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iekkunemo bug triage starting07:01
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faenilmorning08:53
locusfmorning08:54
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w00tmmmh09:04
w00tat least you didn't try call it a good one09:04
* w00t shakes fist09:04
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faenilraining cats and dogs here....ahhhhhh, Pisa09:10
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w00tno rain here, just cold09:28
w00thttp://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Nord-Tr%C3%B8ndelag/Leksvik/Vanvikan/09:29
faenilw00t, not that cold :) thought it would have been worse over there already :)09:30
locusfhttp://ilmatieteenlaitos.fi/saa/kuopio <- 2.9 C here09:37
faenillocusf, are you finnish?09:38
locusffaenil: yes09:39
faenillocusf, oh :) didn't know09:39
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locusfeven my name says it, Aleksi Suomalainen09:39
faenilyeah the name is pretty finnish :P09:39
locusfAleksi Finn09:39
faenilyeah...09:40
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locusfwhat would one have to do, if one would like to record the video of user interaction via wayland compositor (eg. lipstick)?10:15
faenillocusf, hired by NSA eh? :P10:16
locusflol10:16
locusfwas just wondering for my research :p10:16
locusfit would help if I could get realtime images from the compositor as video to see what random users are doing with the UX10:16
Stskeepslocusf: glreadpixels should do the trick..10:17
locusfStskeeps: hmm, ok10:17
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sledgesreminds me time-to-market principle. if you got a brand new idea in this world, Åchances are someone else has too :D https://twitter.com/qole/status/38928215470363033610:32
faenilsledges, wow :)10:33
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Morpog_N9well, it's not really a new idea :)10:41
Morpog_N9only for a touch kbd10:41
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sledgesthat'Ãs what i mean10:42
* sledges should stop spitting the broken-utf8 symbols for once :D10:43
faenilahah10:43
locusflol10:44
sledgessince my friend's 24/7 irc server crash, new installation has broken utf8 terminal support.... need to prod him10:45
alteregoDoesn't sound 24/7 to me ..10:46
sledgeslast time i had to fix utf8 terminal was years ago, these days it should be oob10:46
sledgesso forgot it all :D10:46
sledgesalterego: too true ;) that's another problem, but can't blame him :))10:47
alteregoI dunno, I still have problems with UTF-8 all the time.10:47
alteregoDon't get me started on IPv6 either ..10:47
sledgesax it's ubuntu 13.04, no wonder the regressions.....10:47
alteregoSometimes I think the way we adopt things is so bad, we should forceably make ourselves use dialup modems again ..10:47
alteregoI suppose GSM/GPRS/UMTS/LTS blah aren't that much different essentially though.10:48
alteregoLTE ..10:48
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KhertanAtworkHello !13:24
KhertanAtworkSfiet_Konstantin, https://github.com/thp/pyotherside/pull/4 :)13:26
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thpKhertanAtwork: nice. but that only works for a single .py file, right?13:30
thpKhertanAtwork: we should probably really do something like importlib or importhooks or something, as one probably wants to put all files into the qt resources, not just a single .py file13:30
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KhertanAtworkthp, right13:32
KhertanAtworkthp, yep that the second part of the plan13:32
thpKhertanAtwork: so i'll probably not merge that right away, but wait for the full implementation, ok? :)13:33
KhertanAtworkthp, but look like hook to implement the module search and all the mechanic is a bit more complex if i want to keep 2.x compatibility13:33
KhertanAtworkthp, no problem that s ok13:34
KhertanAtworkthp, pushing the pull is more to show to other user that s possible if they are in hurry13:34
KhertanAtwork:)13:34
KhertanAtworkand OH GOD THERE ISN'T A TEST CASE !13:35
KhertanAtwork:)13:35
thpKhertanAtwork: i personally don't care about 2.x compatibility, but if it's not too hard to keep it, we should make sure that it works well (or at least still builds) for/with with 2.x13:36
thpsame for qt 4.x13:36
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KhertanAtworkthp, i know, that s important for me, as harmattan will never evolve to Qt5 nor Py3 :)14:09
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thpKhertan: py3k is actually simple, just install to e.g. /opt/python3/ and link pyotherside against it; i've done that on my own n914:15
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thpKhertan: as for qt5, it does exist, and at least qt 5.1 still has some harmattan specific mkspecs, but i haven't gotten it to build last time i tried14:15
thpand the snowshoe qt5 repos are kind of broken / the website doesn't work14:16
Khertanyep14:17
