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| iekku | morning | 05:13 |
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| Sage_ | morning all | 06:15 |
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| rcg | morning Sage_ | 06:18 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly where his microsd card is | 06:18 | |
| niqt | morning | 06:19 |
| Sage_ | btw, testing images of the upcoming release if someone wants to give a go http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/testing-versions/0.20120614.0.1.NEMO.2012-06-25.5/ | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | so far i've verified x86, x86-vm | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | wifi is naturally broken as expected | 06:21 |
| Stskeeps | but ethernet comes up automatically on vm again | 06:21 |
| * Sage_ ponders mer-kickstarter | 06:25 | |
| Sage_ | mer-kickstarter: error: no such option: -r | 06:26 |
| Sage_ | hmmp | 06:26 |
| phaeron | Sage_: lbt has nice new scripts you can use to make mds based releases :) | 06:27 |
| Sage_ | where is mer-kickstarter upstream git? | 06:28 |
| Sage_ | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/mer-kickstarter.git;a=summary | 06:29 |
| Sage_ | how can that be in sdk if it is not in the gitweb? :) | 06:29 |
| Sage_ | ah, cobs | 06:30 |
| Sage_ | but still upstream url missing | 06:31 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: well I wanted to verify that mer kickstarter works as I would expect and it didn't :) | 06:31 |
| Sage_ | o_0 version 0.13 mer kickstarter is based on old version of kickstarter? | 06:32 |
| rcg | hmm.. alright.. either my sd card or my card reader/writer are damn slow | 06:35 |
| rcg | writing the image takes ages | 06:35 |
| phaeron | Sage_: releasing images is fine, but flat mds repos would be great | 06:35 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: still talking about totally different thing probably :D | 06:36 |
| Sage_ | I haven't used mer-kickstarter to create nemo kickstarts before I've used kickstarter that has my patches in. And mer-kickstarter doesn't seem to work. | 06:37 |
| phaeron | ok, maybe sdk should use your kickstarter | 06:38 |
| Sage_ | well... I want to find out first where this mer-kickstarter came I recall some talk long time ago | 06:38 |
| Sage_ | but back then I assumed that they picked my tree as a base :D | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | it was, i think..? | 06:39 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, why wifi is broken? | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: there's someone who has an updated wifi applet | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | for new connman api | 06:41 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4152727 | 06:41 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: well mer-kickstarter is missing a lot :/ | 06:41 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, oh, ok | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: hmmm | 06:41 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: booting | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | rcg: k | 06:42 |
| Sage_ | https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter is my tree that I have been using. | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i was based off one of your trees, afaik | 06:42 |
| Sage_ | and kickstarter has been version 0.14 since feb 29 and mer-kickstarter is 0.13 | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | hm | 06:42 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: where is the git tree for that. | 06:42 |
| rcg | Stskeeps: looks good | 06:43 |
| rcg | booted into the ui fine | 06:43 |
| rcg | as you guessed wifi seems to be missing | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: looking.. as you may know the tools/ is a bit funky due to lbt's git experiments.. | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: sages-kickstarter @ d4784c472f1adc9d05db897e9d5c108a0e83ef71 + http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/stskeeps-kickstarter-patches.1 = mer-kickstarter 0.13 | 06:47 |
| Sage_ | d4784c472f1adc9d05db897e9d5c108a0e83ef71 <- please show where did you find that :D | 06:48 |
