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| filip_n9 | Hurrian - 3.5 works on N9 | 04:55 |
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| filip_n9 | A lot.pf drivers are missing - I've made a spreadsheet with with | 04:58 |
| filip_n9 | the list what to do | 04:58 |
| filip_n9 | I'm using ubiboot-02 - let me know if I can help with your problem | 05:00 |
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| PMG | spiiroin, w00t, and others: will merge timed pull req in a hour or so if no objections: https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/pull/23 | 06:24 |
| PMG | And thanks for the help & comments! | 06:25 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:51 |
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| faenil | o/ | 08:05 |
| rcg | \o/ | 08:05 |
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| WWDrakey | Hello everybody! We at Nomovok are starting to develop an OSS software platform based on Nemo Mobile, and some of the stuff we'll be doing could probably benefit Nemo itself. | 08:26 |
| WWDrakey | We'll be doing stuff like updating apps to Qt 5, fixing bugs in various applications, creating a new homescreen, figuring out a GUI Toolkit for theming/widgets etc. | 08:26 |
| WWDrakey | Anyway, I'd like to have a bit of a chat with somebody about which portions of that work should be upstreamed, how it should be handled, who to contact for info on various aspects etc. | 08:27 |
| WWDrakey | So... any volunteers? :) | 08:27 |
| fk_lx | WWDrakey: wow, great news! | 08:27 |
| veskuh | w00t, Sage ^^ | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | WWDrakey: you might want to participate in the existing glacier UI effort and surround it around qt quick components | 08:28 |
| faenil | wait, what is that, a dream? :D | 08:28 |
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| WWDrakey | Stskeeps: What kind of documentation do you have for the plans with Glacier UI, anybody who could walk me through how you're thinking of proceeding with that? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | i guess faenil can point you to the right places? | 08:31 |
| WWDrakey | that would be great | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | just on what's been going on in community already | 08:32 |
| veskuh | WWDrakey, definitely all the bug fixes to middleware and Mer core would be best done to upstream also. For the apps that have not been ported to Qt5 I think upgrades would be appreciated. | 08:32 |
| veskuh | WWDrakey, the homescreen and toolkit is stuff that probably needs a bi tmore discussion. I hope your plan around that is to base it also to lipstick | 08:33 |
| SfietKonstantin | woooow | 08:34 |
| SfietKonstantin | wonderful ! | 08:34 |
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| WWDrakey | Yeah, we were thinking of going with Lipstick for the homescreen, and the toolkit stuff is still a bit open. For that I first want to get a good picture of what would be a nice and clean approach. | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | WWDrakey: also note that there's a push towards wayland, with effort going on, with already a virtualbox VM | 08:35 |
| SfietKonstantin | WWDrakey: faenil can point you on the VirtualBox VM kickstart fime | 08:35 |
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| WWDrakey | Yeah, I noticed the Wayland VM and the push in that direction, should fit nicely into what we were also thinking actually. | 08:36 |
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| veskuh | "Ready" toolkit alternatives are qt quick controls from Qt, and the MeeGo Components that mostly w00t has been maintaining. The latter we know suits mobile, the first one I wouldn't know. | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | qt quick controls is also used in qt for tizen, at least | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | though tizen is more widget-y | 08:40 |
| veskuh | Yeah, and I think they have plans to support more and more touch features, so depending on HW it might be good for you or not. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ , there's more than this though | 08:40 |
| WWDrakey | Yeah, I'm still a bit on the fence on whether to start building on the Qt5 versions of the Harmattan components, or trying to move to the Qt Quick Controls and start modifying them for touch use. | 08:42 |
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| WWDrakey | On the long run the Controls might be the better choice, but I don't have a good understanding yet of how much work it would be to try and jump over to start using those. | 08:43 |
| veskuh | Yeah, I'd prototype with some simple apps. | 08:44 |
| WWDrakey | Any idea which way Glacier will be going? | 08:45 |
