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| rikanee | qwazix and the rest on here: | 08:47 |
|---|---|---|
| rikanee | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 08:47 |
| rikanee | pretty much finalized Glacier by now. | 08:47 |
| rikanee | requesting comments and suggestions, if any. | 08:47 |
| rikanee | :) | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | have you guys thought about how you'd like to implement your component set yet? | 08:49 |
| rikanee | Stskeeps: we'll try to avoid making custom components, and we'll try to release two "themes" for Glacier. | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but i was thinking more like the qml components | 08:50 |
| fk_lx | rikanee: really nice work | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | as the old harmattan ones aren't particularly nice for let's say, qt5 | 08:51 |
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| rikanee | Stskeeps: doesn't qt5 let us make our own component styles? | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | there's something like http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtquickcontrols/qtquickcontrols-index.html at least | 08:52 |
| rikanee | ah, wait, Stskeeps, you mean components like bars, views, etc? | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | actual building blocks for implementing the ui :) | 08:54 |
| rikanee | I guess we could start parting the UI out into blocks, then implementing them as glacier-qt-components | 08:54 |
| rikanee | well, glacier-qt-components-alpha and glacier-qt-components-beta | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | would make sense to build of qt quick controls probably | 08:55 |
| rikanee | as qwazix wants the system to be themeable | 08:55 |
| rikanee | Stskeeps: can Qt use SVG for resources? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's something about it's not.. w00t, do you remember? | 08:58 |
| rikanee | most, if not all the stuff in the UI is easily vectorizable, and should save us some space. | 08:58 |
| rikanee | should also allow DPI scaling to not suck. | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | first thing you should do is get a sane components set, then rest of UI falls into place quite nicely :P | 09:01 |
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| * w00t reads up | 09:03 | |
| w00t | SVG is not fast to render | 09:04 |
| w00t | you could look at doing what istr that darko did, using SVG for "source" material but converting to PNG for deployment | 09:05 |
| w00t | another reason to be careful of Qt and SVG: Qt only supports a subset of SVG, and finding things that save that exact subset and never anything more can be a little challenging | 09:06 |
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| fk_lx | w00t: yes using SVG as source-only is the good way, even in SVG world there are incompatibilities like for example Inkscape SVG which is not a typical SVG etc. | 09:16 |
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| sledges | rikanee, fascinating! A great way to start Fryday :) | 09:32 |
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| NeeDforKill | hi guys | 09:47 |
| NeeDforKill | i have question about nemo n9 can some one help me? | 09:48 |
| sledges | fire away! | 09:48 |
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| sledges | everyone on this channel can help, just ask, if I don't know, someone else will and so on ;) | 09:50 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill, ^ | 09:50 |
| NeeDforKill | okay thank u, my question | 09:50 |
| NeeDforKill | i try to install nemo n9 | 09:50 |
| NeeDforKill | use guide from wiki | 09:51 |
| NeeDforKill | last time i use nemo-armv7hl-n950-0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1 | 09:51 |
| sledges | ok | 09:52 |
| NeeDforKill | when, i flash kernele , it repatitioned emmc | 09:52 |
| NeeDforKill | without errors | 09:52 |
| NeeDforKill | then i extract "sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-*.tar.bz2 -C /media/Alt_OS/" | 09:53 |
| NeeDforKill | all without errors | 09:53 |
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| sledges | (a calm before the storm :)) | 09:53 |
| NeeDforKill | but nemo not loading, | 09:54 |
| NeeDforKill | i try t ouse ubiboot | 09:54 |
| NeeDforKill | too, but meego,nitdroid loads, nemo no | 09:54 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill, did you umount /media/Alt_OS elegantly? | 09:54 |
| NeeDforKill | yeah | 09:54 |
| sledges | and/or with sync | 09:55 |
| NeeDforKill | last time with "sudo umount /media/Alt_OS" | 09:55 |
| kontio | and when you reboot, does moslo say it found an OS and continues? | 09:55 |
| kontio | or where does it stop? | 09:55 |
| xavinux | good morning people | 09:55 |
| NeeDforKill | it say alternative os found press volume down button to load | 09:56 |
| NeeDforKill | i press | 09:56 |
| NeeDforKill | so and have black screen | 09:56 |
| NeeDforKill | wait 10 min | 09:56 |
| NeeDforKill | nothing | 09:56 |
| sledges | plug usb cable and see dmesg | 09:56 |
| sledges | does usb0 ethernet come up | 09:56 |
| kontio | did you try (after waiting for 10min) if usb work ^? | 09:57 |
| NeeDforKill | okay now i have ubi installed ,who use it? | 09:57 |
