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w00tanyone want to try new Qt Mobility and tell me if it breaks horribly?07:30
rantomMorning07:32
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Sageanyone want to try to debug new -next image if I give .ks file? :)08:16
Sageon N900 that is08:16
w00tSage: still got problems with systemd?08:17
alteregoSage: give me the .ks08:17
Sagegot it fixed so this one should work. Just would like to know if someone can find something that is really wrong.08:17
alteregoI'll have a go, been a while since I've messed with N90008:17
SageI'll boot test the image before once and then give it to you alterego  :)08:18
alteregoAh'kay08:18
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Sagehttp://pastie.org/4341386 <- .ks file for N900 that builds image from mer-next08:35
Sagealterego: ^08:36
alteregoOkay, generating image now.08:38
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Sagew00t: while you are looking the battery stuff, I noted again old bug where sysuid consumes constantly ~8% cpu when charging08:38
w00tintriguing, is it filed?08:38
Sageyes https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15408:39
w00t6% for updating an icon doesn't sound right08:39
Sageyes08:40
w00tthis should only be happening every X ms, at the least08:40
w00t(X being like, 500)08:40
alteregolbt_away: wiki is slooooow again :/08:40
w00tI CC'd08:40
w00tI might find time to look at it this weekend, we'll see08:40
Sagealso sysuid consumes a lot of memory08:42
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Sagehttp://pastie.org/434140608:43
w00tthose measurements really aren't that useful08:43
w00tfree -m without it started, and then with it started is more accurate08:43
w00t(memory usage measurement is way hard)08:43
Sagew00t: http://pastie.org/4341416 still feels a lot08:45
w00t10mb isn't so bad08:45
w00twell, 11mb08:45
lbt_awayalterego: not slow here08:46
alteregoHrm08:48
alteregon900-next image almost built ..08:48
* alterego flashes new image.08:55
w00tdoes it work? \o/08:58
alteregoAbout to boot08:59
alteregohopefully it still has some charge ..08:59
alteregoWors fine :)09:01
alteregoDo you want me to dig deeper?09:01
alteregosystemui seems to be saying all the right things.09:01
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alteregoJan 18 20:28:20 localhost.localdomain timed[365]: ERROR: can't start system change notification: Invalid argument09:05
alteregoThat looks semi important.09:05
alteregobme had a hissy fit on start too.09:06
alteregoohmd segfault'd09:07
alteregoLooks like dbus took a while to start :/09:07
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Sagealterego: so it works :)10:53
Sagenow if I only can get n950 and x86 livecd then Nemo is ready for Mer next ;)10:53
SageAlso need to try to do upgrade from old version to new one to see that nothing breaks during that10:54
SageI'm mainly worried with the udev soname change if things can handle that somewhat ok or not.10:55
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rhkfinInstalled latest nemo image on virtualbox. Starting terminal brings me black screen. I can lock it by sending ctrl+alt+del and close by writing exit (which I don't see). Any ideas what needs to be done to see the terminal texts..11:15
rhkfinDidn't install yet, running from image.11:16
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Sagerhkfin: known issue, not sure if there is a bug about that.11:19
SageI though there is but can't find it atm.11:20
rhkfinSage: ok, thanks11:20
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faenilsup guys o/11:34
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alteregoSage: I can try an upgrade if you like.12:06
alteregow00t: just thought you could also use my libvoicecall library, that has the DBus proxy stuff in there.12:08
alteregow00t: I'll be turning it in to a Qml plugin too ;)12:08
alteregoWell, I'm going to make a Qml plugin for it ..12:08
w00talterego: huh?12:08
alteregow00t: integrating with dialer from your end.12:08
alteregoYou'd just need to "import stage.rubyx.voicecall 1.0" instantiate VoiceCallManager, then call dial(providerId, msisdn);12:10
w00twhy does that need a library? can't that all belong in the plugin? it's just QtDBUs after all12:11
w00tthere's no point inventing architecture when there's no need for it12:11
