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| Sage | sledges: so your -devel package is empty for the pvr, why? | 06:11 |
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| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#250 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/250 | 06:34 |
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| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#250 Accepted promotion request | 06:55 |
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| Sage | sledges: the current stuff now in testing ^ | 06:58 |
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| sledges | Sage, there was a reason for that :) I'll suss it out again for you | 09:21 |
| sledges | great Sage , all succeeded \o/ | 09:23 |
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| rozhkov | w00t: can we drop /usr/bin/qmltestrunner symlink from qtest-qml for now? | 14:03 |
| w00t | rozhkov: sync with Stskeeps about what he wants to do with it. just removing the symlink is likely going to break all tests packages as-is, so it's only one part of the resolution | 14:04 |
| rozhkov | w00t: ok. it's impeding browser development | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: fugly solution, but, add a Requires: qt4-default and remove symlink | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | until we get the correct solution in | 14:09 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: what do you say the correct solution is? | 14:10 |
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| Stskeeps | well, Requires: qt-default is probably the saner option | 14:12 |
| kaltsi | Stskeeps: what's keeping the correct qtchooser from being released? Or it just comes with the next mer release? | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | comes with next mer release and util-linux blew up so that delayed things a bit | 14:17 |
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| kaltsi | ok | 14:18 |
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| w00t | rozhkov: do you want to SR the above? | 14:20 |
| w00t | or shall I | 14:20 |
| w00t | (I can accept if you do it, and you can test that it works for your case, so perhaps that's best) | 14:20 |
| rozhkov | w00t: sure, will do | 14:20 |
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| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#251 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/251 | 15:24 |
| w00t | rozhkov: works for you? | 15:28 |
| rozhkov | w00t: please wait. romaxa says tests stopped to pass | 15:29 |
| sledges | http://www.shof.msrcsites.co.uk/hadroninthepastcopy.html | 15:59 |
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| rozhkov | w00t: please proceed with the SR. turned out to be a wrong version of qtest-qml. still trying to figure out where it comes from | 16:17 |
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| w00t | rozhkov: ok, so that one works for you? | 16:23 |
| rozhkov | w00t: yes, at least the package builds successfully now | 16:25 |
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| Merbot` | phaeron lbt sage SR#251 Accepted promotion request | 16:55 |
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| faenil | evening people o/ | 19:44 |
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| faenil | w00t, so... :) | 19:54 |
| w00t | os! | 19:55 |
| faenil | :D | 19:55 |
| w00t | what's first? :) | 19:55 |
| faenil | I wiped everything few days ago, i.e. I have nothing installed...just sailfish sdk | 19:55 |
| faenil | shall I just download stuff from the main sources or is there some special place to get latest nemo image, latest mer sdk, etc? | 19:56 |
| sledges | oss faenil :)) | 19:56 |
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| faenil | sledges, o/ | 19:56 |
| w00t | places are more or less the same as normal/documented on the wiki afaik, not much has changed in terms of hosting | 19:56 |
| faenil | ok | 19:57 |
| faenil | last nemo is from February :( | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | hm? | 19:57 |
| faenil | latest nemo image...24/02 iirc | 19:57 |
| faenil | that's what's on the release server | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130218.1.NEMO.2013-03-24.2/ is most recent? | 19:57 |