| w00t | WWDrakey: so far the initial work has been to port to qt5 first | 08:45 |
| faenil | sorry was having breakfast, back now :) | 08:45 |
| w00t | with the possibility of looking at porting to controls later, once there's some more work in place | 08:45 |
| w00t | the theory being that we have something that works now | 08:45 |
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| w00t | faenil has been driving most of the UI ports, myself (jolla hat on) and the other jolla folks did most/all of the middleware some time ago | 08:46 |
| faenil | alright,so | 08:47 |
| faenil | as everyone said, currently we have a working Wayland VM image for Nemo | 08:47 |
| w00t | WWDrakey: i would suggest that you want to use lipstick, it offers quite a lot of useful bits and pieces you'll want for homescreens, and ties in with the rest of nemo's middleware for things like USB mode selection, volume control, notifications, ... | 08:47 |
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| faenil | I wrote a guide, you can find it here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 08:48 |
| faenil | that should guide you through the process of building the image and setting up the VM image and an SB2 target | 08:48 |
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| faenil | about the GlacierUI effort, we had a chat with guys in here | 08:50 |
| faenil | and thought it was better to first port all core apps to Qt5/QtQuick2 leaving components unchanged (i.e. still using qtcomponents-qt5) | 08:51 |
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| faenil | once all apps are ported and "as functional as possible" | 08:52 |
| faenil | we will start moving to QtQuickControls | 08:53 |
| faenil | about that: we decided we would go with QtQuickControls + custom controls needed to put Glacier UI into place | 08:53 |
| faenil | to realize GlacierUI, that is | 08:53 |
| faenil | Hurrian and qwazix, and Morpog_ are the graphics assets guys at the moment, so they will take care of the styling assets for the QtQuickControls | 08:54 |
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| faenil | (if there are no changes to the plans) | 08:54 |
| faenil | once custom components are ready and QQC are styled, we will move qtcomponents-qt5 apps to Glacier QQC | 08:55 |
| faenil | and create the new homescreen | 08:55 |
| faenil | (still using liblipstick, of course) | 08:55 |
| faenil | so, this is the plan :) | 08:56 |
| WWDrakey | Okay, that's pretty clear and straightforward. | 08:57 |
| faenil | great :) | 08:57 |
| faenil | so about current status: | 08:57 |
| faenil | we're porting apps to Qt5/QtQuick2 | 08:57 |
| faenil | I wrote a small tutorial and a "current status matrix", you can find it here | 08:57 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Qt5PortingCoreApps | 08:58 |
| faenil | we'll try to keep that as updated as possible | 08:58 |
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| faenil | but if you have anything to discuss about, or any new idea or feedback or opinion, we're all ears :) | 09:00 |
| WWDrakey | We're pretty much doing the same kind of work here right now, with regard to the Qt5/QtQuick2 porting... I think we have some kind of Qt5 versions of qmlcontacts and qmlmessages already and some minor fixes to libraries (related to that porting work). | 09:01 |
| faenil | awesome :) do you think you'll create PRs? | 09:01 |
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| w00t | (please do create pull requests) | 09:07 |
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| WWDrakey | Okay, faenil patiently walked me through your process for those - I think the answer is "yes". ;) | 09:12 |
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| faenil | great :) | 09:12 |
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| Morpog_ | that Nomovok guys did interesting work :) | 09:17 |
| Morpog_ | STE --> | 09:17 |
| Morpog_ | MeeGo integration for STE 8500 hardware | 09:17 |
| niqt | faenil can i use sailfish sdk to make a porting to qt5? | 09:19 |
| faenil | niqt, well, nothing is impossible, but I haven't tried it | 09:19 |
| niqt | faenil now i know that your sponsor is adidas | 09:21 |
| faenil | lol | 09:21 |
| faenil | wish I had a sponsor xD | 09:21 |
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| sledgeSim | good morning, what an amazing news WWDrakey \o/ | 09:22 |
| WWDrakey | Eheh, thanks. :) | 09:22 |
| faenil | :) | 09:22 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, morning o/ | 09:23 |
| sledgeSim | finished porting qmlcalendar yesterday o/ faenil o7 :D | 09:23 |
| sledgeSim | looking into local theme provider inheritance bug now | 09:23 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, I receive emails for all changes in nemomobile repos ;) | 09:23 |
| faenil | great, <3 | 09:23 |