alteregow00t: well, it's layered, the lib actually provides the adapter as well as the proxy, and all the interfaces.12:12
w00tok, I think I'll just make the dbus call myself12:12
alteregoNot use the declarative plugin? :P12:12
w00tI'm really not interested in architecture jenga this early when it adds no benefit and means I can't easily develop on desktop anymore12:12
alteregofair nuff12:13
w00tthat was the point of keeping things fairly self-contained in the plugins repo, btw, so that you can (fairly easily) grab it, build it, install it, and then build and run an application12:13
alteregookay, I'll separate out the dbus client stuff into the plugin, then there's no dependency on the lib12:14
w00tyou have a ContactModel inside dialer, don't you?12:15
w00t(unrelatedly)12:15
alteregoYes, will do. (not yet though)12:15
w00tok, so when you need to open a card, it's fine if you run them in your own process?12:15
alteregoYeah12:15
alteregoSo I just use your contact card component and provide a "contact" instance?12:15
w00tsince you already have the information, I figure that's going to a) be simpler, and b) be faster than involving IPC to ask me to do it12:16
w00tyeah12:16
alteregoYeah12:16
alteregoAwesome, no extra api :)12:16
alteregoOkay, so I'll keep an eye on your qmlcontacts code, to make sure when I get into that arena I can mirror everything properly.12:16
w00tI haven't exposed a card component yet12:17
w00tneed to do a bit more thinking about how to do that (perhaps as a sheet/page as a whole thing, I don't know)12:17
w00tbut there is some other stuff reusable already12:17
w00thttps://github.com/nemomobile/qmlcontacts/tree/master/src/qml/api12:18
alteregotbf, I can just to 'import "/usr/share/qmlcontacts/qml"'12:19
w00tall of that stuff works with a QML Contact / ContactModel, in case that wasn't obvious12:19
w00tthat changed, it's published to org.nemomobile.qmlcontacts 1.0 (as in, a proper import), the stuff that isn't published is built-in using a qrc12:20
alteregookay12:20
alteregolots to do me ... O_O12:20
w00thm?12:20
Sagealterego: well I need to do it myself once at least as I need specific info12:20
alteregoMy list of todo's for dialer is insane :)12:20
w00thehe12:21
w00ti know the feeling12:21
w00ti need to deal with the editor, but i still have no real idea how to do that...12:21
alteregoAnd that's not including PA or ofono12:21
alteregoWhich luckily is being delegated :)12:21
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w00thehe12:25
w00tgood to know it will get some attention. Not much good having a dialer that can't dial :-(12:25
faenilehehe :D12:26
alteregoIt dials,12:26
alteregoNo audio :)12:26
alteregoThough, no modem with ofono1.8 ..12:26
alteregoSo it can't dial with that.12:27
faenilam I wrong thinking that nemo could once make voicecalls?12:27
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alteregofaenil: it still can, to an extent.12:31
w00t alterego btw i take it that means you didn't have any luck on the ofono patches12:32
alteregow00t: didn't look, my time is better spent getting dialer feature complete.12:32
w00tok12:33
rhkfinSage: do you know if the terminal -> black screen bug is only on virtualbox or on all platforms?12:47
faenilrhkfin, I got the blackscreen bug yesterday, while it was "zypper update"ing12:49
faenilon n95012:49
faenilso I don't know...12:49
faenilit also happens fairly often while using heliumreborn12:49
rhkfinfaenil: ok12:50
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Sagerhkfin: that is on vm only13:12
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Sagethe issue faenil faced is different thing13:12
faenilSage, ok thanks ;)13:13
rhkfinok13:14
rhkfinSage: does it mean that it's a problem on the image or virtualbox?13:15
rhkfinand has it been around for a long time / are there any changes that a working image will be around at some stage?13:23
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nochI was using nemo 5/21 release, and had problems upgrading it because wifi connection seemd to not be stable enough. Then eventually yesterday I've managed to upgrade it.14:45
nochI have noticed that there are new option in settings - scroll to control brightness of the screen14:45
nochand it didn't work, also it seemd I cannot connect to the network anymore. I decided to just do an install of the new image.14:46
