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| faenil | good evening :) | 00:15 |
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| faenil | anyone alive? | 00:15 |
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| yunta | yes | 02:10 |
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| iekku | morning | 03:22 |
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| romaxa | w00t: ping | 06:01 |
| * deztructor is deadly alive. morn | 06:01 | |
| romaxa | testing now http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950/ | 06:01 |
| romaxa | and everything is super slow, including desktop app menu scrolling... | 06:02 |
| deztructor | romaxa: i think w00t maybe is sleeping and appear 1-2hrs later | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | he's on a plane, don't get your hopes up | 06:02 |
| deztructor | romaxa: try to reboot device, btw, look into dmesg | 06:02 |
| romaxa | ok, it seems like helium was killing perf... | 06:09 |
| deztructor | romaxa: sometimes something wrong happens with pvr on boot and everything i slooow. only reboot helps in such cases | 06:10 |
| romaxa | deztructor: are you able to fix pvr issues? do you have harmattan video drivers sourceS? | 06:11 |
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| deztructor | romaxa: we have the same kernel as in harmattan. same issues with pvr was also on n900 when fremantle was released... at least i'll try to investigate if i meet it again. but can't promise anything because i know nothing about pvr fsm, registers and (most important) errata | 06:15 |
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| romaxa | deztructor: kernel is the same, but harmattan sgx drivers are not the same as on N9, N9 nokia image has "special" drivers with special features | 06:16 |
| romaxa | like lock extension | 06:17 |
| deztructor | romaxa: i assume they are closed ones? | 06:19 |
| romaxa | deztructor: they are all closed by default if I did not miss something | 06:20 |
| romaxa | deztructor: for example N900 does not have lock extension and without lock you are not able to render directly into texture memory | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | romaxa: the sgx drivers on nemo for n9 are similar-ish to the n9 harmattan ones | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | romaxa: there's a problem with usb that causes a massive slowdown | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493 | 06:22 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 493 in N950-N9 "General phantom device slowness" [Normal,New] | 06:22 |
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| deztructor | Stskeeps: but i am recalling there was also pvr issue, do not remember details... | 06:23 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, but that was a race condition | 06:26 |
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| deztructor | Stskeeps: is it was fixed? | 06:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah but maybe not in that image above | 06:31 |
| romaxa | Stskeeps: where do I get armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc compiler? | 06:35 |
| romaxa | Stskeeps: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Initialize_scratchbox2 - it mentioned here | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | romaxa: cross-armv7hl-gcc package | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | and cross-armv7hl-binutils | 06:36 |
| Stskeeps | in sdk | 06:36 |
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| romaxa | Stskeeps: hope it will work with alien | 06:38 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, we haven't exactly tried to build it for outside mer, but that's a task we'll do in future | 06:38 |
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| romaxa | Stskeeps: should I use nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1.tar.bz2 as devel SDK rootfs image? or there are some other development image available? | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, for now | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | we're working on a more specialized rootfs image | 06:58 |
| romaxa | Stskeeps: how to install devel packages into that rootfs? (me not familiar with zypper) | 06:58 |
| romaxa | Stskeeps: I guess I should specify some repo for zypper and after that install dev packages like qt-dev et.c into target | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | romaxa: the sdk-sb2 package lists how, it's pretty easy :) | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | sb2 -R -m sdk-install zypper install or something like that | 06:59 |
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| romaxa | sb2 -R zypper refresh: No configuration file exists or could be parsed. * Augeas exception. No config read, sticking with defaults. Cant open /var/run/zypp.pid in mode | 07:03 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, -m sdk-insatll matters | 07:03 |
| * Stskeeps needs more coffee | 07:03 | |
| romaxa | Stskeeps: probably I should install virtual image, because debian sb2 seems don't have required mappings | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we encourage people to use platform sdk as it contains all the things you need | 07:05 |
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| Sage_ | o/ | 07:30 |
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| Venemo_N9 | good morning Everyone! :) | 07:38 |
| cybette | Venemo_N9: good morning :) | 07:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | hey cybette! long time no see. how're you nowadays? :) | 07:42 |
| abustany | w00t: actually, the open space here is not *that* bad. I'd of course still prefer offices :) | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | morn Venemo_N9 | 07:44 |
| Venemo_N9 | moo Stskeeps :) | 07:44 |
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| cybette | Venemo_N9: good, busy, the usual :) Just had hackday + couple of performances over the weekend so still slightly exhausted & not quite awake right now :P | 07:52 |
| cybette | Venemo_N9: and you? | 07:52 |
| Venemo_N9 | cybette, I'm quite fine. a boring project will begin soon, so my usual enthusiasm is steadily diminishing | 07:55 |
