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niqt | morning | 06:42 |
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Sage_ | o/ | 06:48 |
Sage_ | morning | 06:48 |
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Sage_ | dm8tbr: ping, how did your nexus 4 experiment go btw? Did you manage to get it booting mer already? | 06:56 |
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dm8tbr | Sage_: not yet. Had to send it in for repair after the screen shattered... | 06:59 |
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Sage_ | :/ | 06:59 |
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dm8tbr | my n950 slodiers on after many a drop without problems... | 07:04 |
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Sage_ | :) | 07:14 |
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faenil | morning | 07:49 |
rcg | hey faenil :) | 07:49 |
faenil | rcg, hey :) | 07:49 |
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davide_ | sledges_: Sage_ | 12:59 |
davide_ | here I am again! :( | 12:59 |
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Sage_ | davide_: hello | 13:03 |
davide_ | Hi guys! now, thanks to your help now Xorg starts at boot! But the system now is much more unstable...among various problem that I'm trying to inspect there is a big issue: | 13:06 |
davide_ | lipstick doesn't start at boot with X and if I try to start it manually the screen blink a lot, sometimes lopstick doesn't start, and always lead to an out of memory error... | 13:06 |
davide_ | so: lipstick must start at boot? | 13:06 |
davide_ | and there's already some troubles with out of memory error? | 13:07 |
davide_ | ps: I think that the out of memory is caused by the kernel because with "free" I don't see huge use of memory by user processes... | 13:09 |
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Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#300 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/300 | 13:24 |
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Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#300 Accepted promotion request | 13:32 |
Sage_ | davide_: provide journalctl -b output on the system so we can see what is going on during bootup | 13:33 |
Sage_ | I'm suspecting that mcompositor or sysuid is causing the problems | 13:33 |
Sage_ | ssu re -r latest; ssu fl testing; zypper ref; zypper dup; ssu re -r next; ssu fl devel; zypper ref; zypper up | 13:35 |
Sage_ | Installation of nspr-4.9.2-1.1.8 failed: | 13:35 |
Sage_ | (with --nodeps --force) Error: Subprocess failed. Error: RPM failed: error: /var/cache/zypp/packages/mer-core/i586/nspr-4.9.2-1.1.8.i586.rpm: Header SHA1 digest: BAD | 13:35 |
Sage_ | error: /var/cache/zypp/packages/mer-core/i586/nspr-4.9.2-1.1.8.i586.rpm cannot be installed | 13:35 |
Sage_ | ok, got reproduce now while downgrading to old release or so. | 13:35 |
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sledges_ | I've had many OOM errors when worked with pandaboard. They went away when I provided proper GLES/EGL hw acceleration for lipstick and the family | 13:39 |
sledges_ | but for a stripped-down version of nemo, which is more stable memory-wise, but might crash because it's incomplete (I used it to see apps running and generic rudimentary navigation - so good for app development and a small demo, and ideal to continue working on proper acceleration), here's ks: | 13:40 |
sledges_ | carefully examine it davide_, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Omap4/Pandaboard/mer-minimal-lipstick-pandaboard-armv7hl.ks | 13:41 |
sledges_ | it's a minimal nemo image so to say | 13:41 |
sledges_ | davide_, one way or another, you are facing Hardware Adaptation phase for your board ;) | 13:41 |
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davide_ | Sage_: http://pastebin.com/pAgxmvk0 | 13:52 |
Sage_ | davide_: you don't have 3d there right? | 13:53 |
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Sage_ | davide_: sed -i 's/mcompositor.service //g' /usr/lib/systemd/user/lipstick.service | 13:54 |
Sage_ | call that as root and then try rebooting | 13:54 |
davide_ | Sage_: no...I don't have 3D... now rebooting... | 13:54 |
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Sage_ | davide_: ok, mcompositor requires 3d so that most definitely fails and currently lipstick has hard dependency to that and while mcompositor fails lipstick is stopped | 13:59 |
Sage_ | that cmdline should drop that dependency and in theory lipstick should start | 13:59 |
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davide_ | Sage_: and this is exaclty what's happen and I can see it from "ps"...but the screen remains black... there's a lipstick's log somewhere? | 14:03 |
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Sage_ | davide_: is lipstick process running? | 14:04 |
