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| Sage_ | vgrade: there is connman-test script that has that functionality as well | 02:19 |
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| Sage_ | it was in connman-test(s) package | 02:19 |
| Sage_ | cant recall exactly but "/test/location/connman-tests enable wifi" or something for example | 02:20 |
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| vgrade | Sage_ thanks | 06:06 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 06:18 |
| vgrade | m4g0g hi | 06:19 |
| m4g0g | I have some question about nemo on n900. | 06:19 |
| m4g0g | Is it right place for this? | 06:20 |
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| m4g0g | I'm from russia and as it possible want to halp with russian localization of nemo. How I can help with this? | 06:25 |
| m4g0g | it's first | 06:26 |
| vgrade | m4g0g, yes right place | 06:28 |
| vgrade | let me have a look on the wiki | 06:28 |
| vgrade | contribution always appreciated | 06:28 |
| m4g0g | can you give me a link? | 06:29 |
| vgrade | Sage_ nice one, working now | 06:29 |
| vgrade | m4 sec | 06:29 |
| m4g0g | the next question - how about energy consumption on N900 with Nemo? | 06:30 |
| m4g0g | and the last - what is the problem with porting application from Hartmann to Nemo? | 06:31 |
| vgrade | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Backlog that talks about translation ping xruxa on this channel | 06:33 |
| vgrade | m4g0g what about energy consumption? | 06:34 |
| m4g0g | How long does N900 work from one charge with Nemo? | 06:35 |
| vgrade | m4g0g some harmatten appplications run unmodified on the n900 others will just require rebuilding on OBS. | 06:35 |
| m4g0g | and this is all? | 06:35 |
| vgrade | ah ok I don't know if there is testing on that at the moment. There used to be in MeeGo | 06:35 |
| m4g0g | only rebuild? | 06:35 |
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| m4g0g | what about games? | 06:36 |
| vgrade | depends on the application | 06:36 |
| vgrade | there are some games written for harmatten which run unmodified on n900 | 06:37 |
| m4g0g | perfect | 06:37 |
| m4g0g | ok | 06:38 |
| m4g0g | ok. About translation I understand. today or tomorrow I will try to install nemo on my n900. Where can I find good instruction for this? | 06:39 |
| m4g0g | ou. One more question. I've saw some videos about Nemo on N900. Is it really so fast? | 06:40 |
| vgrade | yes performance is good | 06:41 |
| m4g0g | one news better then other | 06:41 |
| vgrade | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Nemo_Mobile | 06:42 |
| vgrade | link for installing is there | 06:42 |
| m4g0g | I'am a programmer in C++ and Qt. May be my skills will be useful for Nemo? | 06:43 |
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| Stskeeps | m4g0g: for sure :) | 06:52 |
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| domedan | is there any non-free software in nemo? if yes, where can I find info about that? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | domedan: so, Nemo consists of UI, Hardware adaptation and Core | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | Core is Mer, so fully open source | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | UI is open source too, though the darko theme is not for commercial usage | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | hardware adaptations may have non-free but redistribution allowed | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | but those parts are independent | 09:53 |
| domedan | ok, so the hardware driver are non-free? are does included in the nemo image: nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-0.20120315.1.NEMO.2012-03-19.1 ? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | on X86, we don't use non-free and we have full UI up, too | 10:00 |
| domedan | alright, where can I find out about what is non-free in that image? | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | you can take a peek at build.pub.meego.com -> projects -> CE:Adaptation:N900 and CE:Adaptation:N9xx-common | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | and that's it | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, some of it might not be non-free as it's the entire adaptation there | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | but you can look inside packages to see | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | battery management, opengl es is closed source, some firmware | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | some pulseaudio algorithms | 10:08 |
| m4g0g | Stskeeps: may be you know - how long does n900 work under Nemo with onew battery charge? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | m4g0g: i can't recall numbers but it really depends on usage | 10:12 |
| m4g0g | is it approximately on n900 with maemo& | 10:14 |
| m4g0g | ? | 10:14 |
| m4g0g | as on n900 with maemo* | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | maemo is a production software, nemo is less so | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | but i think we have pretty good battery life | 10:14 |
| m4g0g | wow | 10:15 |
| domedan | Stskeeps: thank you for that information! gonna check out those packages | 10:15 |
