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| sledges | goood moorning | 06:37 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning sledges | 06:38 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning gents | 06:39 |
| * dm8tbr idly ponders if he has to take any special precautions to boot mer/nemo on an UEFI system | 06:43 | |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: joggler was one | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | so not really | 06:43 |
| dm8tbr | ok | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | what are you planning on haxx0ring? | 06:43 |
| dm8tbr | I have those FRI2 things kicking around | 06:43 |
| dm8tbr | intel was giving them away | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | hmm :P | 06:44 |
| dm8tbr | did we have XBMC packages for mer? | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | somewhere i think | 06:44 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 06:45 |
| dm8tbr | I remember Sage playing with it, that's why I asked | 06:45 |
| dm8tbr | any thoughts on a HMI paradigm for STB? just realized I could put the sailfish image on it too | 06:47 |
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| Stskeeps | well, you could always pursue a "phone turns into touchpad for tv" kind of thing | 06:48 |
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| dm8tbr | or a openCV mouse type of thing | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 06:49 |
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| dm8tbr | generally interesting stuff to explore, if one would have all the time | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 06:50 |
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| iekku | morning | 07:05 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning iekku | 07:16 |
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| locusf | morning | 08:10 |
| rantom | Morning | 08:23 |
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| locusf | hmm this didn't really work with shader :/ https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/286182/slider-shader.png | 08:44 |
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| faenil | o/ | 09:03 |
| locusf | \o | 09:03 |
| faenil | iekku, awesome to see your nick change :) | 09:07 |
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| locusf | http://www.modernette.ca/press/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing-science-dog.jpg <- me and shaders | 09:17 |
| zbenjamin | morning all | 09:22 |
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| zbenjamin | faenil: did you try my patches already? | 09:23 |
| mric_ | locusf, hahah | 09:23 |
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| iekku | faenil, :) | 09:29 |
| iekku | faenil, feels awesome too | 09:29 |
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| *** dalecooper is now known as sandy_locke | 10:08 | |
| sandy_locke | Hi faenil | 10:09 |
| faenil | iekku, great, so happy to hear that :) | 10:09 |
| sandy_locke | Remember me ? From talk.maemo | 10:09 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, hey o/ nope :( | 10:09 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, hello :) nope XD | 10:09 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, the graphics guy? :D | 10:10 |
| sandy_locke | would like to join for nemomobile as a graphic designer | 10:10 |
| sandy_locke | yes :) | 10:10 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: then try ;) | 10:10 |
| faenil | ok :D | 10:10 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, managed to rotate homescreen? :) | 10:10 |
| sandy_locke | so where do I start ? | 10:10 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, so, qwazix is the graphics team lead, Hurrian and Morpog_Mobile are two other members :) | 10:10 |
| sandy_locke | Seems the project is already well advanced | 10:11 |
| zbenjamin | no :), i'm still busy to write the code examples i have to do for that job @ canonical | 10:11 |
| faenil | they'd be better at explaining things related to that :P | 10:11 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, oki ;) | 10:11 |
| sandy_locke | ok, thanks faenil | 10:12 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, it seems like they're all afk atm | 10:12 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, so, basically | 10:12 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: the apps even rotate when they are minimized btw | 10:12 |
| zbenjamin | you know where you can see all running apps | 10:12 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, there are two main designs for the new Nemomobile UI | 10:12 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, yeah that just takes a picture of the fb I guess :) | 10:13 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, Glacier (idea by Hurrian) and Breeze (idea by qwazix) | 10:13 |
| faenil | Glacier is mostly a flat design, and it's the one we're working on right now | 10:13 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: what also already works is that the gesture direction to swipe out a app changes with the orientation | 10:13 |
