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| dm8tbr | moaning | 05:00 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: morning | 05:20 |
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| Sage | w00t: where is that controlpanel you made with qml? | 05:40 |
| Sage | broke image builds and need to fix it a bit you are still missing some deps ;) | 05:41 |
| Sage | or hmmp... I cant find it at all | 05:43 |
| * Sage ponders what is wrong | 05:45 | |
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| Sage | ah found it | 05:50 |
| Sage | w00t: about the obsoletes with the new stuff you need also to obsolete/provide the stuff that is obsoleted by the current stuff ;) | 05:51 |
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| w00t | Sage: ehh.. I did, what do you think is missing? | 07:41 |
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| Sage | w00t: https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=nemo-control-panel-applets.spec&package=nemo-control-panel-applets&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Aux&rev=ba4182bf10238642e8b0c83ce67092ff lines 43-44 | 07:44 |
| Sage | w00t: did you check those as well? | 07:44 |
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| w00t | I'll look at it shortly | 07:52 |
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| w00t | Sage: http://qtl.me/Yuv.txt any others? | 08:00 |
| Sage | w00t: I don't know others atm. no. | 08:03 |
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| sledges | it's frydai! | 09:06 |
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| Sage | ah, right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 | 09:26 |
| Sage | sledges: thx for reminder ;) | 09:26 |
| sledges | :D did't think you'll catch w00t's virus as well :) | 09:27 |
| sledges | *friday fever soudns better | 09:28 |
| Sage | sledges: I think that I have just a bit more controlled version of the virus ;) | 09:29 |
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| sledges | :) maybe | 09:31 |
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| Sage | w00t: btw, run specify would help ;) | 09:40 |
| w00t | ... | 09:40 |
| w00t | I blame it being too early | 09:41 |
| w00t | will look in a sec | 09:41 |
| sledges | it's at least as late as noon in the rest of europe ;) | 09:42 |
| w00t | sledges: that was done at 10 :D | 09:43 |
| sledges | fair play :) | 09:43 |
| sledges | w00t, photos to your cats and kittens don't work from your website :) | 09:43 |
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| sledges | wanted to show to my fiancèe, but failed epicly :)) | 09:44 |
| sledges | they used to work months ago ;) | 09:44 |
| w00t | mmm | 09:44 |
| w00t | that's strange | 09:44 |
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| w00t | they work now | 09:45 |
| sledges | ok wil recheck | 09:46 |
| sledges | that's odd | 09:46 |
| sledges | thanks :) | 09:46 |
| w00t | I fixed it ;) | 09:46 |
| sledges | we're also cat-crazy lol | 09:46 |
| sledges | got 2 at home, and another 3 stray cats wandering around outside :)) | 09:47 |
| w00t | we're down to 3 now, the 4th one went to my MIL where he seems to be happier | 09:48 |
| sledges | windMIL ? | 09:48 |
| sledges | :)) | 09:48 |
| w00t | mother in law :) | 09:49 |
| sledges | :)) | 09:49 |
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| faenil | o/ | 10:58 |
| sledges | \o | 10:59 |
| faenil | live from webchat with z10 xD | 10:59 |
| faenil | i wonder if it stays connected if i minimize the browser :) | 10:59 |
| sledges | :)) | 11:01 |
| sledges | we'll tell :D | 11:01 |
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| anYc | hi, could someone create a "latest" symlink on the server so we can ust a static URL to download nemo? | 11:07 |
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| sledges | anYc, that would never be "latest" as hours after release there would be updates pending already :) | 11:08 |
| sledges | it's a rolling update | 11:08 |
| sledges | so do zypper ref & dup and you'll be up to speed | 11:08 |
| sledges | latest 'snapshots' probably is what you thought about | 11:09 |
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| anYc | yes, I meant the snapshots, e.g., for my installer | 11:49 |
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| sledges | could be done, if you argument it well, lbt might even do it for you ;) | 12:11 |