| Venemo_N9 | cybette, but other than that, things are okay | 07:55 |
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| Venemo_N9 | anyway, ttyl | 08:12 |
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| w00t | deztructor: not sleeping, travelling ^^ | 09:31 |
| deztructor | w00t: already arrived? | 09:31 |
| w00t | yes | 09:31 |
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| Sage_ | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-05.2/images/ if anyone wants to help testing | 10:08 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ^ | 10:08 |
| Sage_ | I didn't try any of those yet so no idea about the functionality | 10:09 |
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| faenil | good morning! :) | 10:21 |
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| panjgoori | hello | 11:29 |
| panjgoori | anyone online ? | 11:30 |
| tadzik | yes | 11:30 |
| panjgoori | hi. im having a problem with nemo latest image (0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1). | 11:31 |
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| panjgoori | whenever i try to boot into it, it gives me a error. | 11:31 |
| panjgoori | im using a N900 | 11:31 |
| tadzik | what kind of error? | 11:32 |
| panjgoori | this: Wrong image format for bootm command | 11:32 |
| panjgoori | and this: Error: can't get kernle image! | 11:32 |
| panjgoori | *kernal | 11:33 |
| Sage_ | panjgoori: your dd to the sd card went badly I think | 11:36 |
| panjgoori | dd ? | 11:37 |
| panjgoori | im using windows so i followed instructions as written in Nemo wiki | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | panjgoori: did you unpack the image? | 11:37 |
| panjgoori | @stskeeps: yes.] | 11:38 |
| panjgoori | and one more thing im using standard u-boot not Pali's one | 11:38 |
| panjgoori | I extracted it using Winrar and then changed its extension to img as written in wiki and then wrote it to wiki by using win32diskimager | 11:39 |
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| panjgoori | sorry wrote it to *sd | 11:42 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 11:44 |
| phaeron | Venemo_N9: heyt | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | lo Venemo_N9 | 11:45 |
| phaeron | -t | 11:45 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, ping | 11:48 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9: yo | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, you asked me to ping you about irc-chatter | 11:49 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9: yeah ;) link= | 11:49 |
| faenil | ? | 11:49 |
| panjgoori | any solution for my problem ? | 11:51 |
| Venemo_N9 | http://venemo.fedorapeople.org/harmattan | 11:51 |
| Venemo_N9 | panjgoori, what's the problem? | 11:51 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9: do you want me to test it on Harm or Nemo? | 11:52 |
| faenil | oh just seen it's harm package | 11:52 |
| faenil | nvm | 11:52 |
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| Venemo_N9 | faenil, I don't have a nemo package but you can of course build for nemo if you want to | 11:53 |
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| Sage_ | so hows everything here? | 12:15 |
| Sage_ | 2 weeks more or less gone and it seems that one day isn't enough for syncing everything that has happened :P | 12:15 |
| Sage_ | so much activity there, which is very nice. | 12:16 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: I tried to keep things working :D | 12:24 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: you did very nice job in that. Just as I suspected :) | 12:24 |
| M4rtinK | updating Nemo on my N900 right now :) | 12:25 |
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| phaeron | there was some breakage when I finally made the switch to user sessions , but hopefully it is working now | 12:26 |
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| Sage_ | image builds seem ok at least some patterns/packages need updating for new package names but otherwise seemed ok | 12:33 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: yeah I didn't go through to the release process , but worked on issues of everyone who upgraded | 13:06 |
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| * w00t whips Sage_ | 13:10 | |
| w00t | sync faster | 13:10 |
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| faenil | Sage_: welcome back! | 13:18 |
| faenil | it's been a long time! | 13:18 |
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| Sage_ | faenil: yes it has been a while. Trying to get back to the vagon here :) | 13:24 |
| faenil | Sage_: great :) | 13:25 |
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| Sage_ | main blocker is the huge amount of mails :P | 13:25 |
| rcg-work | Sage_, quick solution: "mark all read" | 13:25 |
| rcg-work | :D | 13:25 |
| faenil | Sage_: I can imagine! :D | 13:26 |
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| rcg-work | also wb Sage_ :D | 13:33 |
| rcg-work | hope you enjoyed your vacation :) | 13:33 |
| rcg-work | even without internet ;P | 13:33 |
| faenil | rcg-work: that's why he enjoyed it :) | 13:35 |
| Sage_ | yes, vacation was nice. Now I can rest a bit while working ;) | 13:35 |
| rcg-work | :D | 13:36 |
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| M4rtinK | Nemo update on N900 resulted with black screen on reboot :) | 14:33 |
| M4rtinK | I cans till ssh but nothing is shown on screen | 14:35 |
| M4rtinK | dmesg is full of applauncherd stacktraces & Xorg log is full of error | 14:36 |
| M4rtinK | should I try to resurrect it or probably just flash a new image ? BTW, anyone interested in the logs ? :) | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | help sage test http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-05.2/ | 14:47 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: ok :) | 14:49 |
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| Sage_ | ok, so sleeping hour so that headache goes away doesn't help as after you get back up the headache comes back :/ | 16:36 |
| * Sage_ thinks his head is still on vacation mode | 16:36 | |
| faenil | Sage_: poor boy :) | 16:41 |