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nochAnd instead of wifi settings I experienced hello world inscription (:14:49
faenilnoch, have you already installed updated packages?14:50
nochI have installed 07/02 image14:51
nochand did not upgrade it with zypper this time14:51
faenilthen do :)14:51
nochokay14:51
nochI have suggested in mer bugzilla to include dejavu-fonts into the mer core, cause it have a let of national characters and then all devices with mer may have them out of the box14:52
nochSince the request was declined I would like to ask for the same here - is there a possibility to include dejavu-fonts as the nemo default package?14:53
nochthis is pretty nice description on wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts14:55
nochAlso there is a problem with tzdata package14:59
nochIt's too old and do not reflect current state of timezone info14:59
nochah, tzdata is probably in mer core15:03
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phaeron1wasn't there a license issue with fonts ?15:14
phaeron1I don't remember15:14
nochActually I do not understand the answers in the bug reports quite well15:26
nochhttps://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187 and the dublicate I have been written cause I forgot that I opened one before is https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42615:27
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nochthe second says "triaged", and the first says "Need a solution to il8n in Mer"15:28
nochI don't get what does it mean.15:28
phaeron1it wasn't rejected15:29
nochyeah, I have noticed today that the first in still opened.15:29
nochHave you heard there's a problem with license?15:29
phaeron1it means the package could be made available , but not installed by default15:30
phaeron1and it means someone needs to create a generic solution for internationalization15:30
phaeron1noch: I was probably thinking about some other related discussion not about this specific font15:30
nochThen is it feasible if I open a bug in nemo wiki to ask for the same fonts to be included there?15:31
nochin nemo bugzilla, sorry15:31
phaeron1well it wasn't rejected from core, so it could still go in core, why would you want it in two places :)15:32
alteregow00t: almost finished stand-alone declarative voicecall plugin.15:32
alteregoSo I'll be testing soon.15:32
nochokay, I see15:32
phaeron1noch: however if you have input on the issue please voice it there or on the mailing list15:33
* w00t is cursing the living hell out of QDeclarativeListProperty, QMetaObject, and a few other things15:33
* alterego shudders15:33
nochokay, I may try to write there15:33
alteregoI stay away from those15:33
alteregoThey aren't working right until QML2 afair15:33
alteregoIf I need lists, I just make a model ..15:33
w00tyeah, unfortunately, our best beloved QML bindings use them15:34
alteregooh :/15:34
w00tI have it all (more or less) working except notify signals15:34
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w00teven if the save code is a bit.. cumbersome15:34
w00thttp://qtl.me/8bB.txt kind of cumbersome15:35
nochphaeron1: Also, should I open a bug because I would like to see my timezone name to present in nemo settings > time and date >  time and date > timezone ? I mean I do not want to bother people with opening tickets.15:35
w00tnoch: if you think something is wrong, open a bug (or better still, try fix it)15:35
w00tdon't worry about bothering people15:36
phaeron1noch: yeah bugs are not bothering they are there to track issues and tasks15:37
nochw00t: then if I'll try to find the necessary change in some github repository - change it and make a merge request - is it the right way to do the change?15:37
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w00tnoch: try find the problem first, then ask someone here for how to proceed.. it depends a bit on what the issue is15:37
nochI mean I've noticed nemomobile in github15:37
phaeron1noch: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail15:37
w00tif you run into problems or have questions, ask away here too15:37
nochthanks15:38
alteregoI'm almost contemplating writing a pure QML test harness to test this dbus code, but I can't be arsed :)15:38
w00tphaeron1: that doesn't really cover our cases completely given that we have a lot of software we self-maintain (and more we're writing)15:38
w00t(that isn't inside mer)15:38
