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| rcg | when is the next release planned? | 12:41 |
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| rcg | just asking because qmlcalendar is currently undergoing quite some rework that should significantly improve the usability | 12:42 |
| rcg | and if you plan a release in the near future i would put additional effort in packaging and submitting the current version | 12:42 |
| rcg | there is still very much that needs to be done | 12:52 |
| phaeron | well releases won't happen unless there's something to warrant a release :) | 12:53 |
| rcg | however, i really think, that this is a pretty big improvement over what we had before | 12:53 |
| rcg | alright :) | 12:53 |
| Venemo | rcg: same is true for irc-chatter | 12:53 |
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| rcg | Venemo: :) nice to see we are not alone in this boat ;) | 12:54 |
| rcg | i guess that's the faith of open source projects being developed in very scarce spare time... | 12:54 |
| Venemo | true. | 12:54 |
| phaeron | yeah, I'll try to push more updates if I can find any :) | 12:56 |
| Venemo | phaeron: where are the instructions on getting Nemo to the N950? | 13:00 |
| Venemo | ahe | 13:01 |
| Venemo | found 'em | 13:01 |
| Venemo | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing | 13:01 |
| Venemo | sorry | 13:01 |
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| phaeron | sorry wasn't looking | 13:09 |
| Venemo | no problem | 13:20 |
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| Venemo | phaeron, how familiar are you with the sw architecture of Nemo? | 13:21 |
| phaeron | I know about it but Sage_ is ther mastermind | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 13:24 |
| Venemo | I'm looking for some sort of architecture diagram, or an overview about the packages which consist the UX | 13:25 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: nemo architecture | 13:25 |
| Venemo | not sure if something similar exists at all | 13:25 |
| phaeron | Venemo: you can start at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture | 13:26 |
| phaeron | since nemo is based on mer | 13:26 |
| Venemo | as I said, I'm specifically interested in the UX :) | 13:26 |
| Venemo | I know it's similar to what harmattan has (meegotouchhome, sysuid, etc.) but I've never seen an overview of that one either. | 13:27 |
| phaeron | I vaguely remember seeing something like that in the wiki | 13:28 |
| Venemo | yup, I'm searching in the wiki | 13:29 |
| Venemo | also | 13:29 |
| Venemo | I'm not even sure what is the upstream for Nemo nowadays. | 13:29 |
| phaeron | Venemo: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/misc/Nemomobile-OBS-project-structure-draft.png | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | traditionally harmattan | 13:29 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, what do you mean? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, as in, many of our components are shared with harmattan | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | but we kinda have our own life | 13:31 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, where are the upstream sources of those components? | 13:31 |
| Venemo | I recall they used to be at meego gitorious, is that still the case? | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, or wheneever they were in sdk | 13:32 |
| Venemo | btw, it's flattering to see my little app as an example on that diagram :) | 13:32 |
| Venemo | so, is this the right place? http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux | 13:33 |
| Venemo | or this? http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch this seems to be more like it | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | meegotouch probably better | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | but MTF is so dead it's incredible :P | 13:34 |
| Venemo | true, but nemo still uses MTF for its desktop, doesn't it? | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | it fdoes | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | for now | 13:35 |
| Venemo | on the longer term, I've always wanted to create a poc ux of my own, based on qml | 13:35 |
| Venemo | but anyway, that's not what I'm looking for right now. | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | you saw lipstick, right? | 13:36 |
| Venemo | yep | 13:37 |
