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| Sage | o/ | 08:49 |
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| Stskeeps | morn sage o/ | 08:50 |
| Sage | after waking up week around 06:00 couldn't really sleep after 11:00 :P | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:51 |
| Sage | hmmp... seems that I have couple of mails to read and respond. Probably not starting today much :P | 08:57 |
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| kulve | I finally filed a bug about this vkb issue on n7: Bug 639 | 10:28 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 639 in Maliit "[Nexus7] virtual keyboard doesn't work." [Critical,New] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639 | 10:28 |
| kulve | don't hesitate to ask more info :) | 10:29 |
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| faenil | w00t, I've just seen the qmlsettings repo | 11:09 |
| faenil | w00t, <3 you | 11:09 |
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| juiceme | Late morning :) | 12:12 |
| juiceme | faenil, did you have chance to look at the N950's /proc/mtd ? | 12:13 |
| faenil | juiceme, totally forgot, thanks for reminding :) let me put the n950 under charge ;) | 12:13 |
| juiceme | :) | 12:14 |
| faenil | juiceme, I don't have openmode, just as info | 12:14 |
| juiceme | ok, but at least you can check the mtd layout for me. That way I will know if ubiboot works on N950 | 12:15 |
| faenil | sure ;) | 12:15 |
| juiceme | RzR was intrested if someone had tried ubiboot on N950, I told you thought of giving it a go :) | 12:16 |
| RzR | juiceme, I can help | 12:17 |
| juiceme | RzR, good | 12:17 |
| RzR | so you need some logs ? | 12:17 |
| juiceme | basically, ubiboot should work on N950 exactly as it does on N9. Only one thing is that I am not sure, are the mtd layouts similar on both devices. | 12:18 |
| faenil | juiceme, of course I want to give it a go :) though I have only used the N950 for Nemomobile hacking lately, I have never used openmode :) | 12:18 |
| * faenil is waiting for the n950 to come to life | 12:18 | |
| RzR | i am telling you | 12:19 |
| juiceme | but, you have to be in open mode to have Neom on it, right ?? | 12:19 |
| juiceme | s/Neom/Nemo/ | 12:19 |
| faenil | juiceme, nope | 12:19 |
| faenil | just flash moslo and write image on the Alt_OS partition | 12:20 |
| RzR | juiceme, http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=boot | 12:20 |
| juiceme | faenil, how is that possible? N950 must be different from N9 somehow, N9 automatically goes to open mode if you boot something else than Nokia signed kernel on it... | 12:21 |
| faenil | juiceme, ahm... :S | 12:21 |
| juiceme | RzR, thanks | 12:21 |
| faenil | just booted harm, too late :D | 12:21 |
| faenil | juiceme, I don't think it gets in openmode...at least I read openmode had some side effects | 12:22 |
| faenil | how can I check if I'm in openmode? | 12:22 |
| faenil | anyway, my guess is n950 doesn't need openmode | 12:22 |
| juiceme | RzR, faenil, the MTD layout is identicel :) | 12:22 |
| faenil | cool :) | 12:23 |
| juiceme | This means, ubiboot works identically :) | 12:23 |
| faenil | cool :) | 12:23 |
| faenil | how can I check openmode? | 12:23 |
| juiceme | Well, openmode does have "side-effects", but they are mostly benefical | 12:23 |
| RzR | juiceme, i use pr1.3 default kernel now | 12:24 |
| faenil | but I remember there were some nasty problems with it | 12:24 |
| RzR | ask me for more logs if needed | 12:24 |
| faenil | though I only read the changelog of the first version of inception | 12:24 |
| faenil | so I'm not well informed | 12:24 |
| RzR | DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_RM680-OEM1-916_ARM.bin | 12:24 |
| RzR | that fw | 12:24 |
| faenil | is there a way to check if I'm in openmode or it's just the n950 being different? | 12:25 |
| juiceme | faenil, that's long past. In the beginning people did not really understand open mode and all it's effects | 12:25 |
| faenil | juiceme, got to read a lot of stuff then I guess :P | 12:25 |
| juiceme | RzR, that's okay | 12:25 |
