the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8177 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8177 | 00:00 |
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faenil | thp, keep going :) | 00:23 |
faenil | it* | 00:24 |
thp | last PRs for today: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/pull/11 and https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmusicplayer/pull/1 | 00:31 |
thp | goodnight :) | 00:32 |
faenil | :) | 00:32 |
faenil | gn to you thp | 00:32 |
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w00t | thp: nice work | 00:33 |
M4rtinK | nice ! :) | 00:34 |
M4rtinK | anyway, good night :) | 00:34 |
faenil | good night from myself too :) | 00:35 |
faenil | w00t, get some rest! :P | 00:35 |
* w00t will still be up a few more hours probably | 00:35 | |
faenil | I know you'll be here already when I wake up :D | 00:36 |
faenil | well...good luck with what you have to stay up late for :) | 00:36 |
* lpotter will be up for a few hours more too | 00:36 | |
faenil | this is like teasing guys :P | 00:37 |
faenil | anyway, good night :) hope you will get your deserved rest :) sooner or later | 00:37 |
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Aard | faenil: I'm staying up a bit longer as well :p | 00:39 |
w00t | lpotter: you don't count, you're australian :P | 00:39 |
Aard | w00t: I thought you too? | 00:39 |
faenil | haahah | 00:39 |
w00t | Aard: .. and also in australia :( | 00:40 |
Aard | w00t: lame excuses | 00:40 |
faenil | xD | 00:40 |
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chriadam | hehe | 00:40 |
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w00t | you know, a dell u3011 and a compiling macbook is more than enough to heat this office quite well | 00:49 |
w00t | special: ^ survival guide to norway | 00:49 |
lpotter | heck, just running flash in Safari is enough to heat up a small room | 00:54 |
Aard | w00t: at least here in finland it's almost t-shirt weather | 00:57 |
lpotter | almost t-shirt wether here too... put on a t-shirt, that is | 00:59 |
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w00t | Aard: yeah, it's warmed up here the past days | 01:04 |
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the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8179 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8179 | 01:36 |
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juiceme | morning | 05:50 |
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iekku | morning | 06:08 |
dm8tbr | moaning | 06:10 |
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situ | Morning | 06:44 |
plundstr | sage: for SR 8171. I didn't see any need for themedaemon. maliit worked nicely without it | 06:51 |
special | ugh, not sure if that message went through.. | 06:53 |
special | plundstr: if the keyboard loads qt-components et al, those will wait up to 3 seconds for a themedaemon connection before falling back | 06:54 |
special | (of course, right now mthemedaemon.service doesn't actually guarantee that the themedaemon is ready, but that's another problem..) | 06:55 |
plundstr | special: Are you saying that we should start also mthemedaemon for devicelock? | 06:56 |
mikhas | wait what? mthemedaemon is still not dead?! | 07:01 |
plundstr | I don't know if it does anything (can't see the difference with and without) but at least it is running. | 07:02 |
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mikhas | the idea of a theme daemon is to cache graphical assets and share them between applications | 07:04 |
mikhas | however, the way mthemedaemon does it is completely braindead, IMO | 07:05 |
mikhas | (what you need to optimize is what gets loaded onto the GPU) | 07:05 |
special | plundstr: I don't know. Possibly. | 07:05 |
special | mikhas: what's braindead about it? | 07:05 |
special | plundstr: there will be warnings printed if it's waiting on the theme daemon or if it falls back to the local theme provider | 07:07 |
mikhas | special, it requires applications to use special macros and that non-working, sometimes very slow MScalableImage | 07:07 |
mikhas | special, I think you could do all the caching transparently, within the graphics engine for instance | 07:08 |
special | mikhas: it's changed since the meegotouch days | 07:08 |
special | mikhas: it's all hidden behind the theme provider for QML | 07:08 |
special | qt-components implements a provider to allow the use of things like.. source: "image://theme/icon-l-quack" | 07:09 |
special | that will look up icon-l-quack in the theme, using mthemedaemon and all of its benefits if available | 07:09 |
mikhas | special, file-based caching is something the kernel should already do for you | 07:10 |
special | mikhas: it's not file-based, the images are decoded and shared between processes.. X pixmaps, possibly? I forget the details | 07:10 |
mikhas | XPixmaps? Ugh … that means roundtrips | 07:11 |
special | it shares memory, saves the decoding time and the theme lookup time | 07:11 |
mikhas | Do you have benchmarks *proving* the claimed benefits of mthemedaemon? | 07:11 |
special | yes | 07:11 |
mikhas | And have you checked whether you could possibly recreate those benefits in a much much simpler way? | 07:11 |
special | when w00t and I enabled it 4 or 5 months ago we benchmarked, it was around 400ms off startup time for qt-components applications | 07:11 |