| sledgeSim | and #mer-boss is a dead giveaway too what community and jolla is up to :D | 09:24 |
| sledgeSim | including who's buying the next pint for broken builds :D | 09:25 |
| faenil | lol | 09:25 |
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| sledgeSim | WWDrakey, more info and (most important) screenshots on glacier: http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/components.html | 09:30 |
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| sledgeSim | Hurrian, how about renaming "Digianalog clock" to something else, e.g. "Digilog clock"? :) | 09:40 |
| sledgeSim | hard to read the former | 09:40 |
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| sledgeSim | w00t, when mb building qt-components-qt5 : /usr/lib/qt5/bin/moc: error while loading shared libraries: libfontconfig.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 09:50 |
| sledgeSim | lrwxrwxrwx 1 simonas root 22 Aug 1 13:38 /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 -> libfontconfig.so.1.4.4 | 09:50 |
| sledgeSim | under sb2 | 09:50 |
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| w00t | mmm | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | i486 or arm? | 09:51 |
| sledgeSim | i486 | 09:51 |
| sledgeSim | humm | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | is libsb2 installed in target? | 09:51 |
| sledgeSim | but merdsk hasn't got fontconfig | 09:51 |
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| sledgeSim | now worked, after zypper in fontconfig under mersdk | 09:52 |
| sledgeSim | false alarm | 09:52 |
| * sledgeSim hides | 09:52 | |
| sledgeSim | but now another problem | 09:52 |
| sledgeSim | build finishes with Exit reason and status: signal 11 (core dumped) | 09:52 |
| sledgeSim | (same for libsolv ) | 09:52 |
| sledgeSim | full output: https://pastee.org/6aktd | 09:53 |
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| sledgeSim | will try to stick with osc build for now.. | 09:54 |
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| Hurrian | filip filip_n9: could you share your kernel builds? maybe my toolchain's broken. | 10:28 |
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| Hurrian | also, what hwrev's your N9? | 10:28 |
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| filip_ | HW rev is infamous 1603 | 10:36 |
| Hurrian | filip_: ah. no dice on 1507 building with instructions on the wiki. | 10:37 |
| Hurrian | mind sending me your zImage and lib/modules? | 10:37 |
| filip_ | I'll try to gather everything needed and put it on dropbox - that is OK? | 10:37 |
| Hurrian | Sure thing. I wanna see if it's my device, kernel, or toolchain that's a lemon. | 10:38 |
| sledgeSim | faenil, quick'n'dirty temp workaround for themes: `cd /usr/share/themes; cp -r base blanco` | 10:38 |
| sledgeSim | and you get the toolbar for free :) | 10:39 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, yeeea :D | 10:40 |
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| filip_ | Hurrian, compiled 3.5.3 image and modules https://www.dropbox.com/s/miu5kf8edeae6lq/3.5.3.tar.gz | 10:52 |
| Hurrian | filip_: much appreciated. time to go test this out. | 10:52 |
| filip_ | couple of configuration options changed but code is the same as on github | 10:52 |
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| alterego | PlexyDesk sounds interesting. | 11:23 |
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| Stskeeps | plexy? | 11:23 |
| alterego | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/plexydesk-ubuntu-linux-widgets | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:23 |
| alterego | Apparently that project has been around for at least 2 years. | 11:23 |
| alterego | Thinking of sticking it on Mer RPi | 11:24 |
| alterego | Though I'm guessing it's not as good as a wayland compositor. And no mention of QML 2 | 11:25 |
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| alterego | New it sounded familiar, they have it running on an N800 | 11:26 |
| alterego | Erm, knew .. | 11:26 |
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| w00t | alterego: there is a wayland homescreen now, iirc vgrade has tried it out on pi | 11:30 |
| alterego | Cool, I'll check it out. | 11:31 |
| alterego | I think I'm basically after a widget canvas, but having full compositing would be extremely handy. | 11:32 |
| w00t | did I ever show you https://github.com/rburchell/qmantle2? | 11:34 |
| w00t | I intended to hook that up to lipstick once it figured out wayland but just never got around to it | 11:34 |
| alterego | I'm not sure, did you do a video? | 11:34 |
| w00t | a few | 11:34 |
| alterego | Then yes, I probably did at some point :) | 11:34 |
| w00t | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_GE49c2fZk | 11:34 |