| faenil | we hope to add Breeze later on top as Glacier's theme or something | 10:13 |
| sandy_locke | Is there a page or wiki to see that , faenil . | 10:13 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, but most importantly | 10:14 |
| sandy_locke | ? | 10:14 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, yes let me get to that D: | 10:14 |
| sandy_locke | ok ^^ | 10:14 |
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| faenil | sandy_locke, most importantly you should read all posts in Glacier's blog | 10:15 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, so, starting from here http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 10:15 |
| faenil | read and hit "Next" at the beginning of the article, until you reach the most up to date post :P | 10:15 |
| faenil | it's about 20 posts or so :) should be able to read everything in 1 hour or so I'd say | 10:16 |
| faenil | or less | 10:16 |
| sandy_locke | ok, nice :) | 10:17 |
| sandy_locke | some good readings on the whole nemo mobile project, faenil ? | 10:18 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, there's not much on the wiki, but here you go https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 10:19 |
| sandy_locke | thanks, it seems good enough | 10:21 |
| sandy_locke | does it install on top of harmattan or can I put it in place of a (not installed) android partition (using backup menu) ? | 10:22 |
| sandy_locke | also maybe a way to reach qwazix easily ? | 10:23 |
| sandy_locke | faenil ^ | 10:23 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, qwazix will be here sooner or later today (I guess), you can try pinging him on twitter | 10:24 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, about Nemo, you can either replace harmattan, or install it as dual-boot or triple-boot (if you want nitdroid as well) | 10:25 |
| faenil | you can find installation tutorials on the wiki | 10:25 |
| sandy_locke | faenil, well I use backup menu so there's a free room fro android usualy. I'll put nemomobile in there if it's possible | 10:26 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix twitter is @qwazix ? | 10:27 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, what's backup menu? | 10:27 |
| faenil | yes https://twitter.com/qwazix | 10:28 |
| sandy_locke | open mode hack to multi boot while having a backup "os" on separate partition | 10:28 |
| faenil | don't know how often he checks twitter ;) | 10:28 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, ah ok, I had never heard about BackupMenu :) | 10:29 |
| sandy_locke | I'll check his twitter account to see his recent twits, should give a hint :) | 10:29 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, I use ubiboot ;) | 10:29 |
| sandy_locke | ubiboot is for n900 or n9 , or both ? | 10:29 |
| faenil | n9 at least, not sure if there's an n900 version | 10:31 |
| faenil | which device do you have? | 10:32 |
| sandy_locke | n9 | 10:32 |
| faenil | ok | 10:32 |
| sandy_locke | ok, didn't know about ubiboot | 10:33 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix seems to prefer emails | 10:33 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, the readme of ubiboot is a bit messy, but it's just overcomplicated, it's not actually difficult to set it up | 10:33 |
| sandy_locke | by the look of his homepage | 10:33 |
| sandy_locke | no twitter feed since 4 days | 10:33 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, anyway, this is the repository for the graphics components of Glacier | 10:33 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, it could just be that he doesn't post/RT | 10:34 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec# | 10:34 |
| faenil | ^ that is the repository for the components specs | 10:34 |
| sandy_locke | ok; but I'll stick with BackupMenu right now, since it would mean a whole new clean install of everything ;) | 10:35 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, no problem ;) if you can get Nemo to boot :) | 10:37 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 10:37 |
| sandy_locke | yes, otherwise I'll begin with a virtual machine | 10:37 |
| sandy_locke | but eventually it will be on my device ;) | 10:38 |
| sandy_locke | So I'll clone the repo and get familiar with Glacier and Nemo M. | 10:38 |
| sandy_locke | I'll email qwazix soon to get in touch | 10:39 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, yeah VM will do for graphics work ;) and it's probably faster/better actually | 10:40 |
| sandy_locke | Hope I'll be of any help, they seem to do a great job just the two of them | 10:40 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, yeah they're all great, the problem is they have their job/university (I study at univerisity) so they don't have much time for it | 10:41 |
| sandy_locke | yeah ok, I have some time even with my job, so ... | 10:42 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, awesome :) | 10:54 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: always those jobs --- keep you from doing the real important stuff... like nemo | 11:11 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, yeah, well said | 11:11 |
