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| juiceme | late morning :) | 08:05 |
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| slaine | and once more with feeling, morning folks | 08:36 |
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| deztructor | Sage: sr #8382 contextkit upower: choosing battery looking like battery :) | 08:54 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8380 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8380 | 08:59 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8382 Rejected promotion request | 09:11 |
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| Sage | deztructor: thanks :) | 09:14 |
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| dcthang | Sage: now you are working for Sailfish?:) | 09:21 |
| iekku | dcthang, ? | 09:28 |
| dcthang | Jolla I mean | 09:29 |
| dcthang | Sailfish OS | 09:29 |
| iekku | dcthang, sage has been jolla employer long time | 09:29 |
| dcthang | ok iekku. still working with Mer is nice | 09:31 |
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| vishap | hey so I have upgraded my nemo on n900, and I wonder | 09:39 |
| vishap | which maps are using the maps application? | 09:39 |
| vishap | and is there a way to be in tablet mode? | 09:40 |
| iekku | dcthang, all in jolla works for mer and nemo :) and most of us have personal relationship with mer and/or nemo | 09:40 |
| vishap | i. e. with wifi but with gsm chip turned off/sleep | 09:40 |
| dcthang | iekku: okay, thanks FYI :) | 09:41 |
| lpotter | ya, I get to sleep with mer on wednesdays | 09:42 |
| iekku | lpotter, and monday is for me :P | 09:44 |
| lpotter | :) wonderful | 09:44 |
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| vishap | so anyone knows which maps are used in maps application in nemo? | 09:51 |
| vishap | it's not OSM | 09:51 |
| vishap | I guess | 09:51 |
| vishap | and it's not google | 09:51 |
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| vishap | and it's not nokia | 09:52 |
| vishap | also, is there a way to be in "tablet mode" in nemo? | 09:52 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8383 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8383 | 10:03 |
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| sledges | vishap, maps application is using Nokia maps, it written in lower-left corner | 10:14 |
| sledges | vishap, you can reshape Nemo's UI in any way that might suit your needs. Tablet layout is not out there, probably we'd have to rename the whole Nemo (to Tabo e.g. :)) | 10:15 |
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| rcg | is it possible that the touch input is specifically calibrated for the n950? | 10:48 |
| rcg | i just notice that the n950 has a much better touch interaction than the n9 | 10:49 |
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| deztructor | Sage: sr was autorejected because of "Multiple destination projects in request". wtf? :) | 10:51 |
| sledges | rcg, could you expand?) | 10:53 |
| sledges | :) | 10:54 |
| rcg | e.g., when i scoll in the app icon view on the n9 it very often happens that accidentally apps are started instead of moving the list | 10:55 |
| kulve | rcg: I think there's a configuration variable for tuning the click vs. drag | 10:55 |
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| rcg | also when using swipe gestures from the outer screen, the n9 feels much less accurate | 10:55 |
| rcg | i need several tries, e.g., to minimize an app on the n9 whereas on the n950 it works straight away | 10:56 |
| rcg | kulve, i see, might need to play with that one :) | 10:56 |
| kulve | rcg: to bad I don't rememeber any details. Stskeeps mentioned something like that ages ago | 10:57 |
| kulve | +o | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | there's a drag distance thing | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | environment variable | 10:57 |
| rcg | so i can find it in /etc/profile.d/* | 10:58 |
| rcg | ? | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 10:58 |
| rcg | roger that | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | or in the systemd user session /etc/sysconfig/ stuff | 10:58 |
| rcg | ah, i see | 10:59 |
| rcg | generally, it "feels" like i only need to touch the n950 very very softly to properly work with it while the n9 needs much more precision and (i know it sounds stupid) force | 11:00 |
| Sage | deztructor: you can do creq with only to one destination project | 11:00 |
| rcg | don't know how to describe it better it's just that the n950 touch ui feels much better | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | the value is probably wrong | 11:03 |