| sledges | anYc, ^ | 12:11 |
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| Sage | anYc: well not sure if that helps you actually | 12:40 |
| Sage | e.g. http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1/nemo-armv7hl-n950/ contains already different tar.bz2 filename | 12:41 |
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| anYc | Sage: no, I mean a "latest" symlink that is in here http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/ and points to the most recent release | 12:57 |
| anYc | so I can add a URL to my installer that downloads the latest install image automatically | 12:57 |
| anYc | Sage: ah sorry, misunderstood your hint | 12:58 |
| anYc | well, at least the n900 directory contains generic filenames | 12:58 |
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| sledges | how about just ignore the filename and download whatever *.tar.bz2 is in there? | 13:00 |
| anYc | I would have to parse the index.html | 13:01 |
| anYc | well, it's not that important, if it's not much trouble I think it would help | 13:02 |
| sledges | wget can do it for you | 13:02 |
| anYc | does this work for http as well or only for ftp? | 13:02 |
| * anYc tries | 13:03 | |
| sledges | this worked for me, do download all files (crawl): wget -r -R * http://website/folder | 13:03 |
| sledges | with index.html in folder (wget automagically looks for one) | 13:03 |
| sledges | so should work also: wget -r -R *.tar.bz2 http://website/folder/ | 13:04 |
| sledges | (fingers cross(compile)d) | 13:04 |
| anYc | okay, it works with "-A *.suffix" -R is the opposite | 13:06 |
| sledges | ok, was about to suggest parameter shuffle :) | 13:07 |
| sledges | to stop recursing | 13:07 |
| sledges | good! | 13:07 |
| anYc | but if I browse the complete snapshot tree it creates many unneeded directories and stuff | 13:07 |
| sledges | yeap, needs taming :D | 13:07 |
| anYc | a little bit inconvenient thought compared to a "latest" symlink :) | 13:09 |
| anYc | though | 13:09 |
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| sledges | well there's nothing what a little bit of python couldn't fix :) | 13:11 |
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| anYc | ;) | 13:12 |
| sledges | im sure curl also has it's brightest moments :) | 13:13 |
| Sage | anYc: maybe something like https://gitorious.org/image-building-tools/daily-image-builder/blobs/master/builder.py#line156 | 13:27 |
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| sledges | welcome bullet9mm :) | 15:51 |
| bullet9mm | hi sledges! | 15:51 |
| sledges | here's the current status: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Status/Matrix | 15:52 |
| sledges | on n900 many things untested | 15:52 |
| sledges | but runs here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga1dZ4vghY4 | 15:52 |
| sledges | (one of the latest images) | 15:52 |
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| bullet9mm | yeah! I have already see this video, it's the reason for my questions. :) ...in 2012 I installed nemo but was a very very very unstable version and at the end I reflash my n900...but this seems more stable! When I have time I'll try to reinstall it. Thanks a lot sledges! | 15:57 |
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| sledges | no probs bullet9mm , it's still not for end-users but geeks can do just fine | 15:58 |
| sledges | and you can always run it on sd card | 15:58 |
| sledges | should not corrupt your freemantle | 15:58 |
| bullet9mm | yeah! thanks a lot!! se you next time! | 15:59 |
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| sledges | Cya! | 16:00 |
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| Male55 | Hin Yunta! | 16:13 |
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| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#316 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/316 | 18:33 |
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| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#314 Rejected promotion request | 18:56 |
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| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#315 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/315 | 19:00 |
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| yunta | Male55: Hin! | 20:03 |
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| BlackRabbit | Hello all. | 20:33 |