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| faenil | bbl | 11:16 |
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| locusf | https://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/77fc5101977c825d3f3b056f2110e6a94679fcc1 <- some progress towards shader implemented slider | 11:51 |
| sledges | so you're not the science dog anymore locusf ? :) | 11:57 |
| sledges | scrnshot? ;) | 11:58 |
| locusf | nah it looks terrible :p | 11:59 |
| sledges | :D | 11:59 |
| locusf | but ok sure, as a development snapshot | 11:59 |
| sledges | already seen the matrix shader :)) | 11:59 |
| sledges | *matricy green | 12:00 |
| locusf | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/286182/slider-shader.png | 12:00 |
| sledges | ehehey | 12:01 |
| sledges | so does it use the image? | 12:01 |
| sledges | or draws all on its own | 12:01 |
| sledges | instead of transforming the image | 12:01 |
| locusf | it uses the image yes | 12:02 |
| locusf | and draws as is now | 12:02 |
| sledges | right | 12:02 |
| locusf | but doesn't really do so | 12:02 |
| sledges | 1:1 bitblt | 12:02 |
| locusf | as can be seen | 12:02 |
| sledges | :) | 12:02 |
| sledges | yes | 12:02 |
| sledges | is taller stretched | 12:02 |
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| m4r0v3r | is anybody around? | 13:53 |
| alterego | I think I've actually managed to pursuade my girlfriend to not get another iPhone. | 13:53 |
| alterego | I consider this a big win. | 13:53 |
| m4r0v3r | anybody at all on building an image of nemo mobile? | 13:55 |
| alterego | What seems to be your problem? | 13:55 |
| m4r0v3r | the repos already inserted are down, is there an alternate set? | 13:55 |
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| alterego | Can you use pastie.org to paste your kickstart? | 14:01 |
| alterego | .ks file that is. | 14:02 |
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| m4r0v3r | sure | 14:11 |
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| alterego | Hah | 14:13 |
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| m4r0v3r | repo --name=mer-core --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/@MER_RELEASE@/builds/armv7hl/packages --debuginfo repo --name=nemo-ux --baseurl=http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/@FLAVOUR@:/ux/@NEMO_RELEASE@_armv7hl/ repo --name=nemo-adaptation-tegra3-nexus7 --baseurl=http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/@FLAVOUR@:/hw:/nv:/tegra3:/nexus7/latest_armv7hl/ repo --name=nemo-apps --baseurl=http://repo.merproject.org/obs/ | 14:16 |
| m4r0v3r | these are the repos its using | 14:17 |
| m4r0v3r | at the moment I need to edit it to stock | 14:17 |
| alterego | Okay, what mic command are you running? | 14:18 |
| m4r0v3r | to just use vanilla nemo mobile, no adaption | 14:18 |
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| alterego | Have you added the correct token map? | 14:18 |
| m4r0v3r | token map? | 14:18 |
| m4r0v3r | am guessing that fills in the attributes? | 14:18 |
| alterego | Yes | 14:18 |
| m4r0v3r | nope how would I create one of those? | 14:19 |
| alterego | You need to add something like this: --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel | 14:19 |
| alterego | To your mic command line | 14:19 |
| m4r0v3r | can this not be included in the file? | 14:19 |
| alterego | Possibly, but I don't know how | 14:21 |
| alterego | lbt: ^ | 14:21 |
| m4r0v3r | also if i want to edit the format the file is outputted in, is it mic cr "edit here?" | 14:22 |
| alterego | m4r0v3r: I'd just use that parameter for now to get the ball rolling, you can always wrap your mic command in a script or alias or something. | 14:22 |
| alterego | I usually edit the .ks file directly. | 14:22 |
| alterego | cr, create is meant for making your image. | 14:23 |
| m4r0v3r | how would the token map option fit in? its not liking it | 14:23 |
| m4r0v3r | am tempted to just edit the ks file tbh | 14:23 |
| alterego | Can you paste your mic command | 14:24 |
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| m4r0v3r | mic cr raw nemo-armv7hl-pandaboard-rnd.ks --arch=armv7hl --pkgmgr=zypp --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel | 14:24 |
| alterego | Actually you can add that to the -*-mic2-options-*- magic header and use: mic create auto your.ks -o ./output/path | 14:26 |
| m4r0v3r | ah cheers | 14:30 |
| m4r0v3r | ive gone with the quick and hacky place them into the actual file for now, | 14:30 |
| m4r0v3r | at the moment I just need a loop image | 14:30 |
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| m4r0v3r | there was the guy to ask as well since am attempting to port an image to nexus 4 lol | 14:32 |
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| faenil | o/ | 15:53 |
| alterego | Aloha | 15:58 |
| faenil | alterego, hey how you doing | 16:03 |