Sage_ | as based on previous log it got killed | 14:04 |
Sage_ | davide_: if you do "su nemo; export DISPLAY=:0; lipstick" you see it? | 14:04 |
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davide_ | Sage_: I can see that now lipstick (and also mcompositor) are running at startup.. but I've got always a black screen and the board running out of memory... | 14:09 |
davide_ | checkin' /proc/meminfo I can see that cachedmemory grow up...maybe some process is trying to load a file many times and this consume all the memory... | 14:10 |
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panda84kde | Sage_: Do I understand it right if I say that Nemo is made up of lipstick and mcompositor and other components, and that mcompositor requires OpenGL ES acceleration? | 14:17 |
Sage_ | panda84kde: mcompositor is the window manager type of thing that requires opengl es yes. | 14:18 |
norayr | am I right than nemo is usually used on n9? and it does not supported well on n900? I am asking because I always have power saving problems on n900, need to remember to turn it off, and sometimes even it doesn't help. | 14:19 |
sledges | davide_, remove contactsd symlink from /usr/lib/systemd/user/nemo-mobile-session.target.wants/ | 14:19 |
sledges | iirc it is eating up memory, when on a non-accelerated system | 14:19 |
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sledges | when you watch top before the system goes oom, you see xorg eating up mem, but once I have stripped down nemo to basics (I actually built nemo up to lipstick and just a few apps, no daemons/services), it did not go oom | 14:27 |
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sledges | ^ *I actually built from mer-qmlviewer bare ks up to nemo, containing just lipstick etc | 14:28 |
sledges | the .ks is provided above (the huge amount of packages is because of the @mer graphics pattern bug, should not be important at this point - im just giving an explanation) | 14:29 |
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davide_ | sledges: even without contactsd symlink the system goes oom. but don't look like Xorg is using so much memory... your minimal-lipstick .ks file can be used also for armv7l? home-plundstr-boot-study repo semms only for armv7hl and x86... | 14:34 |
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sledges | that xorg launch helper should be available from elsewhere | 14:39 |
sledges | feel free to comment out that plundstr | 14:39 |
sledges | davide_, ^ | 14:39 |
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faenil | hola | 14:40 |
plundstr | xorg-launch-helper comes form mer. Git http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/xorg-launch-helper.git;a=summary | 14:44 |
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sledges | ahoj faenil :) | 14:54 |
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sledges | thanks plundstr, I will remove that old repo of yours off a .ks, sorry for highlighting your nick lol but I can't remember why I used it months ago (couldn't find it around mer repos or smthng) | 14:55 |
plundstr | sledges: np | 14:55 |
sledges | davide_, needless to say, you'll need to remove nemo-devel-hw-ti-omap4-pandaboard from repos, as your nitrogen board is imx6 based | 15:00 |
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faenil | sledges, yo | 15:00 |
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davide_ | sledges: clear thank you! now I'm trying to understand if the lack of 3D in my gpu driver leads to a critical problem with mcompositor! For now thank you so much and thank you too Sage! | 15:06 |
sledges | don't forget davide_ that 3D implies -2D-/3D acceleration (provided by opengl es ) - so as I gather you already have your gpu driver in place. ensure it provides its own /usr/lib/*GL* files, and you are not lost among symlinks or them being overwritten | 15:14 |
sledges | to see which file belongs to which package, do rpm -qf path_to_file | 15:14 |
sledges | or if you don't have your driver adaptation on place yet, we are facing a question - can nemo run on an arm device without hardware accelerated rendering (vesa/fbdev/..?) :) | 15:21 |
Sage | davide_: also youmight want to remove /usr/lib/systemd/user/meegotouch-systemui.service to save some memory to get home up | 15:21 |
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davide_ | sledges: Sage: since I've got only the 2D part of the driver, "can nemo run on an arm device without hardware accelerated rendering?" maybe is the key point... | 15:30 |
sledges | davide_, explain "I've got only the 2D part of the driver" | 15:33 |
sledges | have you run tests to prove that part works? | 15:33 |
sledges | it's called glestest | 15:33 |
sledges | if that is accelerated, mcompositor should be happy enough IMHO | 15:33 |
