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| Sage | marquiz: drop the Makefile from that. Also Requires: popt isn't needed please remove it. | 09:10 |
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| faenil | guys how can I reuse images from qtcomponents? | 11:54 |
| faenil | like qtg_graf_drill_down_indicator | 11:54 |
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| d3llf | how can i switch applications in nemo? | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | gesture at bottom upwards | 14:34 |
| d3llf | on n900 ... | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | same there | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | move your finger to the bottom of the screen in the orientation you're in, move a bit outside the screen bottom, and run finger upwards in a fast motion | 14:36 |
| d3llf | and i have only settings and x button - am i doing it right? | 14:38 |
| d3llf | ok, got it | 14:38 |
| d3llf | don't know how ;) | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | d3llf: crazy question, where are you from in poland? | 14:39 |
| d3llf | warsaw | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | ah, me too actually | 14:39 |
| d3llf | lol :> | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | though i'm a foreigner living here | 14:39 |
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| d3llf | Stskeeps: know hackerspace? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, no? | 14:39 |
| d3llf | check hackerspace.pl | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | i've been meaning to get more in touch with the local linux/hacker scene, but always considered language a barrier | 14:40 |
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| d3llf | no problem there | 14:40 |
| d3llf | if you want to come by - check if anyone is in there before (at.hackerspace.pl) | 14:40 |
| d3llf | thursdays are generally for new peoples | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | looks interesting | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | smoku of cordia fame is also located here in wars | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | aw | 14:42 |
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| d3llf | Stskeeps: i don't know him, but as far as i know, some peoples from brama laboratory at PW (warsaw institute of technology) are playing with mobiles (as the laboratory itself is sponsored by t-mobile) | 14:44 |
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| d3llf | if you're interested ask rysiek|pl | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:45 |
| d3llf | he's keeping the place ;) | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | i am/been doing mobile OS development professionally as well | 14:45 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: i started from the os administration basics to play with my n900, but personally i'm total newbie in mobile technologies | 14:46 |
| d3llf | but personally know some mob-developers (rather android / iphone) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's actually not so bad getting into :) | 14:47 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: time is essence ;) | 14:47 |
| Stskeeps | nemo's great as it's a full stack that's open source to play with | 14:47 |
| d3llf | i rather like to spent some time with virtualization or my desktop linux to play with | 14:47 |
| d3llf | because i'm rather not into programming | 14:47 |
| d3llf | max are bash scripts, somtimes patching c sources ;) | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | i developed the n900 stuff for ages and i didn't really code that much ;) | 14:49 |
| d3llf | so by developing you mean porting? ;) | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's part of it, there's a lot of red tape to get things working at times :P | 14:49 |
| * Stskeeps reads wiki | 14:49 | |
| d3llf | ok, so one of first questions: do you know internals of n900 much? | 14:50 |
| d3llf | how fast is internal storage? | 14:50 |
| d3llf | faster than class 10 mmc? | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | i think we measured it to be approximately class 6 | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | i was the n900 hardware adaptation maintainer in the meego, so, fairly well :) | 14:51 |
| d3llf | from first view i see that freemantle run much smoother than meego | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | on some points - graphics is faster in meego | 14:52 |
| d3llf | i mean ui | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle has more smoke and mirrors to make things look faster | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | like preloading of applications, etc | 14:52 |
| d3llf | prelink? | 14:52 |
| d3llf | or some other methods? | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | no, actually preloading a bunch of things in memory :) | 14:52 |
| Stskeeps | so apps were always around | 14:53 |
| d3llf | ok, first two things: how to get to the console, and install some packages? | 14:54 |
| d3llf | \second - install some packages | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | there's a x-terminal if you swipe to the right | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | er, swipe to the left | 14:54 |
| d3llf | i'm totally not into these gestures | 14:54 |
| d3llf | but give it a try ... | 14:54 |
| d3llf | ;) | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 14:54 |
| d3llf | is there some videos how to do them correctly? | 14:55 |
| d3llf | because i have lot of "miss" | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | if you're in the app launcher menu, you can 'pan' to next page of apps | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | ie, put finger on display and move it to the left | 14:55 |
| d3llf | ok, got it | 14:56 |
| d3llf | so i read that mego switched to rpm? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes, mer and nemo is rpm based | 14:56 |
