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| Sage | w00t: pong | 03:35 |
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| iekku | Sage, have you realized it's midnight still? :P | 03:41 |
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| Sage | it is? :) | 03:48 |
| Sage | sure about that? | 03:48 |
| Sage | I see light from the window alread so I though it was time to get up :P | 03:48 |
| iekku | :D | 03:55 |
| iekku | Sage, i have heard that so many times... and also have heard something about hongkong time zone being more suitable for me... + w00t is living in west, it's really a night there (or was) | 03:56 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:13 |
| iekku | morning | 07:14 |
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| niqt | iekku excuse me for yesterday when i have disturbed in nemo-meeting | 07:16 |
| iekku | niqt, no need to excuse, we should have more people there | 07:17 |
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| Macer | hello | 12:19 |
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| Macer | Video Playback NOK (2) | 12:22 |
| Macer | no video on the n900 huh? :-/ | 12:23 |
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| * sledges just booted Nemo image on Pandaboard ES successfully | 15:29 | |
| sledges | OOB | 15:29 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: so you got a pandaboard ES ? | 15:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | last week you did not had one (IIRC) | 15:35 |
| sledges | Sage, Pb ES: https://pastee.org/qsd9w | 15:35 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, yes, just popped on my desk :) | 15:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) gift from santa | 15:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | since winter is still here in some countries (snow in fin) | 15:36 |
| sledges | don't know who's that Eenemo ( Venemo? :)) who wrote it hangs: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Community_Workspace/Omap4/Pandaboard&action=history | 15:36 |
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| kulve | nemo could use better apps. Like a browser that's being developed or a desktop/whatever that supports widgets and whatnot. Maybe Jolla should offer bounties or developer devices for people fixing such enchancement bugs.. | 16:13 |
| sledges | with qt5 switchable in mer, snowshoe browser is not far from running | 16:16 |
| sledges | Nemo is like a sandbox. A company grabs it off and moulds it into a product (think Jolla). Any company can do that, I'd love to work for one. They just don't know Nemo/Mer exist and are revolutionary.. | 16:17 |
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| sledges | for the community - it's what remains - a sandbox. Until there will be enough unpaid enthusiasts to enhance apps and UX | 16:17 |
| kulve | I would say that there's way too much to do currently. | 16:18 |
| sledges | yup, it's loads to do until it becomes every-day usable | 16:18 |
| kulve | I got the qt5 experience demo running on my qt4 nemo. Where do I get the showshoe browser? :) | 16:19 |
| sledges | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=snowshoe&project=home%3Acxl000%3Ahawaii | 16:20 |
| sledges | strange, cxl000 has recently disabled its builds ;) | 16:22 |
| sledges | must be the qt5 mer addition | 16:22 |
| kulve | yet another dead project? | 16:23 |
| kulve | https://github.com/snowshoe/snowshoe | 16:23 |
| kulve | "Repository Moved" | 16:24 |
| kulve | well, doesn't look any better in gitorious.. | 16:24 |
| sledges | it's been given a new home, last commit 29 Jan 2013 | 16:25 |
| kulve | new home without any real commits? | 16:26 |
| sledges | my scratch pad on this: https://pastee.org/dyw2k | 16:26 |
| sledges | everything is dead, unless someone is proactive, and picks up the least dead one ;) | 16:26 |
| sledges | I'd write a ml list post to build up a team of 2-3 programmers keen to have a nice browser on Nemo, always better than 1 soldier in a field | 16:27 |
| sledges | my next target - nemo social plugins, learning+writing some QML for greater good :) | 16:28 |
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| sledges | if there aren't enough people to generate traction/interest, means not enough hardware at hand -- who wants to code something they can't have daily hands-on? | 16:34 |
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| sledges | So I suggest to make an awesome video about Nemo on N7 kulve ;) pointing out those few but cool features on Nemo currently, emphasising execution speed and lean and mean technology behind it, and that you can code anything you like on top of it for you and your daily life primarily (frends come second in this case, girlfriends are somewhere between first and second lol) | 16:35 |
| sledges | http://openetherpad.org/urfxx467L6 | 16:35 |