| faenil | oh yeah sorry 24/3, my bad | 19:58 |
| sledges | ;) | 19:58 |
| faenil | I gave a quick look 1 hour ago and already forgot what I read, lol | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | either way, should be zypperable i think | 19:58 |
| faenil | oh yeah sure | 19:58 |
| w00t | should meaning is, and if it isn't, smack me or someone about it | 19:59 |
| faenil | oh look my clever alterego already started the download for 24/03 nemo before having dinner :) | 19:59 |
| faenil | w00t, :D | 19:59 |
| faenil | this is reliable, right? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 20:00 |
| faenil | I forgot everything about I set up Mer SDK last time XD | 20:00 |
| faenil | (and I'm only 23!) | 20:00 |
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| w00t | faenil: yes, should be | 20:02 |
| * w00t set it up a month or two ago at least | 20:02 | |
| w00t | I wonder if we have documentation about using rootfs + mb somewhere | 20:03 |
| faenil | oh ok so it's newer, I disappeared in january, so... :) | 20:03 |
| w00t | no | 20:03 |
| w00t | the page is old | 20:03 |
| w00t | I mean I followed the instructions a month or so ago :) | 20:03 |
| faenil | oh ok :D | 20:04 |
| faenil | very slow server :P got to wait 25mins :D | 20:04 |
| cybette | faenil: I just had dinner and I forgot what I ate. your condition isn't too bad :P | 20:05 |
| faenil | cybette, but you sleep 3h/night, that's normal :P | 20:06 |
| cybette | hehe yeah i need to work on that. actually i sleep a bit more than that but i am constantly trying to work in my dreams | 20:06 |
| w00t | Sage: hmm.. do we have a generic ARM rootfs to use mb against? Stskeeps was complaining about using n9xx specific images the other day ;) | 20:08 |
| faenil | cybette, lol | 20:08 |
| vgrade | w00t: what do you need, just a basic arm rootfs | 20:12 |
| w00t | vgrade: yeah, although that's a bit complicated in itself as i guess we need at least arm6, armv7, v7hl | 20:14 |
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| faenil | so, meanwhile Ryanair tries to prevent me from attending the summit, I'll install the sdk | 20:53 |
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| faenil | Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug | 21:01 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, ^ | 21:03 |
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| faenil | I think he's sleeping | 21:08 |
| faenil | w00t, dbus error, is that known? | 21:08 |
| w00t | can't say i've heard of it, lbt is probably a better person to poke about the platform SDK | 21:08 |
| faenil | okay | 21:09 |
| faenil | lbt, lbt lbt :D | 21:09 |
| sledges | that's the spirit :D | 21:10 |
| faenil | anyway, the "only umount when you want to remove the sdk" that's a really BAD idea... | 21:10 |
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| lbt | mmm | 21:12 |
| faenil | oh here he is :D | 21:12 |
| lbt | you never umount the sdk | 21:12 |
| lbt | why would you? | 21:12 |
| faenil | lbt, because otherwise I am forced to remember that if I want to remove the sdk, I have to umount it first | 21:13 |
| faenil | and what if I don't think about that? I get everything wiped off | 21:13 |
| faenil | ... | 21:13 |
| lbt | "remove sdk".... does not compute | 21:13 |
| faenil | ? | 21:14 |
| lbt | :D | 21:14 |
| faenil | Because of this you *MUST* 'umount' the SDK before deleting it - if you don't then you *WILL* lose data. | 21:14 |
| faenil | :D | 21:14 |
| lbt | right | 21:14 |
| faenil | that means if I forget to do umount that time | 21:15 |
| faenil | it will make my day very very bad | 21:15 |
| lbt | pretty much | 21:15 |
| faenil | so why risking? | 21:15 |
| faenil | if you umount all times you don't have to worry | 21:15 |
| lbt | yep it's true | 21:16 |
| lbt | but it's also a PITA | 21:16 |
| faenil | yeah I know but you don't have to do that yourself :D | 21:16 |
| faenil | you just have to tell people to do it | 21:16 |
| lbt | how many times have you ever removed the SDK ? | 21:16 |
| faenil | lbt, it's not about that...I know it's unlikely but what if... | 21:17 |
| faenil | a wipe off is a very very very very inconvenient thing :D | 21:17 |
| faenil | the less you risk, the better | 21:17 |
| lbt | there's a better solution coming soon anyhow | 21:17 |
| lbt | and you are half righ | 21:18 |
