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| aroman_ | hi. I'm putting together a car pc project and would like to try Nemo for the UI. While I decide on a more powerful board, I can get a Raspberry Pi locally to start playing with it. I am experienced in development and have no troubles building my own software. My question is: is there anything that would make running on the RPI not feasible? Any limitations that you know of? | 04:24 |
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| aroman_ | also, where can I get started if I want to build my own images, etc. I've set up a mer chroot and built a standard rpi image, just not sure where to go from there if I want to build the full Nemo UI (lipstick, homescreen etc)... | 04:25 |
| aroman_ | other than picking all the source code from github and building manually -_- | 04:25 |
| aroman_ | I'm guessing there is some sort of automated build process to build from repos/source since you build periodic images... | 04:25 |
| aroman_ | thanks :) | 04:26 |
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| azadpaki | hi all | 05:56 |
| azadpaki | hw to install kde on the top of Nemo N900 | 05:57 |
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| Stskeeps | aroman_: you'd probably want to go qt5 based UI for r-pi | 06:00 |
| azadpaki | can you brief little bit more | 06:01 |
| juiceme | I somehow thought that qt4 is still the most used version, why go qt5? | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | juiceme: for raspberry pi qt5 is needed for gles | 06:02 |
| juiceme | ah. that makes sense then | 06:02 |
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| jalyst | Is there plans for a revamped nemo.org website? The only thing up so far seems to be bugs.nemo… | 07:44 |
| dm8tbr | are you volunteering? | 07:50 |
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| davide_ | Hi to all! I have successfully build a simple mer distribution for my nitrogen6x board. Now I would like to add to this build a graphic interface and nemo maybe is a good choice...how can I start? try some prebuild images? or maybe change my .ks file including some repos? thanks! | 08:59 |
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| dm8tbr | davide_: I guess I'd just try installing additional packages if you have the image up with networking | 09:10 |
| davide_ | dm8tbr: yes, I'm up with networking..where can I find out ehat packages to install? | 09:18 |
| dm8tbr | I'd look at the ks files for other nemo images | 09:18 |
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| davide_ | dm8tbr: the directive under "%packages"? | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | some might be package groups, yes | 09:26 |
| davide_ | dm8tbr: ok, thank you! | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | if that works out for you, you should of course integrate that into your kickstart file | 09:27 |
| dm8tbr | but for experimenting it might be easier/faster to add packages manually and mess with things | 09:28 |
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| jalyst | Maybe, if resources are srsly that tight, which would be *somewhat* depressing… | 09:49 |
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| dm8tbr | jalyst: it's a community, it only lives by contributions from individuals that make together more than the sum of their individual values | 09:51 |
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| jalyst | True, but such "communities" work waaay better when there's some rich benefactors (or many more not so rich ones) also in the picture :) | 09:55 |
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| sledges | possessing the potential of "mobile linux done right" -- native platform without mutilations and/or overpatched kernel, freedom, emanating from the copious and friendly desktop communities: the amount of support for purified linux distros on the internet (not *rich* driven, think ArchLinux, Mozilla, LibreOffice etc), -- all of this could now in your pocket! -- it looks like most of people these days say no to all this (it also can be monetised i | 11:35 |
| sledges | if you want, think Jolla), and want to be able to write a fart app collecting pennies for displaying ads.. | 11:37 |