| sledges | since ubi boots everything else, i think problem is in nemo, not ubi | 09:58 |
| NeeDforKill | y, mb with last image? | 09:58 |
| NeeDforKill | nemos* | 09:58 |
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| sledges | NeeDforKill, let's try obvious first, as kontio said: plug usb cable between n9 and your host whilst in black screen | 09:58 |
| NeeDforKill | 1 sec | 10:00 |
| NeeDforKill | yeah i plug usb | 10:00 |
| NeeDforKill | in off device | 10:00 |
| NeeDforKill | so now i have | 10:00 |
| NeeDforKill | welcome to n9 ubiboot ver . 0.3.3 | 10:01 |
| NeeDforKill | he based on Moslo ver. 0.0.13.1 | 10:01 |
| sledges | boot nemo into "black screen" | 10:01 |
| NeeDforKill | ok | 10:01 |
| NeeDforKill | make it | 10:02 |
| NeeDforKill | what next? | 10:02 |
| NeeDforKill | plug usb? | 10:02 |
| sledges | ye | 10:02 |
| sledges | and on your host type ifconfig | 10:03 |
| NeeDforKill | no, phone make restart | 10:03 |
| NeeDforKill | like a after pressing | 10:03 |
| NeeDforKill | nemo | 10:03 |
| NeeDforKill | phone not boot, he going to off | 10:03 |
| sledges | it looks like your phone shuts itself off when you boot nemo | 10:03 |
| NeeDforKill | yeah | 10:03 |
| sledges | you can check: | 10:03 |
| sledges | boot nemo | 10:03 |
| sledges | after 20 seconds press shortly power button | 10:04 |
| sledges | if white LED comes on | 10:04 |
| sledges | your phone is off (no nemo booted) | 10:04 |
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| NeeDforKill | do i need, do smth with "nemo-armv7hl-n950-vmlinuz-2.6.32.20130129.1-n950"? | 10:04 |
| sledges | I would like to reflash it | 10:04 |
| sledges | wait will give you quick and dirty hint | 10:04 |
| NeeDforKill | ok i wait | 10:05 |
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| sledges | at any rate, it would be best for you to try the newest image | 10:06 |
| sledges | http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/0.20130620.0.1/images/nemo-armv7hl-n950/ | 10:06 |
| sledges | I will update wiki | 10:06 |
| sledges | completely forgot that this one is a -release- and not a -snapshot- ;) | 10:06 |
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| NeeDforKill | =))) | 10:07 |
| sledges | so once Alt_OS mounts, wipe all of its contents, and then re-extract | 10:07 |
| sledges | from new image | 10:07 |
| NeeDforKill | okay doing it now | 10:07 |
| sledges | make sure you issue `sync` afterwards | 10:07 |
| sledges | i got into this healthy habit myself ;) | 10:07 |
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| NeeDforKill | can i delete old nemo version without telnet? | 10:11 |
| xavinux | if someone could please look at https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlpinquery/pull/5 to see if changes are ok | 10:12 |
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| sledges | NeeDforKill, delete it via exported Alt_OS | 10:12 |
| sledges | no telnet involved | 10:13 |
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| sledges | xavinux, sorry I'm not packaging expert to that extent. You should stand by for Sage as he'd started helping you | 10:21 |
| sledges | i.e., I'm not understanding how systemd and ldconfig stuffs work | 10:22 |
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| xavinux | sledges: it's ok, don't worry. I will wait till Sage or w00t can take a look at it | 10:23 |
| xavinux | how are you? | 10:23 |
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| sledges | I'm fine, just received this one yesterday: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171020524706 | 10:25 |
| * Sage is a bit busy but will review soon | 10:25 | |
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| sledges | hope not to snap too much, will start soldering to revive my n9 this weekend: http://www.nbl.fi/~nbl4321/?p=1676 | 10:26 |
| sledges | all good on your end? | 10:26 |
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| xavinux | sage: thank you :) | 10:27 |
| xavinux | sledges: congrats! | 10:28 |
| xavinux | you will have up and running your N9 again soon... :) | 10:28 |
| sledges | well too early to congrat, but let's keep fingers cross(compil)ed :) | 10:28 |
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| xavinux | :) | 10:29 |
| xavinux | sage: thanks for your review. Are there others package to work on? | 10:35 |
| NeeDforKill_ | sledges can't delete files or format alt_os | 10:35 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill_, `sudo rm -r /media/Alt_OS/*` | 10:36 |
| NeeDforKill_ | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo rm -r /media/ubuntu/Alt_OS/ rm: cannot remove ‘/media/ubuntu/Alt_OS/’: Device or resource busy | 10:37 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill_, add star | 10:38 |
| NeeDforKill_ | yeah,ty folder clear, now extract new version | 10:39 |
| sledges | bingo | 10:39 |
| sledges | :) | 10:39 |
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| NeeDforKill_ | "sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf 1.tar.bz2 -C /media/ubuntu/Alt_OS/" right? | 10:41 |
| sledges | oyes :) | 10:42 |
| NeeDforKill_ | in ubi boot using stable or unstable kernel for nemo? | 10:43 |
| sledges | don't know about that one | 10:43 |
| NeeDforKill_ | yeah, nemo booting | 10:45 |