| alterego | Actually I don't think I have seen that, that looks quite similar to what I'm thinking. | 11:35 |
| alterego | Thanks :) | 11:36 |
| Superpelican | w00t:Was the demo in the video run on a RPi? | 11:42 |
| w00t | Superpelican: no | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | I suspected so ;) | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | is very smooth | 11:42 |
| w00t | I don't have any reason to doubt that it would still be smooth :) | 11:42 |
| alterego | vgrade got some nice results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USVN6RpIhSk | 11:43 |
| w00t | I should try it, someday, when I find spare time (hah) | 11:43 |
| rcg | w00t, looks nice :) | 11:43 |
| alterego | And everyone elses RPi demos seem pretty performant :) | 11:43 |
| Superpelican | w00t:But could the RPi run that demo so fast and smooth? | 11:43 |
| alterego | Superpelican: I'll let you know when I try it out :P | 11:45 |
| Superpelican | ok thanks :) | 11:45 |
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| faenil | QtQuick2 Fingerterm is up for grabs people! | 14:17 |
| faenil | working on Nemo X11 and Nemo Wayland | 14:18 |
| faenil | currently in fixed orientation only (landscape on n9/n950) | 14:18 |
| rcg | huzza :) | 14:20 |
| Superpelican | awesome! | 14:21 |
| sledgeSim | \o/ | 14:42 |
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| Morpog_ | btw, is there a TRIM tool included in Mer or Nemomobile? | 14:47 |
| Morpog_ | or does it by default TRIM with every file delete like on Windows? | 14:48 |
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| Morpog_ | ok doesn't look like it does :( | 14:54 |
| Morpog_ | [root@SailfishEmul ~]# fstrim / | 14:54 |
| Morpog_ | fstrim: /: FITRIM ioctl failed: Operation not supported | 14:54 |
| sledgeSim | Morpog_, sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda | grep "TRIM supported" | 14:55 |
| sledgeSim | whichever devnode that i | 14:55 |
| sledgeSim | s | 14:55 |
| sledgeSim | and afterwards it might be down to the kernel | 14:55 |
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| Morpog_ | kernel supports trim since 2.6.33 | 14:56 |
| sledgeSim | for any/all SSDs? | 14:57 |
| sledgeSim | also what does the first column of `du -sh /` output say? | 14:58 |
| Morpog_ | sledgeSim, I think so, TRIM is an ATA standard | 15:02 |
| Morpog_ | du: cannot access `/proc/497/task/497/fd/4': No such file or directory | 15:03 |
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| sledgeSim | basically, you need to be certain that / is physically your root dev SSD node | 15:04 |
| sledgeSim | mount | grep " / " | 15:05 |
| Morpog_ | /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,data=ordered) | 15:06 |
| Morpog_ | hmm, no discard option there | 15:06 |
| sledgeSim | /dev/root -- that's where my knowledge ends ;) | 15:07 |
| sledgeSim | but still it's not directly your SSD ;) | 15:07 |
| Morpog_ | ahh, thats what you wanted to say | 15:07 |
| Morpog_ | of course, it's the sailfishos vm | 15:07 |
| Morpog_ | just wanted to check if it's configured to use TRIM at all | 15:08 |
| sledgeSim | so fstrim is there - when physical hardware is connected which supports trim - it will | 15:08 |
| sledgeSim | with best hopes :) | 15:08 |
| Morpog_ | and when it's mounted with discard option (or done manually by a job with fstrim) | 15:12 |
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| sledgeSim | spooky option that one :D | 15:13 |
| Morpog_ | what a pitty that N9 kernel is 2.6.32 | 15:13 |
| sledgeSim | all hopes on filip's and Hurrian's effort | 15:13 |
| Morpog_ | TRIM did magic on android 4.3 | 15:13 |
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| sledgeSim | that's good to know Morpog_ | 15:18 |
| Morpog_ | could help our N9s too, or future Nemo devices with more up to date kernels :) | 15:19 |
| sledgeSim | depends on device | 15:21 |
| sledgeSim | jolla will be 3.x kernel | 15:21 |
| sledgeSim | so is pandaboard already | 15:21 |
| sledgeSim | panda is an old animal; you'd expect any newer device than that to have good enough kernels | 15:21 |
| Morpog_ | so you could try fstrim / on there? :) | 15:21 |
| sledgeSim | sure | 15:21 |
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| SfietKonstantin | what is the latest 3.X kernel ? | 15:39 |
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| sledgeSim | 3.10 | 15:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | sledgeSim: do yo know what new stuff kappened from 3.6 to 3.10 ? | 15:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | emulo uses 3.6 | 15:42 |
| Morpog_ | 3.10.5 to be exact :) | 15:42 |
| kulve | I'm running old 3.10.4 | 15:42 |
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| Morpog_ | 3.10.5 is long term | 15:42 |
| SfietKonstantin | good new, sailfish emulo image is displaying something on the iconia | 15:43 |