| alterego | Not bad, hacking as usual, getting to the point where I'm thinking pub is a good idea :) How're you doing? | 16:04 |
| faenil | I guess I'll start hacking now :) doing good, got to start studying and stop hacking for more than 1 month, but that's hard to do as you might imagine... | 16:05 |
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| faenil | though I'm running out of time :( | 16:05 |
| locusf | same here :/ | 16:06 |
| faenil | locusf, :/ | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | hacking in all your waking hours as part of work isn't too glorious either | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:07 |
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| alterego | Yes, you don't want to burn out. :) | 16:07 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, :D | 16:08 |
| faenil | now, seriously, time to start the Header :) | 16:09 |
| sandy_locke | btw faenil, thanks :) | 16:11 |
| sandy_locke | had to go quickly earlier | 16:12 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, no problem :) ask away whenever needed ;) | 16:12 |
| sandy_locke | thank you :) | 16:12 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, hi! | 16:20 |
| qwazix | saw your email | 16:20 |
| faenil | great, here comes qwazix :) | 16:20 |
| qwazix | (btw I do check out twitter rather frequently, but I don't post much) | 16:20 |
| qwazix | hi faenil! | 16:21 |
| faenil | qwazix, o/ | 16:21 |
| sandy_locke | hi qwazix | 16:26 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, welcome on board! | 16:26 |
| sandy_locke | sent you an email just 30 min ago | 16:26 |
| sandy_locke | thanks | 16:26 |
| sandy_locke | happy to help :) | 16:26 |
| qwazix | Yeah, I saw it. Do you prefer I reply to that or can we chat here? | 16:27 |
| faenil | chat here, so that next contributors can read it :D | 16:27 |
| sandy_locke | we can chat here | 16:27 |
| qwazix | yeah I prefer that too | 16:27 |
| sandy_locke | emails are slow ;) | 16:27 |
| sandy_locke | so I looked into the repo and the svg's | 16:28 |
| faenil | qwazix, what's the 40u here? https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/header/header.png | 16:28 |
| faenil | button row can be 50u already | 16:28 |
| sandy_locke | it's already a nice work | 16:28 |
| qwazix | faenil, that's probably a bug, leftover from another spec page | 16:28 |
| qwazix | please ignore it and I'll remove it | 16:29 |
| faenil | qwazix, ah, ok, so I'd need info on spacing | 16:29 |
| faenil | also, 240u width? half screen? | 16:29 |
| qwazix | oops, yeah, that's wrong too. It's 480u | 16:29 |
| qwazix | thanks for spotting. Use spacing info from Morpog's listView | 16:30 |
| faenil | qwazix, maybe you want "screensize.width" there | 16:30 |
| qwazix | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/listview/listview-medium.png | 16:30 |
| qwazix | faenil, or anchoring left and right to the page | 16:31 |
| qwazix | faenil, also, we might want to have a smaller height when in landscape like harmattan does, | 16:32 |
| faenil | qwazix, also, I think we need some constants like "smallText, smallIcon" stuff like that | 16:32 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, there are a couple of things in the pipeline | 16:32 |
| sandy_locke | ok, tell me | 16:33 |
| qwazix | faenil, true, I'll put it to the top of my list | 16:33 |
| faenil | thank you | 16:33 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, one thing is to list all needed components. We have started speccing the most obvious ones, but there isn't a full list yet | 16:34 |
| qwazix | another one is that we need a boatload of icons. Default application icons are already done by me, but we need everything else used in the OS. | 16:35 |
| qwazix | Like signal icon, battery icon, settings applets icons (some of them are already done by hurrian but need polish), system wide app icons (save, share, bluetooth, music, nfc, etc etc) | 16:36 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix, ok, for the components I assume we can get a list from the devs ? | 16:36 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, it's not that simple :P | 16:36 |
| sandy_locke | Do you have a graphic chart for the icons, qwazix ? | 16:36 |
| sandy_locke | arf, why not ? | 16:37 |
| qwazix | Qt quick controls have a lot of controls inherited from the desktop which we don't want or need, or even because we _want_ to avoid them. | 16:37 |
| faenil | and they miss other controls which we need :) | 16:38 |
| qwazix | so deciding which controls we will use happens by browsing through popular apps on various platforms, seeing which controls are useful and look good, and if they are not redundant we use them | 16:38 |
| sandy_locke | ok I see | 16:38 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:38 |
| sandy_locke | so you have a list of what has already be checked ? Or do I use the list of controls from the repo ? | 16:39 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, example: for a control that has two states there is the checkbox, the switch, a toggle button and icons that change color | 16:39 |
