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| eddyb | is anyone around? I can't get Nemo to boot (I asked in #mer already, I'm hoping there's some people here and not there that can help me) | 11:28 |
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| iekku | haven't tried with smaller than 8GB card | 11:30 |
| eddyb | does it really need all that space? | 11:31 |
| iekku | hmm, i think it needs some space to run everything needed | 11:32 |
| eddyb | iekku: also, the error is intriguing, maybe there's something wrong in how I've done it? I've swapped the placements of the FAT32 and ext4 partitions, so FAT32 is now the first instead of that last. could that break it? | 11:33 |
| iekku | i don't have any idea | 11:34 |
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| kimju | eddyb, is the partition numbers in original order? | 11:38 |
| eddyb | nope, that's what I said | 11:38 |
| eddyb | does it really matter? | 11:38 |
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| kimju | yes. the physical placement in the media does not, but the partition numbers yes. | 11:39 |
| eddyb | mmc init in uboot says "no mmc found" :| | 11:39 |
| kimju | as it tries to find the kernel and root fs from partition number X. | 11:39 |
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| eddyb | kimju: so, ext4 => 1, swap => 2, fat32 => 3? | 11:40 |
| kimju | if that is the original order then yes. | 11:40 |
| eddyb | how can I swap two partitions? | 11:42 |
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| kimju | by editing the partition table :) | 11:43 |
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| eddyb | like, I have fdisk open, what can I do to swap the first and the third partition? | 11:44 |
| kimju | probably easier to make backups, repartition the card and restore the files to new partitions (and filesystems) | 11:44 |
| eddyb | dammit | 11:44 |
| eddyb | why did you have that stupid order in the first place? | 11:45 |
| eddyb | it's not like you're going to want to expand the FAT32 partition... | 11:45 |
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| eddyb | http://superuser.com/questions/357105/linux-fdisk-change-order-of-partitions | 11:47 |
| eddyb | wait, does mer/Nemo use zypper? | 11:53 |
| eddyb | thank God, finally something decent, apt-get was killing me | 11:53 |
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| Tofe | Hi ! | 11:57 |
| Tofe | Now that my tegra2 tablet is repaired, I'm retrying to make nemo run on it | 11:58 |
| Tofe | But there seems to be a problem: it fails with the message "EGL_NOK_image_shared not found but trying to use capability" | 11:59 |
| Tofe | There are two things I don't know here: is this extension a requirement for Nemo ? Because I can run PlasmaActive with the same X server; and is there a way to list the EGL extensions of an X server ? | 12:01 |
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| Tofe | (and it's strange that this quite common extension isn't there in the Tegra2 implementation...) | 12:01 |
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| eddyb | kimju: I'm redoing the microSD, had to create the first partition small then expand it, to fit the space | 12:10 |
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| eddyb | kimju: microSD has now the same (physical and logical) order as the original | 12:46 |
| kimju | ok, does it work now? :) | 12:47 |
| eddyb | but mmc init in uboot still says it can't find a microSD card | 12:47 |
| kimju | what hardware? | 12:47 |
| eddyb | maybe I should try accessing the card in Maemo and see if it can read it | 12:47 |
| eddyb | N900 | 12:47 |
| kimju | is your back cover in place? | 12:48 |
| eddyb | yepp (not sure how it can detect it, but it's there) | 12:48 |
| kimju | there is small magnet embedded in the back cover. | 12:49 |
| kimju | next to the sd-card slot | 12:49 |
| eddyb | oh | 12:49 |
| eddyb | that might explain a thing or two, but not uboot failing to see the mmc | 12:50 |
| kimju | can you pastebin your cards partition table (fdisk -l) and the exact boot message from uboot? | 12:51 |