| cxl000 | sledges the qt5webkit was a minimal packaging effort and I've not gotten to debugging it and so snowshoe does not run well. | 16:40 |
| sledges | yup | 16:42 |
| * sledges eyes on Bostik | 16:42 | |
| sledges | wait, he's in #mer only :)) | 16:42 |
| sledges | though someone could overtake your effort, would you assist them cxl000 ? Bostik was also very helpful. | 16:43 |
| cxl000 | I'm looking to get hawaii working so my Qt5 build has a few cutting edge patches needed for qtwayland | 16:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: back to that nemo thing, I would love better coordination on the UI front, to make the product looking "good". Because today, everybody, including companies, love to see good looking things | 16:47 |
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| sledges | cxl000, what's hawaii? something like zephyr? | 16:47 |
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| cxl000 | Yes. A qml qtwayland based desktop. | 16:49 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, now Nemo has been Harmattanised by thp :) | 16:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 16:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have seen that | 16:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm waiting for a specific components set (better design of Harmattan ?) done in Qt5 | 16:50 |
| sledges | cxl000, the whole UX ? something of the scale like seadot? | 16:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | some nice components deserve to be integrated to nemo (like a file picker, a media picker etc.) | 16:51 |
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| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, I read a use-case from your brain: a facebook app wants to upload a photo ;P right? | 16:53 |
| sledges | sounds like eyes on nemo-qml-plugins | 16:54 |
| cxl000 | sledges, Yes a whole UX. | 16:54 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: any upload dialog yeah, including facebook for example | 16:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: not really nemo qml plugins, since they mostly provide non-gui stuff in QML | 16:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but like com.nokia.meego.nemo.extra | 16:55 |
| sledges | cxl000, can't find screenshots of hawaii-desktop :{ looks like mainly one person (plfiorini) is on the case :) | 16:57 |
| sledges | so kulve wants a browser, Sfiet_Konstantin wants a picker, me wants an integrated lightweight qml facebook app, w00t gets constantly nagged about qmlmail app :) Think we need some prioritised feature request / TODO wiki page :) | 16:59 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: I want, but I'm very willing to contribute | 16:59 |
| kulve | sledges: enchancement bugs in the bugzilla | 16:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, I'm a bit afraid of meego components | 16:59 |
| sledges | I'm sure everyone of us answers the same | 16:59 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, why them? mtf must go :D | 17:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | seems complex | 17:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hard to hack ? | 17:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (like the whole theming stuff) | 17:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 17:00 |
| w00t | how's that complicated? it's just a bunch of images | 17:01 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, theming is the most innocent mtf relic, we're trying to avoid everything else and move mtf out asap | 17:01 |
| sledges | stick with qml and nemo-qml-plugins | 17:01 |
| w00t | there's no need to be afraid of it, anyway, it's here to stay | 17:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah, that would be awesome | 17:02 |
| sledges | it will stay, but discouraged to use it on any new projects, and encouraged to port old ones too | 17:03 |
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| w00t | it will probably go away when nemo eventually makes the jump to qt 5 | 17:03 |
| kulve | I tried compiling qmltube for nemo but the .pro file seems to be very harmattan specific.. | 17:03 |
| w00t | unless anyone wants to step up and maintain it and handle the porting | 17:03 |
| w00t | (unlikely) | 17:03 |
| kulve | nemo seems to be able to run qt5 stuff already | 17:04 |
| kulve | even if it is itself qt4 | 17:04 |
| w00t | kulve: of course | 17:04 |
| w00t | nothing stops that | 17:04 |
| w00t | what I mean there is, when the system as a whole has switched over (and probably moved off to wayland and other flying car future things) | 17:04 |
| w00t | Sage: why on earth is nemo-theme-default in devel:mw and not devel:ux? | 17:06 |
| w00t | (not that it matters hugely) | 17:06 |
| sledges | kulve, got lost already. Maybe a simple high-level wiki page would be more consice, leaving clutteredness for bugzilla? ;) https://bugs.nemomobile.org/buglist.cgi?bug_severity=enhancement | 17:07 |