| Venemo | it seemed to be a very good thing to base my stuff on. | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 13:37 |
| Venemo | but it still needed a lot of work, last time I checked. | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | it's just a template | 13:38 |
| Venemo | yep, it's a proof of concept that proves that qml can be used for making a desktop. | 13:38 |
| Venemo | but it's not something that actually is usable. | 13:38 |
| Venemo | does Nemo use meegotouch-systemui for its lockscreen? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:39 |
| Venemo | that's what I was looking for | 13:39 |
| Venemo | :) | 13:40 |
| Venemo | fortunately now that I have an N9 that I can use for personal purposes, I can devote my N950 to Nemo hacking | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:44 |
| Venemo | btw, do you guys actually have a plan to replace meegotouch with something new? | 13:45 |
| phaeron | hopefully :) | 13:46 |
| Venemo | so is there something that's being worked on? | 13:46 |
| phaeron | well you can see some applications being replaced with QML stuff | 13:47 |
| Venemo | I can, yes | 13:47 |
| phaeron | but I think there is no official plan or roadmap | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i'm working on wayland+qml compositor on top on llvmpipe/virtualbox for future tornado-like experiences | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:48 |
| Venemo | I'm personally more interested in replacing meegotouchhome to something more useful, than replacing individual mtf apps | 13:48 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, that sounds real awesome | 13:48 |
| Venemo | and I'll also wait for Sage_ - the mastermind | 13:50 |
| * Stskeeps was defacto architect :P | 13:57 | |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, of the UX too? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, of the way we put things together/solutions | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | sage knows more than me of the way the repos are outlined though | 13:57 |
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| Venemo | I'm not quite interested in the way the repos are outlined, I'm interested in how the different meegotouch-* pieces interact with each other. | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:01 |
| Venemo | it seems to be largely non-documented, or at least I didn't find any documentation on the subject | 14:01 |
| Venemo | the base OS architecture is also impressive, but I'm more of a UI guy + I trust Stskeeps that the base OS is okay | 14:10 |
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| niqt | rcg: ping | 15:31 |
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| rcg | ah, just missed him | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | tegel just made my list of airports i really never want to visit again.. totally insane to navigate | 15:41 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: they'd also prefer you to not visit again, too bad that their new airport isn't getting done any time soon... | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 15:42 |
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| Venemo | hi again | 21:25 |
| Venemo | "You may brick your device to state where it can't be returned to usage" - how's that possible? can't it be always just reflashed? | 21:26 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, have you seen such a message? http://fpaste.org/xKj8/ | 21:32 |
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| Venemo | after this try, the device gives a ridiculous error message but does not boot properly | 21:34 |
| Venemo | "you have modified the device software, making the warranty permanently void" blah-blah :D | 21:35 |
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| phaeron | Venemo: flashing harmattan again should work | 21:41 |
| Venemo | ha! it seems that --erase-user-data=secure made this problem go away | 21:41 |
| Venemo | I'm downloading the harmattan image regardless | 21:41 |
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| Venemo | ok, it failed once again | 21:59 |
| Venemo | same error message | 22:00 |
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| phaeron | Venemo: did you upgrade harmattan | 22:05 |
| Venemo | phaeron, the N950 had the latest harmattan version,y es | 22:07 |
| phaeron | hmm and the autolock thing mentioned ? | 22:08 |
