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| Frye | Hmm, is the issue with wlan known. It just does not stay alive at all. Or is it just me and I need to try to debug it further =) | 10:54 |
| Frye | I've tried pretty much everything form a raindance to a reboot and it just randomly dies after 1-xk successfull pings. | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | iwconfig wlan0 power off | 10:56 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, why don't we switch that off by default? | 10:57 |
| faenil | I mean...it causes problems to everyone | 10:57 |
| Frye | I'll drop another line to the faq on the installation page if that one works for me. | 10:59 |
| Frye | for now it died again | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: the problem is that it is misconfigured | 10:59 |
| Frye | so does not seem to help | 10:59 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, well yeah there's a problem for sure :P what I suggested is why don't we switch it off by default until someone fixes that misconfiguration or whatever it is :) | 11:00 |
| Frye | Ok another try | 11:01 |
| Frye | this time I got 13 secs of network | 11:01 |
| Frye | does not seem to help | 11:01 |
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| Frye | Now 30 secs | 11:04 |
| Frye | and power management is off =( | 11:04 |
| faenil | o/ jukkaeklund_ | 11:04 |
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| anYc | Frye: anything in dmesg? | 11:04 |
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| anYc | maybe starting wpa_supplicant manually with debug output gives a hint? | 11:05 |
| Frye | Maybe I'm totally thumbless with wlan on linux. I remember using some driver like 8-10 years ago with a wrapper of some sort =) | 11:06 |
| anYc | ndiswrapper maybe. never had to use it | 11:07 |
| Frye | yeah | 11:08 |
| anYc | just type "dmesg" in a terminal. starting wpa_supplicant manually is a little bit difficult. i don't have my nemo device at hand | 11:08 |
| Frye | that was it | 11:08 |
| Frye | went through dmesg | 11:08 |
| Frye | nothing that looked suspicious on wlan | 11:08 |
| Frye | some stack trace of interrupt handler though | 11:09 |
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| Frye | pm34xx.c | 11:09 |
| Frye | Yeah, I can try to get some debugging info, but I'd need instructions for that. | 11:10 |
| anYc | I never tried it on nemo, but on a PC you take the generated wpa_supplicant.conf and start wpa_supplicant with something like "-i wlan0 -D wext -c my_wpa_config.conf -d". But I don't know if connman generates such a temporary config in the filesystem | 11:12 |
| Frye | ok | 11:12 |
| anYc | on my PCs it's generated in /var/lib/$my_tool/ | 11:13 |
| Frye | only line on dmesg after failure now is pvr: mcompositor: IOCTL 70 failed (13) | 11:13 |
| Frye | No idea if that is relevant | 11:13 |
| Frye | I just dumped dmesg | 11:13 |
| Frye | restarted wlan | 11:14 |
| Frye | and that's whats added approx at the time of failure. | 11:14 |
| anYc | hm okay, I don't remember seeing something like this. maybe it's best to file a bug with this | 11:14 |
| Frye | I'll try to get the zypper up and reboot done before this | 11:15 |
| Frye | crossing fingers it's already fixed :D | 11:15 |
| Frye | Ah, hmm the signal strength is terrible | 11:16 |
| Frye | Wondering why it's associated to the AP that is on another floor when there is one right next to me =( | 11:17 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7448 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7448 | 11:17 |
| Frye | I'll go sitting upstairs for a moment and see if that helps with the link | 11:17 |
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| Frye | anYc, Ok, seems like it worked upstairs | 11:21 |
| Frye | And that the wlan for some reason cannot do the handover to the other AP | 11:21 |
| Frye | Anyway to be sure I need to do a longer test upstairs. | 11:22 |
| Frye | There was only few packages left to be downloaded | 11:22 |
| anYc | are they using the same ssid and are in the same subnet? | 11:25 |
| Sage | o/ | 11:26 |
| anYc | (but I'm not familiar with how wpa_supplicant handles such cases) | 11:26 |
| anYc | hi | 11:26 |
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| Frye | anYc, yeah it's an extended wlan | 11:37 |
| Frye | So the other one is pretty much just a repeater. | 11:38 |
| Frye | and it's attached to the repeater not to the master :D | 11:38 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7449 Rejected promotion request | 13:21 |
| rozhkov | phaeron: lbt: what's wrong with SR#7449? | 13:24 |
| Sage | rozhkov: resubmit obs went bad | 13:29 |
| Sage | obs returned empty response in part of the checks apparently instead of proper content | 13:29 |
| rozhkov | Sage: ic, will try again | 13:29 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7450 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7450 | 13:31 |
| Sage | :) | 13:34 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, whats the state of GPS support in Nemo ? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | n900? needs wiring up | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | n950/n9: no way | 14:25 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: ok | 14:26 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: missing drivers for the N9/50 ? :) | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | feb11 kinda killed that | 14:26 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, kinda unfortunate, but it is at least good that it should work on the N900 in the future as that's wham I'm currently testing on anyway | 14:27 |