| qwazix | we don't want to give app developers so much choice as we will cause inconsistent apps. We decided to go with switch for toggles and checkbox for lists and that's all | 16:40 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, the only controls that we are sure about exist as folders in the repo | 16:40 |
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| sandy_locke | ok | 16:40 |
| qwazix | for the list of icons, a nice source is the meego theme in the N9 | 16:41 |
| qwazix | /usr/share/themes/meegotouch/*/icons | 16:41 |
| qwazix | we need almost all those icons | 16:41 |
| qwazix | creating a list of needed icons is also up for grabs | 16:42 |
| sandy_locke | ok, can do :) | 16:42 |
| qwazix | a third thing that is to be done is speccing more components in the same style as the current specs | 16:43 |
| qwazix | always remember that we all contribute here for fun, so feel free to choose whatever job you feel more like doing | 16:43 |
| qwazix | I just outlined roughly what's now on the table, but if you think of something that will eventually have to be done, and want to do it, by all means. | 16:45 |
| sandy_locke | ok, I'll think about it ^ | 16:46 |
| qwazix | when we are done speccing all the components next up is creating detailed mockups of each of the core apps | 16:46 |
| sandy_locke | I like components and icons alike | 16:46 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:46 |
| sandy_locke | the latest sources of nemo mobile include all the latest gfx work ? | 16:47 |
| qwazix | faenil, do you know if anybody has started working on the listView? | 16:48 |
| sandy_locke | it would be good to install it in vm and see from it | 16:48 |
| faenil | qwazix, not that I know | 16:48 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, up to now there is an implementation of the button, the virtual keyboard and the (incomplete) slider | 16:48 |
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| faenil | and text field | 16:49 |
| qwazix | ah yeah, that too | 16:49 |
| qwazix | faenil, I might add a feature to the listView, still thinking about it. | 16:49 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:49 |
| faenil | oki | 16:49 |
| sandy_locke | thx | 16:49 |
| qwazix | An easy way to select multiple items by swiping. | 16:50 |
| sandy_locke | You have a psd for the icons ? like a template | 16:50 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, all artwork is done in inkscape in vector format | 16:50 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:50 |
| sandy_locke | there's a repo for the icons ? | 16:50 |
| qwazix | so that we can scale up with dpi, but the software used isn't a hard requirement | 16:51 |
| qwazix | yeah, let me find it | 16:51 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix, I'll use sketch on mac for svg, is that ok ? | 16:51 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:51 |
| qwazix | no problem | 16:52 |
| qwazix | inkscape works on mac too (just in case there is something that doesn't look exactly the same) but it's not exactly native there | 16:52 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix, an idea for the stock icons: don't you think we could use same color/tones ? so that they're easily distinguishable | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I have inkscape but I'm more familiar with sketch | 16:53 |
| qwazix | same as what? | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | the stock icons | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | together, have the same color or tone | 16:54 |
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| sandy_locke | ^^ | 16:54 |
| sandy_locke | I mean "dominant color/tone" btw, qwazix | 16:54 |
| qwazix | Icons repo: https://github.com/qwazix/nemoux and an image http://qwazix.github.io/nemomobile.github.com/#iconography | 16:55 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, for system icons, yes, for the application icons I think we should stick to colorful ones | 16:55 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:56 |
| qwazix | I like this iconset and it got pretty good reception too so I'm not too inclined to change it | 16:56 |
| qwazix | maybe some tweaks here and there | 16:57 |
| qwazix | (we'll probably rething the documents icon and make it more like the one hurrian did in the glacier mockup) | 16:57 |
| qwazix | *rethink | 16:57 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, document in glacier mockup is more relevant I think | 16:59 |
| sandy_locke | the todo icon is a bit simplistic | 16:59 |
| sandy_locke | overall the icons are good :) | 16:59 |
| faenil | rebooting | 17:00 |
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| qwazix | if you have a proposal for the todo icon, I have no problem replacing it, I agree it's nothing special | 17:00 |
| sandy_locke | I really really like the clock and terminal icons btw ;) | 17:00 |
| sandy_locke | ok qwazix | 17:00 |
| qwazix | the clock is Hurrian's design | 17:01 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, also http://qwazix.github.io/nemomobile.github.com/ is something that needs some love, but it's low on the priority list | 17:01 |
