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| sigmaorion_ | hi there! I'm trying to donwload the flasher to install nemomobile, but the site seems to be down... | 05:43 |
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| sigmaorion_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php as per wiki... | 05:44 |
| sigmaorion_ | I've been trying since early today | 05:44 |
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| Jonni | sigmaorion___: that flasher site has been down for a week, so you need to google the flasher from somewhere else for time beeing. | 06:58 |
| sampos | Aard: from man signal: "The effects of signal() in a multithreaded process are unspecified." | 06:59 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7751 Accepted promotion request | 07:08 |
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| iekku | nemo bug triage starting soon | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | anybody around who can volunteer to do a quick test of n950-n9 image? | 08:10 |
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| * sampos sold it on ebay for $1000 | 08:15 | |
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| sampos | :) | 08:16 |
| sampos | Stskeeps: meaning i need to flash a new image ? | 08:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | sage'll do it, no worry | 08:24 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well doesn't boot :P | 08:37 |
| Sage | got splash and after that halts | 08:37 |
| Aard | sampos: so we need another way to handle the interrupt thing :) | 08:38 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: the Xorg seems running and everything else as well it just doesn't respond | 08:39 |
| sampos | Aard: I guess so :) sigaction should work if i read correcltly | 08:39 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/5895078 the lines in the end normal btw? | 08:39 |
| sampos | Aard: i've been getting the stall issues now also. And the stall comes faster with debugging on | 08:40 |
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| Sage | spiiroin: http://pastie.org/5895083 ? | 08:41 |
| Aard | sampos: depends on what kind of debugging. with strace it works perfectly for me :) | 08:41 |
| spiiroin | Sage: checking ... | 08:42 |
| sampos | Aard: ah yeah :) but -d causes probs ? | 08:42 |
| Sage | spiiroin: restarted lipstick service manually and now it is ok | 08:42 |
| Sage | spiiroin: ah, lipstick doesn't require mce.service and it should? | 08:43 |
| spiiroin | Sage: yeah, looks like systemd decided that lipstick is not startable and the mce complains that it can't do ipc with it | 08:43 |
| spiiroin | Sage: depends how it is done | 08:44 |
| sampos | Aard: i'm trying to see if it tries to recover from m_transporter->reset() | 08:44 |
| spiiroin | sage: in sane world both should just detect when the other end comes available | 08:44 |
| Sage | spiiroin: well should lipstick.service have After mce.service ? | 08:44 |
| Sage | spiiroin: sure | 08:44 |
| spiiroin | sage: as a quick fix, yes | 08:44 |
| Aard | sampos: with or without -d is same for me, and seems a bit random when it kicks in. on my wifes notebook it stalled yesterday after first song, while I managed to copy half an album over | 08:45 |
| Sage | spiiroin: well that is better way to do it as then both can start when ever they are ready without need to wait for other | 08:45 |
| Aard | sampos: I wanted to add a debug message when it sends sigusr to have in the log if it happens on that interrupt thing | 08:46 |
| spiiroin | Sage: at least mce side is bit hmmm... broken in this sense. timers and retries instead of doing the right thing | 08:46 |
| Sage | spiiroin: add to your todo? ;) | 08:46 |
| spiiroin | Sage: why not ... | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: screen lock? | 08:47 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: other than above it seems ok really. Doing reboot and checking if it is ok after that | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:49 |
| Sage | yup, first boot fails because of bad deps or something on ui level | 08:49 |
| Sage | spiiroin: so lipstick should watch for mce dbus when it appears instead of requiring it up when it is started | 08:49 |
| spiiroin | Sage: yes, but I do not think it would be that bad a sin for lipstick to assume mce is there if we want to keep things simple | 08:50 |
| Sage | spiiroin: well in general if mce needs to restart for some reason lipstick probalby should adapt to that? | 08:51 |
| spiiroin | Sage: in olden times mce was started early and the device was rebooted if it died -> similar assumptions might be found elsewhere too | 08:52 |
