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| Stskeeps | morn sage | 07:06 |
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| Sage | morning | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i've started making .0.0.1 .0.0.2 etc releases so we can verify early when issues happen | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | will probably import it into cobs later today | 07:06 |
| Sage | ok | 07:07 |
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| Stskeeps | morn veskuh | 07:23 |
| veskuh | Good Morning Stskeeps | 07:23 |
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| Stskeeps | veskuh: i had a thought about the tearing issue when i saw something on my n9 | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: in the low power lcd mode, the clock visibily teared | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder what mode our LCDs are running in | 07:31 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: yep, that is interesting possibility. | 07:31 |
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| Sage | ok, so our main problem is now the systemui with new mer core that needs fix? | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | right | 07:53 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, could you do latest-prerelease or somethign as well if we start to do frequent releases | 07:53 |
| Sage | we need url for zypper to update those as well to keep up with the changes | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | right | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | was bug triage now or in an hour? | 07:59 |
| veskuh | now | 07:59 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4174 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4174 | 08:30 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4174 Accepted promotion request | 08:33 |
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| Sage | hmmp... what does "grep UEVENT /boot/config*" print on N900, N950 and i586? | 10:42 |
| Sage | CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH="" | 10:44 |
| Sage | on i586 and CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH="/sbin/hotplug" on pandaboard | 10:44 |
| Sage | if n950 matches i586 and n900 panda that might be our udev problem :) | 10:44 |
| Sage | only thing that I could find from udev stuff that isn't tested yet | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | sounds likely | 10:47 |
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| lbt | another one? citation would be nice | 10:55 |
| Sage | lbt: no, this is in udev already | 10:55 |
| Sage | just one that we haven't noted before, exactly why we would need the kernel config checks :)( | 10:55 |
| lbt | it's specified as "must be null" | 10:56 |
| Sage | yes | 10:56 |
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| Sage | it seems to work if set, but might be cause of some issues we are having | 10:56 |
| lbt | ok - I got the values switched from ^^ conversation :) | 10:56 |
| lbt | I'm sure you'll let me know... | 10:56 |
| Sage | yes | 10:57 |
| * Sage waits new n900 image write to sd card (old one broke while testing) :) | 10:57 | |
| lbt | and I'm not rewriting Kconfig to do "if CONFIG_* then these values permitted else...." | 10:57 |
| Sage | ? | 10:57 |
| lbt | nm | 10:58 |
| Sage | lbt: for ofono CONFIG_TUN seem recommended http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=blob;f=README;h=413d789e5f9e96024986f5116d3c8aff0c9f15b8;hb=HEAD#l28 | 10:58 |
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| faenil | morning people :) | 11:00 |
| lbt | o/ | 11:00 |
| Sage | morning faenil | 11:00 |
| Sage | CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH="/sbin/hotplug" <- N900 | 11:00 |
| Sage | ok, now N950 | 11:00 |
| Sage | \o/ CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH="" | 11:01 |
| * Sage is really happy atm. | 11:01 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ^ | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | and panda? | 11:02 |
| Sage | panda is same as n900 and same udev problem | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | let's drop that then from conf | 11:02 |
| Sage | x86 same as n950 and no problem | 11:02 |
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| Sage | yes, I'll do test build and see if it helps | 11:02 |
| * Stskeeps ponders how well qtmediahub runs in non-gl | 11:02 | |
| faenil | quick OT question: doesn anyone why I'm getting touch event at blocks of 5 in Qt? I get delays of 1ms-1ms-1ms-1ms-80ms-1ms-1ms-1ms-1ms-80ms between events | 11:02 |
| faenil | know* why | 11:03 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: 2 questions should CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG be notset or y and what about CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT_V3 | 11:12 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: kernel confis for N900 do not match when doing make -f Makefile.config | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds like something from when we had bootchart? | 11:13 |
| Sage | yes, it is on atm. we should turn it off right? | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | normally, yeah | 11:13 |
| Sage | so both off? | 11:14 |
| faenil | I'm working on the gallery viewer, flickable + pincharea is scaring the crap out of me :D They keep fighting :D but I may have found a working combo | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: right | 11:14 |