special | such as? | 07:12 |
mikhas | To be fair, I havent checked whether you ripped out parts/cleaned up mthemedaemon already. | 07:12 |
special | it's untouched other than removing the meegotouch dependency, I believe | 07:12 |
mikhas | special, instead of having many small icons/assets, have a sprite map for instance | 07:13 |
mikhas | originally, MeeGo Touch was designed to come with a SVG-based theming engine … | 07:13 |
special | that might make mthemedaemon's performance better, but it wouldn't solve any of the problems mthemedaemon is meant to solve | 07:13 |
mikhas | only that SVG parsing was slow with Qt | 07:13 |
special | PNG decoding on ARM is *slow*. The filesystem search is slow, thanks to braindead theme directory layouts | 07:14 |
mikhas | bingo | 07:14 |
special | and without some daemon involved those will be done separately for every application every time | 07:14 |
mikhas | but you wouldn't have to use PNGs in the first place | 07:14 |
mikhas | could all be vector graphics | 07:14 |
special | I don't understand? Vector graphics would be nice, but that makes performance issues even worse. | 07:15 |
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plundstr | special: I can see the warning, "WARNING: RemoteThemeDaemonClient: Failed to connect to theme server" but even if I add back the old line "Requires=mthemedaemon.service" to maliit, that warning won't go away. So my change to maliit oes nothing new. | 07:16 |
special | plundstr: yeah, that's what I meant. We should really get the signalling to systemd set up from mthemedaemon (and mapplauncherd) | 07:17 |
plundstr | special: I can add those at some point, should have a bug as remainder | 07:18 |
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special | plundstr: email for CC? | 07:24 |
plundstr | special: pekka.lundstrom@jollamobile.com | 07:24 |
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special | done | 07:27 |
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plundstr | thanks | 07:28 |
mikhas | ah, it's you Pekka! the guy who helped me with upstart back then ;-) | 07:30 |
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plundstr | Hi Michael, yes same old me. Boot is hunting me no matter where I go ;) | 07:36 |
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mikhas | that's why one should only write "loves making cupcakes" on a CV, otherwise you get employed for what you have been doing for years | 07:39 |
mikhas | ;-) | 07:40 |
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the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8171 Rejected promotion request | 08:23 |
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the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8181 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8181 | 09:05 |
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the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8182 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8182 | 09:06 |
the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8183 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8183 | 09:07 |
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sledges | thp, do you like social sites? (diaspora/g+/fb) ? :) | 09:57 |
thp | sledges: i'm on g+ if you mean that. not using it regularly. | 10:00 |
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thp | and twitter, obviously | 10:01 |
rcg | btw is there a (good) g+ client for nemo or harmattan? | 10:01 |
sledges | the next big effort on Nemo/Sailfish will be social app | 10:01 |
sledges | mw is being done already by chriadam|away and Sfiet_Konstantin | 10:01 |
sledges | UX is begging to be made | 10:02 |
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sledges | the one and only hurdle is - we need info if Jolla is making the UI, to avoid double effort | 10:02 |
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phako | rcg, apart from the "no api, no app" problem... | 10:02 |
thp | rcg: crochik's gapp? | 10:02 |
Stskeeps | sledges: my general opinion is never to rely on a single person or company's plans | 10:03 |
Stskeeps | sledges: that showed quite well in meego | 10:04 |
sledges | so you recommend to just go with it and write social UI for Nemo | 10:04 |
sledges | opensource it, and whoever wants, they can enjoy the benefits of | 10:04 |
sledges | such open effort (a relatively big one), needs a steering group/community around it I believe | 10:05 |
thp | instead of writing stuff from scratch all the time, what about using a proven social app and just putting a mobile ui on top? | 10:05 |
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sledges | FB has been written many times, using many different approaches (I know at least 3 fb apps for/ported to nemo) | 10:06 |
sledges | but the traction is around QML these days, because there has been no decency around social fb app in qml terms | 10:06 |
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sledges | (withe exception of Nokia FB Client harmattan app) | 10:07 |
rcg | well, my hope was that there is already a harmattan app that can be easily ported/packaged for nemo | 10:07 |
sledges | (closed src..) | 10:07 |
sledges | ^ rcg :) | 10:07 |
rcg | e.g., kasvopus and twimgo are great :) | 10:07 |