phaeron1w00t: at least timezone data is in core , right ?15:39
w00talterego: honestly, at this point, i'm considering just bypassing all this stuff and adding e.g. internalPhoneNumbers getters/setters/notify signals to save my sanity15:39
nochBesides I've opened a bug for timezone data: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48615:40
w00tor perhaps some kind of model structure for a specific detail15:40
w00tI don't know15:40
w00tI just know that I've wasted too much time on this problem and it's annoying the crap out of me :)15:41
phaeron1noch: that's good already , if you want to get your hands into mer , then follow the contribution guide and submit the update :)15:41
faenilw00t, could you sum it up so I don't waste time on it? :D15:41
nochphaeron1: okay, thanko15:42
nochthanks15:42
w00tfaenil: a simple summary really doesn't exist here, the simplest I can make it is that the dynamic "lists" of details (e.g. Contact::phoneNumbers) are horribly obtuse at best and fucking broken at worst15:43
phaeron1noch: don't hesitate to ask stuff if you get stuck here or in #mer15:43
faenilaahahahah, crystal clear xD15:43
w00tobtuse in that you can't modify such a list easily, the best you can do is to overwrite it (but that seems to leave stuff dangling around, as the XXX comment in my patch indicates)15:43
w00tbroken in that even overwriting one of them doesn't trigger a notify signal15:44
w00tnor are the notify signals changed when those details change on the contact elsewhere15:44
w00ts/changed/triggered/15:44
* w00t longs for libseaside again, honestly15:44
faenilw00t, holy crap!15:45
w00tit may turn out to be less effort to resurrect that, than to try fix this pile of shit15:45
faenilxD15:45
w00talong with the other 313958 bugs I've found in there just by reading the code like QDeclarativeContact instances never being deleted, QDeclarativeDetail instances never being deleted when the contact changes, filtering basically not working at all after the initial model fetch, etc.15:46
nochphaeron1: thanks15:46
faenilw00t, stay away from contacts, lesson learnt15:48
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w00talterego: need your thoughts on this15:49
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alteregow00t: what's that?15:52
alteregorewriting qt-contacts? :)15:53
w00twell, not so much rewriting, libseaside already offered more or less everything (apart from needing more detail types)15:53
w00tso it's either: 1) libseaside, 2) trying to fix this (not sure how much more effort is worthwhile there), 3) bypassing the most broken stuff (like the list properties) and trying to fix the rest of it, similar to 2), because it's going to involve pain in fixing stuff up, still15:54
alterego:/15:54
w00t1) certainly isn't a free ride, either15:55
alteregoHrm, how much work would it take to get a qml binding for libseaside?15:55
w00ti'd start by turning that into a declarative plugin, for instance..15:55
w00tI mostly already did that when I was ripping out MTF and writing qmlcontacts much, much earlier on15:56
alteregoI think, we kind of need qt-contacts, as that's a published API that people probably already use in Harmattan.15:56
w00tit'll exist, it just won't get any more effort put into it15:56
w00tso it'll be in the same (ridiculously stunted and broken) state as in harmattan15:56
alteregoProbably slightly better after the effort you've already put in ;)15:57
w00tI have fixed some bugs, yes15:57
w00tlike sorting not working at all after the initial fetch15:57
alteregoWell, I think it's very much up to you.15:57
alteregobindings for libseaside seems like a nice idea.15:57
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alteregoBut this is all pita work :/15:58
w00thttps://github.com/nemomobile/libseaside/blob/no-mtf/src/seasideperson.h <- the APIs are similar in some ways15:58
alteregoHeh, I've never seen a QObject header file look like that before :D15:58
w00tin what way? :-o15:59
alteregoQ_PROPERTY decl, then accessors in little stanzas15:59
w00tdid it that way as it aids copy-pastability, but i'm hardly set on doing it like that :)15:59
alteregolol16:00
alteregoI can see the appeal :)16:00
w00tif moc parsed defines, I'd turn the whole thing into a define16:00
w00tunfortunately...16:00
alteregoHah, doesn't moc have something similar itself?16:00
w00tnot afair16:01