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| faenil | trying to make a usable gallery with decent pinch to zoom feature... | 11:16 |
| faenil | I found out there's no qml viewer which has a "working" pinchtozoom, like those in default apps in smartphones | 11:17 |
| faenil | which zoom only the part of the image you're pinching | 11:17 |
| faenil | but we want something better for nemo, don't we? :D | 11:17 |
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| * faenil : forever alone | 11:18 | |
| Sage | faenil: well atm. anykind of photoviewer would be nice | 11:18 |
| Sage | faenil: you are not alone, don't worry :) | 11:19 |
| faenil | Sage: so it's ok if you pinch but it always sets the image to the center? :D | 11:19 |
| Sage | faenil: I would be happy about any kind of photoviewer, we can improve the functionality later | 11:19 |
| faenil | nah, I'll save time on other features :) wanna make the pinch to zoom at least usable :) | 11:19 |
| faenil | hope to be able to do it within today | 11:19 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: After fixing that kernel option Xorg PID went from 1739 to 559 :) | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok, nice | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | and boot time? | 11:29 |
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| Sage | no notable improvement at least | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:31 |
| Sage | from starting kernel message to home ~40s | 11:31 |
| Sage | which isn't so bad in the end | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | harmattan's like 60s i think | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:31 |
| * Sage is happy finally finding the problem | 11:32 | |
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| veskuh | Sage: Nice work in finding the issue and solving it! | 11:33 |
| w00t | 40s on n900, or n950? | 11:34 |
| * w00t would be amazed if it's the former | 11:34 | |
| Sage | w00t: n900 | 11:34 |
| w00t | holy crap | 11:34 |
| w00t | Sage++ | 11:34 |
| Sage | note: that is from starting kernel message not from poweron | 11:34 |
| Sage | didn't want to cound the uboot there that takes ~15s | 11:34 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4175 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4175 | 11:34 |
| * Sage needs to apply that same patch to Pandaboard | 11:35 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: there is lots of things to cleanup in bootup still as the Xorg pid should be under 100 or something not around 500 but at least not over 1000 anymore :) | 11:40 |
| lbt | root 419 315 0 00:00 tty1 00:00:01 /usr/bin/Xorg | 11:41 |
| Sage | lbt: on what system? | 11:41 |
| lbt | joggler | 11:41 |
| Sage | yes, that sounds about right | 11:42 |
| w00t | is this a pissing contest of "my X pid is lower than yours"? ;p | 11:42 |
| lbt | yes | 11:42 |
| Sage | meego 225 1.4 1.2 19908 10720 tty1 Ss+ 12:42 0:51 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -logfile /home/meego/.Xorg.0.log -nolisten tcp -noreset -auth /home/meego/.Xauthority -nocursor vt1 | 11:42 |
| Sage | on my wetab ,) | 11:42 |
| w00t | Sage wins | 11:42 |
| w00t | :P | 11:42 |
| * lbt runs >60k shells | 11:42 | |
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| Sage | most of the pid increase comes from our shell scripts which start stuff, e.g., dsme has own .sh script for starting as well as our sgx driver and bme | 11:45 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4175 Accepted promotion request | 11:46 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4176 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4176 | 11:52 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4176 Accepted promotion request | 11:56 |
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| admiral0 | Stskeeps: is it possible to run nemo's wm && desktop replacing harmattan's ones? | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | you need a open mode kernel and much of harmattan functionality may break | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | also, we haven't tested that, at all | 12:26 |
| admiral0 | like feeds | 12:26 |
| veskuh | yes | 12:27 |
| veskuh | that would break | 12:27 |
| admiral0 | a workaround would be providing api and redirecting to /dev/null | 12:27 |
| admiral0 | :) | 12:27 |
| veskuh | but mcompositor (wm) is the same. | 12:27 |
| veskuh | on harmattan there is just proprietary gesture extension | 12:28 |
| admiral0 | can implement that | 12:28 |
| veskuh | I haven't checked what are specific differences in home, but obviously there is some. | 12:28 |
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| admiral0 | well, the problem for me is bug 584 | 12:29 |
| admiral0 | i've talked with many nokia guys | 12:29 |
| admiral0 | 0 fucks were given | 12:29 |
| veskuh | In anycase Nemo/Harmattan home share the roots so in theory replacing should be possible if you have open kernel | 12:29 |
| admiral0 | well, not 0, but the final answer was "No" | 12:30 |
| admiral0 | have you got any idea about low power mode? | 12:30 |
| admiral0 | where is it implemented? | 12:31 |
| veskuh | Might be systemui, but not sure | 12:31 |
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| veskuh | admiral0: you might be interested in w00t's lipstick work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 12:32 |
| admiral0 | i want to achieve this http://www.ideasproject.com/ideas/15342 in harmattan | 12:33 |
| veskuh | Yep, on Harmattan it is problematic since there is the closed compoennts. In Nemo should be doable. | 12:36 |
