (because battery was low) and then reboot | 21:54 |
| sandy_locke | *I | 21:54 |
| rcg | sandy_locke, then try to charge first and give it another try? | 21:54 |
| sandy_locke | that's what I did | 21:54 |
| rcg | here, sometimes it doesn't fully succeed on the first attempt | 21:55 |
| rcg | hmm, ic | 21:55 |
| sandy_locke | but now battery is full and I don't get any notification, and after the nokia ripple, same reboot | 21:55 |
| rcg | hmm strange | 21:55 |
| rcg | maybe it messed with /etc/fstab? | 21:55 |
| rcg | that's the next logical step imho | 21:55 |
| sandy_locke | I tried to restore a recent backup of rootfs, but it doesn't seem to have done any good | 21:56 |
| sandy_locke | now I get the nokia logo, but no more boot menu | 21:56 |
| rcg | ic | 21:57 |
| rcg | well, i don't have any ideas then | 21:58 |
| sandy_locke | I try to boot with MOSLO | 21:58 |
| sandy_locke | then I'll look into the files | 21:58 |
| rcg | sounds like a good plan | 21:59 |
| rcg | :) | 21:59 |
| sandy_locke | rcg: have I access to the harmattan root from nemo ? | 21:59 |
| faenil | cya tomorrow guys ;) | 21:59 |
| sandy_locke | faenil: bye | 21:59 |
| rcg | cya faenil :) | 21:59 |
| artemma | bye | 21:59 |
| artemma | and thx | 21:59 |
| faenil | good luck sandy_locke ;) | 21:59 |
| sandy_locke | thx :) | 21:59 |
| faenil | artemma, np :) | 21:59 |
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| rcg | sandy_locke, hmm.. it exports the nemo rootfs via usb | 22:00 |
| rcg | and you can telnet in via usb networking and get a busybox | 22:00 |
| sandy_locke | from inside nemo, or the telnet from moslo ? | 22:00 |
| rcg | i.e., it does this when you boot into moslo while your device is connected to a computer via usb | 22:00 |
| rcg | telnet from moslo | 22:00 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, telnet from moslo never worked for me | 22:01 |
| rcg | when being connected via usb, moslo does all this | 22:01 |
| rcg | hmm, strange | 22:01 |
| rcg | you did configure usb0 on your desktop/laptop? | 22:01 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh, dunno | 22:01 |
| sandy_locke | am on os X | 22:01 |
| rcg | something like ifconfig usb0 x.x.x.x/24 | 22:02 |
| sandy_locke | I'll try that | 22:02 |
| rcg | and replace x.x.x.x with an ip in the range displayed by moslo | 22:02 |
| rcg | dunno if it is called usb0, might check with "ifconfig -a" before and after pluggin the device in via usb | 22:02 |
| sandy_locke | rcg: yeah, but the usb0 interface doesn't exist on mac | 22:02 |
| sandy_locke | I'll google it | 22:03 |
| rcg | do you have at least "ifconfig" on mac? | 22:03 |
| rcg | am not really familiar with mac | 22:03 |
| rcg | only thing i know is that users claim that "it's a bsd" ;) | 22:03 |
| artemma | yep, there's ifconfig on mac | 22:03 |
| artemma | mac is more like "sort of a bad" :) | 22:04 |
| artemma | sort of a bsd* | 22:04 |
| rcg | artemma, hehe, ic | 22:05 |
| rcg | well then "ifconfig -a" should work for checking | 22:05 |
| artemma | well, it does output something :) | 22:05 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but nothing I know how to read fully :/ | 22:06 |
| artemma | not much different from just ifconfig | 22:06 |
| sandy_locke | I've got "en" "lo" "fw" "bridge" "p2p" "gif" and "stf" | 22:07 |
| sandy_locke | I assume it must be one of the "en" | 22:07 |
| sandy_locke | "en1" for instance is my wifi connexion | 22:08 |
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| rcg | sandy_locke, sry, gotta get off | 22:09 |
| sandy_locke | ok rcg, thx mate | 22:09 |
| sandy_locke | good night | 22:09 |
| rcg | and well, yeah, at lest the network interface naming scheme sounds like bsd-ish | 22:09 |
| rcg | sandy_locke, try to see with "ifconfig -a" if there is a difference when you detach/attach your device? | 22:10 |
| sandy_locke | no there is not ^^ | 22:10 |
| rcg | hmmz, then you should search for usb networking on mac | 22:10 |
| rcg | i am pretty sure that moslo configures the usb as network interface | 22:10 |
| rcg | you should see some output in moslo about this as well as an ip address | 22:11 |
| rcg | but, well.. gotta go. good luck :) | 22:11 |
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| sandy_locke | yeah I see an IP address which is typical for usb networking on mac but telent doesnt connect | 22:12 |
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