alteregoI do get bored of all the code duplication I seem to be doing. That would work fine with a bit of meta-programming magick16:01
w00tok, I'm going to look at turning seaside into a declarative plugin16:01
alteregoI think one day I'll write a little ruby script or something that'll stup out .h and .cpp files given a interface spec.16:02
w00tif it's not too much effort, I think it will end out being a much faster alternative...16:02
alteregoOkay16:02
alteregoSounds reasonible.16:02
w00tit will mean we'll need to do some porting effort in dialer too, but I'll try make that not too difficult16:02
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alteregoWell, dialer doesn't have any contact stuff yet at all, so you're alright there ;)16:03
alteregoUnless you're talking about meego-handset-dialer?16:04
w00tah :)16:04
w00tno16:04
w00tyour dialer is replacing that16:04
alteregowell, then :)16:04
w00ti don't care about m-h-d :D16:04
alteregome either, ^.^16:04
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faenil:)16:06
alteregoThis should work right? : qmlviewer -P /var/tmp/voicecall-plugin/usr/lib/qt4/imports test/test.qml16:06
faenilbbl16:06
denismHi, I am planning to submit a fix for the bug https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205 , also I would like to update wget to version 1.13.416:09
denism(has been written as by wiki Nemo/GettingStartedInFixingBugs :) )16:10
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5314 Rejected promotion request16:13
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denismthe-boss: if someone has any idea what's wrong - please reply16:18
the-bossdenism: Error: "if" is not a valid command.16:18
denism:)16:18
lbthttps://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5314 says "FAILED check_yaml_matches_spec"16:20
lbttypically that means you didn't use 'specify' ...16:20
lbtit *could* mean there's a problem with different versions of specify producing different output16:21
denismlbt: thank you I will try to dig in16:24
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5315 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/531516:34
denismplease could somebody clarify, in case of problems - should I create another submit request, or just reopen the current one?16:38
denismI have tried to reopen, but seems it is using the same 'old' revision16:38
lbtgood question16:39
lbtwe know about gerrit/mer-core16:39
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lbtYeah - an OBS SR is a single-shot - so you make another request16:40
denismlbt: thank you for the clarification, perhaps Nemo/GettingStartedInFixingBugs should be updated - last section step 716:44
lbtfeel free16:44
denism"Be prepared to do (typically minor) fixes to your submit request" - it is not clear that another submit request should be done :) ok I will try16:45
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lbtyeah, that means that evil/grumpy maintainers may not like your SR - in this case you made a change to --with-ssl but didn't mention that in the changelog16:47
lbtI'd like to know why someone touched an ssl option16:47
lbtprobably because the configure syntax changed - but maybe you now use external ssl rather than wget-bundled16:48
lbtso since it's security I'd comment on it16:48
lbtalso you removed a CVE patch16:48
lbtI'd also comment that that was taken upstream16:49
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denismlbt: about ssl - wget 1.13.4 use gnutls by default, so to use the old openssl - it should be clarified explictly16:49
lbtright - so explain that in the comment to make life easy for the reviewer16:50
denismlbt: should I create another request with updated .changes file - or just add comment to this submit request?16:50
denism(about both SSL option and CVE patch removing - yes it is fixed by upstream already)16:51
lbtI'll do a rejection review - I shoulda done that really but it's more friendly explaining in irc in person :)16:51
denismlbt: ok thank you16:52
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5315 Rejected promotion request16:54
lbtgood boss16:54
lbtnb .. .boss will (eventually) mark bugs automatically when you mention them in changelogs16:54
denismlbt: do you mean it will mark them as resolved/fixed - or just later to released?16:57
lbtnot 100% sure yet :)16:57
lbtIt may just add a comment when the SR is taken to 'Trunk'16:58