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| iekku | vac..? what? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: probably like that mythical weekend we're hearing about | 16:52 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, might be! | 16:52 |
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| rcg-work | wee-what? | 16:59 |
| rcg-work | argh, shoulda have read one more line up before writing xD | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | qwazix: ever done any work on tablet-ish designs, out of curiousity? | 17:09 |
| qwazix | Stskeeps, not much specifically for tablets, no, but i don't think it' so much different from mobile and desktop in the sense that I can't do it | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 17:13 |
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| * Stskeeps waits to board his flight to .fi | 17:15 | |
| qwazix | what do you have in mind? | 17:15 |
| Venemo | hey everyone | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | evening Venemo | 17:15 |
| Venemo | evening Stskeeps | 17:15 |
| Venemo | hey qwazix :) | 17:15 |
| qwazix | hi Venemo, | 17:15 |
| Venemo | how're you? | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: just generally pondering, we had some breakthrough on really using android device adaptations today, so checking what could be initiated | 17:15 |
| qwazix | Venemo, fine, resting after a busy day at work, you? | 17:16 |
| Venemo | qwazix, me too. | 17:16 |
| Venemo | also, I'm making progress in the MongoDB online course | 17:16 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, really? what's new about it? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: openwebos guys got offscreen rendering working with us having control of the gpu buffers | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | free to share, etc | 17:17 |
| qwazix | Stskeeps, wow! that's cool. I'm expecting to get a Nexus 7 next week (rumor has it it will be at last available to buy here) and first thing I'm gonna do is try booting nemo with the things canonical has done | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: with libhybris | 17:18 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, nice, nice | 17:18 |
| * Stskeeps glares | 17:18 | |
| Venemo | qwazix, for the Nexus 7, not even libhybris is needed. | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | just saw a boy run back into a plane's gate without the entry people even remotely reacting | 17:18 |
| Venemo | lol | 17:18 |
| qwazix | Venemo, I know, that's why I'm drooling over it. But I can't find one to buy grr. | 17:18 |
| Venemo | qwazix, isn't it sold in your area? | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'm willing to bet that even ubuntu will hit the nasty issue of power management.. | 17:19 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, what do you mean? | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | though i'm unsure how good nvidia's adaptation is in that area | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | .. kiddo lost his ipad | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | (...) | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: as in there will be some factor that'll likely require them to be using the android adaptation for full usage of the device | 17:20 |
| qwazix | Venemo, no, and after that ubuntu announcement the few hilariously overpriced ones in some online stores disappeard in hours. I'm thinking of ebay as a last resort, but rumour has it it will come officially in the 12th so I'm waiting | 17:20 |
| Venemo | I see | 17:20 |
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| Venemo | well, it's sold here. but somehow, the price is approx. doubled by the time it got here... | 17:21 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, according to some people, nvidia's hw adaptation is quite okay. | 17:22 |
| qwazix | Is the intel tablet UX source available? I find lots of articles announcing the opening of the code but I can't find the source anywhere. | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: it is, but correct PM is a beast :P | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: it is but artwork is badly licensed | 17:23 |
| Venemo | qwazix, afaik this was it: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-ux | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: so you'd have to remake the entire artwork | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | also, it has it's own set of components, not all meego compatible | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i'll let that irony set in) | 17:23 |
| Venemo | qwazix, but it's so dead now that it'd be better to just start over from scratch. shouldn't be hard with what we have now anyway | 17:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, lipstick solves a hell lot of problems | 17:24 |
| qwazix | True but that one had some pretty good ideas we can copy | 17:24 |
| Venemo | yeah | 17:24 |
| Venemo | indeed :) | 17:25 |
| qwazix | and IIRC some apps we could use (mail, calendar) | 17:25 |
| Venemo | hm | 17:25 |
| special | I don't know that you'd want to | 17:25 |
| Venemo | not sure how complete they was + they'd look out of place on Nemo | 17:26 |
| special | I was not very impressed with what I saw, and as Stskeeps said, they don't use meego components at all. | 17:26 |
| special | we have some backend for email at https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugins/tree/master/email | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | that said, they did show that it's entirely possible to get a sane ui up in little time | 17:26 |
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| Stskeeps | with not so skilled developers | 17:26 |
| Venemo | special, is there also an open source email client on top of that? | 17:28 |
| special | Venemo: I don't think there's a UI for it yet. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there qmlmail? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | or whatever w00t was toying with | 17:28 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 17:28 |