| juiceme | faenil, quickest check is, try to enable the security lock code on your device. | 12:26 |
| juiceme | that is the only non-benefit effect that I know of | 12:26 |
| faenil | juiceme, yeah that one, is one of the things I remember | 12:26 |
| faenil | juiceme, alright, let me check | 12:26 |
| faenil | juiceme, what's the expected outcome? | 12:26 |
| juiceme | well, it will tell you something like it cannot be done. I will have to check, just a minute... | 12:27 |
| faenil | alright | 12:27 |
| faenil | what about this ? | 12:28 |
| faenil | Known limitations: | 12:28 |
| faenil | 1. OpenMode. Secure storage problems in Harmattan (can't save passwords for email client, Twitter, Facebook etc). | 12:28 |
| juiceme | Yes, when you try to enable the security code, it will give you the input fields correctly, but when you try to savi it, it says "wrong code" (or something like that, my phone says "Väärä Suojakoodi" which is the same in finnish) | 12:30 |
| juiceme | faenil, that does not apply any longer | 12:30 |
| juiceme | The reason it fails to save the passwords, is that the aegis keys are different than openmode keys | 12:31 |
| faenil | juiceme, yeah then I've always had openmode, lol | 12:31 |
| faenil | getting "wrong code" | 12:31 |
| juiceme | the fix is to delete some aegis files, so that system recreates them | 12:32 |
| faenil | juiceme, I see :) | 12:32 |
| juiceme | after that, passwords get stored with correct keys :) | 12:32 |
| faenil | :) | 12:32 |
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| juiceme | faenil, you had openmode without knowing :D | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | moo stroughtonsmith | 12:32 |
| faenil | yep | 12:32 |
| stroughtonsmith | hey Stskeeps | 12:32 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, why didn't you tell me I had openmode for all this time? lol | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | stroughtonsmith: happened to have tried out sailfish alpha SDK yet? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: i know nothing | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:33 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, :D | 12:33 |
| faenil | juiceme, alright thanks for bringing me to reality :D | 12:33 |
| stroughtonsmith | Stskeeps: nope not yet, am just back from MWC, and VMWare right now doesn't have working gpu accel for my iMac | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | ah, we don't actually use gpu accel at all | 12:33 |
| juiceme | faenil, there are different flavours of openmode. You are now in the "crippled" open mode | 12:34 |
| stroughtonsmith | oh I was assuming I'd need it for the emulator to be usable | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | though you'd end up with a nested VM thing | 12:34 |
| faenil | juiceme, yeah I just flashed moslo | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | nop, we actually think about what we're doing, we use mesa llvmpipe | 12:34 |
| juiceme | You want to be in "aegis-neutered" open mode :) | 12:34 |
| faenil | juiceme, cool, I'm ready XD | 12:34 |
| faenil | though I should be working on a uni project now...I'll be back in the afternoon when I take a break :) | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | and best of all, we don't require silly stuff like atom processors or VT | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:35 |
| stroughtonsmith | Stskeeps: I might give it a shot over the weekend. I expect porting my apps will take 10 mins, considering they were up and running on Ubuntu Mobile in about the same time | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:35 |
| stroughtonsmith | and it's QML2.0 | 12:35 |
| faenil | juiceme, in any case, I guess there are instructions and everything | 12:36 |
| stroughtonsmith | Stskeeps: any community device ports yet? :P | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | we're (sadly) still qt4, but we perform better than ubuntu touch on qt5 seems to :P | 12:36 |
| faenil | lol | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | stroughtonsmith: only x86 as that's the parts we've released - the device stuff comes later | 12:37 |