sledges | best if tried on clean .ks (mer-qmlviewer) | 15:34 |
sledges | with glestest in place | 15:34 |
sledges | is the package called mer-gfx-tools ? | 15:34 |
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sledges | then run glestest, observe FPS, then move /usr/lib/*GL* files somewhere else, re-run glestest, see if there's any difference in FPS | 15:35 |
davide_ | sledges: compiling gpu driver from source, I had problems with 3D part of the sources...I was able to build only the 2D part of the sources...the 3D cannot work because I don't have the 3D driver... | 15:39 |
sledges | np, glestest is a 2D test | 15:39 |
sledges | so if glestest works, you are sure the acceleration stack is in place | 15:40 |
* sledges rarely come across separate 2d/3d drivers these days though.. | 15:40 | |
panda84kde | sledges: weird name for a 2D test. It's like calling a kernel image "initrd". | 15:41 |
sledges | as they all compile/boil down to /usr/lib/*GL* stuff, also bits to kernel modules, daemons if needed (think PVR SGX driver) | 15:42 |
sledges | but not 2d/3d differentiated. don't mix up - vpu is not 2D, is a hardware decoder for videos ;) | 15:42 |
sledges | gles - is 2d/3d. if gl extensions are in place, shaders should be able to do acceld 2D, and other extensions should provide 3d transforms (the test suite is called glmark in that case) | 15:43 |
sledges | so again, if 2d is accelerated, 3d most probably is as well | 15:43 |
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sledges | a gpu driver should provide bindings to hardware chip doing the cool fast graphics, and expose them to the userland via GLESv2 etc libs, which mcompositor then picks up | 15:47 |
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davide_ | sledges: I'll read something about what you said (I have some doubt)...in the meanwhile glestest gives the following error: http://pastebin.com/aMeVrPKf | 16:11 |
davide_ | maybe I forgot to overwrite mer's libEGL with the one provided with the gpu sources... | 16:12 |
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sledges | you need to ensure all *GL* files are very neatly overwritten and symlinked as before | 16:13 |
sledges | the worst case scenario, for example: mer has libEGL.so.x.0 -> libEGL.so.x.0.0 | 16:15 |
sledges | you have only: libEGL.so.x.1 -> libEGL.so.x.1.0 | 16:16 |
sledges | end result after copy - two libEGL versions on the system | 16:16 |
sledges | even worse: | 16:16 |
sledges | if you do rm libEGL.so.x.0.0 beforehand | 16:16 |
sledges | all mer stuff that is linked explicitly to libEGL.so.x.0 or libEGL.so.x.0.0 will now be broken | 16:17 |
sledges | even if you have your own libEGL.so.x.1* stuff in place | 16:17 |
sledges | same applies to GLESv1, v2 etc | 16:17 |
panda84kde | sledges: I think Vivante Core has a deep distinction between 2D and 3D core: http://www.vivantecorp.com/index.php/en/media-article/news/120-vivante-corporation-dynamic-gui-composition-engine-lowers-gpu-power-consumption-up-to-5x | 16:17 |
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panda84kde | Since 85% of device usage is for non-3D applications, the ideal power savings turns off the 3D engine and uses the specialized 2D/Composition engine to do the heavy lifting for display tasks | 16:18 |
sledges | panda84kde, everyone can call names, what 2d, 3d is together or not. but what we are working with - is a bunch of files across a linux rootfs, which need to be in place and need to be linked against correctly | 16:18 |
sledges | none of those files have 2D or 3D in their file names. | 16:19 |
sledges | if vivante chooses to disable 3D for pm, or it's hard to compile the driver, glestest should still work, as it tests only basic accelerated blitting/buffering features | 16:20 |
panda84kde | sledges: interesting | 16:20 |
sledges | provided that acceleration stack shared libraries have been adapted to the hardware | 16:20 |
sledges | that's why glestest does not go beyond 2d opertions, probably having in mind exactly what you just said | 16:20 |
sledges | ;) | 16:20 |
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rsequeir | Hi there ! | 18:07 |
rsequeir | got Nemo working on the Pandaboard (thansk lbt for your help) | 18:07 |
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rsequeir | now would like to run some shell commands through serial | 18:08 |
rsequeir | when attempting to write on shell, got the message: | 18:08 |
rsequeir | "localhost login:" | 18:08 |
rsequeir | does anybody know this login ? | 18:09 |
Sage | nemo/nemo | 18:11 |
Sage | or root/nemo | 18:11 |
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lpotter | Sage: ping still here? | 20:12 |
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niqt | is possible run nemomobile application in sailfish emulator? | 21:41 |
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