| sledges | and if you want more *rich* factors - more companies like Jolla could emerge, re-using the same technology, it other form factors, and even in other vertical markets (embedded, ruggedised, industrial) | 11:39 |
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| davide_ | hi! with that file "http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1/nemo-armv7hl-sb2-target/nemo-armv7hl-sb2-target.ks" I'm able to boot nemomobile on my nitrogen6x. But what must start at boot? A UI I guess...right? | 14:04 |
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| davide_ | At boot doesn't start even X... | 14:22 |
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| mric_ | lipstick | 14:32 |
| mric_ | ? | 14:32 |
| davide_ | mric_: I guess! but it doesn't start at boot and event X does...I think is not normal.. | 14:36 |
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| zhxt | Sage, ping | 14:42 |
| mric_ | davide_: sorry, I don't know but it does not seem to be normal | 14:44 |
| davide_ | mric_: ok, thanks! | 14:45 |
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| zhxt | or, w00t, ping | 14:47 |
| w00t | zhxt: pong, caveat, I am on phone only so can't do too much | 14:48 |
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| zhxt | w00t: uhmmm. would you please help me to setup webhook when you are on PC? | 14:50 |
| w00t | I can, but sage probably has a lower latency unless the help you need is instructions.. I probably won't get to a keyboard until I get to Helsinki around midnight (/tomorrow) | 14:52 |
| zhxt | w00t:OK, another time is fine. | 14:56 |
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| zhxt | w00t: I'll try in another time . thx :) | 15:09 |
| w00t | ping me tomorrow | 15:09 |
| zhxt | ok. i will, if sage does not pong. :) | 15:11 |
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| sledges | davide_, launch Xorg from cmdline - says anything? | 15:21 |
| sledges | inspect logs | 15:21 |
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| sledges | i gather your hardware adaptation (namely video drivers) might be off track | 15:22 |
| Sage | zhxt: pong | 15:23 |
| zhxt | Sage: hi, would you please help me to setup the webhook things? | 15:23 |
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| zhxt | Sage: I learned from wiki. | 15:24 |
| zhxt | it says that the next step need to contact you to do some settings or something like that. | 15:25 |
| Sage | zhxt: sure | 15:25 |
| Sage | zhxt: what package to which project? | 15:26 |
| davide_ | sledges: X from command line works quite well..I can even launch lipstick after X and so I can launch the applications, but there's no navigation betweeen apps...the X log seems ok.. | 15:26 |
| zhxt | Sage: voicecall, Nemo Qt 5 porting. | 15:26 |
| Sage | zhxt: what project in obs? | 15:26 |
| zhxt | Sage: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=voicecall-qt5&project=home%3Azhxt | 15:27 |
| Sage | zhxt: done | 15:28 |
| Sage | zhxt: you can follow at #mer-boss channel the tags and commit | 15:28 |
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| zhxt | Sage: okay, thx! :) | 15:29 |
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| zhxt | Sage: oh. sorry. | 15:29 |
| zhxt | Sage: I want to use another source repo. | 15:30 |
| sledges | davide_, navigation between apps is swiping from the any screen edge inwards. if doesn't work, you need to zypper install meegotouch-compositor-gestures | 15:30 |
| zhxt | Sage: not the testing one. | 15:30 |
| Sage | zhxt: oh, what then? | 15:31 |
| Sage | that was the one I saw in webhooks unmapped so though it was that one | 15:31 |
| zhxt | Sage: /zhxt/voicecall.git | 15:32 |
| Sage | zhxt: branch? | 15:33 |
| zhxt | master | 15:33 |
| Sage | 18:33.20 < Merbot`> Tag(s) by sage in master branch of https://github.com/zhxt/voicecall.git, which will trigger build in project home:zhxt package voicecall-qt5 (https://build.merproject.org//package/show?package=voicecall-qt5&project=home:zhxt) | 15:33 |
| zhxt | Sage: OK, thanks a lot. :P | 15:34 |
| sledges | davide_, Xorg is launched (indirectly) by user-session@1000.service | 15:35 |
| sledges | check systemctl for errors | 15:35 |
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| davide_ | sledges: I can see some errors due to various services like: plymouth-start.service, display-manager.service, auditd.service... | 15:44 |