| special | https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmail "a month ago" | 17:28 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, btw, some interesting reading here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7 | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | have to board plane, talk to you guys later | 17:29 |
| Venemo | fly well! | 17:29 |
| qwazix | hahaha found an old video I made with the tablet UX and some astroturfer thought he should mention it's laggy and to put win8 on it... | 17:29 |
| qwazix | Stskeeps, have a nice flight | 17:29 |
| Venemo | qwazix, do you prefer gtalk or private messages on irc? | 17:34 |
| faenil | have a nice flight Stskeeps! | 17:34 |
| qwazix | Venemo, I'm okay with both | 17:34 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: If you have more details on those PM issues, I would like to hear about them :) | 18:16 |
| kulve | I think the PM should be in a quite good state. | 18:17 |
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| w00t | yes, there's qmlmail | 18:43 |
| w00t | the missing piece is accounts UI to configure it, but there's some work on github ongoing on that too i think | 18:44 |
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| Venemo | w00t, does it support exchange? | 18:46 |
| Venemo | kulve, on Tegra, you mean? | 18:47 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: looks like the 20111101 image is working fine on my N900 | 18:47 |
| w00t | Venemo: if someone writes a nonencumbered exchange QMF plugin, it would | 18:47 |
| Venemo | w00t, QMF=? | 18:47 |
| M4rtinK | only got some glitches with the lockscreen image blocking part of the launcher in portrait | 18:48 |
| M4rtinK | if the device is unlocked in landscape and then rotated to portrait | 18:48 |
| Venemo | yes, known bug | 18:48 |
| M4rtinK | also the lock slider seems no to work from time to time | 18:49 |
| w00t | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2009/09/21/introducing-qmf-an-advanced-mobile-messaging-framework/ | 18:50 |
| Venemo | ah. | 18:51 |
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| * w00t yawns | 18:59 | |
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| * Venemo is too tired to even yawn | 19:12 | |
| M4rtinK | also the virtual keyboard in xterm stays on even if the N900 keyboard is open | 19:14 |
| M4rtinK | and panning the output doesn't work | 19:15 |
| M4rtinK | and the virtual keyboard has no terminal toolbar but reacts to swiping that should switch between toolbars | 19:16 |
| M4rtinK | and in the connection settings, the top bar in the page is partially blocked by the global status bar | 19:18 |
| w00t | please file bugs to bugzilla (and even better, submit patches to go with them :-p) | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | I'm just floating it here first to see if some of it is already known :) | 19:18 |
| w00t | I can tell you where to look for closing vkb when opening the keyboard, if you're interested into looking into that | 19:18 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK, please file one bug report per bug | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | ok | 19:18 |
| Venemo | just sayin because it's pretty annoying when someone puts 1-2 bugs + 2-3 feature requests into the same bug report | 19:18 |
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| M4rtinK | it shares credentials with the wiki - nice ! :) | 19:32 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: more along lines that a given device will have it's best and matching PM implementation with wakelocks and android style power management, but i'm doing guesswork here at PM implementation's priorities | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | and it's typical that the gles implementations for normal linux don't use those.. | 19:40 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, is there a way to query the dpi in runtime? | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | if i'm not right, i'm happy to accept defeat :P | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: sometimes the display chips know | 19:40 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, please explain to me the difference between the two pm styles? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: nokia style is (from what i recall) more about granular shutdown of components, letting the kernel decide what's best, etc | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | whereas android pm is very broad, ie, display off may take a bunch along, no in between states of suspend | 19:44 |
| Venemo | ah | 19:44 |
| Venemo | so nokia is who does the right thing then | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | the verdict seems to be that nokia's dead from knockout and it's more an academic argument now | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:45 |
| Venemo | their style of power management still sounds superior | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | there was quite good results from nokia pm but it was also slightly harder to do | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | which doesn't help time to market and chipset availability | 19:46 |
| Venemo | mhm | 19:46 |
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| Venemo | interestingly, I didn't hear any news about nexus 7 battery life with ubuntu, even though I googled for it | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | that's always an interesting statistic | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | i've given up personally and my future stacks will use wakelocks instead | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | and see what we can do to make it bearable anyway | 19:47 |
| Venemo | hm | 19:47 |
| Venemo | so wakelock means... apps shut down when I lock the screen? | 19:47 |