| w00t | sledges: if i'm able to be brutally honest.. what would help more than more lists is people contributing to things | 17:08 |
| kulve | yeah.. | 17:08 |
| w00t | it doesn't take more than 30 seconds to note that there's an awful lot of sore areas, so it'd be nice if someone just picked something that they don't like and tried to hack it (and asked for help if they run into problems) | 17:09 |
| kulve | w00t: but also. If one could actually do something with the device, they might fix other things. Now there are not that many use cases that you can actually do.. | 17:09 |
| w00t | kulve: catch 22: we need to get better to attract people to do things, but there are not enough people making it better | 17:10 |
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| Macer | hm. so this is meego for n900? | 17:12 |
| kulve | that bug list pointed by sledges has a list of old bugs marked as resolved or even verified. Why not closed? | 17:12 |
| w00t | Macer: nemo runs on but is not limited to the n900 | 17:13 |
| w00t | kulve: I don't know if we have a proper process for bug handling (cc iekku) | 17:14 |
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| w00t | kulve: how do you think it should work? | 17:17 |
| Macer | ok | 17:17 |
| Macer | i'm trying to install it on my broken n900 heh | 17:18 |
| Macer | the modem doesn't work on it | 17:18 |
| Macer | everything else does tho.. i just want to see if it can use sports-tracker | 17:18 |
| w00t | Macer: i'm hoping that you mean the modem was already broken ;) | 17:18 |
| Macer | since i have a new n900 on its way and don't wan to have to keep swapping the sim | 17:18 |
| Macer | yeah it was heh | 17:18 |
| Macer | it has been broken for quite some time | 17:18 |
| Macer | i'm reading the wiki on how to install this | 17:19 |
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| w00t | Macer: i'm not much use at getting it booting on an n900 (mine has been long dead now), but if you have questions after having it booted, try me | 17:20 |
| Macer | so far no. i'm installing u-boot now ;) | 17:21 |
| Macer | i don't care if this n900 blows up | 17:21 |
| Macer | i was just going to use it as spare parts for the new one anyways heh | 17:21 |
| Macer | grrr. of course i need to rawwrite a microsd and have no adapter lol | 17:23 |
| Macer | let me make sure u-boot installed | 17:23 |
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| Macer | w00t: how well did meego work? i saw a video of it running a little from the nemo website | 17:23 |
| w00t | Macer: meego, no idea anymore - things have progressed a long time since then. in general i'd not have high hopes on the n900 simply because there aren't many people working on it anymore.. but i'd hopefully expect the basics (wifi, display, charging) to be ok. Sage might have more of an idea of the status as he still has one I think | 17:24 |
| Macer | yeah i was reading up on the stuff that worked | 17:25 |
| Macer | and playing video was red lol | 17:25 |
| Macer | that's rough right there | 17:25 |
| w00t | what was red? | 17:25 |
| Macer | well.. the video part.. and there was something else but i can't remember i'd have to look it up again | 17:26 |
| Macer | blah. let me find an adapter heh | 17:27 |
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| kulve | at least the battery seems not to end immediately even though the display doesn't completely turn off | 17:31 |
| w00t | kulve: n900 display doesn't blank? | 17:31 |
| kulve | nexus 7 | 17:32 |
| kulve | I've been playing it for couple of hours and the battery has gone down 1%. Assuming the numbers are real, but I assume so.. | 17:32 |
| w00t | battery numbers are probably being reported via upower | 17:32 |
| w00t | mce is supposed to blank the display, but i don't know much about how it actually does it | 17:33 |
| kulve | bug 658 | 17:33 |
| Merbot` | Nemo bug 658 in N950-N9 "Display not completely turned off on lock-screen" [Critical,New] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658 | 17:33 |
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| kulve | but currently I don't know how to turn it off by using /sys so I can't really debug mce.. | 17:33 |
| w00t | annoying. if that was known i'd guess it'd be easier to manage | 17:34 |
| Macer | critical! | 17:35 |
| * Macer sounds red alert | 17:35 | |
| Macer | heh | 17:35 |
| Macer | i'm writing the image now | 17:35 |
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| Macer | so i just have to throw this thing into the n900 and it will boot nemo huh? | 17:35 |
| Macer | i probably should have used a better sd but oh well heh | 17:36 |
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| w00t | yes, hopefully | 17:37 |
| w00t | be patient | 17:37 |
| w00t | first boot especially on n900 was always quite slow | 17:37 |
| Macer | i'm still writing the image to the sd ;) | 17:37 |