| stroughtonsmith | gotcha | 12:37 |
| faenil | stroughtonsmith, they don't want to let us play with it...really evil people! | 12:37 |
| stroughtonsmith | lool | 12:37 |
| faenil | :) | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | nothing about community hostility but we want to grow a coder community and not one that has to deal with thousand questions a day on how to get it running on hw.. | 12:37 |
| stroughtonsmith | yep you should see the ubuntu channels | 12:38 |
| faenil | :) | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | i'm in there, it's painful | 12:38 |
| stroughtonsmith | XDA kiddie field day :P | 12:38 |
| juiceme | faenil, the instructions are on the README @ my site (www.swagman.org/juice/ubiboot/) | 12:38 |
| juiceme | Nothing fancy needed to set it up | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | most painful moment when there was a guy from LG electronics joining and asking how to port to existing hardware (recognised on IP) and got told to get cyanogenmod for it | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | which is really not what you want to tell a OEM | 12:39 |
| juiceme | but there are few things that are needed to know; For Harmattan/Nemo boot you must have a copy of the boot kernel on your filesystem. | 12:39 |
| faenil | juiceme, I have to get real openmode on first though | 12:40 |
| juiceme | For Nemo, that automatically already is in the correct location | 12:40 |
| stroughtonsmith | Stskeeps: yikes. :-/ | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | so yeah.. still time to run on for us mer-based folk | 12:41 |
| juiceme | faenil, for real openmode you need to get an aegis-neutered kernel. | 12:42 |
| faenil | juiceme, yeah, got to read the thread on tmo maybe | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | even if ubuntu won the hearts with what's essentially a tech demo | 12:42 |
| juiceme | There are patches against the Harmattan kernel, it is easy to recompile yourself | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | that wouldn't have been exciting without my technology, libhybris | 12:42 |
| faenil | juiceme, alright | 12:43 |
| juiceme | Also, if you don''t want to compile it, there are readymade kernels available | 12:43 |
| faenil | juiceme, it will depend on the how much time I have to do it :D | 12:43 |
| faenil | though I guess I'll wait and compile it ;) | 12:43 |
| faenil | don't like baked stuff :D | 12:44 |
| juiceme | faenil, same with me :) | 12:45 |
| faenil | :) bbl, got to focus now :) | 12:45 |
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| rcg | sweet, the new ui looks much better imho | 14:04 |
| rcg | :) | 14:04 |
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| rcg | xmpp works as well :) | 14:08 |
| rcg | do we have an email client for nemo yet? | 14:12 |
| kulve | rcg: what new ui? | 14:13 |
| rcg | nemo | 14:13 |
| rcg | well, it was changed at least a little bit :) | 14:13 |
| rcg | looks much better imho | 14:14 |
| juiceme | hmm how new? (seems I need to to zypper dup.. :) | 14:14 |
| rcg | well, the button row at the top is gone | 14:14 |
| juiceme | ah | 14:14 |
| rcg | now there are three screens: calendar, icons, running apps | 14:15 |
| juiceme | how does it look then? | 14:15 |
| kulve | rcg: since when? | 14:15 |
| juiceme | coot | 14:15 |
| juiceme | s/cool/coot/ | 14:15 |
| rcg | kulve, dunno, just updated my n950 today | 14:15 |
| rcg | going to update my n9 right now :) | 14:15 |
| kulve | rcg: I did create a new build couple of days ago and I didn't see a difference.. | 14:15 |
| rcg | kulve, i think it is pretty new | 14:16 |
| rcg | iirc i updated the n9 about a week ago and it still shows the old ui | 14:16 |
| kulve | 49 packages to upgrade, 1 new, 1 to remove. | 14:17 |
| kulve | says zypper up, let's see | 14:17 |
| rcg | and i think i don't execute apps accidently anymore | 14:18 |
| rcg | before i was executing apps all the time when i tried to scroll in the icons screen | 14:18 |