| spiiroin | Sage: but since ssu probably might require mce restart -> it would be better if clients track services they need | 08:52 |
| spiiroin | not to mention we do not need to do so much special case dependency tracking for startup | 08:53 |
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| Sage | spiiroin: did bug and add you as cc | 08:58 |
| Sage | spiiroin: more info welcome there | 08:59 |
| spiiroin | Sage: ack | 08:59 |
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| sampos | Aard: http://pastie.org/5895446. this one by sending kill -11 to mtp_service once it's stuck. | 09:22 |
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| Aard | sampos: seems that linux libc implements signal() with svr4 semantics. I never noticed that before | 09:45 |
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| sampos | Aard: yeah. threadio.cpp:256 // TODO: Not 100% reliable operation | 09:59 |
| Aard | I'm just changing to sigaction | 09:59 |
| sampos | great | 09:59 |
| sampos | then it might recover from reset() | 09:59 |
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| Aard | sampos: does it look sanish? http://bwachter.lart.info/patches/0001-Change-signal-handling-to-sigaction.patch | 10:31 |
| sampos | Aard: looks correct to me | 10:41 |
| Aard | does not change the behaviour, though, but might fix some other unpleasent bits we didn't see yet | 10:41 |
| sampos | ok. will check on my end anyway. | 10:42 |
| Aard | hmpf. bitbucket does not let me push | 10:42 |
| Aard | now its pushed | 10:46 |
| Aard | sampos: and check the vvaltonen branch, what he started to fix there might be related there as well | 10:48 |
| sampos | will do | 10:48 |
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| sampos | Aard: pushed 74 files before the error, 208 x "Sending interrupt signal" in the log | 11:11 |
| Aard | so for you it stalls after the interrupt signal? | 11:12 |
| sampos | the last time | 11:12 |
| sampos | but rarely | 11:13 |
| Aard | I didn't see it in the logs myself, so I was guessing it's mostly unrelated to that | 11:13 |
| sampos | i always get: Invalid container received! Expected command, received data | 11:14 |
| sampos | and then it freezes | 11:14 |
| Aard | in the logfile, or stdout/err? | 11:14 |
| sampos | both | 11:14 |
| sampos | it deadlocks in reset() | 11:16 |
| Aard | I never saw this one yet | 11:16 |
| sampos | oh | 11:16 |
| Aard | the last commit in vvaltonen branch seems to aim at fixing some reset issue, so it looks like he didn't finish | 11:17 |
| sampos | it does | 11:17 |
| Aard | so maybe try merge in those two, and go from there? | 11:18 |
| sampos | i'll try. although the commit msg "test 1 for fixing reset" is not very encouraging :) | 11:19 |
| Aard | yeah, but it's a start :p | 11:20 |
| Aard | and the second commit seems to be a start for beeing able to restart the session | 11:20 |
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| Sage | yunta: with your 3.6.11 kernel lenovo s10-3t doesn't detect the rj45 network card :/ | 11:49 |
| Sage | wifi works on my (atheros) one though | 11:50 |
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| yunta | rj45? you mean cable modem? | 11:51 |
| Sage | I mean cable ethernet | 11:54 |
| Sage | no idea what it should be called so that everyone would understand :) | 11:55 |
| yunta | Sage: you got that right, modem was rj21 or something, my mistake | 11:57 |
| yunta | Sage: could you get me your lspci. I'm sure it worked for me on my lenovo, wireless didn't. | 11:58 |
| Sage | yunta: found the issue already :) | 11:58 |
| Sage | -# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_ATHEROS is not set | 11:58 |
| Sage | +CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_ATHEROS=y | 11:58 |
| Sage | that is probably it as it has ATHEROS chip :) | 11:58 |
| Sage | need to check on devie | 11:59 |
| Sage | or hmmp... | 12:01 |
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| okias | Hello, where is changelog for specific build (n900)? | 12:37 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7752 Rejected promotion request | 12:58 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7753 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7753 | 13:11 |
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| sampos | Aard: now it seems i manage the reset. | 13:14 |
| sampos | ..only too well. Now it recovers from disconnecting usb cable without exiting :) | 13:15 |
| Aard | well, it's progress :p | 13:16 |
| Aard | disconnecting usb-cable should make moded kill the service. can you kill it manually? | 13:16 |