| Macer | if sports-tracker runs and it is somewhat functional i'm sold | 17:38 |
| Macer | otherwise i'm either going to have to get another prepaid sim or just have to keep swapping | 17:38 |
| Macer | and i've learned that constantly swapping with the n900 results in usb ports falling off and modems dying | 17:38 |
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| Macer | wow... this image write sure does take a while | 17:39 |
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| Macer | done! lets do this! | 17:47 |
| Macer | lol | 17:47 |
| Macer | wow... got the splash screen | 17:48 |
| Macer | and now i guess it's doing its "first boot" thing | 17:48 |
| Macer | wow.. wth? | 17:49 |
| Macer | i got some ecc read error :-/ | 17:49 |
| w00t | you put the back cover on, right? | 17:49 |
| Macer | yes | 17:50 |
| Macer | i got the splash screen and it started to boot | 17:50 |
| Macer | went for a little bit then i got a really messed up ecc read error :-/ | 17:50 |
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| Macer | i get the same errors when it boots during teh splash screen | 17:51 |
| Macer | bunch of ecc read errors | 17:51 |
| Macer | oh... ok.. and now it boots? weird | 17:52 |
| sledges | Macer, a dodgy sd card? | 17:52 |
| Macer | maybe | 17:52 |
| Macer | it's running now | 17:52 |
| sledges | also sometimes takes a couple of boots to "iron itself out"Â really :) | 17:52 |
| Macer | how odd | 17:52 |
| sledges | ecc is error correction code ;) so it corrected itself ;) | 17:52 |
| Macer | ok......... | 17:53 |
| Macer | so like... wtf is up with the hw qwerty? | 17:53 |
| w00t | ? | 17:53 |
| Macer | the vkb keeps popping up even with the hw kb open | 17:53 |
| w00t | I refer back to what I said about not many people working on n900 anymore | 17:54 |
| Macer | lol | 17:54 |
| Macer | that sucks :-/ | 17:54 |
| w00t | i'd check what contextkit plugins are installed | 17:54 |
| w00t | once you find out which plugin it's using, time to debug what it's doing, as it's probably not reporting the keyboard state correctly | 17:54 |
| w00t | (if you need help with any of that, ask) | 17:55 |
| Macer | heh | 17:57 |
| Macer | well... i guess i can file a bug somewhere if anybody might actually fix it but yeah | 17:57 |
| Macer | i need to test it out some more | 17:57 |
| Macer | i just noticed that setting up the wifi | 17:57 |
| sledges | Macer, if you file a bug, I'll tell you a cheap workaround (a kludge) :)) | 17:58 |
| sledges | but only afterwards ;) | 17:58 |
| Macer | lol | 17:58 |
| Macer | well i'm trying to figure out how to set the time too :) | 17:58 |
| sledges | (DISCLAIMER: kludges normally don't, but still might break the integrity of the system ;) use at your own risk) | 17:59 |
| Macer | nice | 17:59 |
| Macer | now the settings app | 17:59 |
| Macer | doesn't scroll lol | 17:59 |
| sledges | does N900 have rotation sensor? try portrait/lanscape, and then scrolling again | 18:00 |
| Macer | did that | 18:00 |
| sledges | :} | 18:00 |
| Macer | still won't scroll :) | 18:00 |
| Macer | no idea how to exit the app | 18:00 |
| Macer | is there some sort of motion i can use? | 18:01 |
| sledges | binwise? | 18:01 |
| sledges | (only joking) | 18:01 |
| Macer | i mean on the screen to at least get a window to close | 18:01 |
| Macer | heh | 18:01 |
| sledges | swipe from any edge | 18:01 |
| Macer | maybe the settings app just went flakey on me | 18:01 |
| Macer | yeah it's just not scrolling :) | 18:03 |
| Macer | damn that's pretty bad | 18:03 |
| Macer | let me reboot | 18:03 |
| sledges | :) | 18:03 |
| Macer | maybe something just went retarded | 18:03 |
| sledges | you could always try updating all | 18:03 |
| sledges | but first reboot sounds good :) | 18:04 |
| Macer | oh | 18:04 |
| Macer | didn't even think about updating heh | 18:04 |
| sledges | which image did you start with? | 18:04 |
| sledges | version | 18:04 |
| Macer | yeah it is an image from february | 18:04 |
| Macer | the latest image they had | 18:04 |
| sledges | ok | 18:04 |
| Macer | http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/0.20130218.1.NEMO.2013-03-24.2/nemo-armv7hl-n900/ | 18:05 |
| Macer | 0218 | 18:05 |
| w00t | I might know the problem with settings (thanks libmeegotouch) | 18:05 |
| sledges | worth updating, but I don't remember settings not scrolling around that month on N9 | 18:05 |
| w00t | i'll take a look once i've finished my other pieces | 18:05 |
| w00t | if it's what i think it is, it's n900 specific | 18:05 |
| Macer | hm | 18:05 |
| Macer | i shut it down | 18:05 |
| Macer | and now holding the power button isn't starting it up :) | 18:06 |
| sledges | on N9 takes some time to *really* shut itself down | 18:06 |
| Macer | no idea wtf just happened | 18:07 |
| Macer | but i just yanked the battery too | 18:07 |
| Macer | and it still won't even try to power up | 18:07 |