| qwazix | as this is meant as a guide for application developers once we reach a stable quality UI | 17:02 |
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| sandy_locke | ok | 17:03 |
| qwazix | I hope I didn't scare you too much :P | 17:03 |
| sandy_locke | but I assume I should follow the guidelines anyway ? | 17:03 |
| sandy_locke | no no, it's good :) | 17:03 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, the guidelines are from before Glacier, when we had the harmattan theme, so some things might not exactly apply | 17:04 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:04 |
| qwazix | the idea right now is that we are a pretty small team that communicate the spirit of the new design mostly here and through the blog, and try to create a common feeling of what we want to have as a final product | 17:05 |
| qwazix | as we create more art this can start to be articulated in english, and have enough examples that convey the look/feel to the outside world so that app developers and new contributors as the community grows can get faster up to speed | 17:06 |
| qwazix | for now it needs certain amount of time of looking at hurrian's mockups and existing controls and quite some imagination | 17:07 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:08 |
| sandy_locke | so is there some mockups from hurrian that are relevant for the current state of the project ? | 17:09 |
| sandy_locke | btw, is nemo m. compatible with harmattan apps or sailfish apps (although I doubt the last one), qwazix ? | 17:10 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, we have harmattan UI components | 17:12 |
| qwazix | nemo is compatible with harmattan apps, mostly. | 17:12 |
| faenil | but it takes at least a repacking | 17:12 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:12 |
| qwazix | Some require a recompile, some not. | 17:12 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, on my N950, I mounted the harmattan partition and was able to run apps already installed in harmattan | 17:12 |
| faenil | sledges, ping | 17:13 |
| qwazix | stock apps mostly don't work, but most 3rd party apps run fine | 17:13 |
| sandy_locke | ok, that's good news :) | 17:13 |
| sandy_locke | I was thinking, about the icons | 17:14 |
| sandy_locke | don't you think we should avoid grey, qwazix ? | 17:15 |
| sandy_locke | I mean, grey as a dominant color, like the maps or search icon ? | 17:15 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, why? | 17:16 |
| sandy_locke | because in my opinion (but everyone is a critic ;) ) it feels like win3.1 or something, a bit old | 17:17 |
| qwazix | hmm, I don't know, I don't particularly like grey, but it just worked there. I mean in what color can you depict a magnifying glass? | 17:19 |
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| sandy_locke | well, it could be brown for instance, but what I mean is the #dedede like grey that feels without contrast or depth | 17:20 |
| sandy_locke | (brown like wood btw) | 17:20 |
| sandy_locke | but anyway, it's just an opinion, nothing really of great importance ;) | 17:21 |
| sandy_locke | the maps icon could have the grey replaced by white, same white as the clock or text editor | 17:22 |
| qwazix | I don't know, we can try, though I'm not sure it will really make the overall look better | 17:22 |
| qwazix | I don't like maps icon too much, maybe we can ditch it and make a new | 17:22 |
| sandy_locke | hard to be really original for map icons, since we're overwhelmed by different designs from all platforms and services | 17:23 |
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| qwazix | sandy_locke, true | 17:24 |
| sandy_locke | I'm really influenced by what we see around us for this, like rounded pin and the like | 17:24 |
| qwazix | hmm... | 17:24 |
| qwazix | just a sec | 17:24 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:24 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix, hmm, btw, I need to know what font we use for the ui, because it seems like I don't have it on my mac | 17:29 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, Google OpenSans | 17:31 |
| sandy_locke | and which vm is best ? parallels or vb ? | 17:31 |
| sandy_locke | ok thx | 17:31 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, for vm I think you have to use vb, as you need to issue a special command to make it boot | 17:32 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:32 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, a wrote a tutorial for first time VM users | 17:33 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 17:33 |
| faenil | it should help you get started | 17:33 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, http://play.qwazix.com/nemo/iconset.png | 17:34 |
| sandy_locke | nice, that way I see more clearly the final look :) | 17:35 |
| qwazix | see the new maps icon. I like it better than before | 17:37 |
| faenil | bbl | 17:39 |
| sandy_locke | yes it's better | 17:39 |