| BlackRabbit | I have a question about nemo. | 20:33 |
| BlackRabbit | anyone help me? | 20:33 |
| special | go ahead and ask | 20:34 |
| BlackRabbit | Before I ask, I should say that I have been asking this question for about 18 months, about various mobile OS's, and each time I ask, the respondents generally like to avoid the question because it reveals something that they would rather not have revealed, if you know wha tI mean. | 20:35 |
| BlackRabbit | right now, if I write an application for Ubuntu, that binds to a Ethernet device driver that is inside the machine, and interacts with that driver using open()/close()/read()/write()/ioctl(), etc.... | 20:36 |
| BlackRabbit | there will be no problem. | 20:36 |
| BlackRabbit | I would like to know if I will be able to do the same thing with Nemo. | 20:36 |
| BlackRabbit | in particular, what I want do is... | 20:37 |
| BlackRabbit | (1) write the application | 20:37 |
| BlackRabbit | (2) post it on my web site | 20:37 |
| special | nemo has no security framework beyond standard unix permissions, at present | 20:37 |
| BlackRabbit | (3) let my customer who is a normal-user who does not know how to root his/her phone, nor is s/he interested in learning | 20:37 |
| BlackRabbit | ok, so you do understand. | 20:38 |
| BlackRabbit | the million-$ question is: | 20:38 |
| BlackRabbit | what is the end-result going to look like? | 20:38 |
| special | there is no end result :) | 20:38 |
| BlackRabbit | for example, Linux has no standard restrictions right now | 20:38 |
| BlackRabbit | forgive me, but I am very very skeptical of that statement. after all, every major mobile OEM has made the same claim... | 20:38 |
| w00t | BlackRabbit: there is no major mobile OEM here | 20:39 |
| BlackRabbit | "Those other guys claim to be open, but they are not. We are the ones who are open. Come, hug us." | 20:39 |
| special | nemo isn't an OEM, nemo is just OSS. | 20:39 |
| w00t | nemo is an open source project, end of story | 20:39 |
| BlackRabbit | i only learned about Nemo 5 mins ago...lemme take another look. | 20:39 |
| w00t | we don't produce devices, we have adaptations to existing hardware, and a software stack to run on them | 20:40 |
| BlackRabbit | so sure. | 20:40 |
| BlackRabbit | the same could be said of vanilla Linux. | 20:40 |
| BlackRabbit | that's part of the problem, IMHO. | 20:40 |
| BlackRabbit | right? the very same thing could be said of vanilla Linux - we don't make the devices, we make completely open software that is free to be downloaded, modified, etc. by anyboxy. | 20:40 |
| BlackRabbit | *anybody | 20:40 |
| special | well yes, though nemo is more comparable to one of the free Linux distributions than to the kernel itself | 20:41 |
| special | it brings together hardware adaptation, mobile middleware, and a UI to make a usable system; all three are open | 20:41 |
| BlackRabbit | yes, they are open. Linux is even more open. | 20:42 |
| BlackRabbit | or, let's say that what you produce is completely open. | 20:42 |
| BlackRabbit | it's so open, the God of Open-ness is envious. :) | 20:42 |
| BlackRabbit | now here comes the OEM | 20:43 |
| BlackRabbit | "Wow...look at this completely open OS called Nemo." | 20:43 |
| BlackRabbit | "I think I will make a smartphone from it." | 20:43 |
| BlackRabbit | so the OEM makes a smartphone, sells 10,000,000 units. | 20:43 |
| BlackRabbit | the 10,000,000 customers who bough the unit, discover there is a killer audio-video-network app on the Internet. | 20:44 |
| BlackRabbit | they go to download it, and install it,but it won't install. | 20:44 |
| BlackRabbit | because the app does not conform to the "framework" | 20:44 |
| special | ah | 20:44 |
| BlackRabbit | in particular, it tries to access device drivers. | 20:44 |
| special | well, nemo itself is not a consumer thing | 20:44 |
| special | and what people or companies do based on nemo isn't under our control | 20:44 |
| BlackRabbit | of course. | 20:44 |
| BlackRabbit | that last sentence you wrote, @special, is music to an OEM's ears. | 20:45 |
| special | nemo *itself* will always be open and hackable, that is what it's for | 20:45 |
| BlackRabbit | they ~love~ to hear people say that, especially tech people. | 20:45 |
| BlackRabbit | sure, but you do realize that there are a lot of developers | 20:45 |
| BlackRabbit | (and some users) | 20:45 |
| BlackRabbit | who really don't care so much about open source (that's a given) | 20:46 |