| eddyb | damn USB | 12:55 |
| eddyb | so I unplugged the phone from the charger, now mmc init can see the microSD | 12:55 |
| eddyb | but I still get the "kernel format imcompatible for bootm command" | 12:55 |
| eddyb | LULZ | 12:57 |
| eddyb | run mmcboot is borked | 12:57 |
| eddyb | but I can see the Nemo splashscreen if I let it boot | 12:57 |
| eddyb | now, dmesg-style errors: "hci_h4p: FW error / Sending firmware failed." | 12:58 |
| eddyb | hci is either bluetooth or usb, AFAIK | 12:59 |
| eddyb | kimju: ^^ | 12:59 |
| kimju | bluetooth. | 12:59 |
| kimju | H4+ is protocol to communicate with the bluetooth chip (over serial uart) | 12:59 |
| eddyb | it halts with that error on top of the splash screen | 13:00 |
| kimju | just wait a while | 13:00 |
| kimju | that by itself should not prevent it from booting | 13:00 |
| kimju | but if your sd card is *slow* the booting might take several minutes. | 13:00 |
| eddyb | actually, there's more above it: i2c_omap i2c_omap.2: controller timed out / isp_register_subdev_group: Unable to register subdev smia-sensor | 13:01 |
| eddyb | kimju: there is still a cursor blinking in that spot, and it's been five minutes since that error showed up | 13:02 |
| kimju | with a slow class 4 card (4GB), I've seen first boot taking up to 12 minutes before the desktop is shown and working | 13:02 |
| eddyb | first boot? | 13:02 |
| kimju | yes. | 13:02 |
| eddyb | maybe I should reset the ext4 partition and let it boot | 13:03 |
| kimju | there are some background tasks that are run at first boot. | 13:03 |
| eddyb | since I think it did two broken boots | 13:03 |
| eddyb | the FAT32 should be intact, I think | 13:03 |
| eddyb | now the microSD->SD adapter doesn't work with my laptop | 13:07 |
| eddyb | damn technology | 13:07 |
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| eddyb | from what dmesg is saying, this card is busted | 13:09 |
| eddyb | nevermind, it was acting up | 13:10 |
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| eddyb | kimju: take two, clean ext4, waiting for first boot to complete | 13:18 |
| eddyb | it would be great to have the partition layout changed to boot, swap, root - since boot and swap are going to stay that way, but one might want to extend root. also, if my experiment with 1GB microSD works, the image should be 1GB, with instructions on how to extend the ext4 to the full size of the microSD | 13:21 |
| eddyb | does pressing the power button during boot do anything other than displaying the log for a few seconds? | 13:22 |
| eddyb | kimju: is the root partition hardcoded into the kernel? | 13:25 |
| kimju | don't remember excatly where it was hardcoded | 13:27 |
| kimju | might be in the cmdline given by uboot, in kernel or in fstab. | 13:28 |
| eddyb | but you need the root partition for fstab | 13:29 |
| kimju | unless it is in initrd | 13:29 |
| eddyb | /dev/mmcblk0p1 / ext4 defaults,noatime 0 0 | 13:29 |
| eddyb | kimju: true | 13:29 |
| eddyb | also, it seems that it doesn't use the swap partition on the mmc. another waste of space | 13:30 |
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| eddyb | kimju: it doesn't have an initrd, and it doesn't have bootargs | 13:42 |
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| eddyb | anyway, that thing is still booting, but I'm afraid it's gonna make a mess, since it can't access the RTC | 13:44 |
| eddyb | (error about rtc0 before all the other messages I mentioned. it also thinks right now is the last hour of '69) | 13:45 |
| eddyb | kimju: it's an image specifically for N900, why is there a need for per-user first-boot-process? it's not like the hardware can vary, or something | 13:50 |
| eddyb | kimju: can we at least get a syslog progress? | 13:59 |
| Tofe | Mmmh is there, by any chance, a doc about QMeeGoExtensions ? | 14:12 |
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| Tofe | Nevermind my question: the answer isn't needed anymore :) | 14:31 |