| Macer | oh. there it goes | 18:08 |
| Macer | odd | 18:08 |
| sledges | should be able to massage it in, you are dealing with some high profile Mobile OS here ;) | 18:08 |
| Macer | haha | 18:09 |
| Macer | where is the updateing? | 18:09 |
| Macer | in "packages" ? | 18:09 |
| sledges | first, get connected | 18:09 |
| Macer | it is ;) | 18:09 |
| sledges | wifi on? | 18:09 |
| Macer | that was the first thing i did heh | 18:09 |
| sledges | ok | 18:09 |
| sledges | :) | 18:09 |
| sledges | best if you can also ssh ;) | 18:09 |
| Macer | into or out of? | 18:09 |
| sledges | into | 18:10 |
| Macer | is it the same as maemo? just install openssh server? | 18:10 |
| sledges | it has sshd running so nw | 18:10 |
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| Macer | how about from teh finger term? | 18:10 |
| sledges | you should ssh from your PC | 18:11 |
| Macer | ok | 18:11 |
| sledges | tbh, but using screen on fingerterm should be enough | 18:11 |
| * sledges is a bit rusty now ;) | 18:11 | |
| sledges | so, launch fingerterm | 18:12 |
| Macer | what's the root pw? | 18:12 |
| sledges | type screen | 18:12 |
| sledges | enter | 18:12 |
| Macer | nemo isn't it/ | 18:12 |
| sledges | nemo | 18:12 |
| sledges | then type su | 18:12 |
| sledges | and rootpw | 18:12 |
| Macer | naw.. i just sshd | 18:12 |
| Macer | heh | 18:12 |
| sledges | ok | 18:12 |
| sledges | but still you need screen | 18:12 |
| sledges | once you have root shell in a screen session, shout back ;) | 18:12 |
| Macer | done | 18:12 |
| Macer | heh | 18:12 |
| sledges | ok | 18:12 |
| Macer | although | 18:12 |
| Macer | i just ssh in as root | 18:13 |
| Macer | i didn't have to su | 18:13 |
| sledges | ok | 18:13 |
| sledges | np | 18:13 |
| sledges | type: | 18:13 |
| Macer | i should probably change that pw heh | 18:13 |
| sledges | zypper ref | 18:13 |
| sledges | zypper dup | 18:13 |
| sledges | afterwards | 18:13 |
| Macer | k | 18:13 |
| Macer | wow... the lack of hw qwerty support | 18:14 |
| sledges | (one for REFresh, another for Distro UPdate) | 18:14 |
| Macer | is driving me crazy :) | 18:14 |
| Macer | lol | 18:14 |
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| sledges | hence the fingerterm ;D | 18:14 |
| Macer | ok | 18:14 |
| Macer | all repositories have been refreshed | 18:14 |
| sledges | zypper dup | 18:14 |
| Macer | 15 packages to upgrade, 264 to downgrade, 17 to reinstall. | 18:14 |
| Macer | Overall download size: 108.5 MiB. After the operation, additional 4.3 MiB will be used. | 18:14 |
| Macer | 264 to downgrade? :) | 18:15 |
| Macer | lol | 18:15 |
| sledges | w00t, ^ | 18:15 |
| * Macer scratches his head | 18:15 | |
| sledges | :) | 18:15 |
| Macer | 15 to upgrade tho :-D | 18:15 |
| sledges | :D better than nothing, maybe it's due to mer-next ? | 18:15 |
| sledges | if you write zypper lr , where do repos point ? | 18:15 |
| Macer | meh... y <cr> | 18:15 |
| Macer | heh | 18:16 |
| Macer | it's all the same to me... just a broken n900 ;) | 18:16 |
| Macer | i'm just testing it out | 18:16 |
| sledges | we're still delivering highest quality of support available :)) | 18:17 |
| Macer | heh | 18:17 |
| Macer | it looks good tho | 18:17 |
| Macer | i mean if it was ironed out it would be awesome to use meego on my n900 | 18:17 |
| Macer | hw qwerty and all heh | 18:17 |
| Macer | like my own personal ghetto n950 :-P | 18:17 |
| sledges | :)) let's unify dictionaries: MeeGo Freemantle for N900 and Harmattan for N9xx ? | 18:18 |
| Macer | is it using fm for its base? | 18:18 |
| Macer | oh. it's doing like.... rpm stuff i guess? | 18:18 |
| Macer | heh | 18:18 |
| sledges | no, it's more harmattany | 18:18 |
| sledges | rpm and qt | 18:18 |
| sledges | though the name of base is now Mer | 18:19 |
| Macer | oh it is rpm ... rip apt lol | 18:19 |
| Macer | yeah | 18:19 |
| sledges | MeeGo resurrected | 18:19 |
| sledges | or MeeGo reconstructed | 18:19 |
| Macer | lol | 18:19 |
| sledges | is what Mer stands for | 18:19 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 18:19 |
| Macer | hahahaha!! | 18:19 |
| sledges | and it's rip-roaring as you can see from updates frequency ;) | 18:19 |
| wmarone_ | "stands for" | 18:19 |
| Macer | no i think mer was around far before meego ;) | 18:19 |
| sledges | it came into being around meego | 18:19 |
| Macer | i remember when sts was doing it during maemo4 | 18:19 |
| sledges | yea all the naming mishmash | 18:20 |
| sledges | moblin, et al :) | 18:20 |
| Macer | wow this is going to take a long while lol | 18:20 |
| sledges | the official statement from sts back in 2011 was reading MeeGo reconstructed, so | 18:20 |
| sledges | :) | 18:20 |
| sledges | when they decided to split from a burning platform into the sea ;) (Mer) | 18:21 |
| Macer | lol! | 18:21 |
| Macer | poor maemo | 18:21 |
| Macer | :'( | 18:21 |
| sledges | tell me about it... | 18:21 |