| rcg | and i don't see any apparent reason why it should behave differently | 11:03 |
| rcg | well, i will give it a try | 11:04 |
| rcg | could it be that the touch input devices have different resolutions or something? | 11:04 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8382 Rejected promotion request | 11:06 |
| deztructor | Sage: now i am starting to recall. it is interesting, why :) it is nonsense | 11:07 |
| kulve | rcg: those devices have completely different display, I wouldn't be surprised if the touch would be completely different as well (haven't checked that though) | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:08 |
| rcg | indeed | 11:08 |
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| rcg | do you happen to recall the rough name? | 11:16 |
| rcg | of the env var | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | QT_DISTANCE_DRAG .. it's one of the mer qt patches | 11:17 |
| sledges | yea, displays do differ (check the corner roundedness. even though they look 1:1 despite the front cam positoin at first glance): http://symbianworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Nokia-N950-and-N9-front-comparison-on-screen.jpg | 11:19 |
| kulve | sledges: it's also different technology completely | 11:20 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps, thx | 11:21 |
| kulve | sledges: and the camera is in the cover glass, not in the display itself. It's difficult to see the actual display of the n950 in that photo | 11:22 |
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| kulve | well, not in the glass, but below it.. | 11:23 |
| rcg | alright, the touch input in both devices looks infact identical? | 11:23 |
| rcg | at least according to xorg log | 11:24 |
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| rcg | http://pastebin.com/nVfs1H5n | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | possibly but sensitivty may differ | 11:27 |
| rcg | http://pastebin.com/4aQcriiH | 11:27 |
| rcg | i see | 11:27 |
| rcg | just put that here for sake of completeness | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | also | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | i dont hink the n950 or n9 touch is correct | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | both of them | 11:28 |
| rcg | ok | 11:28 |
| rcg | i just took the logs from my n9 and n950 | 11:29 |
| rcg | they have a pretty recent nemo version | 11:29 |
| rcg | iirc from last week | 11:29 |
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| rcg | what is wrong with the touch input? | 11:31 |
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| rcg | ah it is QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE | 11:33 |
| rcg | and it's set to 16 apparently | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | play with it a bit | 11:34 |
| sledges | kulve, I was referring to the alikeness of the touchscreen digitiser part :) | 11:34 |
| sledges | but good to know they've fiddled with swapping HW around between the two models | 11:35 |
| sledges | if they have completely different LCDs, how come we get around with unified N950-N9 HA ? lots of #ifdefs? ;) | 11:36 |
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| kulve | the size is different, n9 is amoled, n950 is not, etc. I guess the only difference from the sw point of view is the kernel driver | 11:39 |
| Sage | deztructor: well, ask islam there might be something related to check process where it makes it a bit complex or so | 11:40 |
| sledges | ok cool | 11:41 |
| sledges | are there any other capacitive touchscreens like that of Nokia's N9(50) ? I mean, rounded corners, and beveled/embossed rounded surface edges | 11:41 |
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| sledges | I find it a HW design masterpiece | 11:42 |
| deztructor | sledges: lumias :P | 11:44 |
| sledges | :D where WP never does full-edge swipes :DDD | 11:44 |
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| sledges | i was laughing mao when had a chance to play with a lumia, totally useless for its design, and the three buttons at the bottom.... no comments :) | 11:44 |
| rcg | ah, it's set in /var/lib/environment/nemo/60-nemo-mobile-hw.conf | 11:44 |
| deztructor | wp will always be a prison because of m$, this is more important | 11:44 |
| sledges | my question was: other than Nokia touchscreens ;) must cost loads to design, manufacture; imagine first low-level calibration procedures even ;) | 11:45 |
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| norayr | sledges: no, I define tablet mode as a mode when gsm don't work. | 11:45 |