| d3llf | as freemantle was based on apt? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | fremantle (and harmattan actually) is deb based yes | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | in practice it doesn't really matter that much | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | as it's the same softwares that run | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | instead of apt-get, we have zypper | 14:57 |
| d3llf | ok, can i do 'tab'? | 14:58 |
| d3llf | in term? | 14:58 |
| d3llf | can you point me to some nemo-newbie guide? | 14:59 |
| d3llf | is there any? | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | there's not really any.. we have a walkthrough on youtube | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eak4T649uDg&feature=youtu.be | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | d3llf: we also have nemo for virtual machine/virtualbox, btw | 15:03 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: right now i'm cut off from my virtual server on hackerspace - waiting for some other admin to make routes for me so i can back work on it | 15:04 |
| d3llf | and second thing is that i don't have any visual connection to it yet | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:05 |
| d3llf | it's custom-administrated kvm host | 15:05 |
| d3llf | with some hackish scripts ;) | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | when i was studying in denmark we had a hackerspace kind of thing at the dorm too, where we took care of the network and helped people with computers | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | i've also been a bit attached to the culture surrounding tampere, finland hackspace as well | 15:06 |
| d3llf | it's main purpose is to deploy quite fast some vm's for different network configurations testing | 15:06 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: i think you'll like hs-waw ;) | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | i'm definately interested in the hackerspace, think i'll show up thursday and see how things go | 15:07 |
| d3llf | you can check #hackerspace-pl on freenode btw | 15:07 |
| Stskeeps | also joined the channel earlier ;) | 15:07 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4739 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4739 | 15:07 |
| d3llf | i'll not be at this weekend, as i'm going to the infoshare conference, but i'll try to be on next thursday or weekend (lot of pay-job rutines during weekdays) | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:09 |
| d3llf | right now i must sit in home, because guys from infrastructure department are doing upgrades, so i must be on duty | 15:11 |
| d3llf | if my system will fall down, we'll have to go to the DC and do the 'magic things' ;) | 15:12 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4738 Rejected promotion request | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe :) | 15:13 |
| d3llf | http://mobiledeveloper.pl/ is one of my friends project (Łukasz Anwajler) | 15:14 |
| d3llf | brb | 15:14 |
| * Stskeeps bookmarks | 15:15 | |
| Stskeeps | will be going to http://2012.front-trends.com/ here in warsaw next thursday as well - part of the work we do over in #mer / merproject.org might be quite interesting to many frontend designers | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | as we make the burden of mobile system making a lot easier | 15:16 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: rather not in my type-conference (front-trends) | 15:19 |
| d3llf | as i'm totally not into u-i things | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, not so me either, but someone has to stay in the engine room | 15:19 |
| d3llf | yup | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | and knowing how frontend designers work and think help understand the needs they'll put on the engine room ;) | 15:20 |
| d3llf | ok, back to my questions: is there some howto deploy nemo on internal storage? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | you typically don't want to do that | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | the reason for this is that for most scenarios, the microsd usage is just saner | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | and cleaning up the mess when you misstep while installing to internal storage is something not pleasant over irc :) | 15:34 |
| d3llf | sorry, was afk | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | no problem :) | 15:35 |
| d3llf | lot of things going on | 15:36 |
| d3llf | but things in DC looking good so maybe i'll even go out at evening ;) | 15:36 |
| d3llf | btw it's funny thing, that as far as i remember lot of of hackerspace.pl peoples (at least 5) have n900 phones ;) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i've seen them around town a bit too | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | and still in shops some places (euro agd) | 15:40 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: especially it's quite cheap now for smartphone ( or 'tablet' as nokia classified it (; ) | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | and quite capable, hackable | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | i think n900 is probably one of the cheapest and most hackable around, from a linux pov | 15:41 |
| d3llf | i bought mine for 500pln | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 15:42 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: true, that was my main motive to buy it | 15:42 |
| d3llf | about 2-3 months ago (can't recall right now) | 15:42 |
| * Stskeeps looks at shelf | 15:42 | |