| sampos | Aard: ah. i'm not running as a service but from cli. so it might be there is no problem | 13:17 |
| Aard | yes. can you do a try with the path through moded? | 13:18 |
| sampos | i will, what signal does the moded send ? | 13:18 |
| Aard | or, wait, you don't even need that | 13:18 |
| Aard | buteo-mtp start|stop should do it | 13:19 |
| Aard | usb-moded just calls buteo-mtp stop, and then unmounts functionfs/unloads functionfs module | 13:19 |
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| sigmaorion | Jonni, I've seen your message about the site for the flasher being down, but "IRC Chatter" clears the whole conversation when it reconnects, and I couldn't read further messages | 13:41 |
| sigmaorion | I should download from some other site around but, is that safe? Any advice on where to look for it? | 13:41 |
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| sledges | sigmaorion, http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/ | 13:47 |
| sigmaorion | sledges, you mean I should read all the log to find the answer? hehe! | 13:47 |
| sledges | well you can read what you missed ..", and I couldn't read further messages" | 13:48 |
| sigmaorion | sledges, oh, I see, you are right! | 13:48 |
| sigmaorion | thanks a lot! | 13:48 |
| sledges | ah, understood now :) -> yup, that was the answer to your first sentence :)) don't know about where to d/l it from (have one flasher myself, probably it will soon start the dropbox era...) | 13:49 |
| sigmaorion | sledges, yeap, there were no further messages anyway... | 13:51 |
| sledges | mhm | 13:51 |
| sigmaorion | well, I'm googling for it, no luck so far | 13:51 |
| sledges | I got these here: | 13:52 |
| sledges | ./flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb | 13:52 |
| sledges | ./maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz | 13:52 |
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| sigmaorion | sledges, is there anyway you can share them? | 13:53 |
| sledges | sure | 13:53 |
| sledges | https://www.dropbox.com/s/20jy073fgabxdg2/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz | 13:54 |
| sledges | sigmaorion, ^ | 13:55 |
| sledges | https://www.dropbox.com/s/dthk98dtc5rdw0s/flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb | 13:55 |
| sigmaorion | sledges, thanks so much! | 13:58 |
| sledges | no probs sigmaorion , happy flashing :) | 13:58 |
| sigmaorion | don't you think those files should be hosted around in the internet so that they are available | 13:58 |
| sigmaorion | ? | 13:58 |
| sigmaorion | or would there be any licencing issues or something? | 13:58 |
| sigmaorion | I mean, if we want Nemo to be openly tested, then the flasher should be easily available... | 13:59 |
| sledges | I thought licencing pros would nag me already now on this channel for dropboxing ;D | 13:59 |
| sledges | flasher's nokia's | 14:00 |
| * sledges looks into the tarball.. | 14:00 | |
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| sigmaorion | well: "This Software Agreement ("Agreement") is between You (either an individual or an entity), the End User, and Nokia Corporation ("Nokia"). The Agreement authorizes You to use the Software specified in Clause 1 below, which may be stored on a CD-ROM, sent to You by electronic mail, or downloaded from Nokia's Web pages or Servers or from other sources under the terms and conditions set forth below | 14:02 |
| sledges | sounds like GPL, and libusb as part of flasher is under LGPLv2 | 14:02 |
| sigmaorion | looks like it can be freely distributed | 14:02 |
| sigmaorion | further down it's prohibited to distribute the software... | 14:05 |
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| * sledges hears that FBI is knocking on the door | 14:06 | |
| sledges | wait, I'll answer and soon come back | 14:06 |
| sigmaorion | hehehe | 14:07 |
| sampos | Aard: in start-mtp.sh where does the xdg-user-dir come from ? | 14:09 |
| Aard | xdg-user-dirs | 14:09 |
| Aard | sampos: not installed on default nemo? | 14:10 |
| sigmaorion | ooooh, MOSLO is not available either! | 14:10 |
| sampos | Aard: nm. i think i have a messed up spec file. Got a nice effect when there was link back to $home on .config/mtpstorage | 14:12 |
| Aard | sampos: copy the one from the git tree, I try to keep it updated | 14:13 |
| sampos | ok, great | 14:14 |
| sigmaorion | sledges, any alternative way to get MOSLO for my N9? | 14:19 |
| * sigmaorion might be asking for too much | 14:19 | |
| sledges | you mean, other than via the flasher? | 14:22 |
| sledges | sigmaorion, Hurrian suggested yesterday to rantom who was asking the same: "rantom, you could probably run all the steps that need flasher under the on-device Flasher, if you don't have flasher and the mirrors are down" | 14:24 |