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| kulve | rcg: btw, I finally filed a bug report about that vkb issue on nemo | 14:20 |
| rcg | kulve, yeah, i saw it. cool :) | 14:20 |
| rcg | sometimes filing a proper bug report can be as much work as fixing the actual issue ;) | 14:21 |
| kulve | yeah, but somehow I think that doesn't get much attention as the devs might not be that interested on n7 | 14:21 |
| juiceme | hmm seems my rpm database is locked... | 14:22 |
| juiceme | how can I see which process is locking it? | 14:23 |
| juiceme | zypper complains: error: rpmdb: Thread/process 551/1002536448 failed: locker has write locks | 14:23 |
| juiceme | claims I need to do recovery: db4 error(-30974) from dbenv->failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery | 14:24 |
| kulve | rcg: yeah, the UI did update although it looks like I'm missing some gfx | 14:24 |
| kulve | background images or something like that | 14:24 |
| rcg | kulve, i see | 14:25 |
| rcg | juiceme, do you possibly have another zypper instance running? | 14:25 |
| juiceme | nope, ps shows nothing | 14:25 |
| juiceme | cannot do "rpmdb --rebuilddb" either, that fails also for locks... | 14:27 |
| rcg | kulve, i think the background is black on purpose? | 14:28 |
| rcg | at least i like the look ;) | 14:28 |
| rcg | juiceme, if you are brave you can try the very bruteforce way | 14:29 |
| juiceme | do tell me :p | 14:29 |
| rcg | rm /var/lib/rpm/.rpm.lock | 14:29 |
| rcg | then it may complain about the db being inconsistent | 14:29 |
| rcg | that could then be resolved by | 14:29 |
| juiceme | yes that lock existat | 14:29 |
| juiceme | I will try it :) | 14:30 |
| rcg | rm /var/lib/rpm/__* | 14:30 |
| rcg | then do: zypper ref | 14:30 |
| rcg | that should take care of bringing everything back to life | 14:30 |
| juiceme | should I do "rpmdb --rebuilddb" | 14:31 |
| juiceme | ? | 14:31 |
| rcg | well, the last time that didn't work here | 14:31 |
| juiceme | ok | 14:31 |
| rcg | but i think it doesn't hurt ;) | 14:31 |
| rcg | i just did the very very brute-force way rm'ing /var/lib/rpm/__* | 14:32 |
| juiceme | ok, "zypper ref" started working | 14:32 |
| juiceme | ah, now it says all OK again :) | 14:32 |
| rcg | :) | 14:32 |
| rcg | bbl | 14:32 |
| rcg | sun is shining and am going for a walk with my fiancee :) | 14:33 |
| juiceme | and "zypper up" works again... Thanks, rcg | 14:33 |
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| rcg | juiceme, yw :) | 14:33 |
| juiceme | rcg, have a nice outing :) | 14:33 |
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| kokoye2007 | hello | 17:28 |
| kokoye2007 | who is here | 17:28 |
| kokoye2007 | sledges: hello bro | 17:32 |
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| w00t | quiet here tonight | 21:23 |
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| juiceme | slw up here... | 22:06 |
| juiceme | s/slw/slow/ | 22:06 |
| w00t | juiceme: i guess it -is- late night on a saturday :P | 22:09 |
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| lbt | hush - working | 22:59 |
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| faenil | w00t, o/ | 23:44 |
| w00t | where'd you go? :) | 23:44 |
| faenil | out with friends? :D you know, the stuff you usually do on sat night :D | 23:44 |
| faenil | I know jolla's life is particularly busy atm though :P | 23:44 |
| * w00t will be seeing friends soon enough | 23:45 | |
| faenil | oh cool :) | 23:45 |
| w00t | faenil: http://qtl.me/20130303-001901.png | 23:46 |
| faenil | w00t, :D cool | 23:46 |
| faenil | is everything dummy? or working? | 23:46 |
| w00t | a bit of a mix | 23:46 |
| faenil | alright | 23:46 |
| w00t | wifi works, accounts (what little there is) works, if you have service/provider files installed | 23:47 |
| faenil | I see | 23:47 |
| faenil | I have a dream: one day the meegotouch settings app will be replaced by its qml version, based on qml-friendly middleware | 23:48 |
| faenil | :D | 23:48 |
| faenil | cya people | 23:51 |
| faenil | w00t, have fun with friends! | 23:51 |
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