sledgesfaenil locusf : check check :) https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-configs-n950-n9/pull/414:22
locusfsledges: LGTM14:22
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locusfdamn the trackpoint is still to sensitive14:34
faenillocusf, what formula are you using?14:35
locusffaenil: I'm using a timer to tone down the key repeats14:35
locusfinterval was 2014:35
locusfso .002 seconds14:35
locusfor is it .0214:36
faenillatter14:36
locusfok, its now .05 seconds14:36
faenilthat's still 20 chars / sec14:37
locusfhttps://github.com/locusf/plugins/blob/master/nemo-keyboard/org/nemomobile/KeyboardBase.qml#L9114:37
locusfyeah14:37
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faenilhow is the timer triggered if you keep resetting it?14:38
locusfhmm good point14:39
locusfit still works though ..14:39
locusfwhich is strange14:39
faenilxD14:40
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locusf150 is quite good14:44
Khertanthp, a crappy alternative could be to extract all python source to a /tmp folder then add it to sys.path :)14:45
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thpKhertan: that's crappy, smells of race condition, and might not work on all systems (and it's slow ;)14:47
Khertanthp: some point me to pep302, i ll take a look14:47
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Khertanthp, i think i ve found how to do it properly, via find_module and load_module and compatible with py > 2.3 ... let me some day and i ll send u a patch15:42
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thpKhertan: ok17:30
sledges!seen niqt17:34
Merbot`sledges: niqt was last seen in #nemomobile 4 days, 7 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <niqt> today silent17:34
sledgesupdated updating %) section: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating#Nemo_Wayland17:34
sledgescould be useful info for niqt Âfor updoing the qmlpackagemanager ^17:35
sledgeslocusf: once this comes through (/me kicks faenil :D), https://github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/pull/5 , you can bake a new image from that final .ks, it will contain PackageKit17:36
sledgesand after it we could blissfully end this image baking thing17:36
faenilsledges, yessir! o/17:36
sledgesand have nice update process, with abilities to pull in newly introduces packages17:36
locusfsledges: okay17:37
faenilmerged17:38
sledgesyuppe, thanks faenil17:38
sledges:D17:38
faenilnp :)17:38
locusfthx17:39
locusfwill do an image now17:39
locusfso that will then be integrated to real releases?17:39
sledgesreal releases?17:39
sledges:)17:39
sledges;)17:39
sledgesi think we are quite far from them17:39
faenilreal releases17:39
sledgesbut would be nice yes to have that ability soonish (people stop asking and we stop baking)17:40
* faenil giggles17:40
sledgeseven called bleeding snapshots, would be nice (on releases.nemomobile.org)17:40
sledgesSage: ^17:40
locusfyeah17:41
locusfI mean snapshots but said real releases :p17:42
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NeeDforKillhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWjRqprCYAAH9QV.jpg18:06
NeeDforKilllooks nice18:06
locusfwow18:06
NeeDforKillso locusf18:09
NeeDforKillhow are u?18:09
locusfI'm good but buried in my studies18:10
locusfmetric f-ton of stuff to do18:10
locusfqwazix: ping18:15
locusfqwazix: do you want a slowed down and enlarged mousearea version of maliit?18:15
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locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile-packages/google-opensans-fonts <- finally18:56
locusfthanks w00t18:56
sledgeslocusf: Morpog_PC , faenil, qwazix , check last line of #mer--boss log and ^ lol you were faster18:56
* sledges otg ;D18:56
locusflol18:57
Morpog_PCyeah! finally :)18:58
locusfdevel:ux too18:59
locusfnice18:59
Morpog_PCbut your patch is not in yet it seems19:02
locusfyeah not yet19:02
locusfbut will be19:02
Morpog_PCbtw, the packagekit thing sledges wrote, should I do that on VM too?19:03
Morpog_PCI still ownder why I don't have a VKB at all :)19:03
Morpog_PCwonder19:03
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Morpog_PCah I just try and if it explodes I blame sledges19:04
locusflol, always a good approach19:05
Morpog_PCstill no VKB though :(19:07
Morpog_PCcutefox is damn smooth19:11
Morpog_PCon vm at least19:11
Morpog_PCbtw if anyone want to play with plymouth bootscreens, here are the need bootlogos for a lot of different resolutions: https://github.com/Morpog/nemo-artwork/tree/master/Boot19:12
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Morpog_PCinteresting, installing cutefox pulls in hunspell now. I wonder what Jolla does with spell checking in browser.19:17
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Morpog_PClol, they seem to love the shutdownscreen sledges, good tweet :D19:57
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sledgesthanks Morpog_PC , good screen ;)20:43