| Venemo | or what? | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | it depends really, but even in suspend to ram, you can wake up once in a while | 19:48 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: well, hopefully we'll see soon. | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: yup, didn't mean to offend btw | 19:48 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: I understand your point well | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | kulve, btw, i forget, were you helsinki based? | 19:49 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: yes | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | so what about for example SSH ? | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | if the daemon has no wakelock | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah, i'm here until friday morning | 19:49 |
| Venemo | kulve, what are you working on btw? | 19:49 |
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| kulve | I think in general there has to be a way for wifi chip to wake up the cpu, when there's data from the wlan | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: you can wake up on events | 19:50 |
| ajalkane | I sure hope the power saving benefits of wakelock approach in that case are more than academic interest in that case... | 19:50 |
| kulve | Venemo: I'm trying to get mer/nemo working on a tegra | 19:50 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, that should handle this case | 19:50 |
| Venemo | kulve, I think vgrade used to deal with that | 19:50 |
| kulve | Venemo: yeah, tegra2 based. I've packaged the latest tegra3 release | 19:51 |
| * Stskeeps needs to ask collegaues to explain wakelocks better to him.. | 19:51 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, does jolla device also use wake locks? | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | so lets have an app that eats 100% CPU bud doesn't have wakelock - the system will prevent it from draining power if the device is locked ? | 19:52 |
| Venemo | kulve, ahh. are you working on nexus 7 adaptation too? | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: can't answer that, sorry | 19:52 |
| kulve | Venemo: I hoping to. Currently I'm using a reference board | 19:52 |
| Venemo | kulve, is ubuntu's adaptation any help to you? | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: need to be able to discuss system trends, i muck about with a lot of experiments which may or may not me work related :) | 19:53 |
| kulve | Venemo: not really. The nvidia's release seem to have everything needed | 19:53 |
| Venemo | kulve, for the reference board, ok, but how about nexus 7 specific drivers and stuff? | 19:53 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, okay :) | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, linux for tegra is one of the better ones around | 19:54 |
| kulve | Venemo: I think the tegra based binaries are the same. The difference is in the bootloaders/kernel and pheripherals | 19:54 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, jolla seems to be a bunch which strives to do things the right way, so I'd expect nokia style from them | 19:54 |
| kulve | Venemo: and now that you mentioned it. I could start by taking the ubuntu's kernel for nexus 7 and not the google's.. | 19:54 |
| Venemo | kulve, yes, that's what I mean | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: as a general thing, there's the right way and then there's the commercially feasible way.. | 19:55 |
| ajalkane | But anyway, as much as I dislike wakelocks vs. what Nokia did with the kernel, it also reminds me of many other tech problems like Ethernet vs. Token Ring etc... meaning ofthen simplicity is the winning approach in the long run | 19:55 |
| kulve | ubuntu seemed to have most of the pheripherals working, so it should be possible to get them working in mer as well. BT/GPS, orientation sensors, etc | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: that said, wakelocks aren't as general as i make it seem | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | if done right, they can be ok | 19:56 |
| kulve | android doesn't support running multiple apps as well as e.g. meego did. That makes saving power much easier | 19:56 |
| Venemo | kulve, BT and some other stuff isn't working yet with ubuntu afaik, but most of the hw works | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | it's all about policy | 19:56 |
| kulve | Venemo: BT is working on the driver level. Just the ubuntu support is missing. And that would be different in mer anyway | 19:56 |
| Venemo | kulve, true | 19:57 |
| Venemo | kulve, all right then, I'm crossing my fingers for you | 19:57 |
| M4rtinK | btw are wakelocks already in mainline ? | 19:57 |
| kulve | Venemo: the tricky part is the 3d/video rendering and that's already working | 19:57 |
| Venemo | kulve, awesome | 19:58 |
| kulve | I quite confident that the nexus 7 could be a really nice board for mer/nemo. Now the nemo just needs some good looking simple qml apps for the main use cases :) | 19:58 |
| Venemo | kulve, yeah, we're also working on the home screen :) and the apps | 19:58 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: btw, what's the status of multitouch support nowadays in X.Org/Qt? | 19:58 |
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| rcg | kulve, do you know if they managed to get 3d hw-accel and suspend play nicely together? | 19:59 |
| w00t | kulve: upstream, or in mer? | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | kulve, qt is custom patched for us to work ok with xinput2 | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | though w00t'd know | 19:59 |
| kulve | w00t: well, both. Maybe mer is more interesting for me now | 20:00 |
| kulve | rcg: does nemo suspend in any situation? | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | kulve, we have fine mt on exopc, n9 and seen on random android devs too | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | so :P | 20:00 |
| rcg | kulve, nemo doesn't but plasma active does | 20:01 |
| Venemo | Mer's X11+Qt works with multitouch | 20:01 |
| Venemo | even on Nemo | 20:01 |
| w00t | kulve: Qt 4 has no X11 MT upstream, we have a custom patch which uses XI2.0 events and provides multiple touchpoints | 20:01 |
| rcg | and considering that a tablet usually draws more power and thus has less run time on battery, imho, a tablet should be able to suspend | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | kulve, you may need to match it in mtev xorg conf | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | the ts | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | and it might work oob | 20:02 |