| M4rtinK | so lets wait until it's wired up (am afraid I'm not that well versed in C++ & QtMobility to do that myself) :) | 14:29 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7451 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7451 | 14:32 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7451 Accepted promotion request | 14:41 |
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| qwazix | \join #maemo-meeting | 14:53 |
| qwazix | damn slashes... | 14:54 |
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| * Stskeeps hands qwazix some slashes | 14:54 | |
| Stskeeps | how was your trip home? | 14:54 |
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| qwazix | Stskeeps, that was fine, now back to being busy :) It was a very good break though... | 15:01 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7452 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7452 | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: hope we put on a good show and it was worth coming :) | 15:01 |
| qwazix | Absolutely! The launch event is something I'll never forget. | 15:02 |
| qwazix | Did you manage to relax a bit from all the pre-conference stress? | 15:02 |
| w00t | yeah, everyone got sick instead -_- | 15:02 |
| qwazix | ouch... | 15:03 |
| anYc | snacks sponsored by nokia? ;) | 15:03 |
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| cybette | it's a team effort. we all get sick together, and work on recovering together faster. | 15:04 |
| cybette | at least I hope it works out that way :) | 15:05 |
| qwazix | I think it will. You can come to Greece. Sun is good for recovery :-) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | must.. refrain.. from.. economics.. joke | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | (they always talk about economic recovery in the news) | 15:07 |
| qwazix | what economics? We have no economics :-) | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | good point ;) | 15:07 |
| cybette | lol | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: so, since i haven't asked you - out of personal curiousity, what do you expect and what would you like to see from sailfish in respect of licensing/open source/what's available and what's not? | 15:08 |
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| qwazix | hmm, that's a tough question. I'm inclined to say everything... but I know that money should be made for the benefit of all of us, and I always thought that artwork is a good way to differentiate (keep closed) | 15:09 |
| qwazix | In a way however that makes it easy to replace (tangling thousands of icons and other closed bits in an otherwise open redistributable is always a pain for both the proprietor and the community) | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm bordering, personally, to that it might be better to have a common app story (qml components), middleware open and shared, and then let community work on their own ideas and app kinds, and for the 'closed' apps, make it extensible and take input on extension methods | 15:11 |
| qwazix | I think that the great mistake of nokia (and a point Google did right) was that maemo was unusable without the blobs, while android is usable, albeit with basic functionality | 15:13 |
| qwazix | Redistributability of closed apps, or simple alternatives could solve this. For example if someone ported sailfish to DeviceX would he be able to use for example the contacts app, or nemo's contacts app, so that he can actually use sailfish on his device. | 15:14 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:15 |
| qwazix | Google does both by the way... | 15:16 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7453 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7453 | 15:16 |
| qwazix | closed gmail app, redistributable (or anyway easily found) and basic "good-enough" mail app built in AOSP | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | reason why i'm asking is because i'd like to see so much more than just smartphones, and for once to have the community to be ahead | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | just providing software doesn't encourage creativity | 15:20 |
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| Stskeeps | giving the tools to go cool things, however.. | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, if you want to learn how a handset is built, sure, look at android.. but it gives much more to actually learn how to do one, not just see example | 15:21 |
| qwazix | sure, but it needs to be easy to start the fun part, and trying to untangle closed and open parts surely isn't. | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | that's why i insist on the layering, open mer core, open nemo mw (lipstick, components, etc) | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | i've been there myself before, untangling is a bitch | 15:25 |
| qwazix | The only thing that bothers me with this approach is the very high naming fragmentation which might hurt marketing (not final product marketing, but word of mouth community "marketing") We 've now got MeeGo, Mer, Nemo, Sailfish already | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | for me it's in order to both ensure survivability, and to optimize openness :P | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | no more crap because sailfish is making a release, as an example :P | 15:26 |
| qwazix | I'm talking about things as simple as a google search "Install Nemo on the Galaxy Whatever" | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:26 |
| qwazix | I can see triple threads on forums and such | 15:27 |