| Stskeeps | couple of semi-dead nokia 770s, two n800's, one n810, n900, n950, n9 | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'll probably end up donating some of the older ones at some point when i give up ever doing anything productive with them again | 15:44 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: it is normal, that my mobile is warmer, than with fremantle? | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes, fremantle's power management was significantly better | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | but trust me, we're much better than 'no power management; | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | that could keep you warm in winter :) | 15:45 |
| d3llf | wow, ~30% user proc | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | which one is going amok? | 15:45 |
| d3llf | brb | 15:45 |
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| d3llf | ok, back | 15:56 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: mainly terminal, sysuid, pulseaudio and Xorg | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so nothing too abnormal | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | are you charging at same time? | 16:00 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: yes | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | that's why - animation for the charger :) | 16:00 |
| d3llf | lol | 16:00 |
| d3llf | _-_ | 16:00 |
| d3llf | ok, probably i will mount partition and start to hack a little bit | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | i will recommend you to install Mer platform SDK as a start | 16:02 |
| d3llf | first thing i will want to try is securing this box ;) | 16:02 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: not a good idea since only thing i'm using is atom n270 under which i'm building kde4.8 (gentoo) '_' | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | should be fine :) | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | it's a chroot | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | it's so you can build images | 16:04 |
| d3llf | ok, first thing i wanted to start is securing this box | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:05 |
| d3llf | and by securing i mean encrypthing whole thing | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, that should be a fun excersise :) | 16:06 |
| d3llf | so ... where can i get some info how bootloader & things are working under nemo? | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | we have u-boot that gets loaded by NOLO (a closed source nokia loader), which loads a linux kernel in uImage format from sd card | 16:07 |
| d3llf | ok, so clostest thing will be to look at kernel | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 16:07 |
| d3llf | doh ... no ext4 _-_ | 16:08 |
| d3llf | sure, as / is btrfs ... ;) | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:09 |
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| d3llf | ok, no hugepages in kernel for ext4 ... | 16:12 |
| d3llf | no idea what for hugepages option for mobile device root fs ... :\ | 16:13 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: know any secure-card readers on for n900? | 16:15 |
| d3llf | or it is maybe doable by compiling in-kernel devices, pkcs-utils, etc and doing like in normal kernel? | 16:16 |
| Stskeeps | secure-card? | 16:18 |
| d3llf | no, smart-card | 16:18 |
| d3llf | emv | 16:18 |
| d3llf | ciphering | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think so | 16:19 |
| d3llf | don't know any n900 usb specifications - could i use any usb device trough micro-usb<->female type-a? | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | there is usb host mode hack thing.. but i don't think it works on newer kernels | 16:22 |
| d3llf | is there any nokia n900 detailed hardware spec? | 16:23 |
| d3llf | available? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's schematics you can grab if you google a bit | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, i gotta run for some hours - we're picking up my mother in law from outside warsaw | 16:25 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 16:25 |
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| d3llf | Stskeeps: thx, cu | 16:27 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4740 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4740 | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | crap weather today | 18:09 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: yup | 18:14 |
| d3llf | but ... hey ... i like rain! | 18:14 |
| d3llf | ;) | 18:14 |
| d3llf | Stskeeps: is this nemo sdk contain kernel sources and init? | 18:15 |
| d3llf | is nemo kernel consist any initrd/ramfs in itself? | 18:15 |
| d3llf | ok, got it - no initrd | 18:21 |
| d3llf | for kernel build instructions i should look somewhere @ OBS? | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | mer sdk just gives you generic tools you need to work with mer and mer based systems | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | and yeah, OBS | 18:23 |
| d3llf | ok i will have to spent some time to look around what is what: mer, meego, community build, n900 and head starts to spinning ;) | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | start at merproject.org, it frames things a bit :) | 18:27 |
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| d3llf | bede sobie musial jakis filtr na yt; jp{e}g/png/gif/itp. zalozyc, bo sie za bardzo rozpraszam | 19:10 |
| d3llf | sry ;) | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | you must maybe filter out jpeg, png, gif, ip .. something | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:11 |
| d3llf | yup | 19:11 |
| d3llf | because it deconcentrates me ;) | 19:12 |
| d3llf | and youtube | 19:12 |
| d3llf | on irc | 19:12 |
| * Stskeeps had two levels of polish but isn't terribly good in it :P | 19:12 | |
| d3llf | you have to drink more vodka <; | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | i've tried, it helps a little ;) | 19:13 |
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