| BlackRabbit | what they want is an open device | 20:46 |
| special | mhm | 20:46 |
| BlackRabbit | the OEM's play tricks with the sentiments of the open-source community. They say.... | 20:46 |
| special | obviously nobody can promise that a derivative of nemo will be open, *but* | 20:46 |
| BlackRabbit | "We are going to create a truly open platform, unlike our competitor." | 20:46 |
| special | it's a lot easier to make one open than it is to make one closed, and by virtue of being based on nemo, it'd be more open than anything else currently | 20:47 |
| BlackRabbit | but it still does not solve the problem. | 20:47 |
| BlackRabbit | in fact, it might hurt. | 20:47 |
| special | someone basing their work on nemo is already more open than the companies developing purely in-house platforms | 20:48 |
| BlackRabbit | 1 sec...have to levae and come back..scrolling screwed up. | 20:48 |
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| BlackRabbit | back | 20:48 |
| BlackRabbit | can you see how it might hurt more than help? | 20:48 |
| special | mm | 20:49 |
| special | I don't see the problem, really | 20:49 |
| BlackRabbit | right now, if I write an app for any smartphone that claims to run an "open" OS...that app will be blocked. period. | 20:50 |
| BlackRabbit | (a certain kind of app that would run on vanilla Linux with no problem) | 20:50 |
| BlackRabbit | there are a lot of developers who are frustrated by this. | 20:50 |
| BlackRabbit | the OEM's are aware of the frustration | 20:50 |
| BlackRabbit | so to gain the mind-share of these frustrated developers, the OEM says, "We will create a new truly open platform, yada...." | 20:50 |
| BlackRabbit | all the developers say, "Finally, someone who understands our needs." | 20:51 |
| BlackRabbit | then the developers volunteer their time to the "truly open OS" | 20:51 |
| special | yeah, I understand | 20:51 |
| BlackRabbit | then when it is finished, the OEM locks the platform. | 20:51 |
| BlackRabbit | the source code is more open than open. But the end-result is locked down. | 20:51 |
| BlackRabbit | it's a trick with words. a kind of mind games that the OEM's have been using. | 20:52 |
| special | so I suppose where nemo comes in here is two things: | 20:52 |
| BlackRabbit | like a politician who kisses babies. | 20:52 |
| special | 1) nemo runs on existing hardware and it is unequivocably purely open, so if you don't like the OEM's software, you can use nemo | 20:52 |
| aard_ | BlackRabbit: that shouldn't happen with ubuntu phone, as they have lot's of gplv3-stuff, and you have the right to replace a gplv3-binary on a phone without loosing functionality. which on the other hand is the main reason why I don't expect ubuntu phone to be picked up by oems | 20:53 |
| special | and 2) a commercial platform based on a full OSS platform is going to be more open by nature than one that isn't | 20:53 |
| special | trying to enforce openness with licensing (like ubuntu, yeah.) is an awful and disasterous idea | 20:53 |
| BlackRabbit | @special, the key word in what you wrote is "you" | 20:53 |
| BlackRabbit | there are several "you"'s in involved in all of this. | 20:53 |
| BlackRabbit | there is (1) us the developers (2) the hardware OEM (3) the end-user (4) the FOSS developer | 20:54 |
| BlackRabbit | right now, the "you" that can replace the binaries is (1) | 20:54 |
| BlackRabbit | (3) will never do something like that | 20:54 |
| BlackRabbit | ever | 20:54 |
| special | mm, I don't know | 20:54 |
| special | a lot of people hack their androids | 20:54 |
| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#317 Rejected promotion request | 20:54 |
| aard_ | BlackRabbit: quite a lot of mostly normal people root their androids | 20:54 |
| special | a lot of people jailbreak their iOS devices | 20:54 |
| BlackRabbit | well, of course. | 20:55 |
| special | it's been made so user-friendly that anybody can do it | 20:55 |
| BlackRabbit | I mean, a lot of people also clean their own fuel-injectors. | 20:55 |
| BlackRabbit | but more people don't. | 20:55 |
| BlackRabbit | we're talking 1,000,000 people here. | 20:55 |
| BlackRabbit | sorry,, 1,000,000,000 | 20:55 |
| special | I'm pretty sure everybody here would love a commercially supported mobile platform that allowed unrestricted (but securely managed) software | 20:55 |