| Macer | poor n900 really. nokia made so many mistakes | 18:21 |
| sledges | too many | 18:21 |
| Macer | and the hildon extortion unit didn't really seem to do much other than take donations :) | 18:21 |
| Macer | lol | 18:21 |
| sledges | :) | 18:22 |
| Macer | i recently got an e7 | 18:22 |
| Macer | symbian belle was so close to becoming so awesome | 18:22 |
| Macer | i use it as my day to day phone :) | 18:22 |
| Macer | if it had like a couple more months it could have contended | 18:22 |
| Macer | belle is great | 18:23 |
| Macer | qt based as well.. then again tho... meego did very well for the complete lack of support nokia gave it | 18:23 |
| sledges | I heard so many people saying the same.., about belle, about Meltemi, about PureView,. .. | 18:24 |
| sledges | we are the few crazy remaining ones, who sense the potential of MeeGo and keep it living. Good Jolla stood up on the production level too | 18:24 |
| Macer | yeah seems so | 18:25 |
| Macer | especially with symbian heh | 18:25 |
| Macer | belle is awesome | 18:25 |
| Macer | if it had like 3 things it would be perfect | 18:25 |
| * sledges <- Linux craze | 18:25 | |
| sledges | :) | 18:25 |
| Macer | 1. an email notification in the status bar (wtf?) 2. a better txting/msg app 3. a better email app | 18:26 |
| Macer | oh | 18:26 |
| Macer | and a better stock web browser.. although i think fp2 has a much better one | 18:26 |
| Macer | but e7 didn't get fp2 | 18:26 |
| Macer | hopefully i can half ass get this working with sports-tracker on my n900 so i don't have to keep sim switching to the e7 :) | 18:27 |
| Macer | like i said earlier... switching and swapping an touching the n900. you're just begging for it to break.. the on on its way will be my 3rd | 18:27 |
| * sledges driving off home, enjoy your effort Macer :) | 18:28 | |
| Macer | yah thanks for the help | 18:31 |
| Macer | i'll work on it in a while.. i'm going running now ;) | 18:31 |
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| Macer | with my e7 :-P | 18:31 |
| Macer | uhm | 18:34 |
| Macer | the n900 froze during hte update | 18:34 |
| w00t | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating | 18:35 |
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| Macer | yeah | 18:40 |
| Macer | the network just died | 18:40 |
| Macer | it has resumed now after reinitializing the netowrk | 18:40 |
| Macer | ah i see | 18:45 |
| Macer | so in order to not downgrade i was supposed to have selected a flavor of the type of updating i want using ssu? | 18:45 |
| * w00t doesn't know much about ssu | 18:48 | |
| w00t | one was probably selected by default | 18:48 |
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| w00t | Sage: I want to delete libqttracker from devel:mw | 19:31 |
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| ljp | ~lart connman for not returning errors on the 2nd bad wlan pass entry | 19:53 |
| ljp | the more I know about connman, the more I feel it's only half finished. | 19:57 |
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| Macer | oh. it finished the "upgrade" heh | 21:16 |
| sledges | Macer, yup sorry I was a bit rusty in Nemo commissioning terms :) | 21:16 |
| Macer | huh? | 21:16 |
| sledges | lol, we both came back alive at the same time :) | 21:16 |
| sledges | upgrading etc | 21:17 |
| Macer | i just reboot | 21:17 |
| Macer | after the update | 21:17 |
| Macer | the method was the same | 21:17 |
| Macer | as in the wiki other than the ssu stuff | 21:17 |
| Macer | why are there so many apps with no icons? :) | 21:17 |
| Macer | i'm trying it out now after the "update" heh | 21:18 |
| Macer | lets see if the settings page scrolls :) | 21:18 |
| sledges | more than https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Omap4/Pandaboard#Screenshots ? ;) | 21:19 |
| Macer | lol | 21:19 |
| Macer | yeah that's what mine looks like ;) | 21:19 |
| sledges | then you're on a good path :)) | 21:19 |
| Macer | i'm running the pkg manager update | 21:19 |
| Macer | to see what happens :) | 21:19 |
| sledges | :) so how's with the settings scrolling? | 21:20 |
| Macer | not sure yet | 21:21 |
| Macer | still not scrolling :-/ | 21:22 |
| sledges | beh :) | 21:23 |
| special | is it not scrolling at all, or just on some particular hardware? | 21:24 |
| Macer | no bluetooth adapter found? | 21:24 |
| Macer | not scrolling on my n900 | 21:24 |
| Macer | the settings app | 21:24 |
| Macer | there is a scrollbar that pops up showing it can scroll down a bit | 21:24 |
| Macer | but touching/dragging won't let it scroll :-/ | 21:25 |
| special | huh. scrolling is okay on n950 for me | 21:25 |
| Macer | the settings app on n900 won't | 21:25 |
| Macer | everything else seems fine | 21:25 |
| Macer | but i haven't gone into too many apps yet | 21:26 |
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| special | settings is meegotouch, almost nothing else is anymore | 21:27 |