| Stskeeps | commit d4784c472f1adc9d05db897e9d5c108a0e83ef71 | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | Author: Marko Saukko <marko.saukko@cybercom.com> | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | Date: Tue Jan 17 14:06:53 2012 +0200 | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | Replaced SaveRepos with RepositoryOptions to avoid hardcoded values. | 06:49 |
| Sage_ | eh... ok well your patch is removing a lot of functionality | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | it is, yes | 06:50 |
| Sage_ | why you remove -r cmdline option? | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | in order to make us able to do inherited images | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | because it's in the yaml instead | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | go look at mer-kickstarter-configs | 06:50 |
| Sage_ | umm... | 06:52 |
| Sage_ | so with mer-kickstarter how can I easily change all my repo urls from y to x? | 06:53 |
| Sage_ | -r was for repos.yaml | 06:53 |
| * Stskeeps wonders why we didn't have this convo 3 months ago.. | 06:53 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:53 |
| Sage_ | I have no idea :D | 06:54 |
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| Sage_ | I though I was using the same kickstarter already but apparently not :D | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | seems so | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | the aim is a lego block like approach | 06:57 |
| Sage_ | I recall that and I agreed :) | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | so you can easily swap hw adaptations as well | 06:57 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 06:57 |
| Sage_ | https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/trees/master/configs/Nemo my main question is how can one change from repos.yaml to repos-next.yaml easily with the mer-kickstarter? | 06:59 |
| Sage_ | I don't want to redo all the information as everything else is the same except the repo urls | 06:59 |
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| Sage_ | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/sdk-kickstarter-configs.git;a=summary <- where are these? | 07:02 |
| * Sage_ would like to see an example | 07:02 | |
| Sage_ | lbt: ping | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | they're in the Mer:Tools | 07:02 |
| Sage_ | ah | 07:03 |
| Sage_ | confusing :) | 07:03 |
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| Sage_ | Ok, I'm thinking that we could use something like http://pastie.org/4152824 probably not with this syntax but anyway. | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps, yaeh | 07:09 |
| Sage_ | with mer it is easy to just say BUILD_ID but with obs that isn't so easy | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, or multiple build-id's.. | 07:09 |
| Sage_ | http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE%3a/MW%3a/Shared/Mer_Core-next_armv7hl/ vs http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE%3a/MW%3a/Shared/Mer_Core_armv7hl/ | 07:10 |
| Sage_ | and worst case is that it is different for each repository :D | 07:11 |
| Sage_ | http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE%3a/MW%3a/MTF/Mer_Core-next_CE_MW_Shared_armv7hl/ vs http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE%3a/MW%3a/MTF/CE_MW_Shared_armv7hl/ | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | we should do proper nemo releases | 07:12 |
| Sage_ | that as well, but I'm also thinking about bleeding egde developers that want to use live repos for example. IMO that should be possible as well. | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | sure, or we should just do CI-like releases.. | 07:13 |
| Sage_ | so update release when ever repos update? | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | right, why not | 07:14 |
| Sage_ | well that sounds ok :) | 07:14 |
| Sage_ | "latest", "next", and then there was "live"? ;) | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:14 |
| * Sage_ likes the idea atm. but needs to think about it a bit more. | 07:15 | |
| Stskeeps | i need more coffee | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | rcg: so besides wifi, image is functional? | 07:27 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps: seemed so | 07:31 |
| rcg | but i just briefly had a look at the ui and the settings app | 07:32 |
| rcg | what i can tell what changed is that it is now shutting down properly | 07:32 |