| sandy_locke | I didn't see it ^^ | 17:39 |
| sandy_locke | the hole inside should be a bit smaller, no ? | 17:40 |
| sandy_locke | otherwise it's a nice red :) | 17:41 |
| qwazix | refresh your page :) | 17:42 |
| sandy_locke | yes, better :) | 17:43 |
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| sandy_locke | btw, qwazix, for hte wayland nemo vm image, I need to do it or can I use the i586 vm image from the first link / nemo m. repo ? | 17:44 |
| sandy_locke | or did I not understand eveything ? | 17:44 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, I'm not sure. I shamefully saying that I haven't set it up yet :| | 17:44 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 17:45 |
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| sandy_locke | ah ah, guess I'll have to figure out myself ;) | 17:45 |
| qwazix | I still got the X11 image on N950. I have to take the time and upgrade one of these days though | 17:45 |
| qwazix | I think there is a ready i586 VM image but not sure. | 17:46 |
| sandy_locke | I'll try the i586 image I found on the nemo m. repo first | 17:48 |
| sandy_locke | seems less struggles than all the command lines right now ^^ | 17:49 |
| sandy_locke | oh, for the maps icon qwazix, could you try and make it a little smaller (the whole) ? i.e: the size of the irc or settings icons for instance | 17:50 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, it's exactly the same size, optical illusion? | 17:51 |
| sandy_locke | hmm, maybe it's because it's near the settings icon then, which is a bit smaller | 17:52 |
| sandy_locke | it's optical illusion for sure for the other icons, you're right | 17:53 |
| sandy_locke | ok, waiting for the iso to dl :) | 17:55 |
| sandy_locke | so I think I'll start with a list of the harmattan stock icons | 17:55 |
| sandy_locke | then try to list what components are missing from the components repo | 17:55 |
| sandy_locke | I like to do things in order :D | 17:55 |
| sandy_locke | then do components and icons following my moods | 17:56 |
| qwazix | I did it a bit smaller. You should always believe your eyes | 17:56 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 17:56 |
| qwazix | :) | 17:56 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix, no I checked with a ruler: the icon is a bit too far on the right :P | 18:00 |
| sandy_locke | compared to the camera and twitter icons | 18:00 |
| sandy_locke | you want to go too fast :P | 18:00 |
| qwazix | alignment is random in that grid, I didn't bother with it as icons will be different images anyway | 18:02 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 18:03 |
| sandy_locke | nemovm.iso : 300mb @ 16kb/s ^^ | 18:03 |
| sandy_locke | found opensans qwazix :) | 18:04 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, now the ui svg mockups look _really_ nice :D | 18:05 |
| qwazix | :) | 18:07 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, why open sans -> http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=318 | 18:09 |
| sandy_locke | nice speach, qwazix :) | 18:12 |
| sandy_locke | I like the process of choice you used | 18:12 |
| sandy_locke | it's a great choice btw | 18:13 |
| sandy_locke | it's a really good alternative to Pure font | 18:13 |
| sandy_locke | smooth and nice to the eyes | 18:13 |
| sandy_locke | btw qwazix, do we have a way to propose changes easily ? like branches in git ? | 18:15 |
| sandy_locke | but more like a ticket filing system | 18:15 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, forking git repo and doing pull requests is the way | 18:17 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 18:17 |
| qwazix | but mostly discussion happens here, not in the pull requests as long as we're still a few people and mostly around | 18:18 |
| qwazix | but the PR's are a nice way for keeping on top of things | 18:19 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix , PR ? | 18:21 |
| sandy_locke | ah pull request, sorry | 18:21 |
| sandy_locke | so I propose changes directly to the master branch ? | 18:21 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix ? | 18:23 |
| qwazix | sorry was distracted, PR=pull request | 18:30 |
| qwazix | ah, yeah you got that | 18:30 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, for now we only have master as we are under heavy construction anyway | 18:30 |
| qwazix | and since the repo is only graphics and we don't fear failed builds it's ok | 18:31 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ok | 18:31 |
| qwazix | the development repos have branches though, and we're working on the Qt5/wayland branch | 18:31 |
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| sandy_locke | and what the idea behind mixing rounded ux and square ux ? | 18:32 |
| sandy_locke | they'll never be together on the same screen ? | 18:32 |
| qwazix | The general "rule" is that we have non-rounded rectangles and perfect circles | 18:32 |
| qwazix | nothing in between. On the original mockups there were some rounded rectangles but we have eliminated them | 18:33 |
