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| NIN101 | in Menu -> Settings -> Connections -> WiFi, can somebody chose a WPA2 network, and as a PSK type: "72s30jjKx" - on my device, the dialog crashes. N900. | 13:08 |
| NIN101 | hmm, strange. not always... | 13:16 |
| Sage | NIN101: hmmp... can you check what is written to /home/nemo/.xsession-errors when the applet crashes? | 13:17 |
| * Sage though that he already fixed that bug :/ | 13:18 | |
| NIN101 | ok one moment... | 13:19 |
| NIN101 | ---> /home/nemo/controlpanel-applets.logundecodable token: \001b(hex)[?1034h ; undecodable token: \001b(hex)[?1034h | 13:22 |
| Sage | ummm... can you pastebin more like 20 last lines | 13:28 |
| NIN101 | well let me redirect the output to a file then and reboot to maemo, as I don't have WiFi now on nemo :-) | 13:32 |
| NIN101 | Sage: I don't see much related to this error, but...: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZCrZi9iJ | 13:41 |
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| Sage | hmmp... have you changed lang settings? | 14:05 |
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| NIN101 | No, I didn't. | 14:12 |
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| Netweaver | Afternoon everyone, someone hehere who can help locally compiling the Nemo Mobile N900 kernel ? Or can help expedite my OBS build account ? | 14:19 |
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| faenil | afternoon :) | 14:29 |
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| Netweaver | No kernel specialists around/actively reading ? | 14:56 |
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| Sage | Netweaver: one way is to do osc branch and check out the package locally and use osc build to build it | 17:57 |
| Sage | lbt, Stskeeps: my flight leaves 17:55 tomorrow btw. So we are probably leaving around 15:00 from here or something. | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 18:15 |
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| Netweaver_ | sage: that was my first plan but i'm waiting for my obs account, so i wanted to try the manual way while waiting. but lots of issues with compiling ... | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | er, Sage ok | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | Netweaver_: anyone who can enable your obs account is in fosdem atm :) | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | ask tuesday | 18:30 |
| Venemo | heya :) | 18:31 |
| * Venemo finally has the time to try Nemo on his ideapad | 18:31 | |
| Netweaver_ | stskeeps: i was fearing that. i could have joined u guys in brussels, living only 50 km away ... | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | Netweaver_: yeah, you should come next year :) | 18:32 |
| Netweaver_ | if life events allow, i'll be there. hands were itching but (still) significant other objected ... | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | for my first fosdem i took my wife along :P | 18:38 |
| Netweaver_ | mine doesn't even think abt that. anyway, next yr could be totally different constellation... | 18:40 |
| timoph | does maemo.org work for you? | 18:44 |
| timoph | for me it looks like it's missing css | 18:45 |
| timoph | and all images | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: rule of thumb: x-fade is on holiday, maemo.org crasehs | 18:48 |
| timoph | :) | 18:48 |
| Venemo | my Nemo installation says: "Started Read-Ahead Data Collection". and it's been doing this for quite some time now. is this normal? | 18:54 |
| * timoph guesses no | 18:55 | |
| Venemo | now the screen went blank and it's not reacting to any input | 18:56 |
| timoph | n900 ? | 18:56 |
| Venemo | nope, ideapad | 18:56 |
| timoph | ah | 18:56 |
| Venemo | I booted from USB and chose to install it | 18:56 |
| timoph | latest image? | 18:56 |
| Venemo | yep | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: ah, yes, don't use the install option there | 18:57 |
| timoph | I can try it on exopc if it works for me or not | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | boot the image first | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | then run installer-shell | 18:57 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, oookay | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | report a bug please! | 18:57 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, is this a Nemo-specific bug or I should put it into the Mer bugzilla? | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's nemo | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | as it's hw adaptation | 18:59 |