| sledges | further conversation at 10am: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-01-27.log.html | 14:25 |
| sledges | ;) | 14:25 |
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| sigmaorion | sledges, what is the internal flasher all about? I couldn't find much information about it... | 15:27 |
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| sledges | not much info, true. peeps on Maemo used to use it more (in conjunction with softupd) | 15:44 |
| sledges | maybe it gets installed together with one of the dev packages? | 15:44 |
| sledges | now I believe eyes are on https://github.com/radare/0xFFFF | 15:44 |
| sledges | navifirm.pl just failed: Incorrect parameter at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/SOAP/Lite.pm line 1993, <> line 1. | 15:51 |
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| Aard | sampos: progress? | 15:58 |
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| sigmaorion | ooh, 0xFFFF is the name of the flasher? I got confused thinking they were talking about a memory address!!! | 16:11 |
| sledges | me too :)) | 16:14 |
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| sigmaorion | reading the DOCs for 0xFFFF comes to my mind... why could a device possibly ever get bricked? Is it because the code in the device for flashing can get overwritten somehow and you cannot flash it ever again or is it because the device will block it self because of some other reason? | 16:17 |
| dm8tbr | sigmaorion: most devices you can 'cold flash', BUT for that to run they still need certain bit in flash to be there. Specifically 'CAL' partition. | 16:19 |
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| dm8tbr | sigmaorion: so the fastest way to a non-recoverable brick is to corrupt your cal partition. | 16:20 |
| dm8tbr | (This could only be recovered by the same process that is used in the factory to initialize the device. Not feasible for joe public, ever.) | 16:22 |
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| sigmaorion | dm8tbr, I see... what do they use in factory? jtag? | 16:30 |
| dm8tbr | no clue whatsoever | 16:30 |
| dm8tbr | but probably a signed USB loader that doesn't rely on CAL | 16:31 |
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| sigmaorion | what is that CAL thing, after all? is it a partition that stores certificates? | 16:32 |
| dm8tbr | some small partition that contains some hw specific things apparently. Never looked closely | 16:35 |
| sigmaorion | pretty interesting... but is the CAL partition included in the firmware image? | 16:36 |
| dm8tbr | no | 16:36 |
| sigmaorion | and is it readable? | 16:36 |
| dm8tbr | I think so | 16:37 |
| sigmaorion | in that case a backup of the partition could be done and, if there were some way to access the flash memory without relying on NOLO, we could unbrick any phone | 16:38 |
| dm8tbr | not possible | 16:38 |
| dm8tbr | NOLO relies on CAL existence. you're dead. | 16:39 |
| dm8tbr | there have been smarter people than us two at this | 16:39 |
| sigmaorion | yeap, that's why the idea would be not to depend on NOLO | 16:40 |
| dm8tbr | you can't | 16:40 |
| sigmaorion | is the flash memory bundled in the same chip as NOLO? | 16:42 |
| dm8tbr | sigmaorion: do you know what high security silicon is? | 16:43 |
| sigmaorion | dm8tbr, never heard about it... | 16:44 |
| dm8tbr | sigmaorion: look at 'omap' and 'mshield' | 16:45 |
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| sigmaorion | reading about it now... | 16:49 |
| sigmaorion | it's hardware protected, so there is no way :( | 16:50 |
| dm8tbr | which brings us back to square 1: do not mess with CAL! | 16:51 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7757 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7757 | 17:19 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#28 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/28 | 19:13 |
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| sigmaorion | what happens to NOLO when MOSLO is installed? Do they coexist or MOSLO overwrittes NOLO? (I've done this question before but my client got disconnected, sorry if it is duplicated) | 20:32 |
| dm8tbr | MOSLO is loaded by NOLO | 20:34 |
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| sledges | nice Merbot ;) | 22:04 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Hallo was geht ab hier rein | 22:29 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Oops lol, just tried out a new keyboard layout | 22:30 |
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