| m4g0g | I want to try use Nemo as default | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | ie, people were able to use it on a daily basis | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | domedan: what do you hope to be doing, out of curiousity? | 10:15 |
| m4g0g | Stskeeps: what concerns hardware - are there any problems with it in Nemo? Wifi, sound, gsm, gps, camera, vibro, sensor, etc | 10:17 |
| m4g0g | ? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | m4g0g: some, yeah | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | m4g0g: give it a try and see if you like it or not, really | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | on a microsd so there's no harm done to your maemo | 10:18 |
| m4g0g | I try it and this is not depend on your answer | 10:18 |
| domedan | Stskeeps: I just would like to know what parts are non-free, I dont like using software that users can look at the source what it is doing | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | domedan: sure | 10:19 |
| m4g0g | I want to know what problems has Nemo | 10:19 |
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| Stskeeps | m4g0g: plenty, it's not a finished product :) | 10:28 |
| m4g0g | How can I contribute to project? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo lists a lot of nice material | 10:30 |
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| m4g0g | Is there anybody who use Nemo in daily basis? | 10:38 |
| jukkaeklund | m4g0g, cant really say that, but are you looking for some specific information? | 10:50 |
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| m4g0g | jukkaeklund: I see list of bugs and part of them - crytical, imho. | 10:54 |
| m4g0g | Due to I ask about it | 10:54 |
| jukkaeklund | yeah, bugs are quite technical often | 10:54 |
| jukkaeklund | to your list, other than vibra and gps there is functionality | 10:55 |
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| jukkaeklund | but all areas have issues, if you look at it from a end-user point | 10:55 |
| m4g0g | but they are not so crytical | 10:56 |
| jukkaeklund | define what is critical :) | 10:57 |
| m4g0g | the main device fuctions | 10:59 |
| m4g0g | such as calls, vibro, sound, wifi, gps and others | 10:59 |
| jukkaeklund | yeah | 11:00 |
| jukkaeklund | all of those except vibra and gps work, so that enables you to fix things or develop something new | 11:01 |
| jukkaeklund | but if you expect it to work like maemo, you will be frustrated | 11:01 |
| m4g0g | I understand | 11:02 |
| m4g0g | I want to help to rich this level | 11:02 |
| jukkaeklund | thats nice, you could think which area you want to help on | 11:08 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, so no nemo sync this week? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: i'll hold one next week, got a bit sidetracked today | 11:09 |
| jukkaeklund | ok, and utc times moved or? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | i think we can probably adjust them a bit too, yes | 11:10 |
| m4g0g | jukkaeklund: first of all I want to help with russian localization and then with fixing bugs | 11:11 |
| jukkaeklund | sounds good | 11:11 |
| jukkaeklund | I think there was some russian localization already | 11:12 |
| jukkaeklund | stskeeps, I mean finnish time moved +1 but your meeting times are same.. | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes, mine did too | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | i'll probably adjust them accordingly | 11:13 |
| jukkaeklund | right, because I just looked at UTC times | 11:13 |
| m4g0g | jukkaeklund: yes. But as I know - it is very bad | 11:14 |
| jukkaeklund | ah ok | 11:14 |
| jukkaeklund | would be great to have russian location, and maybe get more people joining in russia alos | 11:15 |
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| faenil | mmm I have seen very low activity during last month..no releases, no meetings, no updates on github... | 12:46 |
| faenil | what happened? did I miss something? | 12:46 |
| w00t | nokia no longer devote time to the project, and I (at least) don't have the spare time to work on stuff atm | 12:50 |
| faenil | I see...so veskuh is officially away? | 12:51 |
| anYc | :/ | 12:53 |
| faenil | w00t, or were you working as a Nokia partner too? | 12:53 |
| w00t | nopw | 12:54 |
| w00t | nope* | 12:54 |
| faenil | ok | 12:54 |
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| Sage | anyone have the latest nemo build running on exopc and have mer-gfx-tests installed and could run eglinfo for me and pastebin the result? :) | 17:19 |
| vgrade | hey Sage, thanks for the connman tip works a treat now | 17:25 |
| Sage | vgrade: you are welcome. Glad that I could help. | 17:27 |
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| vgrade | Sage, don't know what the plasma guys are going to use but they have networkmanager nearly working. Its detecting the networks but is has a permission issue on connect | 17:34 |
| Sage | they probably need to remove connman | 17:37 |
| Sage | connman handles rfkill as well and locks the devices on poweroff | 17:38 |
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| vgrade | Sage, yea they spent a while with connman enabled and wondered why thing were not working | 18:36 |
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| Sage | vgrade: yes I faced the same problem about a week ago or so and started to investigate things | 19:46 |
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