sledges | current MW effort (in nemo-qml-plugins social) is to unify the API of multiple social sites, so one could have a unified news feed to say the least) | 10:08 |
rcg | sounds nice | 10:09 |
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sledges | we need a discussion on ml about the vision/design/reuse-possibilities | 10:11 |
sledges | I think Sfiet_Konstantin could draw a picture from how existing mw will look like and what ux can fit on top | 10:12 |
sledges | and if ppl are comfortable with 'one social app to rule them all' idea | 10:13 |
sledges | and/or should microblogging sites be separated from that lot | 10:13 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | mw ? | 10:13 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: currently, we are focusing on facebook | 10:13 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe other social network will come one day | 10:13 |
sledges | so is it extensible/pluggable ? | 10:14 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | it is | 10:16 |
sledges | it's good you're taking one step at a time then :) | 10:18 |
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the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#8184 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/8184 | 10:31 |
rcg | :) | 10:33 |
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faenil | morning guys! o/ | 10:40 |
rcg | mornin faenil | 10:45 |
faenil | o/ | 10:45 |
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faenil | people asking whether kernel 3.9 (which brings ARM optimizations) will help with harmattan | 10:52 |
Stskeeps | no | 10:52 |
Stskeeps | :P | 10:52 |
faenil | :D | 10:52 |
faenil | will it help nemo? :P | 10:52 |
Stskeeps | not really no | 10:52 |
faenil | jk :P | 10:53 |
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faenil | This uni project I'm working on is about texture packing, but I should definitely reuse code for a Tetris CPU AI..... | 11:01 |
faenil | it's basically the same thing! XD | 11:01 |
faenil | thp, ping | 11:04 |
thp | faenil: tetris cpu ai? | 11:07 |
faenil | thp, yeah AI for the tetris game | 11:07 |
faenil | essentially the texture packing algo I'm building is the same thing | 11:08 |
faenil | plays a tetris game with textures :D | 11:08 |
faenil | thp, anyway, I was wondering, how would you feel about organizing a Nemo "contributaton" :D | 11:10 |
faenil | I've always wanted to have an event like that...but I first wanted to ask you as you have more experience with this kind of events | 11:11 |
fk_lx | faenil: it would be good if someone else would organize it, who doesn't exclude people for no reason, someone neutral | 11:12 |
faenil | fk_lx, I don't see why one would exclude people :) | 11:12 |
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fk_lx | faenil: and I see, there a lot more people in Nemo community who would be more suitable for this | 11:13 |
faenil | oh come on guys :) peace and love | 11:14 |
rcg | faenil, +1 :) | 11:16 |
faenil | so, if thp or anyone else has any valuable input on this, I'd like to keep this going :) | 11:19 |
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fk_lx | faenil: such nemo hackathon could happen almost anywhere, but it is for sure better if there is a place where you can find cheap accomodation to minimize the costs. You can also do parallel hackathons, like it is with Python Bug Day, so people gather in more than one location (but each location includes some more experienced people to help those less experienced) | 11:54 |
fk_lx | great idea could be some kind of camping area with good internet connection and easy to reach by transport | 11:58 |
fk_lx | public transport | 11:58 |
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* iekku too | 11:59 | |
fk_lx | :-) | 12:00 |
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azadpaki | Hi every one | 12:07 |
iekku | ahoy | 12:07 |
azadpaki | I installed nemo on n900 and wana discuss some issues | 12:08 |
fk_lx | azdapaki: feel free | 12:08 |
iekku | did you install it to memory card, if you did, which one? | 12:09 |
faenil | fk_lx, thinking about a place in Pisa... | 12:09 |
azadpaki | I installed it on memory card | 12:09 |
azadpaki | every thing is fine\ | 12:09 |
fk_lx | faenil: really nice place and cheap airlines are operating to Pisa | 12:09 |
azadpaki | but scrolling in "setting" not functioning\ | 12:10 |
fk_lx | fk_lx: do you know any pleace that could be used for free, like university, library etc. | 12:10 |
faenil | fk_lx, I'm thinking... | 12:11 |
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azadpaki | I thing it is a bug in nemo mobile image N900 that scrolling is not functioning in Mobile Settings | 12:12 |
iekku | azadpaki, https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573 ? | 12:12 |
Merbot | Nemo bug 573 in Settings/ControlPanel "No scrolling in ControlPanel" [Normal,New] | 12:12 |
faenil | holy crap that's a huge problem xD | 12:12 |
azadpaki | thanks\ | 12:12 |
azadpaki | problem 2. Volume bar is also not functioning | 12:13 |
faenil | that's also known I guess | 12:14 |
faenil | don't know if the stuff thp commited today fixes that | 12:14 |
azadpaki | Nemo is getting better but need some basic things first | 12:15 |
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azadpaki | UX is fine but in N900 no close button so I have to open keyboard to close through long process | 12:17 |