| zhxt | Sage: am I doing something wrong? I just pushed, but the build seems not run. | 15:51 |
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| zhxt | do I need to add a revision parameter for tar_service? | 15:52 |
| sledges | davide_, display manager service is the rootcause then | 15:54 |
| Sage | zhxt: does your home have cibot as maintainer? | 15:54 |
| sledges | systemctl status display-manager.service | 15:54 |
| Sage | zhxt: ah, no. | 15:55 |
| * Sage fixes the development wiki page a bit | 15:55 | |
| zhxt | sledges: no. | 15:55 |
| zhxt | I need to add it ? | 15:55 |
| davide_ | sledges: Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: incative (dead) | 15:56 |
| zhxt | Sage: ok, added. | 15:58 |
| Sage | zhxt: yes. Added to the guide as well now https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Development#Preparing_the_target_project_in_OBS | 16:01 |
| zhxt | yeah, great, I've done that from web. | 16:03 |
| Sage | :nod: | 16:03 |
| sledges | davide_, sorry, that file does not exist on your system (neither exists on mine) | 16:03 |
| sledges | but is wanted by graphics.target | 16:03 |
| sledges | probably irrelevant, but I don't know why it shows up on your systemctl | 16:04 |
| sledges | davide_, ran that command as root I presume? | 16:04 |
| sledges | davide_, perform: ls -l /lib/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ | 16:06 |
| davide_ | sledges: init-done.service -> ../init-done.service | 16:08 |
| davide_ | user-session@1000.service -> ../user-session@.service | 16:08 |
| zhxt | Sage: do you know what should I do with this error: "nothing provides pkgconfig(Qt5OpenGL)..." when build. | 16:10 |
| Sage | zhxt: you have bad dependency there | 16:12 |
| Sage | moment | 16:12 |
| sledges | davide_, check `systemd --user` | 16:12 |
| Sage | is it Qt53D ? | 16:13 |
| zhxt | uhmmm... | 16:13 |
| Sage | zhxt: not sure about the names. But are you sure you need that dep in the first place in your .spec file? | 16:13 |
| zhxt | I'm not sure. I'll check. | 16:13 |
| Sage | remove it and try if you need it later | 16:14 |
| zhxt | ok. | 16:15 |
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| davide_ | sledges: pastebin.com/TLRmaPnL | 16:18 |
| sledges | davide_, shit is not the output of systemd --user ;) | 16:19 |
| sledges | *this | 16:19 |
| * sledges still lauhhing from the type | 16:20 | |
| sledges | typo unnngh (been a long day) | 16:20 |
| sledges | s/shit/this/ | 16:20 |
| sledges | xD | 16:20 |
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| davide_ | sledges: that's the output of "/lib/systemd/systemd --user" | 16:21 |
| sledges | ohhhhhhh | 16:21 |
| sledges | it has been a long day indeed | 16:21 |
| sledges | `systemctl --user` | 16:21 |
| sledges | apologies davide_ :) | 16:21 |
| davide_ | sledges: eh eh..no problem!!! | 16:22 |
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| davide_ | sledges: "Failed to issue method call: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not sent a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken" | 16:25 |
| sledges | davide_, `DISPLAY=:0 systemctl --user` | 16:32 |
| davide_ | sledges: the DISPLAY env var was already setted to 0...so the result is the same... | 16:34 |
| sledges | if you are from ssh session, display is unset. and mind, it is ":0" not 0 ;) | 16:34 |
| davide_ | sledges: yeah, I meant :0 not 0 and i'm working via serial console... uhm... | 16:37 |
| sledges | via serial, display is unset too | 16:38 |
| zhxt | Sage: from the package revision log, I noticed that it seems still not triggered, no cibot log there. | 16:38 |
| sledges | but something is fishy, because for me `systemctl --user` works without problems | 16:38 |
| sledges | davide_, try `zypper search xorg-launch-helper` | 16:39 |
| davide_ | sledges: I think so...it does not work even with DISPLAY setted inline... xorg-launch-helper is installed... | 16:40 |
| sledges | davide_, btw that command should be launched as user | 16:41 |
| sledges | not as root | 16:41 |
| davide_ | sledges: yeah, I'm nemo user! | 16:41 |
| sledges | davide_, perform as nemo user `systemctl start xorg.service` | 16:43 |
| sledges | make suer Xorg is killed (or reboot your board) | 16:43 |