| rcg | iirc the last image showed the gray nemo screen after long pushing the power button but did not shut down | 07:32 |
| rcg | but that might be just me having strange memory at the early morning ;) | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 07:34 |
| rcg | yw :) | 07:34 |
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| lbt | Sage_: FYI I'm not using mer-tools/ on review.merproject.org just yet - it's currently all done via cobs. I am working on getting a better git solution there (one that lets you actually see 'as released' code via gitweb). For now https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Tools | 07:46 |
| lbt | Sage_: also: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00548.html mentions Tools 6.0.1 http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/Mer-Tools/6.0.1/builds/i486/packages/ | 07:48 |
| lbt | so yeah, we can make pre-release or snapshots releases of the SDK and then use : sudo sdk-upgrade --sdk 6.0.1 | 07:48 |
| lbt | which does nothing more than update the repos.d/ | 07:49 |
| Sage_ | lbt: you had the nemo release making script or something? | 07:59 |
| lbt | yes - I'm not sure how well it will work for nemo atm | 08:00 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/release-tools.git;a=blob;f=tools/createrelease.sh;h=64b029de872418b4b1c3df3f246f72e0d06a8c56;hb=lbt | 08:00 |
| Sage_ | well with nemo it doesn't really work. We can't merge all to same repository. | 08:00 |
| lbt | why? | 08:01 |
| lbt | for a release I mean | 08:01 |
| lbt | oh, HA stuff ? | 08:01 |
| lbt | Sage_: maybe we should arrange a session to discuss what a Nemo release needs? | 08:03 |
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| Sage_ | HA is one yes | 08:05 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: you had somewhere that nemo snapshot that you did with some script? | 09:20 |
| Sage_ | ah, found it | 09:24 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5137 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5137 | 09:26 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5138 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5138 | 09:26 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: yes we should arrange a meeting | 10:12 |
| Sage_ | not today though. maybe later this week or next week. | 10:12 |
| lbt | OK - would fit into a tue release meeting agenda | 10:12 |
| lbt | you good with the 6.0.1 SDK release? | 10:13 |
| lbt | I'm thinking of doing another pre-release 'soon' and then making it a proper 6.1.0 | 10:13 |
| Sage_ | how can I get 6.0.1 to use? | 10:14 |
| lbt | [26/06/2012 08:48] <lbt> so yeah, we can make pre-release or snapshots releases of the SDK and then use : sudo sdk-upgrade --sdk 6.0.1 | 10:15 |
| lbt | also: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00548.html mentions Tools 6.0.1 http://repo.pub.meego.com/releases/Mer-Tools/6.0.1/builds/i486/packages/ | 10:16 |
| lbt | and has instructions :) | 10:16 |
| Sage_ | ok, looks good to me only spectacle and git changes. | 10:18 |
| lbt | yeah ... I just added rsync too | 10:18 |
| lbt | and something else | 10:18 |
| lbt | quilt | 10:19 |
| Sage_ | uh... mer tar isn't able to handle .xz :/ | 10:19 |
| lbt | hmm | 10:20 |
| lbt | does it need xz libs for ./configure ? | 10:20 |
| lbt | bug though | 10:20 |
| Sage_ | well tar with xz is gplv3 | 10:21 |
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| lbt | hmm | 10:21 |
| lbt | not sure if that's a problem | 10:22 |
| lbt | we need a gpl3 policy and a rationale for any tools that are included | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | busybox would solve that issue | 10:26 |
| lbt | yep | 10:27 |
| slaine | Didn't Stskeeps have busy box packaged up for exactly this reason ? | 10:32 |
| slaine | getting major deja-vu on this topic | 10:32 |
| Sage_ | there are packages but not pushed to mer yet | 10:40 |
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| * Sage_ is eagerly waiting next SR and how it goes | 12:07 | |
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| Sage_ | I'm actually quite surpriced if it succeeds :P | 12:10 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron1: btw, one good check for boss would be for certain projects check that the SR comes from right project (devel project). | 12:13 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5140 Rejected promotion request | 12:15 |
| Sage_ | ah, there it is :D | 12:15 |