| eddyb | wow, it's been more than an hour now and the screen of my N900 still hasn't changed | 14:31 |
| eddyb | seriously, more than 1h30 and it still shows the blue text | 14:56 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: this does not sound right at all | 15:20 |
| rcg1 | on n950 and n9 this screen only shows for some seconds | 15:21 |
| rcg1 | maybe try copying the rootfs again? | 15:21 |
| eddyb | rcg1: this is the second try, the rootfs is clean | 15:21 |
| eddyb | it's the dmesg screen, btw | 15:21 |
| eddyb | kimju told me that bluetooth error ("hci_h4p: FW error / Sending firmware failed.") is not fatal | 15:22 |
| kimju | well, it might prevent bluetooth from working, but shouldn't break anything else | 15:23 |
| eddyb | two hours and seven minutes | 15:25 |
| iekku | hmmm | 15:26 |
| iekku | i got my n900 up under 5 minutes with latest image | 15:26 |
| iekku | eddyb, still trying with that 1G card? | 15:27 |
| eddyb | yeah | 15:27 |
| iekku | so we are lacking error notes... :D | 15:27 |
| eddyb | I think the bluetooth thing is important, because that's the last thing printed, before this thing went into "log displaying mode" | 15:28 |
| eddyb | iekku: are you fucking kidding me? | 15:28 |
| iekku | :D | 15:28 |
| eddyb | tell me again how you need half a gigabyte for the first run | 15:28 |
| eddyb | or, rather, what do you need it for | 15:29 |
| eddyb | it's more like 200MB for me and 3GB for the original, but you understand what I mean | 15:29 |
| eddyb | what is it doing on the first run *anyway*? | 15:30 |
| eddyb | what is so use-case-dependent that it can't be done before uploading the image? | 15:30 |
| iekku | honestly, i'm not tech savy enough to give any reply | 15:30 |
| eddyb | rcg1, kimju: ? | 15:30 |
| eddyb | do you compute bitcoins that you then secretly send to yourselves after connecting to internet? | 15:31 |
| eddyb | do you have a contract with SETI@home? | 15:31 |
| iekku | :D | 15:32 |
| iekku | trying to check bug list if there's anything usefull | 15:34 |
| iekku | only was about n900 and bluetooth not working, but it seems that the nemo is running already | 15:37 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: well, actually, i dunno what's going wrong there.. it just seems that even half an hour is much too long | 15:37 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: also got an n900 here and want to revive it for playing even more with nemo but i am currently very short of time | 15:37 |
| rcg1 | sorry :/ | 15:37 |
| eddyb | rcg1: from what I understand, the microSD might be full. I am now curious what sort of first-time process is running | 15:38 |
| jaywalk | good to see some activity in here:) I tried nemo on a n900 the last few days. impressed compared to the initial meego n900 release of 2010! | 15:39 |
| iekku | jaywalk, hoping to get more people involved and get nemo alive :) | 15:40 |
| eddyb | jaywalk: you mean maemo? | 15:40 |
| jaywalk | iekku:) I might be interested in helping! | 15:40 |
| iekku | has been silent for so long | 15:40 |
| jaywalk | eddyb:) no, I mean meego. maemo is what it has always been running | 15:40 |
| iekku | jaywalk, nice to hear! | 15:40 |
| eddyb | jaywalk: ah, I've only gotten my N900 as a gift from a friend that no longer needs it, and it still has maemo | 15:42 |
| jaywalk | my next experiment will be trying nemo on my samsung Q1 ultra UMPC, that might be interesting:) | 15:42 |
| jaywalk | what has the x86 release been tried on so far? | 15:42 |
| iekku | my husband tried couple of weeks ago with exopc | 15:44 |
| jaywalk | alright, much newer hardware it seem:) | 15:45 |
| eddyb | so far I've only found /etc/cron.daily/prelink | 15:46 |
| jaywalk | iekku:) what's the status with nokia n9? I was figuring I might order one today or tomorrow for testing. they're dirt cheap here these days:) | 15:47 |
| eddyb | oooh | 15:47 |
| eddyb | wait | 15:47 |
| eddyb | sudo cp -R part1/* mmc-part1 | 15:47 |
| eddyb | that's what I did to copy the files | 15:47 |
| eddyb | would that preserve permissions as they were? | 15:47 |