| Venemo | so other x86 hw adaptations don't have this bug? | 19:00 |
| Venemo | :O | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | nemo provides -the- x86 adaptation | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:01 |
| Venemo | srsly? | 19:02 |
| Venemo | ok. | 19:02 |
| Venemo | wifi also doesn't work. :( | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | that may be general ideapad problem | 19:02 |
| Venemo | yay, it has IRC Chatter :) | 19:03 |
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| Venemo | but VKB is buggy :( | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: btw, ovi maps is a lying piece of shit :) the road that i had to turn at is not called grassmarkt, it's kiekenmarkt :P | 19:05 |
| * Sage should remove the install option from the usb stick menu as we don't have it | 19:05 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: :D | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | which leads into grassmarkt | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | so, i went to sightsee a bit more of the grand place area | 19:05 |
| Sage | hehe | 19:05 |
| Sage | :P | 19:05 |
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| Venemo | hrm, but wifi used to work even on that old MeeGo netbook build | 19:07 |
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| Stskeeps | Venemo: it was a bit awkward at times | 19:08 |
| Venemo | not just used to, it still works :) | 19:08 |
| Venemo | maybe it needs some closed-source blob? | 19:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, maybe | 19:15 |
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| Venemo | hm | 19:17 |
| Venemo | Plasma Active image is even worse | 19:17 |
| Venemo | well, nothing new at the end of the day, but I'm still a bit sad. | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | works quite well on exopc | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | i'll try nemo on my ideapad when i' mhome | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | we're all at fosdem so | 19:18 |
| Venemo | :) | 19:18 |
| Venemo | well, Nemo is nice except for the wifi issue | 19:18 |
| Venemo | but Active is non-responsive and a bit ugly. | 19:19 |
| Venemo | also, why's the screen flashing in red sometimes in Nemo? | 19:22 |
| Sage | Venemo: that is bug in mtf and AFAIK it is in upstream as well | 19:24 |
| Venemo | I see | 19:24 |
| Venemo | well then, I'll keep on using that old netbook build on the ideapad :P | 19:24 |
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| Sage | Venemo: IIRC some of the ideapads requires prorietary binary blob for wlan | 19:27 |
| Sage | some of them were shipped with broadcom and some of them with atheros chips | 19:27 |
| Sage | atheros has upstream OSS support and it is included AFAIK in nemo builds | 19:27 |
| Sage | broadcom one need some firmware or something that we might be missing | 19:27 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: when your flight was tomorrow btw? | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | 19.20 it seems | 19:29 |
| Sage | ah, ok. | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | i might go earlier anyway | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | just not sure if i can check in that early | 19:30 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90 | 19:30 |
| Sage | Venemo: thx | 19:30 |
| Venemo | shall I report the bug about the wifi and the vkb as well? | 19:31 |
| Sage | Venemo: the vkb is there already | 19:31 |
| Venemo | ok | 19:31 |
| Sage | Venemo: https://bugs.maliit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18 | 19:31 |
| Sage | Venemo: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/tmp/20120112-164807.png <- so something like this ? :) | 19:31 |
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| Venemo | nope, not at all | 19:32 |
| Venemo | but the cause seems to be the same | 19:32 |
| Sage | :nod: | 19:32 |
| Venemo | when I press a key on the VKB, the pressed key remains "floating" in the background behind the vkb | 19:32 |
| Venemo | a redraw could as well be the cause of this | 19:34 |
| Sage | Venemo: yes that is the same issue | 19:34 |
| * Sage goes to walk around brussels for an hour or so before going to sleep. | 19:36 | |
| Stskeeps | have a good walk | 19:36 |
| Venemo | ok, you have https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91 too | 19:36 |
| Sage | Venemo: ok, for that you should check if your device has broadcom or atheros wifi chip. | 19:37 |
| Venemo | Sage, ok, how do I check that? | 19:38 |
| Sage | Venemo: probably written on th bottom of the device in some sticker? or maybe lspci says when running linux? | 19:38 |