| special | but it does scroll okay for me. | 21:27 |
| Macer | just saying it doesn't for me on the n900 ;) | 21:28 |
| special | yeah. not sure why that would be | 21:28 |
| special | someday we'll get a new QML-based settings application.. | 21:29 |
| Macer | To change between release and rnd repositories currently you need to first install nemo-ssu-repos-*-rnd or nemo-ssu-repos-*-release depending which one you are using now. | 21:29 |
| sledges | w00t mentioned something about blaming particulars in the libmeegotouch he'll be looking into shortly | 21:30 |
| w00t | the n900 doesn't deliver QTouchEvents | 21:30 |
| w00t | and thanks for the reminder sledges | 21:30 |
| * w00t checks | 21:30 | |
| sledges | ah ok, np | 21:30 |
| special | ah, heh. | 21:30 |
| Macer | hm | 21:30 |
| Macer | how do i install the nemu-ssu-repos? | 21:30 |
| Macer | i don't have ssu version 0.31 it seems | 21:31 |
| Macer | whatever that is :) | 21:31 |
| w00t | it looks like the patch is missing... | 21:31 |
| Macer | or does that information not apply to the n900? | 21:31 |
| w00t | Macer: zypper info/search ssu shows nothing? | 21:32 |
| aard | Macer: it depends what you're using. if you are using devel level ssu now handles the repo management | 21:32 |
| Macer | nemo-ssu-repos | 21:33 |
| Macer | ah ok there ghey go | 21:33 |
| Macer | aard: yeah i need to install teh repos first it seems | 21:33 |
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| Macer | then use ssu to change the flavor | 21:33 |
| Macer | i don't have the ssu bin | 21:33 |
| Macer | and how to i stop the vkb from popping up when the qwerty is slid open? :) | 21:34 |
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| Macer | the whole move off of apt is kind of messing meup :) | 21:38 |
| aard | what? we had rpm in meego for over 3 years now :p | 21:38 |
| w00t | what move off apt? we've been using rpm since 2011 here ;) | 21:39 |
| Macer | yeah i know heh | 21:39 |
| Macer | but i haven't used meego at all | 21:39 |
| Macer | so there is a bit of a learning curve | 21:39 |
| Macer | like just now i changed the flavor to devel | 21:39 |
| Macer | so i can make mine break sooner lol | 21:40 |
| * aard started working (as in, getting paid for it) on meego 3 years ago | 21:40 | |
| Macer | no idea what's going on with the settings scrolling tho heh | 21:40 |
| w00t | Macer: i'm working on submitting a fix already | 21:40 |
| Macer | oh | 21:40 |
| Macer | so there was an actual problem? : | 21:40 |
| Macer | :) | 21:40 |
| w00t | yes, a patch went missing | 21:40 |
| Macer | well can you throw a setting in to maek the vkb close when usin ghte qwerty? heh | 21:40 |
| w00t | I already told you how to look into that | 21:41 |
| Macer | oh | 21:41 |
| Macer | nice! heh... how is the gps functionality? | 21:41 |
| w00t | it should close, if it doesn't, that's a bug | 21:41 |
| w00t | I don't have an N900, so I can't do anything with it | 21:41 |
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| Macer | oh | 21:41 |
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| Macer | well when i get my new one i can send you this one but the modem doesn't work in it | 21:41 |
| w00t | don't | 21:42 |
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| Macer | ok heh | 21:42 |
| w00t | I have my hands full enough with n9/n950 :p | 21:42 |
| w00t | (no offense) | 21:42 |
| Macer | lol | 21:42 |
| Macer | FORGET YOU THEN! | 21:42 |
| Macer | :) | 21:42 |
| Macer | n950? | 21:42 |
| Macer | aren't there like... 100 of those? :) | 21:42 |
| w00t | the hardware adaptation between the two is the same | 21:42 |
| Macer | i thoughtt the n9 was pretty much the n900 | 21:43 |
| Macer | sans qwerty | 21:43 |
| w00t | urh | 21:43 |
| wmarone_ | only with quadruple the RAM and a slightly updated processor | 21:43 |
| w00t | how do you mean? | 21:43 |
| Macer | Installing: ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-1.2.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx .......................................................................................[done] | 21:43 |
| Macer | Additional rpm output: | 21:43 |
| Macer | Job failed. See system journal and 'systemctl status' for details. | 21:43 |
| Macer | warning: %post(ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-1.2.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 21:43 |
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| Macer | hope that doesn't ruin it heh... | 21:44 |
| Macer | i mean hardware wise.. i thought the n9 was incredibly similar to the n900 | 21:44 |
| sledges | true for n9->n950 | 21:44 |
| sledges | even those two differ | 21:44 |
| w00t | there are more differences there, like different bme, and so on, and so forth | 21:45 |
| * w00t pushes libmeegotouch to OBS and prepares to watch workers bleed | 21:46 | |
| Macer | lol | 21:46 |