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| phaeron1 | Sage_: yeah we thought about that , but you said people branch and submit from branches , right ? | 13:22 |
| Sage_ | phaeron1: yes, but that doesn't change my check actually | 13:24 |
| Sage_ | e.g. to CE:MW:Shared people submit from their own branches as that doesn't have separate devel project. however e.g. CE:MW:MTF has separate devel project at Project:MTF:MW | 13:25 |
| phaeron1 | I think obs makes sure the branch is from the devel project | 13:27 |
| phaeron1 | Sage_: I'll put it on list | 13:27 |
| Sage_ | phaeron1: well we don't have that defined actually in our projects I think | 13:29 |
| Sage_ | phaeron1: also user can override that it is just recommended by obs. | 13:29 |
| phaeron1 | yeah but if user overrides and we have the check on SR he'll be rejected | 13:30 |
| Sage_ | also for new packages obs doesn't recommend that AFAIK | 13:31 |
| phaeron1 | what does that mean | 13:32 |
| Sage_ | if user wants to submit package A to project X and it is not there already he will do taht most probably from home:x and doesn't use branch. So OBS doesn't say that you should branch from Y instead of X. | 13:34 |
| * Sage_ kicks cobs and wonders what is the delay atm. | 13:46 | |
| Stskeeps | prolly updatesstorm | 13:47 |
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| * Sicelo has just been checking out available screenshots of Nemo | 19:38 | |
| Sicelo | say, does Nemo support the FM radio yet? | 19:38 |
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| Sage_ | Sicelo: not sure if anyone has tried that. | 19:49 |
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| Sicelo | the last image i downloaded, 20120120, didn't have the required module. not sure about the latest | 19:51 |
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| Sage_ | Sicelo: well probably not in on any later ones as I haven't seen anyone submitting anything regarding the fm | 20:42 |
| Sicelo | ok. :) | 20:42 |
| * Sicelo would like to have that | 20:43 | |
| Sicelo | Sage_: has anyone tested/benchmarked power usage on N900 (or N9) while running Nemo? | 20:43 |
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| Sage_ | Sicelo: the n900 was benchmarked at some point and IIRC it was quite close to fremantle. | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | ah, that's great news :) | 20:47 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: what is holding https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5141 ? | 20:56 |
| Venemo_N9 | hey Sage_? | 20:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | do you have a moment? | 20:57 |
| Sage_ | Venemo_N9: if I don't have I don't answer ;) | 20:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | ok :P | 20:58 |
| Venemo_N9 | are you familiar with the architecture of the meegotouch ux? | 20:58 |
| Sage_ | Usually it is good just to ask the question as many times there are also others that can answer. | 20:58 |
| Sage_ | meegotouch ux... you mean meegotouch framework based ux the one that is used on nemo? | 20:58 |
| Venemo_N9 | the others recommended to ask you about this one :) | 20:58 |
| Venemo_N9 | I mean the mtf-based ux that is in nemo :) | 20:59 |
| Sage_ | I have no idea if i'm familiar or not. Let me know your question and lets decide after that :D | 20:59 |
| Venemo_N9 | ok | 20:59 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'd like to know what's up with the different meegotouch-* packages. eg. what's the relationship between meegotouchhome and meegotouch-systemui | 21:00 |
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| Venemo_N9 | what is responsible for drawing the status bar? | 21:01 |
| Sage_ | meegotouchhome is the home screen that contains the application menu and "desktop" | 21:01 |
| Venemo_N9 | what is responsible for drawing the lock screen? | 21:01 |
| Sage_ | meegotouch-systemui is responsible of the status bar on top and lockscreen | 21:01 |
| Venemo_N9 | okay | 21:02 |
| Venemo_N9 | what are other key components? | 21:03 |
| Venemo_N9 | I see there's meegotouch-compositor (which is sometimes referred to as mcompositor, not sure if those are the same) | 21:04 |
| Venemo_N9 | also, one more thing | 21:06 |
| Venemo_N9 | does the qt-components package depend on meegotouch or its themes in any way? | 21:06 |
| Venemo_N9 | also, what is sysuid? | 21:08 |