| aard_ | and actually the company some of us work for is trying to do something like that | 20:56 |
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| BlackRabbit | i'm waiting for the "but" @special | 20:57 |
| BlackRabbit | and @aard_ | 20:57 |
| aard_ | in what we're working on there's no but. | 20:58 |
| special | BlackRabbit: but it's hard. | 20:58 |
| BlackRabbit | because..? | 20:58 |
| special | well, we'll find out :p | 20:58 |
| BlackRabbit | lol | 20:58 |
| special | that's more or less what we're trying to create. | 20:59 |
| BlackRabbit | it's very clear to me. | 20:59 |
| BlackRabbit | I have seen this situation happen too many times. | 20:59 |
| aard_ | BlackRabbit: it's harder to do secure storage of user credentials and similar things if you don't insist on doing a fully trusted boot (and nuke that data if an insecure boot attempt is made) | 20:59 |
| BlackRabbit | yes, I know @aard [I did advanced virus detection for Symantec] | 21:00 |
| special | there is a difficult balance between giving the user security and taking control from the user | 21:00 |
| aard_ | it's harder to do stuff like simlock some operators request (though possible if you completely handle it in the modem firmware) | 21:00 |
| BlackRabbit | right@special. | 21:00 |
| special | people expect more user security from a mobile device than they do from desktops, for historical reasons | 21:00 |
| special | (and they're right to) | 21:00 |
| BlackRabbit | I look at it this way: I think we can all agree that there is plenty of so-called open devices that are locked. | 21:00 |
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| BlackRabbit | and as I mentioned, I did advanced virus detection, so it would be easy to convince me of the importance of security controls. | 21:01 |
| BlackRabbit | However... | 21:01 |
| BlackRabbit | there is also a market for the "old model". | 21:01 |
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| BlackRabbit | If you tell a person, "This device is truly open. If you don't know what you are doing, you are 100% guaranteed to be infected." | 21:01 |
| BlackRabbit | even if you say that, there is still a market. | 21:02 |
| BlackRabbit | there are people who will say, "Yeah, yea,...I get it..it's dangerous...how much does it cost?" | 21:02 |
| BlackRabbit | $100US | 21:02 |
| BlackRabbit | "I'll take it." | 21:02 |
| BlackRabbit | that market is being blocked. every time someone tries to liberate that market, a large OEM... | 21:03 |
| BlackRabbit | 1. swoops in... | 21:03 |
| BlackRabbit | 2. convinces the originators of the project to "let big $$$ help" | 21:03 |
| BlackRabbit | 3. put our press release professing "We are more open than open." | 21:03 |
| BlackRabbit | 4. and immediately proceed to lock-down the platform | 21:03 |
| BlackRabbit | and when people say, "Why did you take that perfectly open OS and lock it down?" | 21:04 |
| BlackRabbit | the OEM's say... | 21:04 |
| BlackRabbit | "We did it for the good of the market. Viruses." | 21:04 |
| special | yes. It's a balance. | 21:04 |
| BlackRabbit | no..i a disagree. | 21:04 |
| BlackRabbit | if they were really concerned, they would continue with Android, Tizen, etc. whatever... | 21:04 |
| BlackRabbit | and let the other FOSS project alone. | 21:04 |
| BlackRabbit | but they won't do that. | 21:05 |
| BlackRabbit | I am certain that if I were to create a Linux distro for phones, and convince one of those Chinese manufacturers to supply me with devices... | 21:05 |
| BlackRabbit | and start pushing them out... | 21:05 |
| BlackRabbit | I would get a call from a major OEM | 21:05 |
| BlackRabbit | trying to convince me to stop | 21:05 |
| special | heh | 21:05 |
| BlackRabbit | I'm sure of it. | 21:05 |
| special | are you aware of the jolla/sailfish/nemo situation? | 21:05 |
| BlackRabbit | yes, I read a bit about sailfish. I asked the same questions on Sailfish | 21:06 |
| BlackRabbit | same thing..."Download the SDK! Download the SDK!" | 21:06 |
| BlackRabbit | "You can hack it if you want!!!" | 21:06 |
| special | There's no conspiracy to keep things closed, at least. | 21:06 |
| BlackRabbit | hmm...really? | 21:06 |
| BlackRabbit | my B.S. detectors tend to be a little sharper than most (if I may be immodest0 | 21:07 |
| special | Nemo is purely open, Jolla contributes to it because Sailfish is built in part on it | 21:07 |
| BlackRabbit | when I read the blurb on Sailfish website, my B.S. detectors started going off | 21:07 |