thp | azadpaki: swipe from edge not working? | 12:18 |
fk_lx | thp: only working with pencil | 12:19 |
fk_lx | I mean plastic pen | 12:19 |
iekku | i think n900 isn't so much supported anymore, more fixes coming to n9 and n950 | 12:19 |
azadpaki | swipe from corner also not working | 12:19 |
fk_lx | azdapaki: it works with finger but is really hard to acheive | 12:19 |
fk_lx | azdapaki: try with pen | 12:20 |
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w00t | someone needs to make the gestures plugin threshold configurable | 12:23 |
w00t | there's a todo in the code for it, but it hasn't ever happened | 12:23 |
w00t | on the n900, you'd want a larger value | 12:23 |
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w00t | i'm happy to help someone do it, but as i don't have an n900, i have no motivation to do it myself | 12:26 |
w00t | so.. any takers? | 12:26 |
fk_lx | w00t: I could if you'd help, have N900 with Nemo | 12:28 |
w00t | ok, so the repository you'll want is at https://github.com/nemomobile/mcompositor-gestures | 12:29 |
w00t | https://github.com/nemomobile/mcompositor-gestures/blob/master/src/mswitchergesture.cpp#L202 that is what you'll want to change | 12:29 |
fk_lx | ok, will have a look | 12:30 |
iekku | :) | 12:31 |
w00t | I'd suggest using qgetenv to try look for an environment variable and fall back to the default (10) if it isn't set or is invalid, and then look at exporting the right environment variable in the n900 specific device configuration | 12:31 |
w00t | Sage: can help you with where that is | 12:32 |
norayr | w00t: you did not move that repo, right? https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/meegotouch-community-l10n | 12:34 |
norayr | just to make sure | 12:34 |
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w00t | norayr: no, I've been a bit busy the past few days | 12:35 |
w00t | I'll look at it today | 12:35 |
w00t | sorry for the delay | 12:35 |
norayr | no problem | 12:36 |
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sledges | w00t, I haven't got the non-gradient icon. hope it's vectory | 13:53 |
sledges | w00t, to your 2nd comment: Vesuri hardcoded the resolution numbers into the graphic file name, we should agree on consensus | 13:53 |
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sledges | Vesuri: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-theme-default/pull/1#issuecomment-13944048 | 13:54 |
w00t | sledges: well, we can just change it ;) | 13:54 |
w00t | there isn't a graphic, so there's no problem changing it | 13:54 |
w00t | I'll find a link to the SVG, one moment | 13:55 |
sledges | that could go to Mer/Artwork repo too ;) | 13:55 |
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Vesuri | sledges: I did tell you it can be changed | 14:07 |
Vesuri | (04:22:57 PM) Vesuri: sledges: yeah, it might be more flexible if the asset name wouldn't mention the size and then there could be different asset (theme) packages for different devices | 14:08 |
Vesuri | (04:30:39 PM) Vesuri: sure, it's also possible to have one image that's suitable for all devices, either centered or stretched to fit | 14:08 |
Vesuri | (04:30:46 PM) Vesuri: and rotated if necessary | 14:08 |
Vesuri | (04:31:01 PM) Vesuri: the shutdown screen qml is in lipstick-colorful-home | 14:08 |
Vesuri | so... please choose a suitable alternative, keeping in mind that the device resolution and orientation may differ | 14:08 |
Vesuri | imho the most flexible solution would be one that doesn't use a fullscreen image but something that can be centered on the screen on any reasonably sized screen and rotated as necessary | 14:09 |
sledges | ok, I'm happy everyone's aware about the change (in this way we'd avoid surprises during the demo moments) | 14:09 |
Vesuri | that would mean a solid color background (any color) and an image that can be nicely placed in the middle | 14:10 |
Vesuri | example from the past: the Harmattan shutdown screen is a black screen with a nokia logo in the middle - the image is not a full screen image, but just the nokia logo which is then placed in the middle of a black screen | 14:11 |
sledges | soudns enchanting and easy, pity we're then walled by "powered by mer" bit at the bottom corner -- that kind of freedom | 14:12 |
Vesuri | sledges: you can have multiple images as well and just anchor one of them to the bottom edge of the screen | 14:12 |
Vesuri | like shutdown-logo anchored to middle, shutdown-disclaimer anchored to bottom right... | 14:13 |
sledges | I like the disclaimer naming ;) so things become identifiable, yet not overcomplicated | 14:14 |
sledges | I'm off to Berlin now, will put the images together Tuesday | 14:20 |
sledges | now time for good karate grading :) | 14:20 |
sledges | cyas! | 14:20 |
mikhas | sledges, could meet for beer if you come to Berlin | 14:24 |
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kontio | Sage: can you please comment on https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=537#c4 ? a test case is failing due to missing gstreamer plugins, can we add these plugins, or should we patch tracker to not test these file types? | 15:22 |
Merbot | Nemo bug 537 in .Other "tracker-tests: 11 test cases fail" [Major,Assigned] | 15:22 |
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kontio | Sage: thx | 15:50 |
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