| sledges | \o/ | 10:45 |
| NeeDforKill_ | thanks a lot \o/ | 10:46 |
| sledges | enjoy it as much as we do :) | 10:46 |
| NeeDforKill_ | u need add last version in wiki | 10:46 |
| sledges | especially when the new UI will be in place ;) | 10:46 |
| sledges | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 10:46 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill_, already added :) thanks! | 10:46 |
| NeeDforKill_ | thank u =)) it's concept? | 10:47 |
| sledges | yes | 10:47 |
| sledges | not far from reality though ;) | 10:47 |
| NeeDforKill_ | good luck with this beautiful interface )) | 10:47 |
| NeeDforKill_ | i need add repos or smth from wiki to update nemo? | 10:48 |
| sledges | cheers :) all thanks to community | 10:48 |
| sledges | depends if you want to go bleeding edge ;) | 10:48 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating | 10:48 |
| NeeDforKill_ | ssu what is this? | 10:49 |
| sledges | seamless software update | 10:49 |
| NeeDforKill_ | better for use now is? | 10:49 |
| NeeDforKill_ | for updates | 10:49 |
| sledges | it's coming from COBS/CSSU of N900 times (maemo.org) | 10:49 |
| sledges | yes | 10:49 |
| sledges | ssu should be already integrated into the latest release image you have | 10:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | mpone of updates few days ago leaded me to mess up X ( i mean after reboot i see only black screen) | 10:50 |
| sledges | ZogG_laptop, thanks, Sage sussed it out yesterday and fixed it | 10:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i cn say it's on as it' not black as turned off but black screen when i know it's on | 10:50 |
| sledges | systemd leftovers | 10:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: you got rid of systemd ? | 10:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | tell me please that yes :) | 10:50 |
| sledges | nope :) | 10:50 |
| sledges | ;P | 10:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | :( | 10:50 |
| sledges | leftovers from refactoring | 10:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | so what do you mean by leftovers? | 10:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | why do you still use it :( | 10:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | WHYYYY | 10:51 |
| sledges | some packages did not adhere to new layout | 10:51 |
| sledges | ZogG_laptop, no main distros use init.d scripts anymore. Everyone moved to systemd, with exception to ubuntu, which moved to upstart instead... | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: main distros? | 10:52 |
| sledges | Arch Linux | 10:52 |
| sledges | Mer | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | tell me what are those? | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | mer is not main | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | arch is a mess | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | what else? | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | fedora? | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | and suse maybe | 10:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | others are just other distros based on those | 10:53 |
| sledges | Mer is main for interactive embedded devices ;) | 10:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | mine use openrc | 10:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: mer is new one | 10:53 |
| sledges | I'm hardcore Arch user and Mer happened to follow along | 10:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | i tryed arch on laptp | 10:54 |
| sledges | some people like Ford, some others like Audi :) | 10:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | gave up after few days | 10:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's a mess :) | 10:54 |
| sledges | I used Gentoo, Arch was a salvation | 10:54 |
| sledges | Arch is for a command-line-happy user | 10:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 10:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm gentoo and now as well funtoo user | 10:54 |
| sledges | where you choose everything in your system from a-z | 10:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | why didn't you like gentoo? | 10:54 |
| sledges | too long to compile, I got an 8 years laptop, which is now breathing second life seamlessly with arch | 10:55 |
| sledges | pacman ftw too :) | 10:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: i had funtoo on n950 | 10:55 |
| sledges | but again, it's all IMGO | 10:55 |
| sledges | (G - grumpy?) IMHO :D | 10:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: gentoo is really so logical | 10:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | and as well i cjhecked aor and it's mess | 10:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | but again | 10:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | no images after the fix | 10:56 |
| sledges | ZogG_laptop, I'm not an expert of compile flags for my CPU and SoC, so when I tried arch, same packages were just running faster | 10:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: packages like? | 10:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm not master either | 10:56 |
| sledges | overall system feel | 10:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i do have proper use flags for me at least | 10:57 |