| BlackRabbit | well, sure they are open. | 21:07 |
| BlackRabbit | that doesn't change anything really. | 21:07 |
| special | anything that you might consider "closed" would be part of sailfish, not nemo | 21:07 |
| BlackRabbit | what matters is the end result. | 21:07 |
| BlackRabbit | what I think would really be interesting, is to keep all of these "open" mobile OS's | 21:08 |
| BlackRabbit | they are great. I get that. | 21:08 |
| BlackRabbit | but then, make a mobile OS, and say... | 21:08 |
| BlackRabbit | "This OS will be different." | 21:08 |
| BlackRabbit | "It will be different because we will impose a huge restriction on being able to use the trademark." | 21:09 |
| BlackRabbit | "The restriction is: any OEM that uses our OS must not be allowed to do anything to close it. Period." | 21:09 |
| BlackRabbit | maybe they have a rule that says that anything that can be done normally on desktop can be done on the smartphone. | 21:09 |
| special | it's a complicated world where business and consumers meet platforms and especially OSS | 21:10 |
| BlackRabbit | well sure...the business are winning right now. | 21:10 |
| special | so the point I was making with nemo and sailfish: | 21:10 |
| special | at the very least, nemo is the base of sailfish, and nemo is open | 21:10 |
| BlackRabbit | i'm surprised, frankly, that we have come this far, and the OEM's have been smarter than the tech types who write the (free) software. | 21:11 |
| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#318 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/318 | 21:11 |
| special | there are a lot of us smart tech types who write free software working on sailfish ;) | 21:11 |
| BlackRabbit | software that is essentially sold by OEM's. | 21:11 |
| BlackRabbit | and what do you get for it? not much. | 21:11 |
| BlackRabbit | it's backwards. the less smart people use the smart people to write software | 21:12 |
| BlackRabbit | for free | 21:12 |
| BlackRabbit | so that they can then lock down that software | 21:12 |
| special | the other distinction | 21:12 |
| w00t | Sage: getting ready for release? :p | 21:12 |
| BlackRabbit | sell it to end-users who have vague understanding of what is going on | 21:12 |
| BlackRabbit | repeat | 21:12 |
| special | tizen and android are both backed by huge corporations, they're the closed ones pretending to be open | 21:13 |
| BlackRabbit | there is no guarantee that nemo will not suffer the same fate | 21:13 |
| special | there is a guarantee that nemo won't | 21:13 |
| special | if it's closed in any way, it's not nemo anymore | 21:14 |
| special | there is no guarantee that something built on nemo - like sailfish - won't | 21:14 |
| BlackRabbit | i misunderstand | 21:14 |
| BlackRabbit | sailfish will be open or closed? | 21:14 |
| special | they're hard words to define. I'd just refer you to https://sailfishos.org/ and ask you to wait and see | 21:15 |
| BlackRabbit | lol | 21:15 |
| BlackRabbit | i've never been the type to "wait and see" | 21:15 |
| BlackRabbit | since life is finite, I have to use something more effective, like B.S. detectors | 21:16 |
| special | I suppose what I'm saying is that sailfish has more potential to be what you want | 21:16 |
| BlackRabbit | anyhow, i already read that | 21:16 |
| BlackRabbit | as i said, it set off my B.S. detectors immediately | 21:16 |
| special | because it's built on (not forked from; built on) something open, because it's from a small company and a new player, and because it's a small company of OSS hackers | 21:16 |
| BlackRabbit | and Nemo can be whatever, but end the end, the device is locked. | 21:17 |
| * w00t really doesn't see how this discussion is relevant here | 21:17 | |
| BlackRabbit | i read about sailfish | 21:17 |
| BlackRabbit | they are playing the same game as Tizen is playing | 21:17 |
| Sage | w00t: yes :) | 21:17 |
| Sage | w00t: though it is slow and painfull to get done ;) | 21:18 |
| w00t | Sage: probably a good time given qtcontacts-sqlite wll probably land soon.. | 21:18 |
| w00t | :P | 21:18 |
| BlackRabbit | the discussion is relevant because Nemo has people thinking that it will change the landscape of "open" ness | 21:18 |
| BlackRabbit | have to leave and come back..brbr | 21:18 |
| Sage | w00t: there is bunch of packages that fail on promotion | 21:18 |