| kulve | I guess nexus 7 would be nice device for plasma active as well? Is there a maintained stuff for mer/plasma active? | 20:02 |
| w00t | I think Qt 5 has XI2 MT support upstream, but I haven't checked recently | 20:02 |
| rcg | kulve, "maintained stuff"? | 20:02 |
| rcg | there is pretty much active development on plasma active, if that's what you mean | 20:02 |
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| Venemo | there is pretty much active development on plasma active, but its pretty crappy still. | 20:03 |
| kulve | rcg: I guess I meant the working up-to-date kickstart files etc | 20:03 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I've seen Fedora running on exopc with Gnome Shell yesterday :) | 20:03 |
| rcg | kulve, the basyskom images for archos g9 are built weekly from .ks | 20:03 |
| rcg | Venemo, but it really improved a lot in the meantime | 20:04 |
| kulve | rcg: I think last time I checked I could find just some already obsoleted files. I'll try again at some point | 20:04 |
| rcg | i still wouldn't consider it usable for an end user but there's lots of progress imho | 20:04 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: does the mtev expect something special from kernel's evdev interface? I think I'm now using the Xorg's evdev driver and not the mtev.. | 20:04 |
| Venemo | rcg, it's been some time since I last checked. for a while I tried it regularly (while I still had an S10-3t) but stopped caring after it didn't get any better | 20:05 |
| kulve | rcg: well, none of the mer stuff is usable for end user :) | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: give it a shot and it'll prolly work | 20:05 |
| rcg | kulve, i built a plasma active image via the mer sdk about two weeks ago | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | xorg-x11-drv-mtev | 20:05 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: and is there something to test the multitouch? E.g. does the browser support pinch zoom? :) | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | it might | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | or gallery | 20:05 |
| Venemo | kulve, just launch Puzzle Master | 20:06 |
| rcg | Venemo, i actually carry around a g9 with plasma active on a daily basis now.. and for email and a little browsing it is quite good | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | homescreen used to but now we use lipstick | 20:06 |
| rcg | even 3g works :) | 20:06 |
| Venemo | rcg, really? that sounds nicer. | 20:06 |
| Venemo | kulve, if you can rotate the puzzle pieces with multitouch, then it works | 20:06 |
| kulve | rcg: I'll try to do some testing when I get the basic stuff working on a nexus 7.. (might take couple of weeks). I'll bother you with more questions then :) | 20:06 |
| rcg | Venemo, iirc you read my blog post about nemo apps on plasma active? | 20:07 |
| Venemo | rcg, I did, yes | 20:07 |
| kulve | Venemo: actually, when I last tried it, I couldn't move them at all. Just the OK/Quit/etc buttons reacted to touch.. | 20:07 |
| Venemo | kulve, then something was not okay with touch events there | 20:07 |
| rcg | Venemo, right, then you see that also nemo apps run fairly well, like twimgo or kasvopus | 20:07 |
| rcg | kulve, http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/deployment/archos-gen9/tablet/mer/testing/ | 20:07 |
| kulve | Venemo: maybe it assumes the mtev driver and not the evdev..? | 20:07 |
| kulve | rcg: excellent, thanks | 20:08 |
| rcg | there you get the latest stuff.. including .ks | 20:08 |
| Venemo | kulve, it just uses what Qt uses. the app doesn't assume anything by itself | 20:08 |
| rcg | yw :) | 20:08 |
| kulve | Venemo: I'll try that too again later | 20:08 |
| rcg | btw. Venemo do you have a build of the latest irc chatter somewhere on obs? | 20:09 |
| kulve | I just need to get my hands on one n7.. | 20:09 |
| Venemo | rcg, I still haven't a clue about how to use obs :( | 20:09 |
| kulve | if somebody does something with the n7/mer, let me know :) | 20:09 |
| Venemo | but I have a harmattan package | 20:09 |
| Venemo | nah, I haven't been able to invest in a nexus 7 yet | 20:10 |
| rcg | Venemo, do you have a link to the sources? might try to update the package in obs then | 20:10 |
| Venemo | sure | 20:10 |
| Venemo | rcg, https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter | 20:10 |
| Venemo | rcg, note that it uses submodules | 20:10 |
| Venemo | you will have to pull those too, or use --recursive when cloning | 20:11 |
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| rcg | Venemo, i see, thanks for the heads up :) | 20:12 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: you picked a nice weather to visit here.. :) | 20:14 |
| Venemo | rcg, also, there've been some bugs fixed in master since the last tagged release, but for stability reasons, it's best to use the latest tagged release | 20:14 |
| rcg | Venemo, i see | 20:15 |
| rcg | if i just download the tarball are the submodules included there? | 20:15 |
| Venemo | I dunno | 20:15 |
| Venemo | just git clone --recursive, then git checkout | 20:16 |
| rcg | alright, i'll give it a try | 20:16 |
| Venemo | thank you | 20:16 |
| Venemo | if you find any bugs, let me know :) | 20:16 |
| rcg | well, thank me if i get a package done :) | 20:17 |
| rcg | sometimes it's very much straight forward and sometimes i struggle over the smallest things ;) | 20:18 |
| Venemo | rcg, oh, also, you may be able to reuse the spec file from the previous package in obs | 20:18 |
| rcg | Venemo, that's what i'm trying to do | 20:18 |
| Venemo | ok | 20:18 |
| Venemo | I'll just shut up | 20:18 |
| Venemo | :P | 20:18 |
| rcg | already cloned it to a private project and checking it out | 20:18 |
| rcg | ;) | 20:18 |
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| Venemo | :) | 20:20 |
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| Venemo | anyway, bbl | 20:22 |
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| rcg | well, for the record, the tarball does not seem to include the submodules | 20:28 |