| lbt | t | 21:18 |
| faenil | oh ok, better then :) | 21:18 |
| faenil | my advice is to write to always umount it | 21:18 |
| faenil | and then write that you could also avoid doing so | 21:18 |
| lbt | does every door *inside* your house have a deadlock? | 21:18 |
| faenil | maybe between brackets | 21:18 |
| lbt | and when you go into the kitchen do you bolt it behind you? | 21:18 |
| lbt | the trade off between safety and convenience is always a judgement | 21:19 |
| faenil | lbt, people know you don't usually close doors INSIDE the house | 21:19 |
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| faenil | whilst people are not used to using SDKs this way | 21:19 |
| faenil | so they won't think about umounting the sdk | 21:19 |
| faenil | :) | 21:19 |
| lbt | well, most people reboot their machines a lot | 21:19 |
| lbt | ie daily | 21:20 |
| faenil | oh yeah, it's a very unlikely event, I'm not discussing that | 21:20 |
| faenil | but I mean, what do you gain by telling people it doesn't need to be umounted? | 21:20 |
| faenil | you only gain some risk | 21:20 |
| faenil | :) | 21:20 |
| lbt | no, actually, it's hard to be confident | 21:20 |
| faenil | what do you mean? | 21:21 |
| lbt | you sugges a umount every time I exit ? | 21:21 |
| faenil | I suggest telling people to umount every time | 21:21 |
| faenil | and then maybe a sidenote telling that you can avoid doing that | 21:21 |
| lbt | every time what ? | 21:21 |
| faenil | everytime you stop using the SDK | 21:21 |
| lbt | define stop | 21:21 |
| lbt | seriously | 21:21 |
| faenil | :) | 21:21 |
| lbt | exit the subshell ? | 21:21 |
| faenil | yep | 21:21 |
| lbt | what if I have 2 ? | 21:22 |
| faenil | when you exit both? | 21:22 |
| faenil | stop = when you're done with Mer SDK | 21:22 |
| lbt | how do I know? I have to implement a counter | 21:22 |
| faenil | wait I'm not following you | 21:22 |
| lbt | I have 2 SDKs open in 2 konsoles | 21:22 |
| faenil | oh I think you misunderstood me | 21:22 |
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| lbt | (right now I have maybe 8 open) | 21:23 |
| faenil | I don't want the SDK to auto-umount it | 21:23 |
| faenil | (maybe that's what you're thinking) | 21:23 |
| faenil | is it? | 21:23 |
| lbt | you want a sentence saying "to be safe then get into the habit of umounting when you stop using the SDK" | 21:23 |
| faenil | yes | 21:23 |
| lbt | right | 21:23 |
| faenil | just like it was before | 21:23 |
| lbt | lets say I forget | 21:24 |
| faenil | when I used it back in january | 21:24 |
| lbt | now someone says "just rm -rf - you'll be fine" | 21:24 |
| lbt | "oh, wait - you *forgot* to umount" ? | 21:24 |
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| faenil | this happens in both cases, doesn't it | 21:24 |
| lbt | so ... actually, in my opinion, I'd rather have scary warnings :) | 21:24 |
| faenil | lbt, you have to keep scary warnings too... | 21:25 |
| lbt | question.... are you scared of deleteing the SDK ? | 21:25 |
| lbt | ie you'd be rather cautious/ | 21:25 |
| faenil | no I'm not because I'd only do that after I've finished working with mer sdk | 21:25 |
| faenil | and when I finish working with I umount it | 21:25 |
| faenil | that's what I learnt from wiki few months ago :) | 21:25 |
| faenil | with it* | 21:25 |
| lbt | right - but the fact that we even have this discussion tells me you have the right ... cautious ... attitude. | 21:26 |
| lbt | so to me that is a success | 21:26 |
| faenil | lbt, because I read the guide when it said to always umount it :D + it had the same scary warning | 21:26 |
| faenil | I don't want you to remove the warning :D | 21:26 |
| lbt | and I don't mind if you umount every time you stop working | 21:26 |
| lbt | personally I never bother | 21:27 |
| faenil | of course | 21:27 |
| lbt | anyhow... like I say ... there is a version using namespace which will fix this | 21:27 |
| faenil | I just think that the common user would be safer if he had the habit to umount it all times he's done with it | 21:27 |
| faenil | lbt, yeah not worth discussing :) | 21:28 |
| faenil | anyway, I summoned you for another reason :P | 21:28 |
| lbt | oh, it's always worth reviewing old decisions | 21:28 |
| lbt | dbus thing? | 21:28 |
| faenil | yep | 21:28 |