| * Sage goes now. | 19:38 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: thx | 19:38 |
| Venemo | Sage, I'll boot that old meego netbook build and run an lspci | 19:38 |
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| Venemo | Sage, it's broadcom | 19:40 |
| Venemo | added a comment about it | 19:41 |
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| Netweaver_ | sage: stskeeps: i raised a bug last week on a kernel problem identifying certain sd cards. can i keep that bug ? wanna have a go at it, that's why i'm needing that obs account ... :) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | Netweaver_: msg lbt/x-fade your meego.com login | 19:44 |
| Netweaver_ | will do. irc or mail ? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | irc | 19:49 |
| Venemo | anyway, have a nice evening folks :) bye | 20:00 |
| faenil | bye :) | 20:00 |
| Venemo | one more question! | 20:00 |
| Venemo | would Nemo work on those OMAP3 Archos tablets? including wifi and GPU acceleration? | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | if ou make it.. | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:01 |
| Venemo | eh | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | i think kernel version might be a bit old | 20:02 |
| Venemo | I haven't a clue about low-level development to make a hw adaptation. | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | exactly, and those of us who does don't have much time :P | 20:02 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 20:02 |
| wmarone_ | Venemo: it's tough! :D | 20:03 |
| Venemo | I'm just another GUI developer | 20:03 |
| faenil | I have archos g9, omap4430, and the PlasmaActive-Mer based image is already available | 20:04 |
| Venemo | faenil, Plasma Active has repeatedly failed my expectations, so I won't bother with it for another few months again | 20:05 |
| faenil | I tried it on n950 and it was very smooth, don't know what you tried | 20:05 |
| faenil | and Plasma Active 2.0 was released in December | 20:05 |
| faenil | anyway, about the Archos, they're waiting for Archos to release the IceCreamSandwich firmware which should include v3 kernel | 20:06 |
| faenil | because wifi and hw acc is not working atm | 20:06 |
| faenil | (was hw acc working on the unit you tried it on?) | 20:06 |
| Venemo | I tried on the Lenovo Ideapad | 20:07 |
| Venemo | well, if you count the Intel graphics as hw acc, then yes. | 20:08 |
| faenil | I meant was the system using hw acc to draw ui? | 20:08 |
| faenil | that's what matters | 20:08 |
| Venemo | I think so. I didn't check, and it didn't complain. | 20:08 |
| faenil | there's nothing to complain about, if they know it's not working :) | 20:09 |
| Venemo | well, Nemo was very smooth on it | 20:09 |
| faenil | I know, but that's different, Nemo has another hw adapt I guess | 20:10 |
| Venemo | according to Stskeeps, Nemo has _the_ x86 adaptation. | 20:10 |
| Venemo | anyway, actually apart from the wifi which wasn't working (thx Broadcom) and some minor UI glitches, it was a quite nice experience | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | PA has their indexing issue which means a lot of I/O at first startup | 20:10 |
| faenil | that too | 20:11 |
| Venemo | PA's GUI is not suited for touchscreen use | 20:11 |
| faenil | it was thought for tablets afaik | 20:12 |
| Venemo | yeah, I'm glad you see the irony | 20:13 |
| faenil | anyway, if you had a bad experience, I'm not here to convince you otherwise, just wanted to let you know that the firmware and the platform you tried it on could be the issue | 20:13 |
| Venemo | when I tap on the volume button, a window pops up with menus and small buttons. that's unsuited for touchscreen usage and is not dependand on my platform :) | 20:13 |
| Venemo | anyway, this is OT. | 20:13 |
| faenil | :) | 20:14 |
| Venemo | but the Nemo guys may feel better knowing that they're (lots) better than PA :) | 20:14 |
| faenil | sure :) I don't like many things about PA, just wanted to know that when I tried it it has always been smooth :) | 20:15 |
| faenil | wanted you to know* | 20:15 |
| Venemo | ok :) | 20:15 |
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| faenil | so many special cases for a nice pinch to zoom :) | 20:19 |
| Venemo | faenil, by the way, what are you developing which needs this nice pinch-to-zoom thing? | 20:20 |
| faenil | Nemo's imageviewer :) | 20:21 |
| Venemo | :) :) | 20:21 |
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| faenil | it always seems to be working, then I discover a new special case trying new images... :D | 20:22 |