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sledgesoh man so nice with opensans on n9 ;)21:49
sledgesguys, try updating via `pkcon upgrade-system nemo-n950-wayland complete`21:49
sledgessee if that will pull opensans and updated lipstick+qt-components21:50
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Morpog_PCfaenil, QQC examples app now on correct orientation!22:06
sledgesnice22:14
sledgesit's all coming back together :)22:14
Morpog_PCyeah, nice to see the progress22:14
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Morpog_PChmm, opensans patch seems to be included, but I still don't see it used :(22:20
sledgesMorpog_PC: is all over the place on my n922:21
Morpog_PCor no, it's used22:21
Morpog_PCbut not on homescreen22:22
sledgesdid you update lipstick colorful and qt-components?22:22
Morpog_PCsure22:22
Morpog_PCit's not used everywhere22:22
sledgesdid you reboot (or `killall lipstick` as root ?)22:22
Morpog_PCsecond do a reboot22:22
sledgeskillall suffices22:22
Morpog_PCaaaaah much better :)22:22
sledgesthat was fast22:23
sledges:D22:23
sledgesbetter indeed ;)22:23
Morpog_PCyeah, SSD :)22:23
sledgesah22:24
sledgesvm22:24
sledges;)22:24
sledgesforgot :D22:24
Morpog_PC:D22:24
sledgesok, nite now22:24
Morpog_PCgood night!22:24
Morpog_PCcalendar seems to use old font though :(22:25
Morpog_PCmaybe hardcoded22:25
sledgesso is fingerterm22:25
Morpog_PCand dialer22:25
Morpog_PCwell, they get rewritten :)22:25
Morpog_PCfor glacier anyway22:26
sledgesnice, i just managed to turn wifi on, probably there was a sneaky update22:26
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Morpog_PCcool22:26
sledgescouldn't turn wifi on n9 since couple of days22:26
NeeDforKillhi guys22:27
Morpog_PChi22:27
sledgeshi guy22:27
Morpog_PC:D22:28
NeeDforKill;D22:28
NeeDforKillso22:28
sledges:)22:28
NeeDforKillwant ask22:28
Morpog_PCjust ask22:28
NeeDforKilli thinking about audio quality22:28
NeeDforKillso like sledges say it's closed drivers22:29
sledgesaye22:29
NeeDforKillwanted to ask what is the nemo future?22:30
NeeDforKilli know about first make components for glacier ui22:31
Morpog_PCwayland + qt5 transition + glacierUI22:31
sledgesNeeDforKill: closed drivers are for N922:31
Morpog_PC+ nemo running on android hw adaptions via libhybris, like Jolla device or Nexus 722:32
NeeDforKilln950 use another drivers?22:32
sledgesno, I think it's the same for N950 as well, I simply don't have N950 to test22:32
NeeDforKillDo you guys do that would nemo can be used in everyday tasks?22:32
sledgesnemo on N950/N9 has limitations - audio and camera quality, and no GPS (unless some hackers show up to reverse engineer the GPS chip)22:33
NeeDforKillor have a different development plan22:33
sledgesNeeDforKill: that's the ultimate goal, yes, but we'll switch to Jolla phone soon, to make that finally happen22:33
sledgesis faster as well (Wayland on N950/N9 is another performance issue due to the same causes)22:34
Morpog_PCto get N9 fully running we would need alot more people22:34
NeeDforKill u mean to switch to jolla to working on nemo or sailfish?22:34
Morpog_PCor alot more time :)22:34
sledgesnemo22:34
sledgessailfish is already worked on ;)22:34
NeeDforKillGuys I understand, thank you for your work22:35
Morpog_PCI dream of dual booting my Jolla device with SailfishOS and Nemomobile :)22:35
NeeDforKillso what audio drivers using nitdroid?22:35
sledgesNeeDforKill: i don't know, did you test is the phonecall quality good in nitdroid (same as harmattan?)22:36
Morpog_PCandroid ones22:36
NeeDforKillyes22:36
sledgesand does the caller hear you well?22:36
NeeDforKillno22:36
NeeDforKillmic not working22:36
sledgesMorpog_PC: nitdroid is on N922:36
NeeDforKillbut music22:36
NeeDforKilland phonecall without micro sounds very good22:37
Morpog_PCsledges, ah I forgot22:37
sledgesi wonder where they do reverse libhybris there :D22:37
NeeDforKilli can listen my FLAC music on nitdroid22:37
sledgesmusic is another driever22:37
sledgesseparate from phonecall22:37
sledgesNeeDforKill: thanks for confirming22:38
sledgesi think what used to be bad22:38
sledgesquality22:38
sledgesis the mic ;)22:38
sledgesthere definitel was something, sadly i fried my mic while soldering, so cannot test n9 now22:38
sledgesas in, the caller does not hear you clearly22:38
sledgeswhen you speak into mic22:39
sledgesdue to drivers, again, im only 75% confident22:39
Morpog_PCsledges, maybe noise cancelation active?22:39
Morpog_PCi disabled that on harmattan and quality was alot better then22:39
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sledgesharmattan phonecall quality for me was flawless oob22:40
sledgeswe just need proper testing instead of speculating :D22:40
sledgesbut with current nemo devel, no-one is putting a simcard in (yet ;))22:40
sledgesI'll buy some de-soldering braid soon, maybe can salvage my speakers still22:42
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NeeDforKill(((22:44
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