| sledges | in gentoo it was just too easy to mess up, especially when I went all bleeding edge (unmask all ;D ) | 10:57 |
| sledges | became an intense bug reporter | 10:57 |
| sledges | lol, but after 4 years of gentoo wanted something else to try. arch is the only one (linuxfromscratch is too much) | 10:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sledges: it was my first distro and i was noob(still noob :) ) | 10:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i messed up | 10:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | but there was nothing google and irc wouldb't fix | 10:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | just need t know ask questuons | 10:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | you learn a lot | 10:59 |
| sledges | ah, gentoo wikis went down | 10:59 |
| sledges | i had to go through on this great depression :) | 10:59 |
| sledges | their wikis were top notch | 10:59 |
| sledges | and then boom all went up in the air | 10:59 |
| sledges | :( | 10:59 |
| sledges | that contributed to my wish to switch | 10:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | handbook and blogs is enuf | 11:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | wiki has mirrors | 11:00 |
| sledges | arch wikis are miles ahead better than ubuntus e.g. imho | 11:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | there is documentation out there as well | 11:00 |
| sledges | who reads docs? :) wiki was addressing one specific issue after another (especially hard | 11:00 |
| sledges | ware support) | 11:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | arch wiki is nice | 11:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | used it few times | 11:00 |
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| sledges | hope gentoo wikis are back as they were in their golden times now | 11:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | there is that book doc project it actually have a lot of info | 11:01 |
| sledges | good good | 11:02 |
| NeeDforKill_ | zypper install -f -t pattern nemo-<DEVICE> i need write n9 or n950? | 11:02 |
| sledges | n950 | 11:02 |
| NeeDforKill_ | ty | 11:02 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill_, it should already be there(?) | 11:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | sledges: what's the DE used in nemo? | 11:03 |
| sledges | Development Environment? | 11:03 |
| sledges | Mer Platform SDK | 11:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | nope | 11:04 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill_, don't rush with that, I might have mislead you | 11:04 |
| * sledges off to a pub :) | 11:04 | |
| ZogG_laptop | Desktop envirment(how to speel it right?) | 11:04 |
| sledges | Lipstick QML | 11:04 |
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| NeeDforKill_ | anyway terminal say no thing to do | 11:06 |
| NeeDforKill_ | :D after this command | 11:06 |
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| xavinux | sage: Are there others package to work on? | 11:44 |
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| NeeDforKill | sledges | 15:34 |
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| sledges | NeeDforKill, please use SSU section of that wiki | 15:35 |
| sledges | if you want cutting edge or bleeding edge updates | 15:35 |
| NeeDforKill | i remember | 15:36 |
| NeeDforKill | so i have trouble with dual booting | 15:36 |
| sledges | the current image as is will surely say "Nothing to do" | 15:36 |
| * sledges hides | 15:36 | |
| sledges | :) what seems to be the problem officer? | 15:36 |
| NeeDforKill | where i can take "he Harmattan kernel and the kernel command line" ? | 15:37 |
| sledges | juiceme, ^ | 15:37 |
| sledges | NeeDforKill, isn't ubiboot doing the job already? | 15:37 |
| NeeDforKill | i want make it without ubiboot | 15:38 |
| sledges | I never tried this myself | 15:38 |
| NeeDforKill | i mean, i want make | 15:38 |
| NeeDforKill | for loading nemo without flasher | 15:38 |
| sledges | but harmattan kernel and cmdline should be under nemo /boot-orig/ folder | 15:38 |
| NeeDforKill | possible without ubiboot? | 15:38 |
| sledges | don't see why you want to go without ubiboot, but there's Dual Boot section in the Installing wiki | 15:39 |
| NeeDforKill | yeah,but where i can take harmattan kernak and cmdline? | 15:40 |
| sledges | it's backed up in your nemo /boot-orig/ folder | 15:40 |
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| xavinux | w00t: ping | 16:56 |
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| NeeDforKill | sledges one question pls | 19:26 |
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| lNeeDforKill | after update nokia n9 don't see sim card and not working dial | 22:38 |
| lNeeDforKill | it's normal? :D | 22:38 |
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| juiceme | sledges, hi | 23:15 |
| juiceme | NeeDforKill, hi | 23:16 |
| juiceme | ah he's gone... | 23:17 |
| juiceme | lNeeDforKill, hiya :) | 23:18 |
| juiceme | You maybe wanted to ask smthn about ubiboot...? | 23:19 |
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| lNeeDforKill | hi | 23:35 |
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