| lbt | yeah - I forget what that was about | 21:28 |
| faenil | <faenil> Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug | 21:29 |
| lbt | I think it's because something in the chroot should probably make that dir and doesn't | 21:30 |
| lbt | it should not complain anymore | 21:30 |
| faenil | so it actually is a bug :) | 21:31 |
| lbt | hmm | 21:31 |
| lbt | you may be on an old SDK | 21:31 |
| lbt | ah, no | 21:32 |
| faenil | just downloaded it | 21:32 |
| * lbt blushes - I think the download tarball is rather old | 21:33 | |
| faenil | xD | 21:33 |
| faenil | I'm glad I asked about that and I was told it was updated :D | 21:33 |
| faenil | lbt, got it from here | 21:33 |
| lbt | sdk-version --latest --go | 21:33 |
| faenil | cd $HOME; curl -k -O https://img.merproject.org/images/mer-sdk/mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.tar.bz2; | 21:33 |
| faenil | lbt, thanks :) don't remember to update it :) | 21:35 |
| faenil | lol | 21:35 |
| faenil | I meant don't forget, of course XD | 21:35 |
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| faenil | lbt, there's no mention of the --go option on the wiki (fyi) | 21:42 |
| lbt | can you add that? | 21:42 |
| faenil | sure, but I don't have a description for it | 21:43 |
| faenil | just modify the update command? | 21:43 |
| vgrade | w00t: these ok? ftp://5.9.162.110/nemo/mer/rootfs/ | 21:47 |
| lbt | faenil: sdk-version -h | 21:49 |
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| faenil | lbt, alright ;) | 21:50 |
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| * lbt is just trying to get some updates to our infra monitoring | 21:50 | |
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| faenil | lbt, updated ;) | 21:54 |
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| faenil | mmm just flashed latest nemo and it's stuck on first boot :( | 21:58 |
| faenil | vgrade, any idea? | 21:58 |
| vgrade | faenil: how long you leave it | 21:59 |
| faenil | it's been 5 minutes | 21:59 |
| vgrade | first boot is always looooong | 22:00 |
| faenil | alright...I'll leave it there then :/ | 22:00 |
| sledges | or needs to be massaged by rebootings :) | 22:02 |
| faenil | eheheh | 22:05 |
| faenil | still stuck on 8bit screen :P | 22:05 |
| * sledges could always do with one or two reboots | 22:05 | |
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| sledges | 8bit = MOSLO ? | 22:06 |
| faenil | mm still stuck | 22:13 |
| faenil | sledges, no the ugly Nemo image | 22:13 |
| faenil | :D | 22:13 |
| faenil | how many bits is that? | 22:13 |
| sledges | rebooted? | 22:13 |
| faenil | rebooting now | 22:13 |
| sledges | i call it a palette skew :) | 22:13 |
| faenil | oh ok, that :P | 22:13 |
| sledges | (don't know the real cause ;P ) | 22:14 |
| faenil | though this would need investigation | 22:14 |
| faenil | it can't get stuck on first boot :( | 22:14 |
| faenil | booted | 22:15 |
| faenil | ouch still that awful regression with the homescreen horizontal scrolling | 22:15 |
| sledges | ^ the reason why there has never been an investigation ;D | 22:16 |
| sledges | already two bugs registered ;) one duplicate :) | 22:16 |
| faenil | :D | 22:16 |
| faenil | let's update packages first | 22:18 |
| sledges | you'll see hundreds of downgrades | 22:18 |
| sledges | due to switch to BMO/ssu | 22:18 |
| w00t | (make sure you're using zypper dup to do upgrades) | 22:19 |
| sledges | (which in reality are -upgrades- ;)) | 22:19 |
| faenil | mmm | 22:20 |
| faenil | 16 to upgrade | 22:20 |
| faenil | 266 to downgrade | 22:20 |
| sledges | welcome to the club :) | 22:21 |
| faenil | XD | 22:21 |
| sledges | *back ;) | 22:21 |
| faenil | w00t, ^ | 22:21 |
| sledges | 23:18 < sledges> you'll see hundreds of downgrades | 22:22 |
| faenil | lol thanks | 22:22 |
| faenil | I completely skipped those msgs :P | 22:22 |
| sledges | it's past midnight in Italy ;) | 22:23 |
| faenil | yeah xD | 22:23 |
| sledges | poor w00t just had another micro heart attack :) | 22:23 |
| faenil | ahahah :D | 22:23 |
| sledges | :D | 22:23 |
| faenil | so how does this have to do with the switch to BMO/ssu? | 22:23 |
| * faenil always wants to learn :P | 22:23 | |
| sledges | OBS resets release counter | 22:24 |
| faenil | when | 22:24 |
| sledges | after copying packages from COBS to MOBS :) | 22:24 |