| M4rtinK | bugs filled :) | 20:31 |
| rcg | alright, the build succeeded :) | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | is it possible that rsync is not in the default repositories ? | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | oh, its in Mer:Tools | 20:37 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7296 Rejected promotion request | 20:47 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7297 Rejected promotion request | 20:51 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7298 Rejected promotion request | 20:57 |
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| rcg | man am i blind... missing the year | 21:00 |
| rcg | been checking the thing all the time and didn't notice the year is missing xD | 21:01 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7299 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7299 | 21:09 |
| rcg | finally ;) | 21:10 |
| phaeron | good job :) | 21:10 |
| w00t | \o/ | 21:11 |
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| phaeron | Venemo: why is it not possible to close server messages tab anymore | 21:18 |
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| M4rtinK | got modRana running on Nemo: http://imgur.com/a/dPubo :) | 21:20 |
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| Sage_ | rcg: does that version fix any bugs? If it does would be good to mention those in .changes file | 21:32 |
| Venemo | phaeron, it was a bug to be able to close it in the first place | 21:33 |
| rcg | Sage_, uhm, to be honest, i don't know, i had an issue with it on plasma active but that's not documented as a bug | 21:34 |
| phaeron | Venemo: it's annoying , it should be possible to close the server messages tab | 21:34 |
| Venemo | phaeron, closing it resulted in buggy behaviour | 21:34 |
| rcg | Venemo, does irc-chatter solve any bugs filled in mer/nemo bugzilla? | 21:34 |
| Venemo | rcg, yes, I marked the relevant ones as fixed | 21:34 |
| rcg | great :) | 21:34 |
| rcg | Sage_, should we mention these in the changes file? | 21:35 |
| phaeron | Venemo: :/ | 21:35 |
| Venemo | phaeron, firstly, there were some implementation bugs with closing it | 21:35 |
| Venemo | phaeron, and also, in other IRC clients, closing the server tab means disconnecting from the server | 21:35 |
| Venemo | phaeron, so the past behaviour of irc-chatter was kinda inconsistent for someone accustomed to any other client | 21:36 |
| phaeron | not true in , in pidgin you close it fine without disconnecting. The server name is also quite long and takes up most of the side bar space | 21:36 |
| phaeron | so if I connect to a couple of servers all channel names are off the screen | 21:36 |
| Venemo | phaeron, all right :) | 21:36 |
| phaeron | and I have to scroll | 21:36 |
| phaeron | :( | 21:37 |
| Venemo | phaeron, maybe there could be a setting to show/hide them? | 21:37 |
| phaeron | that would be great as they are of no real value :) | 21:37 |
| Venemo | well | 21:37 |
| Venemo | if you connect to a server without autojoining any channels | 21:37 |
| Venemo | where would you write your first /join otherwise? | 21:37 |
| phaeron | mmmk , hide on first channel join | 21:38 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:38 |
| phaeron | so autojoin can follow same behavior too | 21:38 |
| Venemo | would such a toggleable setting suffice for you? | 21:38 |
| Venemo | "hide server tab after 1st join" | 21:38 |
| phaeron | well I use irc-chatter heavily and it was the first thing I noticed in this new version ;) | 21:39 |
| Venemo | :) | 21:39 |
| phaeron | not sure about others but it would be quite useful | 21:39 |
| Venemo | all right | 21:40 |
| phaeron | Thanks :) | 21:40 |
| Venemo | added it to the top of my todo list | 21:40 |
| Venemo | btw, if the server tab is hidden, how do you distinguish between multiple servers? | 21:40 |
| Venemo | there should be a separator between them | 21:40 |
| Venemo | also, in the old versions if you closed the server tab, there was no way to bring it back, ever | 21:41 |
| phaeron | I know what channels are on what server. eitherway what matters is channel name | 21:41 |
| phaeron | I assume it would come back if server sent message | 21:42 |
| Venemo | hm | 21:42 |
| Venemo | maybe it would | 21:42 |
| phaeron | but I have no use for it so I don't want it to stick around :) | 21:42 |
| Venemo | true, it can clutter up the UI | 21:42 |
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| Venemo | phaeron, thanks for bringing this to my attention, I admit that I didn't give much thought to it, I just wanted to fix the inconsistent behaviour | 21:44 |
| phaeron | I heard you talking about reconnecting behavior, but I haven't tested that yet. It was annoying when connection drops and irc-chatter blocked view of the channels with the "reconnecting" dialog | 21:44 |
| Venemo | yep | 21:44 |
| Venemo | also, if it failed to reconnect, there was no way of telling whether you're connected or not | 21:44 |
| phaeron | Venemo: no problem , happy to bring user perspective to the table :) | 21:44 |
| phaeron | yes that too | 21:45 |
| Venemo | right now it still blocks the channel view, but it's less annoying and you can tell on a per-channel basis whether you're connected or not | 21:45 |
| Venemo | phaeron, if you can give some testing to this feature, I'd be happy to hear your opinion about it | 21:46 |
| phaeron | ok will do now | 21:46 |
| Venemo | oh | 21:46 |
| Venemo | the released version has a slight bug. when you disconnect your connection it'll say "connecting" even though it's not doing anything. this is fixed in master and it just says "not connected" | 21:47 |
| Venemo | also, it is unfortunately no longer able to pop up the connection dialog... :( there was some bug with QNetworkSession which screwed up the reconnection, so I decided to throw it out | 21:48 |
| Venemo | it's better to have something that works | 21:49 |
| phaeron | right now disconnected the network and it greyed out the channels "You are diconnected from this IRC server. Please establish a network connection to reconnect .." | 21:49 |