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| * special is done with that conversation | 21:18 | |
| w00t | Sage: hrmm | 21:18 |
| w00t | why? | 21:18 |
| Sage | invalid changelog or version or so | 21:19 |
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| w00t | eh.. | 21:19 |
| w00t | aren't they all fixed now? | 21:19 |
| w00t | we introduced checks for it in devel, how'd they break? | 21:20 |
| BlackRabbit | you guys realize that there are a lot of developers who a frustrated because their customers cannot install true native apps on the mobile devices | 21:20 |
| Sage | nemo-qml-plugin-utilities-qt5, nemo-qml-plugin-configuration-qt5, timed, timed-qt5, nemo-qml-plugin-accounts, eventfeed-qt5 | 21:20 |
| BlackRabbit | those same developers think that Nemo will liberate this situation | 21:20 |
| w00t | BlackRabbit: really, this discussion is not relevant here - please take it somewhere else | 21:20 |
| Sage | w00t: need to verify those really after I get the big bunch done | 21:20 |
| BlackRabbit | woot...are you the owner of this IRC channlel? | 21:20 |
| * Sage gives w00t owner hat ;) | 21:21 | |
| BlackRabbit | BlackRabbit knocks owner hat off woots head | 21:21 |
| w00t | Sage: i'll start to take a look through those | 21:22 |
| BlackRabbit | in a nutshell, I am saying that you guys with Nemo could help a lot of people | 21:22 |
| BlackRabbit | who currently think that Nemo is the "savior" of this situation | 21:22 |
| BlackRabbit | I think it is a good thing to do | 21:22 |
| BlackRabbit | it will save a lot of people a lot of time, setting their expectations. | 21:22 |
| w00t | Sage: at least utilities has an ok changelog and version.. | 21:23 |
| Sage | rozhkov: btw, are all the deps for the browser now in so you could push that to nemo? | 21:23 |
| w00t | .. | 21:23 |
| BlackRabbit | I can show you posts on line were developers think that Nemo is a no-non-sense platform that is truly just like Linux being on a smartphone | 21:23 |
| BlackRabbit | if that is not the case, the Nemo needs to make that clear on its web site. | 21:23 |
| * w00t gets a bad feeling | 21:23 | |
| BlackRabbit | they should at least | 21:23 |
| Sage | w00t: no it doesn't | 21:24 |
| Sage | Version: 0.0.2+master.1.g50346d6 | 21:24 |
| Sage | vs 0.0.2 in .chnages | 21:24 |
| w00t | Sage: smells like a tar_git bug | 21:24 |
| Sage | phaeron: would be nice if tar_git would fail on that kind of things instead of adding that +master thing | 21:24 |
| Sage | w00t: :nod: | 21:25 |
| w00t | because the non-qt5 package is built from the same branch/tags, and is correct | 21:25 |
| w00t | missing the changelog entry for 0.0.3 too.. | 21:25 |
| BlackRabbit | anyhow. | 21:25 |
| w00t | https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=_service%3Atar_git%3Anemo-qml-plugin-utilities.changes&package=nemo-qml-plugin-utilities&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw&rev=30d0f0ffc9710dfc11335a24845ff76f | 21:25 |
| w00t | vs: | 21:25 |
| w00t | https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=_service%3Atar_git%3Anemo-qml-plugin-utilities-qt5.changes&package=nemo-qml-plugin-utilities-qt5&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw&rev=1ebea1a1f52cf24ffebad8659c199ebb | 21:25 |
| BlackRabbit | I will spread the word (truth) about Nemo | 21:25 |
| BlackRabbit | I will inform everyone who things that Nemo is Linux-on-mobile that it is not that. | 21:25 |
| BlackRabbit | since that is what some people think right now. | 21:26 |
| BlackRabbit | I wanted to come here just to be clear. it's clear now. | 21:26 |
| BlackRabbit | thanx. | 21:26 |
| phaeron | was it generated after or before we enabled the check | 21:26 |
| w00t | phaeron: tag dated may 1 | 21:26 |
| phaeron | so before .. ? | 21:26 |
| w00t | I don't remember :D | 21:27 |
| w00t | I guess it might be | 21:27 |
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| w00t | but see what I said above: the non-qt5 package is correct, but they're the same webhook source | 21:27 |
| w00t | isn't that a bit funky? | 21:27 |
| phaeron | probably .. some tag didn't fire ? | 21:28 |
| w00t | i'll trigger a build and see | 21:30 |
| w00t | hm | 21:30 |
| w00t | shas are different on the two hooks o.O | 21:30 |
| w00t | I guess that'd do it | 21:31 |
| w00t | phaeron: should I update last revision + trigger? | 21:31 |
| phaeron | you can do that | 21:31 |
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