| faenil | what's mobs now xD | 22:24 |
| sledges | they also loose all revision history | 22:24 |
| sledges | BMO | 22:24 |
| sledges | synonym | 22:24 |
| sledges | just sounds funny | 22:24 |
| faenil | xD | 22:25 |
| w00t | build.merproject.org | 22:25 |
| w00t | we don't use meego obs anymore | 22:25 |
| sledges | yup, Mer OBS | 22:25 |
| faenil | oh right, the switch was completed | 22:26 |
| faenil | I'm noticing the system is very slow while it's updating packages :/ didn't notice this before | 22:27 |
| sledges | probably it was just a matter of not noticing :D | 22:27 |
| faenil | :D | 22:27 |
| faenil | single core single thread limit here :D | 22:28 |
| sledges | pandaboard ftw :D | 22:28 |
| faenil | wondering how it would behave on a nexus 4 | 22:28 |
| sledges | just awkward to make calls :) | 22:28 |
| faenil | haahah | 22:29 |
| sledges | n7 is there. n4 adaptation is different.. folks quite silent about it here | 22:29 |
| faenil | oh right, n4 adaptation is missing | 22:30 |
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| faenil | and I don't have an n4, so who cares, lol | 22:30 |
| faenil | w00t, so, the blue fairy tale told me you'll take care of making wayland work on n950, is that true? | 22:30 |
| w00t | heh, i'd not call it likely (not really my area of experience), though i'd like to see it happen | 22:32 |
| faenil | :) | 22:33 |
| faenil | I wanted to volunteer but I have no experience with that stuff and Stskeeps told me it was one of his worst periods | 22:34 |
| faenil | so, well, not really worth wasting my life on it xD | 22:34 |
| faenil | (when he worked on waylan for n950) | 22:34 |
| w00t | worst how? he got it working iirc, and that's what matters :-p | 22:39 |
| sledges | isn't it all about making project zephyr to work? (wayland+qt5 etc) | 22:40 |
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| sledges | question, what hardware project zephyr has ever worked? ;) | 22:40 |
| faenil | w00t, yep but he said it wasn't easy at all | 22:40 |
| sledges | i.e. whether that includes n950 | 22:40 |
| w00t | sledges: wayland? works on pi (and assorted other ARM), works on android via libhybris, works on x86 | 22:41 |
| faenil | w00t, and if he says that :D | 22:41 |
| sledges | latest pvr-omap4 drivers have wayland bindings | 22:41 |
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| w00t | but this is all new ground, so it's not really working anywhere, out of the box yet | 22:41 |
| sledges | w00t, too true, I was referring to zephyr as a more 'boxed-up' version of wayland & co. | 22:42 |
| faenil | sounds cool | 22:43 |
| sledges | in theory, zephyr needs a HA - and off it goes, but that's where faenil's question on n950 comes in | 22:43 |
| sledges | as it's just a bunch of good old repos | 22:44 |
| w00t | sledges: i'd like to see it working on pi fairly soon, and vgrade has been working on the hardware side of that | 22:44 |
| * sledges reminds himself a mental note: never use words 'just', 'only', and 'surely' :D | 22:44 | |
| faenil | xD | 22:44 |
| sledges | esp. when in embedded world.. :) | 22:44 |
| faenil | w00t, %postun(ca-certifcates-2012.81-1.6.noarch) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 22:45 |
| faenil | nemo still updating :D | 22:48 |
| faenil | love when there are many updates :D | 22:48 |
| sledges | well probably only 20% contain actualy source code changes ;) but still loads of good stuff | 22:49 |
| faenil | yeah | 22:49 |
| sledges | another way is to build your nemo rootfs image yourself with mer-kickstarter and builder.py | 22:49 |
| sledges | latest and greatest, and just copy those onto Alt_OS | 22:50 |
| faenil | mm got to look into that :) | 22:50 |
| sledges | that's or future ref ;) | 22:51 |
| sledges | *for | 22:51 |
| faenil | :) | 22:51 |
| faenil | still updating :) | 23:02 |
| sledges | *for very near future ref :D | 23:02 |
| faenil | :D :D | 23:03 |
| faenil | guess what, just finished :D | 23:11 |
| sledges | \o/ | 23:12 |
| faenil | w00t, should be ready if I'm not missing anything | 23:12 |
| sledges | night lads | 23:16 |
| faenil | night mate | 23:16 |
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| faenil | mmm I guess I'll go to bed then | 23:27 |
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