| jaywalk | no, cp doesnt preserve permissions well. | 15:48 |
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| eddyb | crap, that might've been it | 15:50 |
| eddyb | so, uhm, how can I copy some data from an ext4 to another ext4 while preserving everything? | 15:50 |
| jaywalk | rsync is my weapon of choice:) | 15:51 |
| jaywalk | rsync -av src/ dest/ (beware of how rsync deals with trailing slashes) | 15:52 |
| rcg1 | uhm shouldn't "cp -a " preserve permissions? | 15:53 |
| jaywalk | rcg1:) yep, it should! I just default to rsync for almost anything:) | 15:54 |
| rcg1 | jaywalk: ;) | 15:54 |
| eddyb | rcg1: thanks | 15:55 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: yw :) | 15:56 |
| rcg1 | jaywalk: yeah, i should also familiarize more with rsync.. i just default to what i know by heart :) | 15:56 |
| jaywalk | rcg1:) that's always the best choice, what you know. but please do, rsync is a very handy tool:) | 15:59 |
| eddyb | hint: it writes /tmp/STATE | 16:00 |
| eddyb | what's timed? | 16:01 |
| eddyb | oh, I guess time.d | 16:01 |
| jaywalk | reading up on both mer and nemo, where do I subscribe to the mailing list? | 16:02 |
| eddyb | ok, ssh keys, that's ok for a first-time | 16:02 |
| eddyb | I guess it only managed to generate some ssh keys before it failed because of wrong permissions | 16:03 |
| jaywalk | I'm happy. the whole thing sounds exactly what I would be hoping for. especially if mer core can be held well synced with tizen! | 16:03 |
| eddyb | /tmp/STATE had "USER" in it | 16:04 |
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| eddyb | you might want to syslog anything that's broken with the first run | 16:07 |
| rcg1 | jaywalk: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists | 16:08 |
| eddyb | take three | 16:10 |
| eddyb | the screen went blank, and unlike the last time, I can't press anything to get syslog to show up | 16:11 |
| rcg1 | jaywalk: you will find the wiki pretty interesting in general ;) | 16:11 |
| eddyb | FUCK YEAH | 16:11 |
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| eddyb | desktop in a minute | 16:11 |
| eddyb | it actually took me less time on this crappy 1GB microSD | 16:11 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: that's how i remeber it.. it _should_ work quite quickly ;) | 16:11 |
| jaywalk | rcg1:) yes the wiki seem very well structured. thanks!:) | 16:12 |
| rcg1 | jaywalk: np :) | 16:12 |
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| eddyb | how the heck do I exit a window? | 16:19 |
| eddyb | I opened the settings and I can't get out | 16:19 |
| eddyb | rcg1: plz tell :D | 16:22 |
| jaywalk | in maemo ux? slide from the edge inwards | 16:23 |
| eddyb | it's sketchy on the resistive touchscreen N900 has | 16:24 |
| eddyb | jaywalk: thanks :D | 16:24 |
| eddyb | there's a full bar at the top, why can't they use that? | 16:26 |
| eddyb | damn UI devs :P | 16:26 |
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| eddyb_ | ohai | 16:30 |
| eddyb_ | nemo here | 16:30 |
| rcg1 | eddyb_: :) | 16:32 |
| eddyb | it's a bit sluggish because of the MMC, I guess | 16:34 |
| eddyb | I would install it to the built-in MMC, only if it wouldn't be this unstable | 16:40 |
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| rcg1 | eddyb: did you restart at least once? | 16:44 |
| eddyb | oh, should I have? | 16:45 |
| rcg1 | iirc the installation notes tell you to boot the device fully up, then restart | 16:45 |
| rcg1 | this should significantly improve the performance | 16:45 |
| rcg1 | just give it a try ;) | 16:45 |
| eddyb | so, there's no bluetooth and RTC on N900 | 16:46 |
| rcg1 | uhm on n900 bluetooth should work.. that's what i was told by someone at least | 16:47 |
| jaywalk | mine is not recognized in the ui or with hcitool dev | 16:47 |
| eddyb | ok, why isn't it booting now? | 16:47 |
| jaywalk | (re bluetooth) | 16:47 |
| rcg1 | try to look a little around in the settings | 16:47 |
| eddyb | like, second boot is similar to my failed take, when it just wouldn't go past the blue screen | 16:48 |