| Venemo | yeah, I know the feeling | 20:22 |
| Venemo | that is the way of developing multitouch apps | 20:22 |
| faenil | then the fight with flickable is exhausting, it keeps doing things I don't want it to do :P | 20:22 |
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| faenil | docs don't cover too many aspects | 20:23 |
| faenil | things get resized, moved, etc | 20:23 |
| Venemo | are you developing your component in C++ or QML? | 20:23 |
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| faenil | and that interferes with my things | 20:23 |
| faenil | the aim is to make it use as low modded components as possible | 20:24 |
| faenil | atm it's all qml | 20:24 |
| faenil | even if I'm using some hacks to play with the flickable | 20:24 |
| Venemo | why don't you just implement all you need in a single C++ class? | 20:24 |
| faenil | reimplementing flickable? that takes a while :) | 20:24 |
| Venemo | then you could have all the behaviour you need in a single place in a reusable component | 20:24 |
| Venemo | it's open source so you wouldn't need to write it from scratch. but I don't think it'd be that hard anyway | 20:25 |
| faenil | it uses a lot of private classes | 20:26 |
| faenil | you need to mod Qt, can't just take parts off from it | 20:26 |
| Venemo | awww | 20:26 |
| Venemo | yeah. | 20:26 |
| faenil | and I'm writing and working on my thesis these days, so this is all extra work, I can't spend more than little time on it | 20:27 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps: what if I want to make a package to let users try it? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | don't we have a good guide for contribution? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | though i'm not sure | 20:32 |
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| faenil | mmm lemme look, I only remember seeing a hello world thing | 20:34 |
| faenil | gtg, be back later | 20:34 |
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| Sage | Venemo: ok, so we need the firmware for that chip to get wlan working. Need to verify the license though first. | 20:35 |
| Sage | Netweaver_: sure all help is welcome. Just ping us when ever you face problems in some generic stuff | 20:36 |
| Venemo | Sage, methinks Intel already verified it when they added it to MeeGo | 20:37 |
| Sage | Venemo: probably just need to recheck where it is. | 20:42 |
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| Venemo | ok Sage, thanks :) | 20:44 |
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| Sage | Venemo: hmmp... not sure where it is :/ | 20:51 |
| Sage | we have same linux-firmware package that was in meego so if it would be there it should be in the image already | 20:52 |
| Venemo | hm! | 20:54 |
| Venemo | I believe I installed the latest netbook image which booted | 20:55 |
| Sage | Venemo: can you get the dmesg output of the nemo image? | 20:55 |
| Venemo | sure! moment, I'll need to dd the image to the pendrive again | 20:56 |
| Venemo | firstly, is 'sudo dd bs=4096 if=nemo-handset-i586-0.20120120.1.NEMO.2012-02-02.1.img of=/dev/sdc' OK? | 20:57 |
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| Venemo_ | sorry, my laptop gave up | 21:04 |
| Venemo_ | but I'm back now :) | 21:04 |
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| Venemo | hm | 21:21 |
| Venemo | dd is messing with me | 21:21 |
| Venemo | '435159041 bytes (435 MB) copied, 0.625844 s, 695 MB/s' | 21:21 |
| Venemo | how is this even possible? | 21:21 |
| Sage | sure it was the right device? | 21:23 |
| Venemo | yeah | 21:23 |
| Venemo | upon boot, it says "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" | 21:23 |
| Venemo | maybe the image became corrupt on my HDD... I'll redownload it | 21:24 |
| Sage | or dd just went bad | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | ok, it boots now :) | 21:31 |
| Venemo | Sage, what is it in dmesg that I should look for? | 21:33 |
| Venemo | it doesn't seem to take notice of the wifi device at all | 21:36 |
| Venemo | and lspci is not found | 21:37 |
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| Venemo | the term 'wlan' doesn't appear in dmesg | 21:43 |
| Venemo | anyway, I need to go to sleep now | 21:48 |
| Venemo | so, good night everyone :) | 21:48 |
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| faenil | back | 22:02 |
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| faenil | yesss another special case done :D | 23:04 |
| faenil | time to go to bed | 23:11 |
| faenil | goodnight everyone | 23:11 |
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