| Sage_ | mcompositor and meegotouch-compositor is responsible of the application switcher | 21:08 |
| Sage_ | same component ^ | 21:08 |
| Venemo_N9 | ok :) | 21:08 |
| Sage_ | window manager | 21:08 |
| Sage_ | sysuid is same as meegotouch-systemui | 21:08 |
| Venemo_N9 | hm | 21:08 |
| Venemo_N9 | all right | 21:08 |
| Sage_ | the package names and binary names differ a bit :) | 21:08 |
| phaeron | Sage_: you sent the request while source project was still building ? | 21:08 |
| Venemo_N9 | I see :) | 21:08 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: could be, the mass rebuild started around the same time I guess. | 21:09 |
| phaeron | so it waited for a couple of hours and then timed out | 21:09 |
| phaeron | I forgot to change my email in error reporting so I didn't get it | 21:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | Sage_, and how does sysuid draw the status bar? I know some details about it, but not the full mechanics | 21:09 |
| Sage_ | Venemo_N9: I'm not really sure about that in detail. See the sources ;) | 21:10 |
| phaeron | reapplied | 21:10 |
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| Sage_ | oh, and one other thing. The meegotouch-compositor-gestures is plugin to meegotouch-compositor that handles the gestures which currently minimize the applciations with gesture from sides. | 21:10 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5141 Rejected promotion request | 21:11 |
| Venemo_N9 | okay :) | 21:11 |
| Venemo_N9 | what I know about the statusbar is that it's somehow implemented on the toolkit side, as opposed to fremantle where this was on the compositor side | 21:11 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5141 <- the error messages between packages are a bit difficult to distinguish quickly. | 21:14 |
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| phaeron | k | 21:16 |
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| rcg1 | k's always good | 21:20 |
| rcg1 | :) | 21:20 |
| phaeron | sorry | 21:22 |
| rcg1 | ? | 21:27 |
| Venemo_N9 | Sage_, anyway, sorry for the stupid questions! :) and thx for your answers :) | 21:28 |
| rcg1 | ah Venemo_N9: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/wonko/CE_MW_MTF_CE_MW_Shared_armv7hl/home%3awonko.repo | 21:28 |
| rcg1 | that's the url to my repo | 21:28 |
| Venemo_N9 | rcg1, thanks :) | 21:29 |
| rcg1 | you can add it via: zypper ar <url_from_above> | 21:29 |
| Venemo_N9 | rcg1, is it okay if I check it out tomorrow? | 21:29 |
| rcg1 | sure | 21:29 |
| rcg1 | no need to hurry ;) | 21:29 |
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| rcg1 | just wanted to show you that we actually do work on the calendar :) | 21:30 |
| rcg1 | and if you like you can give meepasswords and qtodo a try as well ;) | 21:30 |
| Venemo_N9 | sure :) | 21:31 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: ping sr 5142 | 21:36 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5142 Rejected promotion request | 21:37 |
| Sage_ | err | 21:39 |
| Sage_ | what does that mean | 21:40 |
| phaeron | really not your day | 21:41 |
| Sage_ | something ran out of space? | 21:41 |
| Sage_ | the .yaml isn't empty | 21:41 |
| phaeron | no lots of space | 21:42 |
| phaeron | maybe obs returned 0 byte file | 21:42 |
| * Sage_ resubmits | 21:42 | |
| * Sage_ hates when obs does that :/ | 21:42 | |
| phaeron | yes | 21:42 |
| phaeron | it did it again | 21:44 |
| phaeron | but caught this time | 21:44 |
| Sage_ | obs returned 0 byte file? | 21:45 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5143 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5143 | 21:46 |
| phaeron | 0 byte response , so it generated error | 21:46 |
| phaeron | which I can retry | 21:46 |
| Sage_ | I think that bug is causing most of our random problems with cobs and also with mer gerrit reviews | 21:47 |
| phaeron | yes, and to think that inside the obs code there are retry loops | 21:47 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5143 Accepted promotion request | 22:08 |
| Sage_ | \o/ | 22:09 |
| Sage_ | ok, time to sleep probably :D | 22:09 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: :) | 22:15 |
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| Sage_ | ok, now I go for real ;) | 22:16 |
| Sage_ | good night all | 22:17 |
| phaeron | good night | 22:20 |
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