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| vishap | sledges: when wifi works, but gsm chip is off or down | 11:46 |
| vishap | off or sleep | 11:46 |
| vishap | asleep | 11:46 |
| sledges | take out your SIM, vishap, and you'll have a tablet :) | 11:46 |
| vishap | yes, that's a solution too... | 11:46 |
| vishap | though gsm chip will take power in that case | 11:46 |
| vishap | also, afaik sim is only needed for authentication | 11:47 |
| sledges | would it then? | 11:47 |
| sledges | nope, as soon as I take it out, I loose signal | 11:47 |
| vishap | I believe it would spend power. | 11:47 |
| sledges | since it's a phone, probably always on, as assumed | 11:47 |
| vishap | I have read that in Germany | 11:47 |
| sledges | I'm sure you can switch gsm chip off via /sys/ | 11:47 |
| vishap | it was possible to do emergency calls | 11:47 |
| vishap | without sim card | 11:47 |
| sledges | point taken ;) | 11:47 |
| vishap | yeah, need to find out how to do that. | 11:48 |
| sledges | is there flight mode in nemo ? | 11:48 |
| vishap | yes (: | 11:48 |
| sledges | could look there if there was one | 11:48 |
| vishap | yes, there is flight mode, no tablet mode. | 11:48 |
| vishap | shell I request it as a feature? I am sure it's not hard to implement, and it would give nemo a feature no other OS has out of the box. | 11:49 |
| sledges | it's just a reduction of what flight mode does in a source code | 11:49 |
| sledges | should be easy to code that one | 11:49 |
| rcg | btw.. when you mention wp.. did you hear that samsung announced to cancel all windows tablets? | 11:50 |
| sledges | question is how much battery life you'd win, and whether is worth the penny | 11:50 |
| sledges | I heard samsung ditched win8 (at least in sales in US), and also asus iirc | 11:50 |
| vishap | cxl000: do you know if lipstick requires graphics acceleration? if not, then it would be nice to have a nemo build with lipstick (not razr ui) on n810. | 11:51 |
| vishap | for... | 11:52 |
| rcg | sledges, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57572763-94/samsungs-windows-rt-tablet-wont-go-to-germany-either/ | 11:52 |
| rcg | well, apparently "all" is a little bit too much but still interesting what samsung thinks about it | 11:52 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, i set QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE=4 in /var/lib/environment/nemo/60-nemo-mobile-hw.conf | 11:54 |
| rcg | that seems to improve things a lot :) | 11:54 |
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| * sledges tries the same DRAG bit now ;) | 11:57 | |
| rcg | sledges, on n9? | 11:58 |
| sledges | yup | 11:58 |
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| sledges | can't feel big difference, going back to 16, or 64 even ;) | 12:05 |
| rcg | hehe, tell me what 64 feels like :) | 12:07 |
| rcg | at least i have the impression that it really helps reducing the "accidental click" problem in the icon view | 12:07 |
| rcg | sledges, but it didn't make things worse for you? | 12:08 |
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| sledges | ah, i was testing swiping and minimising instead :) | 12:10 |
| rcg | :) | 12:11 |
| rcg | i think that improved as well | 12:11 |
| rcg | i used the terminal to test | 12:11 |
| rcg | the normal one not the fingerterm | 12:11 |
| Aard | rcg: fingerterm now is the 'normal' one ;) | 12:12 |
| sledges | lol yes, I got not maliit working (on mer-next), so fingerterm is now my main :) | 12:17 |
| sledges | rcg, no accidental clicks with =4 apparently | 12:18 |
| sledges | on the side note - are you running latest version (from thp, with 8 icon columns in launcher in landscape) ? | 12:18 |
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| sledges | in that case, try scrolling up and down, you'll see tearing | 12:18 |
| sledges | gives you fake impression there are two sets of 4 columns, and the second one is lagging to scroll :) | 12:19 |
| sledges | I think 3D accel gpu is overloaded from so many icons to scroll around, since we switched to 4-portrait & 8-landscape column mode | 12:19 |
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| rcg | Aard, ;) | 12:21 |
| sledges | *2D | 12:23 |
| rcg | sledges, it has 4 in portrait and 8 in landscape | 12:23 |
| rcg | not sure if i see tearing but i think i see some stuttering | 12:23 |
| sledges | yes, so please scroll launcher up and down in landscape | 12:23 |
| rcg | i did | 12:23 |
| rcg | i'm not so good at identifying tearing :) | 12:24 |