| Venemo | it was off | 22:08 |
| phaeron | I don't have an n950 , so I don't know .. | 22:08 |
| Venemo | I'm reflashing with harmattan and see if it works or not | 22:08 |
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| Venemo | what the hell | 22:21 |
| Venemo | it says "downgrading is disallowed" after my try to reflash with the latest harmattan image | 22:21 |
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| Venemo | I'm having one more try, then will go to sleep | 22:26 |
| Venemo | meh, I'm an idiot | 22:28 |
| Venemo | it was an old image... | 22:28 |
| Venemo | ha! I found a solution | 22:41 |
| Venemo | the N950 landing page on meego.com wiki gave me a hint. | 22:42 |
| Venemo | There are some problems when flashing from some recent versions of popular distributions. openSUSE 11.4, Ubuntu 11.10 and Fedora 15 are known to cause problems during the rootfs and mmc steps. Error messages contain plenty of "bb5_rdc_cert_read failed". Archlinux, Meego and slightly older versions of the listed above have been used successfully. If you get that error, use the flasher from beta1. | 22:42 |
| Venemo | and indeed, it works with the flasher from beta1 | 22:42 |
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| Venemo | awesome | 22:46 |
| Venemo | there is one step I don't understand | 22:46 |
| Venemo | MOSLO says "Rootfs now exported via USB" - however the device that I see in USB is 9.5 GB, which seems to be a bit larger than a rootfs. | 22:47 |
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| Venemo | ok, my N950 now runs on Nemo | 23:07 |
| Venemo | interestingly, Nemo doesn't seem to be able to handle the battery of the device, nor can it charge it | 23:07 |
| Venemo | I'm trying to update the packages and then reboot, and see if anything happens | 23:08 |
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| Venemo | this is not good | 23:17 |
| Venemo | it can't recognize my battery. | 23:17 |
| Venemo | and I found lots of glitches | 23:20 |
| rcg | Venemo: battery issue is well known, unfortunately | 23:22 |
| rcg | what kind of glitches do you experience? | 23:22 |
| rcg | did you try to reboot at least once? | 23:22 |
| Venemo | yes I did after I installed all updates | 23:22 |
| rcg | alright, i just read the rest you wrote here ;) | 23:23 |
| Venemo | rcg, so if I plug it in, does it actually charge, or not even that? | 23:23 |
| rcg | it does charge | 23:23 |
| rcg | "just" the indicator is not working | 23:23 |
| Venemo | ok, that's something | 23:24 |
| rcg | i also tried to have a look at that issue but that is really low level hardware guessing | 23:24 |
| rcg | if you search in the nemo bugtracker there is a bug about this where i also commented and posted my findings | 23:24 |
| Venemo | so, after the Nemo splashscreen but before the desktop loads, some very odd picture appears | 23:25 |
| Venemo | the lockscreen sometimes gets buggy | 23:25 |
| Venemo | it forgot my wifi setting | 23:25 |
| rcg | wrt this issue i am currently stuck half way in between getting some useful info out of the battery gauge chip and patching/writing a kernel module to read the values from it :/ | 23:25 |
| rcg | Venemo: yeah, wifi is also an issue here.. i figured it is actually associated just lost the ip config | 23:26 |
| Venemo | also, after connecting to another wifi, some time passed and something happened after which it said that the device doesn't have a wlan module | 23:26 |
| rcg | so i manually configure ip, default gw, and dns when that happens | 23:26 |
| rcg | and afterwards its pretty stable | 23:26 |
| Venemo | I wouldn't call the calendar app a calendar app | 23:26 |
| rcg | Venemo: that's what i am actually working on :) | 23:26 |
| Venemo | the browser is awesome (and also quite fast), but it isn't very user friendly | 23:27 |
| rcg | niqt and me made quite big progress with this one | 23:27 |
| rcg | i think you should like the new version of the calendar app | 23:27 |
| rcg | hopefully ;) | 23:27 |
| Venemo | the settings app is non-performant | 23:27 |
| Venemo | I could go on listing the glitches :( | 23:27 |
| rcg | agreed | 23:27 |
| Venemo | but I don't want to | 23:27 |
| rcg | Venemo: maybe i find the time to upload the latest version of the calendar app to my download resposity | 23:28 |
| rcg | tomorrow, that is | 23:28 |
| Venemo | camera app not working at all | 23:28 |
| rcg | will ping you if you are interested | 23:28 |