| eddyb | :( | 16:48 |
| eddyb | rcg1: why doesn't the first-boot-thingie reboot the device anyway? | 16:49 |
| eddyb | microsoft is smart enough to do that :P | 16:49 |
| rcg1 | hmm sounds strange | 16:49 |
| eddyb | wait, did it just shutdown? | 16:50 |
| rcg1 | hehe, yeah that could be the case | 16:50 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: btw, afaik, nemo is still in very much development.. so there may be still some quirks | 16:50 |
| eddyb | I know what that means | 16:51 |
| rcg1 | please correct me if i am mistaken guys and gals | 16:51 |
| eddyb | having worked on USB drivers - there's quirks everywhere :P | 16:51 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: alright :) | 16:51 |
| eddyb | it looks like I managed to shut it down at the blue screen, without taking out the battery | 16:52 |
| eddyb | still halts there | 16:52 |
| eddyb | it shuts down if I hold the power button long enough | 16:52 |
| eddyb | rcg1: lol, why is /home/nemo 500 500 instead of 1000 1000? | 16:55 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: dunno.. i am not that deep into the details yet ;) | 16:56 |
| eddyb | lets see if chown 1000:1000 fixed that | 16:56 |
| eddyb | yeah, looks like it | 16:57 |
| eddyb | hopefully it won't happen every time I reboot it | 16:57 |
| eddyb | finally, zypper on that toy | 17:01 |
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| eddyb | note to self: don't open the back-side of the phone while it's using the MMC | 17:19 |
| eddyb | I managed to freeze Nemo | 17:19 |
| eddyb | the good news is that there are no more problems, it booted just fine | 17:20 |
| jaywalk | great! | 17:22 |
| eddyb | but... what's Mad Developer? | 17:23 |
| eddyb | (bug report: some icons are actually colored squares, maybe you're missing something from the image?) | 17:23 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: lol... you just disconnected the mmc this way :) | 17:25 |
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| rcg1 | eddyb: wrt to the icon.. that should be the calendar app | 17:25 |
| rcg1 | and that's already fixed :) | 17:25 |
| rcg1 | at least in git ;) | 17:25 |
| eddyb | it's not only the calendar app | 17:26 |
| eddyb | loads of things everywhere | 17:26 |
| rcg1 | uhh.. uhmk | 17:26 |
| eddyb | the terminal app | 17:26 |
| rcg1 | that shouldn't be the case | 17:26 |
| eddyb | has a toggle and a button on the right, both appear as squares | 17:26 |
| rcg1 | i also used the latest image and this didn't show that issue.. at least on n950 | 17:26 |
| eddyb | People, when adding a new contact | 17:26 |
| rcg1 | hmm ic | 17:26 |
| eddyb | rcg1: but that's not the same image as me ;) | 17:26 |
| rcg1 | eddyb: ah, alright :) | 17:27 |
| jaywalk | eddyb:) I have the same when adding people, a few red squares. but tbh I'm amazed that it boots, takes less than 15 minutes to do so, and can actually make calls:D | 17:27 |
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| jaywalk | there's lots of quirks and bugs, but it is sort of usable as it is, at least from a developers standpoint. now just to iron out those quirks I guess?:) | 17:28 |
| eddyb | whatever MadDeveloper is, it breaks everything when it's ran | 17:30 |
| eddyb | and it doesn't display any new window | 17:30 |
| eddyb | crap, now I have to fix /home/nemo again | 17:30 |
| eddyb | so, lesson learned, don't touch MadDeveloper | 17:30 |
| rcg1 | aint maddeveloper that thingie to access your device via usb networking etc? | 17:35 |
| rcg1 | never tried it though | 17:35 |
| eddyb | so, I'll keep Nemo around, but it's not as usable as Maemo | 17:47 |
| eddyb | I was in now-defunct hobby OS project, and the other dev had a beagleboard. he managed to get it running on that, and I'm thinking if it's this easy to have an uImage boot on the N900, I'll try with the said OS | 17:48 |
| eddyb | maybe this will be a reason for me to revive that project :D | 17:49 |
| rcg1 | alright guys n gals.. gotta hit the road.. bbl | 17:59 |
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