| sledges | maybe i worded it wrong, but if you scroll rapidly, the last 4 columns are lagging to scroll inline with first 4 | 12:24 |
| sledges | bestly noticed, when you are at the top of launcher, and scroll more down, so you overshoot, and it bounces back | 12:27 |
| sledges | (I means, flick your finger downwards) | 12:27 |
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| rcg | nope | 12:45 |
| rcg | can't see it | 12:45 |
| rcg | but i got an accidental click again | 12:45 |
| rcg | still, much less than before | 12:45 |
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| sledges | rcg, can't sense conclusive difference between 1 and 64 on QT_USE_DRAG_DISTANCE :( | 13:12 |
| sledges | probably eases the accidental clicks, but no difference for swipes | 13:12 |
| rcg | hmm i see | 13:12 |
| rcg | maybe it was a placebo | 13:12 |
| sledges | PS: launcher is preventing horizontal slides from the _very_ edge of the screen | 13:13 |
| sledges | might be addressing bug https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=349 | 13:13 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 349 in Home "Panning between launcher and switcher is hard." [Normal,New] | 13:13 |
| sledges | but harmattan solves this somehow other way | 13:13 |
| sledges | and allows edge-ful swipes on launcher | 13:13 |
| rcg | but at least it feels like i get less accidental click | 13:13 |
| rcg | s | 13:13 |
| rcg | hmm ic | 13:13 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8384 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8384 | 13:27 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#38 Rejected promotion request | 13:58 |
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| faenil | o/ | 14:03 |
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| sledges | \o | 14:04 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil hello !! | 14:12 |
| faenil | hey Sfiet_Konstantin | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: how are you ? | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | exams finished ? | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe not ... | 14:13 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, tired and still busy with that uni project | 14:14 |
| faenil | it's not only that exam...there are lessons in the meanwhile... | 14:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah, yeah | 14:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | one day, maybe, the SDK will be installed on your comp | 14:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | one day | 14:15 |
| faenil | it's already installed | 14:15 |
| faenil | just haven't started it yet, to avoid corruption :P | 14:15 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I will give you reasons to start it | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: http://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/dev-ambiance-changer-my-first-sailfish-os-app/ | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sooo beautiful | 14:16 |
| faenil | already given a look at gitorious yesterday ;) | 14:16 |
| faenil | very quick look | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nothing interesting in gitorious actually | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the code is crude and not really nice | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | look at the screenshots, instead | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 14:17 |
| faenil | I read code, not blogposts :P | 14:17 |
| faenil | :D | 14:17 |
| faenil | alright ;) | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just scroll | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pass all the crap I wrote :P | 14:18 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8385 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8385 | 14:26 |
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| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, cool :D | 14:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | isn't it ? | 14:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what is fun with Jolla is that I felt that all their features were gadget, before seeing them in action | 14:31 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#39 Rejected promotion request | 15:17 |
| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#40 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/40 | 15:29 |
| Sage | nice :) | 15:31 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8386 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8386 | 16:02 |