| Venemo | rcg, no hurries. | 23:28 |
| rcg | yeah, there are many issues | 23:28 |
| rcg | if you like you can try meepasswords and qtodo | 23:29 |
| Venemo | also irc-chatter doesn't want to connect, ever | 23:29 |
| rcg | these should actually be available via the default repositories by now | 23:29 |
| rcg | so just: zypper in | 23:29 |
| rcg | should do | 23:29 |
| Venemo | I can't decide whether the gallery app is plain not working or there are just no pictures. (it's a big white rectangle) | 23:30 |
| rcg | the new calendar app, e.g., features many improvements | 23:30 |
| rcg | calendar icon shows the current day of month, you can actually store new entries, you can navigate by swiping, etc. | 23:30 |
| rcg | but this was all hard work | 23:31 |
| Venemo | yup, the new version of irc-chatter also has a lot of improvements :) | 23:31 |
| rcg | so expect lots of "glitches" if you really wanna use nemo right now | 23:31 |
| rcg | :) | 23:31 |
| Venemo | yeah, I see. | 23:32 |
| rcg | actually, i would consider the current version of the calendar app i got here at least half-way usable | 23:32 |
| Venemo | rcg, hey, please don't take any offense on that comment of mine about it | 23:32 |
| Venemo | I didn't mean it like that | 23:33 |
| rcg | i don't, don't worry :) | 23:33 |
| rcg | i know this is a huge construction site | 23:33 |
| rcg | and there are only so many hours in a day ;) | 23:33 |
| rcg | also the terminal is missing the menu bar, with e.g. tab or esc shortcuts | 23:33 |
| rcg | that's also one thing i was looking into.. but well.. no time.. i guess you know this issue ;) | 23:34 |
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| rcg | for now i focused on the calendar, and tried to hack on the other issues that bug me most, at least a little | 23:34 |
| Venemo | your calendar is in qml, right? | 23:35 |
| rcg | its actually the calendar of niqt | 23:35 |
| rcg | i just jumped on board as co-developer | 23:35 |
| rcg | but yes, it's qml | 23:36 |
| Venemo | :) | 23:36 |
| rcg | i'll package the whole shebang i have here tomorrow | 23:36 |
| rcg | so you can have a look :) | 23:36 |
| Venemo | all right | 23:36 |
| Venemo | I'll see | 23:36 |
| rcg | feedback is always appreciated | 23:37 |
| Venemo | I have very little time for this stuff nowadays, but I'd like to allocate more :) so sure :) | 23:37 |
| rcg | it is still very far from being perfect but it is, at the same time, quite an improvement, i think ;) | 23:37 |
| rcg | same here :) | 23:37 |
| rcg | very same ;) | 23:37 |
| rcg | but having a "plain linux" with all this aegis stuff and other issues is just great.. | 23:38 |
| Venemo | indeed it is | 23:39 |
| rcg | no need to devel-su, open mode, or inception, as you are already fully open | 23:39 |
| Venemo | yup | 23:39 |
| rcg | and best of it all, nearly everything is open source | 23:39 |
| rcg | so, imho, this is the future | 23:39 |
| Venemo | yes. | 23:39 |
| Venemo | I think I've been saying that for a year or two | 23:40 |
| Venemo | but noone ever listens to me | 23:40 |
| Venemo | some guys just keep hacking on fremantle still... | 23:40 |
| rcg | yeah, that's also a neat thing, no need to hack for different systems... nemo/mer runs on N900, N950, and N9 | 23:41 |
| Venemo | anyway | 23:41 |
| rcg | so with this you really only code and package once :) | 23:41 |
| Venemo | any chance of the double tap to wake up thing? | 23:41 |
| rcg | chance for sure, just needs a brave soul to implement it.. imho | 23:42 |
| Venemo | :) | 23:42 |
| rcg | but well.. gotta hit the sack.. it's pretty late here and i wasted much more time hacking on the calendar than i expected | 23:42 |
| Venemo | yep, it's so late here that it's actually early | 23:42 |
| Venemo | :P | 23:42 |
| rcg | gotta catch up with the work i ought to have done during the weekend | 23:42 |
| Venemo | anyway, I couldn't sleep with a bricked N950 | 23:42 |
| Venemo | :P | 23:42 |
| Venemo | so, good night :) | 23:43 |
| rcg | got a submission deadline tomorrow xD | 23:43 |
| Venemo | and I have a planning meeting tomorrow | 23:43 |
| rcg | hehe, neither would have i | 23:43 |
| rcg | alright | 23:43 |
| rcg | then good night as well. | 23:43 |
| Venemo | bye, and let's keep in touch | 23:43 |
| rcg | sure :) | 23:43 |
| rcg | i'll ping you tomorrow once i packaged the new calendar | 23:43 |
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