| sandy_locke | in this sh http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SystemUI.png | 18:33 |
| sandy_locke | you removed them ? | 18:33 |
| qwazix | both switch and slider have changed and now they are (almost) flat and without rounded corners | 18:34 |
| qwazix | they do have circular elements though | 18:34 |
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| sandy_locke | oh yeah, I see that on the gfx from the repo ^^ | 18:35 |
| sandy_locke | can't find switches yet though | 18:35 |
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| sandy_locke | hmm, so for the progress bar, the percents will appear and then fly away with lower opacity, qwazix ? | 18:37 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, that's not a progress bar (though it would be similar) but a slider | 18:38 |
| sandy_locke | what do you think of this idea then, for a progress bar only ? | 18:38 |
| qwazix | how do you mean flying away? | 18:39 |
| sandy_locke | like, the percents fly away with lowering opacity the further the progress bar goes | 18:39 |
| sandy_locke | they appear like they do with the sliders, and then "fly" above quickly, disappearing little by little | 18:40 |
| sandy_locke | like, hmm, like in platform games when you earn points while collecting items, the points appear on top of the character and fly away disappearing with opacity changing | 18:41 |
| qwazix | not bad | 18:42 |
| sandy_locke | it could make something different from the competition, don't you think ? | 18:43 |
| qwazix | if done right why not. | 18:46 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, that's what I think too | 18:47 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, downloading image from where? | 18:47 |
| qwazix | we don't want to overdo it with animations, but if it's subtle enough I'm in | 18:47 |
| sandy_locke | I could make an animated mockup maybe, to precise my idea | 18:47 |
| sandy_locke | it would be subtle, in my head it is anyway ;) | 18:48 |
| sandy_locke | faenil, what are you refering to ? | 18:48 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, you're downloading an i586 img, from where? | 18:48 |
| sandy_locke | faenil http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/images/nemo-i586-vm/ | 18:49 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, that's x11 | 18:49 |
| sandy_locke | ah ? | 18:49 |
| faenil | there are no official wayland images | 18:49 |
| sandy_locke | sh*t^^ | 18:49 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, otherwise I would have not forced people to build their own img :P | 18:49 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 18:49 |
| sandy_locke | right | 18:50 |
| faenil | but yeah maybe locusf can upload a VM image as well | 18:50 |
| sandy_locke | I would love to have a vb image ready to go ! | 18:51 |
| sandy_locke | it seems like a lot of time to build the wayland vm and install nemo by the look of the wiki | 18:52 |
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| faenil | sandy_locke, well, if you don't even have Mer SDK setup yes, it takes 1-2h, if you're not confident with it | 18:54 |
| sandy_locke | faenil, I don't and even though I'm confident, I would like to spend my time to other things ^^ | 18:54 |
| sandy_locke | faenil, on top of that it seems like I would have to launch first a linux vm and then the mer sdk with nemo | 18:55 |
| sandy_locke | seems like a lot of pain to check things etc... | 18:55 |
| faenil | :) | 18:56 |
| sandy_locke | you think someone has a working vm image to install wayland nemo mobile directly in vb, faenil ? | 18:57 |
| faenil | locusf is usually the uplaoder | 18:58 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 18:59 |
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| sandy_locke | well, I took a closer look and it doesn't seem so much pain after all :) | 18:59 |
| sandy_locke | but I'll still wait to see if locusf has something up his sleeve for me ;) | 19:00 |
| sandy_locke | you know when he is around faenil ? | 19:00 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, when he has times :) all days, anyway | 19:02 |
| sandy_locke | ok thx | 19:02 |
| sandy_locke | I'll check here later then | 19:02 |
| faenil | but you know, saturday night :) | 19:04 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, would love to party tonight too ;) | 19:05 |
| faenil | eheh | 19:06 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: https://db.tt/dECLNUB9 | 19:14 |
| locusf | there is the wayland x86 virtualbox image | 19:15 |
| faenil | awesome, I'll update wiki ;) | 19:15 |
| locusf | its 2 weeks ols | 19:16 |
| locusf | *old | 19:16 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, anyway, if you want to build packages for the VM you still need Mer SDK, so I don't know how shorter the path will be | 19:16 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, Qt5.1.1? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 19:26 |
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| sandy_locke | thanks locusf & faenil :) | 19:58 |
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