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| sledges | I believe Helium Reborn is a Qt-built WebKit. Is it hw accelerated? Are there plans to go native (would be a pain for HA though I guess) | 16:31 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8379 Accepted promotion request | 17:01 |
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| sledges | w00t, where should shutdown logos & disclaimers go in nemo-theme-default: bsd or lgpl? | 17:18 |
| sledges | bsd can be closed, lgpl is compatible with closed frameworks built on top | 17:18 |
| sledges | in a nutshell, if I got it right :) | 17:18 |
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| anYc | I have the same understanding but I wonder if they have a meaning for graphics | 17:21 |
| anYc | one of the CC might be appropriate | 17:21 |
| sledges | nemo-theme-default, which contains only graphics, has been split into 2 folders 18 days ago | 17:21 |
| anYc | hm okay... | 17:22 |
| sledges | and some files are here, some are there, I did not have a clue what was the selection criterion applied :) | 17:22 |
| Sage | bsd and lgpl are both fine afaik | 17:23 |
| * Sage downloads stuff and does reviews. | 17:24 | |
| sledges | so I'll just flip a coin then Sage ? :) | 17:25 |
| Sage | sledges: I think LGPL was the original thing in the theme. bsd was for those parts that were imported from something else. Let me check | 17:26 |
| Sage | I would say LGPL | 17:27 |
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| sledges | ok | 17:27 |
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| * sledges `git push -f origin master` Man, that felt great :) | 17:36 | |
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| Sage | sledges: :D | 17:44 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8371 Accepted promotion request | 17:56 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8387 Accepted promotion request | 17:57 |
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| sledges | done, https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-theme-default/pull/2 , thank you Sage | 18:02 |
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| * sledges pokes lbt again_away for a nemomobile.org email address to reclaim twitter's @nemomobile account :) | 18:05 | |
| sledges | lbt_away, that is lol | 18:06 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8384 Accepted promotion request | 18:06 |
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| w00t | sledges: pick the license of your choice | 18:18 |
| w00t | the reasoning for the split was to make it clear the origin of those parts | 18:19 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8383 Rejected promotion request | 18:35 |
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| rcg | ping w00t | 19:15 |
| w00t | pong :) | 19:16 |
| rcg | hey :) | 19:16 |
| rcg | how to use qmlmail? | 19:16 |
| rcg | sorry for the stupid question xD | 19:16 |
| w00t | with some difficulty | 19:16 |
| rcg | alright, then the question may not be that stupid :) | 19:16 |
| w00t | zypper search qmf - you want the examples, or accounts example, or something like that | 19:17 |
| w00t | install that, run it, enter your account (_carefully_, as it's a silly widgets ui) | 19:17 |
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| * w00t would like us to get mail configuration in new settings UI | 19:17 | |
| rcg | alright, i see | 19:19 |
| rcg | btw, is it a known issue that the menu doesn't work? | 19:19 |
| w00t | hrm | 19:20 |
| w00t | which menu? | 19:20 |
| w00t | \ why | 19:20 |
| rcg | in qmlmail | 19:20 |
| rcg | just a sec | 19:20 |
| w00t | ah, the accounts list page? | 19:21 |
| rcg | reference error in AccountPage.qml on line 115: unknown variable colorMenu | 19:21 |
| w00t | there is no menu there (yet) | 19:21 |
| w00t | I added a button to keep it balanced | 19:21 |
| w00t | in hindsight that was confusing :) | 19:21 |
| w00t | feel free to submit a PR removing it | 19:21 |
| rcg | aye, but i don't think i'll find the time :/ | 19:25 |
| rcg | but noone knows :) | 19:25 |
| w00t | oh c'mon, that one's tiny :( | 19:25 |
| rcg | ah, damn.. will do tonight after my fiancee went to sleep | 19:26 |
| rcg | ;) | 19:26 |
| w00t | \o/ | 19:26 |
| rcg | btw what's the name of the qmf example script? i installed qmf-examples and don't find anything useful | 19:27 |
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| w00t | rpm -ql qmf-examples | 19:29 |
| w00t | it'll have a semi-useful name | 19:29 |
| w00t | i don't recall it off the top of my head | 19:29 |
| rcg | hmm.. messagingaccounts | 19:29 |
| rcg | sounds semi useful to me :) | 19:30 |
| w00t | yep | 19:30 |
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