| Sage | zhxt: 19:22.55 < Merbot`> 1 commit(s) pushed by zhxt to master branch of https://github.com/zhxt/voicecall.git | 16:44 |
| Sage | zhxt: you have pushed only commits. And tags are the only things that trigger bulid | 16:44 |
| zhxt | Sage: oh. I missed that. :P | 16:45 |
| davide_ | sledges: after a reboot, a "X &" and a "DISPLAY=:0 systemctl --user" the error changed to: Failed to issue method call: Process /bin/false exited with status 1 | 16:45 |
| davide_ | now I'm trying your last commands | 16:45 |
| Sage | zhxt: everything should be documented at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Development :) | 16:45 |
| zhxt | Sage: ok, I'll read that part again and try later. thx :) | 16:46 |
| Sage | zhxt: if something is missing like the cibot need to add those. Also improvements are welcome | 16:46 |
| Sage | let me know if there is something you can't understand. | 16:46 |
| zhxt | Sage: ok, I will. | 16:46 |
| davide_ | sledges: "systemctl start xorg.service" leads to "Failed to issue method call: Access denied" error... | 16:48 |
| sledges | systemctl --user start xorg.service | 16:49 |
| davide_ | sledges: after setting DISPLAY=:0, get the error "Failed to get DBUS connection: /bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed." | 16:51 |
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| davide_ | sledges: since it has been a long day for you (and even for me) can we keep on tomorrow? | 16:56 |
| sledges | davide_, why we ended up in this situation is because you are trying to launch Nemo on a new board | 16:56 |
| Sage | sledges: davide_: problems? | 16:56 |
| Sage | what new board? | 16:57 |
| sledges | Sage, he can't get Xorg started by systemd on nitrogen6x board, running this .ks: http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1/nemo-armv7hl-sb2-target/nemo-armv7hl-sb2-target.ks | 16:57 |
| sledges | we gone to as close to the bottom as `systemctl --user` erroring out for various reasons | 16:57 |
| sledges | Xorg launches manually fine though | 16:57 |
| sledges | Sage, for more details, do /lastlog davide_> | 16:59 |
| sledges | :) | 16:59 |
| davide_ | sledges: you summed up perfectly... | 16:59 |
| sledges | so as I was saying davide_ , your new board seems to like Xorg, so some rudimentary drivers kick in fine | 17:00 |
| sledges | like vesa or fb | 17:00 |
| sledges | but something in systemd doesn'ŧ liek the new board. or (/me eyes Sage) something is wrong with generic nemo patterns | 17:01 |
| sledges | either way, this can be resolved by you taking a simple mer kickstarter | 17:01 |
| sledges | mer provides org | 17:01 |
| sledges | Xorg | 17:01 |
| sledges | and qmlviewer | 17:01 |
| sledges | see if you can get Xorg autostarting there | 17:01 |
| davide_ | sledges: so I should try a small .ks file with that few packages and see if Xorg autostart...right? | 17:05 |
| sledges | yes | 17:07 |
| sledges | last known mer qmlviewer ks is here: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20121224.1/kickstarts/mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks | 17:07 |
| sledges | but this points to an old release. just replace /0.20121224.1/ with /latest/ in that file | 17:07 |
| sledges | I'd advise you to merge a resulting .ks file into pastee.org, and post it on #mer just to double-check you're on the best way | 17:08 |
| sledges | this is how I'd imagine freshest mer-qmlviewer to look like (ssu enabled): https://pastee.org/7ywcm | 17:09 |
| sledges | is ssu relevant to that ^ , Sage ? | 17:10 |
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| davide_ | sledges: I had already tried that .ks file and X autostarted well (even if X was empty so I can only saw a black screen at startup)...may tomorrow I can try the latest version but I think It'll work...then I think i can add to that .ks file the nemo repos and packages...and for that we'll meet again! ;) | 17:16 |
| sledges | bingo! | 17:16 |
| davide_ | sledges: thanks for your infinite patience!! | 17:16 |
| sledges | \o/ :) | 17:16 |
| sledges | di niente ;) ci sentiamo domani :D | 17:17 |
| sledges | io mio piacere ;) | 17:17 |
| * sledges goes home, too, cya! | 17:18 | |
| * panda84kde waves davide_ | 17:19 | |
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