| Morpog_ | 3.6 is EOL :( | 15:43 |
| SfietKonstantin | bad news: it is just some pixels | 15:43 |
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| Morpog_ | lol | 15:43 |
| SfietKonstantin | well, some pixel noise | 15:43 |
| sledgeSim | 7o7 | 15:47 |
| SfietKonstantin | hum, libdrm radeon not installed | 15:49 |
| Morpog_ | hmm fingerterm works on sailfishos too, just the landscape only bugs it :) | 15:50 |
| SfietKonstantin | :D | 15:50 |
| SfietKonstantin | not enough :/ | 15:50 |
| faenil | Morpog_, ? | 15:54 |
| faenil | it starts in portrait here | 15:54 |
| Morpog_ | well, it's landscape but emulator is portrait | 15:55 |
| faenil | on Nemo wayland VM it starts in portrait | 15:55 |
| Morpog_ | its still called fingerterm, not fingerterm-qt5 or something? | 15:55 |
| faenil | yeah fingerterm | 15:56 |
| faenil | version 1.1.0 | 15:56 |
| Morpog_ | http://abload.de/img/unbenannt4ol5t.jpg | 15:56 |
| faenil | Morpog_, are you sure you have version 1.1.0? | 15:57 |
| faenil | because that bug is the qq1 version | 15:57 |
| faenil | zypper se fingerterm | 15:58 |
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| Morpog_ | zypper se doesn't show version | 15:59 |
| faenil | zypper info | 15:59 |
| faenil | sorry | 15:59 |
| faenil | I'm sure you have 1.0.6 | 15:59 |
| Morpog_ | yes you are right :) | 15:59 |
| faenil | eheh :) because Sailfish emul is using stable repositories | 15:59 |
| Morpog_ | hmm, thought I already added nemo repo | 15:59 |
| faenil | while qq2 fingerterm is on devel | 16:00 |
| Morpog_ | stable=latest? | 16:00 |
| Morpog_ | aaah, my fault, lol | 16:00 |
| Morpog_ | I need devel | 16:00 |
| faenil | don't use ssu to change to devel | 16:00 |
| faenil | just add nemo's devel and see if that helps | 16:00 |
| faenil | nemo:devel:mw that is | 16:00 |
| Morpog_ | wouldn't even have the idea to use ssu | 16:00 |
| faenil | ok | 16:01 |
| Morpog_ | alias already exists if I try to add it | 16:02 |
| faenil | then zypper install --from=REPONAME fingerterm ;) | 16:02 |
| Morpog_ | not a good idea to delte repo and readd? | 16:03 |
| faenil | why? shouldn't be needed | 16:03 |
| Morpog_ | the stable repo should be pretty useless anyway or? | 16:03 |
| faenil | use that command ;) | 16:03 |
| faenil | you have Jolla repos there | 16:04 |
| Morpog_ | ah ok, thought those are seperated | 16:04 |
| faenil | they are separated.. | 16:04 |
| SfietKonstantin | forgot linux-firmware :/ | 16:04 |
| faenil | I meant that you need jolla stable repos for the emul | 16:05 |
| Morpog_ | Repository 'http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/apps/latest_i486/nemo:devel:apps.repo' not found by its alias, number, or URI. | 16:05 |
| Morpog_ | strange | 16:05 |
| faenil | add repo (nemo MW, not apps) | 16:06 |
| faenil | then zypper ref | 16:06 |
| faenil | then zypper install --from=nemo-mw fingerterm | 16:06 |
| Morpog_ | it's on MW? | 16:06 |
| faenil | yeah, the one on apps s 1.0.5 | 16:06 |
| faenil | don't ask me why there are two :D | 16:06 |
| SfietKonstantin | :/ | 16:06 |
| SfietKonstantin | that souds bad | 16:06 |
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| Morpog_ | zypper in fingerterm was enough after I added the repo | 16:08 |
| Morpog_ | it upgraded the old one | 16:08 |
| faenil | strange, but ok | 16:08 |
| faenil | maybe it was already coming from that repo | 16:08 |
| Morpog_ | now works in portrait :) | 16:09 |
| faenil | :) | 16:09 |
| Morpog_ | some key are too small for the symbols | 16:09 |
| faenil | I know, I don't care about that at the moment :) | 16:09 |
| Morpog_ | like pgdn or tabulator | 16:09 |
| Morpog_ | :) | 16:09 |
| faenil | gestures/select/scroll will only work if keyboard is OFF and you have to perform them in the keyboard | 16:10 |
| faenil | though this is only a VM bug, it should be vboxtouch's fault | 16:10 |
| faenil | VM-only | 16:10 |
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| sledgeSim | i have a suspicion that local theme provider does not know how to serve .jpg and .png files. only .svgs get served <- w00t | 17:17 |
| sledgeSim | a decoder package missing i believe | 17:18 |
| sledgeSim | or a connection to it | 17:18 |
| w00t | search for qt5 plugins, there are a few for image formats | 17:18 |
| sledgeSim | ok this is in qt5-plugin-imageformat-jpeg | 17:19 |
| sledgeSim | I'll overwrite a non-served jpg with a random .svg in theme to prove my theory | 17:19 |
| sledgeSim | sec | 17:19 |
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| sledgeSim | ok, it looks like it know how to serve SVGs, and only from the "icons" folder. whatever is in "images" is ignored | 17:25 |
| * sledgeSim hometime, see you again soon | 17:25 | |
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