lbtand later mark it released when a release is made16:58
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alteregoMight try new dialer on N900 nemo-next17:04
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5316 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/531617:11
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5317 Rejected promotion request17:13
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faenilback :)17:25
faenilw00t, ping17:26
faenilspecial, ping17:26
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5318 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/531817:35
w00talterego: http://qtl.me/omg-phonies.png18:05
w00twhat was taking me days of fucking around with QML internals, declarative contacts, and js, took me a few hours to port my seaside QML stuff to work as a plugin, port the UI, and add editable numbers..18:05
befordw00t: how do you test the QML on osx? qemu?18:06
w00tbeford: I run it natively18:06
w00tI have meego components (and darko theme) built and installed18:06
befordah nice18:06
w00talong with anything else I need along the way18:07
befordI should do that if I figure how to, testing the ui on the simulator is meh, and using the phone all the time gets a little slow18:07
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alteregow00t: O_O18:09
alteregow00t: awesome.18:09
alteregoWell, I've made the declarative plugin, which currently contains the DBus proxy classes and two models.18:11
alteregoPretty chuffed with them too.18:12
alteregoAnd I ported the current UI to use this new plugin.18:13
w00tcool18:13
alteregoRipped out all the libvoicecall stuff, works great there too. So now all libvoicecall is used for is the voicecall plugins.18:13
w00t\o/18:14
alterego(not declarative plugins) but voice call manager plugins.18:14
alteregoJust need to test all the functions and we'll be set :)18:14
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w00t:)18:20
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faenil:)18:25
alteregoSage: "reboot" doesn't work on -next18:43
alterego(on N900) using uboot and SD card18:43
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Venemohey! :)18:54
Venemoalterego, ping :)18:54
alteregoGood evening18:54
Venemohave you had any luck with the Qt Creator integration thing?18:54
faenilyo Venemo  :)18:55
Venemohey faenil :)18:55
alteregoVenemo: sorry not had much time, I've got the weekend to play with that though, and I do really want to do it :)18:56
alteregoSo I'll hopefully bosh something up tomorrow morning.18:56
Venemoalterego, is there a way I can help with it?18:56
alteregoI tell a lie actually I did do a bit of work on it ;)18:56
alteregoBut nothing to great just yet.18:56
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alteregoVenemo: not really, except test the process when I'm done. It's not much work at all. Pretty straight forward now I've worked out how to communicate with sb2 through the chroot from outside.18:57
Venemoalterego, any alpha version to test?18:57
alteregoNo, no version at all :)18:58
Venemookay18:58
Venemoone more thing, if I recall correctly, you had been working on something like this. do you know of a paging QML component?18:59
alteregoHow do you mean paging?18:59
alteregoLike a swiping through pages?18:59
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Venemoexactly.18:59
alteregoYes, very simple to do.18:59
Venemosomething like a flickable, but with discrete positions to snap to18:59
alteregoJust use a List and there are properties for accel etc.19:00
alteregoActually, I can show you an example./19:00
alteregoVenemo: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/blob/master/src/qml/main.qml19:01
Venemoa ListView? srsly?19:01
alteregoYup :)19:02
VenemoI had no idea one could use a ListView in this manner19:02
alteregoWell, there you go :)19:02
Venemothanks :)19:02
Venemoit's a pity I can't launch lipstick from Qt Creator19:03
alteregoanyhow, I need to spend some quality time with my lade ;)19:03
alterego~lady ..19:03
Venemookay, sure :)19:03
Venemolet's talk about this tomorrow then :)19:04
alteregoSure, I should be mostly free tomorrow during the day, then a friends birthday in the evening.19:05
alteregoAnd my new computer case should arrive in the morning! WOO!19:05
Venemo:)19:05
alteregottyl19:05
Venemobye :)19:05
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