| Venemo | if the app attempted to connect after the QNetworkSession was connected, it got a SocketAccessError | 21:49 |
| phaeron | and the text field is disconnected | 21:49 |
| phaeron | and disabled | 21:50 |
| Venemo | phaeron, yep, that's a different message, that's OK | 21:50 |
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| phaeron | this is better than before | 21:50 |
| phaeron | thought I would appreciate if it is still possible to scroll and read the channels | 21:50 |
| Venemo | phaeron, do you think the text should be scrollable while it's disconnected? | 21:50 |
| Venemo | ah | 21:50 |
| phaeron | :D | 21:50 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:50 |
| phaeron | very useful when I connect briefly to get buffered backlog from an IRC bouncer and want to read it later | 21:51 |
| Venemo | should I remove the grayout and the message and the busyindicator? | 21:51 |
| phaeron | so not causing the platform connection dialog to repeatedly popup is much better | 21:51 |
| Venemo | or just present them in a better manner maybe | 21:52 |
| phaeron | IMHO it should just check if there is connection , and if there is connect , otherwise stay out of the way. Maybe a red banner at the top saying disconnected. Trying in 60 .. 59 .. seconds | 21:53 |
| phaeron | or something like that | 21:53 |
| phaeron | and disabled text field is great | 21:53 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:53 |
| phaeron | so I don't chat with /dev/null | 21:53 |
| Venemo | yup | 21:53 |
| Venemo | that was very annoying | 21:53 |
| Venemo | also, how do you like the new start screen? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: /dev/null.. is that one of our new guys? | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 21:53 |
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| Venemo | lol Stskeeps | 21:54 |
| phaeron | :D | 21:54 |
| phaeron | Venemo: quite pretty :D | 21:54 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 21:54 |
| Venemo | phaeron, it received a little facelift. it also has a nicer ui when no servers are set up yet | 21:55 |
| phaeron | yes good job there, no complaints :) | 21:55 |
| Venemo | phaeron, and I've removed the "Connecting, please wait..." page entirely, since it didn't make any sense anyway | 21:55 |
| phaeron | now it is Inline in the chat view , right ? | 21:56 |
| Venemo | connection status is now handled in a per-server basis and displayed on a per-channel basis | 21:56 |
| phaeron | yes I noticed thattoo | 21:56 |
| w00t | is it in nemo yet? | 21:56 |
| phaeron | older version in nemo , we are discussing the new SR above | 21:56 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:56 |
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| Venemo | phaeron, are you testing on Nemo or on Harmattan? | 21:58 |
| phaeron | nemo | 21:59 |
| phaeron | though I will upgrade the one on my other device too | 21:59 |
| phaeron | harmattan | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | looks like I have a working GTK build for Nemo: http://imgur.com/a/5bjkg :D | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | that's modRana with the GTK UI running on Nemo without issues :) | 22:00 |
| phaeron | nice :) | 22:01 |
| phaeron | though a QT ui would fit better | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | I have that too (http://imgur.com/a/dPubo) :) | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | not that full featured as the GTK GUI the the moment though | 22:03 |
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| Venemo | phaeron, hm. if you switch between different network connections, the behaviour is still odd | 22:05 |
| Venemo | phaeron, when I switch to 3G from wifi, it doesn't appear to be disconnected, but the messages are sent to /dev/null | 22:06 |
| Venemo | phaeron, after that when I switch back to wifi, seems that the socket is still open | 22:06 |
| Venemo | how is that even possible??? | 22:06 |
| phaeron | I only have wifi on the nemo device | 22:06 |
| Venemo | I mean, how can the socket remain open? | 22:07 |
| phaeron | doesn't timeout maybe .. | 22:09 |
| Venemo | when changing connections, would it be the right thing to disconnect and reconnect then? | 22:10 |
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| phaeron | not sure .. I guess for TCP connections if the source address changes you need to reestablish the connection | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: unlike windows, linux doesn't terminate connections on link down | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | you can set that as a sysctl though | 22:13 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, but how can the socket be open if there is no connection? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: tcp works in mysterious ways | 22:14 |
| Venemo | srsly, this area of Qt is very crappy | 22:15 |
| Venemo | I'm now trying to listen to QNetworkConfigurationManager::configurationChanged | 22:16 |
| Venemo | the flags which the returned object has are non-documented | 22:16 |
| Venemo | how awful is that | 22:16 |
| Venemo | or maybe I'm doing it wrong? | 22:16 |
| Venemo | QFlags(0x2|0x4|0x8) - 0x4 and 0x8 are not documented | 22:17 |
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| alien_ | Venemo: looks like the connection is kept alive just in case your link was just temporarily down and it might recover itself...which IMHO is a nice to have feature | 22:25 |
| Venemo | alien_, yeah, nice | 22:26 |
| alien_ | I don't know how this is impacting battery life when on mobile... | 22:26 |
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| faenil | -.- just discovered I've been offline for the last 2 hours because webchat disconnected without warning me | 23:30 |
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| wmarone_ | xchat! | 23:32 |
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| Venemo | faenil, use IRC Chatter | 23:33 |
| faenil | Venemo: yeah ;) | 23:34 |
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| faenil | special: :P | 23:39 |
| Venemo | dafuq | 23:39 |
| Venemo | I've been doing this whole thing wrong | 23:39 |
| rcg | night | 23:41 |
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