| Macer | too bad the modem is broke on this n900... i was more concerned with testing out sports-tracker with the n900 | 21:47 |
| Macer | if that's even possible.. and why is this thing taking forever to reboot? heh | 21:47 |
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| vgrade | Macer: \o | 21:50 |
| Macer | hey vgrade | 21:51 |
| Macer | wow now this thing is just stuck there at a blank screen since changing the flavor to devel and updating and rebooting | 21:51 |
| * Macer facepalm | 21:53 | |
| Macer | that's what i get for setting it to "devel" heh | 21:55 |
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| Macer | meh. maybe setting it back to testing and restarting will work | 21:56 |
| Macer | Job failed. See system journal and 'systemctl status' for details. | 21:58 |
| Macer | warning: %post(ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268-1.2.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 21:58 |
| w00t | anything interesting in journalctl? | 21:58 |
| Macer | ah sorry. i reboot | 22:00 |
| Macer | but that is when updating with zypper | 22:00 |
| Macer | and all i get now is a blank screen :( | 22:01 |
| Macer | blah. going to have to reinstall nemo it seems | 22:01 |
| Macer | Apr 10 01:01:12 localhost lipstick[439]: QmBattery is not functional because of a missing compile-time dependency. Please compile QmSystem with bmeipc. | 22:03 |
| Macer | Apr 10 01:01:07 localhost systemd[216]: meegotouch-systemui.service: main process exited, code=killed, status=11 | 22:04 |
| Macer | that looks to be about the spot where everything fell off the rails | 22:04 |
| Macer | i ca't figure out what is broken :-/ | 22:04 |
| Macer | let me re-install | 22:04 |
| w00t | the QmBattery warning is ok | 22:08 |
| Macer | well i'm starting from scratch already ;) | 22:10 |
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| Macer | after editing the /etc/ssu/ssu.ini and changing it to devel | 22:11 |
| Macer | i updated and reboot and nothing | 22:12 |
| Macer | wth | 22:14 |
| * Macer pokes the SD with a stick | 22:14 | |
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| * Macer pokes it a couple more times | 22:19 | |
| Macer | alrighty! | 22:28 |
| Macer | heh | 22:28 |
| Macer | yeah the n900 qwerty is severly broken heh | 22:33 |
| Macer | especially things like the alt keys | 22:33 |
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| Macer | w00t: the accounts app as well | 22:46 |
| Macer | scrolling does not work | 22:46 |
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| Macer | the beginning of he app seems to wor but going into the settings of the accounts doesn't | 22:47 |
| Macer | and the app is awful lol adding accts etc doesn't make much intuitive sense | 22:47 |
| special | that application was a ten minute hack | 22:48 |
| w00t | 5 minute hack* | 22:48 |
| w00t | most of which was looking up which mc-tool invocations to make | 22:48 |
| w00t | it was never really designed as anything except a stopgap for a proper account configuration tool | 22:48 |
| Macer | oh | 22:49 |
| Macer | yeah because i don't understand how you're supposed to set up a gmail acct in order to use telepathy/im | 22:49 |
| Macer | heh | 22:49 |
| w00t | add it as a jabber account, username foo@gmail.com, password, and save it | 22:50 |
| Macer | where? under accounts? | 22:51 |
| Macer | i only get 2 options... xmpp and sip | 22:51 |
| special | XMPP | 22:51 |
| w00t | xmpp is jabber | 22:51 |
| Macer | yeah i tried that | 22:52 |
| Macer | made the account and then picked | 22:52 |
| Macer | enable online | 22:52 |
| Macer | the acct disappeard by itself heh | 22:52 |
| Macer | Repository 'adaptation-common-release' is up to date. | 22:52 |
| Macer | Unexpected exception. | 22:53 |
| Macer | Not ready to read within timeout. | 22:53 |
| w00t | run zypper <whatever> | 22:53 |
| w00t | ..again | 22:53 |
| Macer | am i supposed to remove common-release? | 22:53 |
| Macer | nemo-ssu-repos-*-release | 22:54 |
| Macer | zypper install nemo-ssu-repos-*-rnd | 22:54 |
| Macer | i just ran the above | 22:54 |
| Macer | i figured it would automatically remove the release repo | 22:54 |
| Macer | maybe not? | 22:54 |
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| w00t | aard: ^ | 22:54 |
| Macer | The following packages are going to be REMOVED: nemo-ssu-repos-adaptation-common-release nemo-ssu-repos-adaptation-release | 22:55 |
| Macer | hm | 22:55 |
| Macer | it seems that after adding rnd .. then release is still there | 22:55 |
| Macer | this is either/or isn't it? not both? | 22:56 |
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| Macer | 47 packages to upgrade, 264 to downgrade, 16 to reinstall. | 23:04 |
| Macer | i don't understand why so many things would be downgraded | 23:04 |
| special | there was a migration recently that caused the apparent downgrades. | 23:05 |
| Macer | ah ok | 23:06 |
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