| qwazix | Otherwise the "data model" I think is perfect. | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | data model? | 15:27 |
| qwazix | Meaning this kind of seperation of layers | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yeah | 15:28 |
| qwazix | It makes it easier to choose | 15:28 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7453 Accepted promotion request | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | question is also if people want to continue on qt4 based stack, and instead help build on qt5 side | 15:29 |
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| qwazix | I want a core to build on -> mer, I want to build just a new ui for a watch -> nemo, etc | 15:29 |
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| qwazix | I really don't have a strong opinion on that as I haven't used Qt5 yet, don't know the pros/cons | 15:30 |
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| qwazix | (I am a little inclined to still prefer X over Wayland for philosophical reasons, but if I see the performance difference I might change my mind instantly :) | 15:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's just much saner to deal with.. and more device possibilities | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | i had qml compositor up on my touchpad earlier with shared memory buffers | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/12110020.jpg | 15:31 |
| qwazix | I'll leave the low-level guys to decide that, I may even be wrong in my assumptions. | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | by sometime after summer next year nobody's going to care about a qt4 handset stack, so that's also worth considering | 15:35 |
| qwazix | that depends on upgrade paths, and devices. I'd never consider we would still care about a clutter 0.8/GTK2.0 based stack in 2013 :) | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | naturally | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | i do want to put wayland on n950/n9 too at some point | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | n900 it's hopeless on, i've only ever gotten 37fps composition out of it | 15:38 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: that's a bit strange, don't you think? | 15:39 |
| qwazix | Shouldn't be faster than X? | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: well, i do admit my old wayland impl for it was hacky at best | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: and with some triple buffering you might get somewhere | 15:40 |
| qwazix | By the way, I was thinking that using artificial motion blur while very fast scrolling could make the performance bearable at much lower frame rates | 15:40 |
| w00t | what the jesus christ is going on with my internet today | 15:40 |
| anYc | yesterday there was another rumour on phoronix that there might be an oss powervr driver | 15:41 |
| qwazix | It would probably be nice eyecandy for decent performance too, makes motion look smoother. | 15:41 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: think your current approaches would work out there? | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: as in, use android gpu driver? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, maybe seeing it with fresh eye would help | 15:43 |
| w00t | mm, i meant the mechanism of sharing more specifically, as wasn't that the hacked up part? | 15:43 |
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| Sage | anyone here wanting to test run ssu instructions for updating nemo repos? | 15:52 |
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| khertan | Sage: which one ? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating ? via command line | 15:57 |
| khertan | ? | 15:57 |
| Sage | No, a bit newer instructions to make life a bit easier hopefully later. | 15:58 |
| Sage | It basically changes the existing nemo to use repositories in new obs | 15:59 |
| khertan | oh ... not tested yet so :) | 15:59 |
| Sage | NOTE: These instruction is only for testing purpose it doesn't get you any newer nemo installation or anything. http://piratepad.net/kJGfuaoUuO | 15:59 |
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| khertan | Sage: i 'm testing on n950 | 16:04 |
| Sage | khertan: thanks. let me know how it goes and if you get any errors etc. | 16:05 |
| Sage | comments in the pad is also ok if you face issues | 16:05 |
| khertan | Sage: first on error :) | 16:07 |
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| * khertan hope that mer/nemo and sailfish will spread fast on user device | 16:25 | |
| khertan | as i ll be able to really use QTextEdit | 16:25 |
| khertan | as it s not useable with old broken pyside release on harmattan ... | 16:26 |
| khertan | which is a package signed by aegis fuck that aegis shit ! | 16:26 |
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| quixote1 | Just tried nemo again on sdcard on my n900 (version: 20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-08.1). Last time was the August 5 version. | 22:37 |
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| quixote1 | Amazing, the amount of work you've done and how well most things work at this point. Well done! | 22:38 |
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| Ken-Young | Does nemo work better on an n900 than it does on an n950? | 22:39 |
| special | n950 is better. | 22:40 |
| special | n900 is a bit slow, mostly. | 22:40 |
| special | and most of us are developing on n950 or n9 | 22:40 |
| Ken-Young | special, Thanks, that's good to know. | 22:41 |
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