| admiral0 | nemo has no 3d driver afaik | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | nemo has a fully functional 3d driver | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:37 |
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| admiral0 | hmm | 12:39 |
| admiral0 | intersting | 12:39 |
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| admiral0 | veskuh: where's lipstick? | 12:53 |
| veskuh | admiral0: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick | 12:54 |
| admiral0 | silly me | 12:54 |
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| faenil | isn't there a way to get the velocity of a panning gesture in Qml? that's absurd... | 13:56 |
| veskuh | Probably the APIs are targeted to be on "higher level" | 13:57 |
| faenil | what do you mean? | 13:58 |
| faenil | higher level means easier, not less features :D | 13:58 |
| w00t | at least nowdays you'd have a decent chance of adding it | 13:59 |
| w00t | :P | 13:59 |
| faenil | not if I receive events at blocks of 5... | 13:59 |
| faenil | I can't make a velocity out of that... | 13:59 |
| w00t | i meant adding the functionality (or same statement goes for fixing whatever bug causes you to not get events frequently enough, if it's a bug)~ | 14:00 |
| faenil | eheheh :P | 14:00 |
| faenil | now I'm trying to use a flickable and get the velocity out of it | 14:03 |
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| faenil | but if I take the out the deceleration to avoid the change of direction, it doesn't flick anymore | 14:05 |
| faenil | maybe I'll use a slightly wider contentArea | 14:05 |
| faenil | and make it think it's scrolling something | 14:05 |
| faenil | and get the max velocity | 14:05 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4177 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4177 | 14:15 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4177 Rejected promotion request | 14:20 |
| Sage | w00t, Stskeeps: btw that 40s boot was with class 4 sdcard :P | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 14:21 |
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| Sage | http://pastie.org/3237146 | 14:23 |
| Sage | ohmd and sensorfw have something bad in them | 14:24 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4178 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4178 | 14:28 |
| phaeron | it had an error and notified me and I salvaged it :D | 14:30 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4178 Accepted promotion request | 14:33 |
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| faenil | nice, Flickable is almost as unreliable as my own speed calc... | 14:46 |
| admiral0 | LOL | 14:46 |
| faenil | I flick by a little | 14:46 |
| faenil | and it reports vel 9 | 14:46 |
| faenil | or 10 | 14:46 |
| faenil | or 30 | 14:46 |
| faenil | and that's okay | 14:46 |
| faenil | then some times it reports 1250 | 14:47 |
| faenil | 890 | 14:47 |
| faenil | ............... | 14:47 |
| faenil | houston, we have a problem | 14:47 |
| admiral0 | it's the unit | 14:47 |
| faenil | ? | 14:47 |
| admiral0 | it's measured in wtf/sec | 14:47 |
| faenil | ahahah | 14:47 |
| faenil | I would have never thought implementing a panning gesture would have been so difficult in Qt :) | 14:48 |
| faenil | I mean, QPanGesture doesn't have velocity, has acceleration but only implemented on Mac it seems (coz it's free)...wtf?? XD | 14:49 |
| faenil | how is one supposed to handle such things? I think I'll skip this one..no flicking on my 3d model... | 14:50 |
| luke_dirtwalker | faenil: maybe you can make your own gesture recognizer like here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Custom_Swipe_Gestures_in_Qt and use a timer from beginning of gesture to end and calculate velocity? or have you tried tha already? | 15:02 |
| faenil | nope but I've tried getting the timer in QmlApplicationViewer::viewportevent | 15:03 |
| faenil | and it was yet worse | 15:03 |
| faenil | 1-1-1-1-80-1-2-3-1-430 | 15:03 |
| faenil | delays | 15:03 |
| faenil | do you think implementing a custom gesture would be different? (not being ironic) | 15:04 |
| faenil | I honestly don't think so | 15:04 |
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| luke_dirtwalker | hm no idea | 15:06 |
| faenil | I think it's qmlapplicationviewer which then passes events to the widgets, so I think it wouldn't | 15:06 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4179 Rejected promotion request | 15:14 |
| veskuh | Sage: ^ is the correct way to fix that remove −1 from changelog or update version in spec/yaml ? | 15:19 |
| veskuh | I thought the version after - would be build number and thus not in changelog or spec/yaml? | 15:19 |
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| lbt | faenil: you need to look at the raw event times | 15:41 |
| faenil | if that were possible.. | 15:42 |
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| lbt | I used to - but that was QWidget days | 15:42 |
| faenil | there's no event timestamp in qt afaik | 15:42 |
| faenil | that's the cause of all problems | 15:42 |
| faenil | can I go lower than qmlapplicationviewer::viewportevent? | 15:43 |
| veskuh | Maybe you could get some hints from how flickable area sources | 15:45 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4181 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4181 | 15:46 |
| lbt | faenil: https://gitorious.org/lbt/shopper/blobs/master/src/ui/GestureWatcher.cc was my code | 15:46 |
| lbt | and yeah, it looks like I timed it myself | 15:47 |
| lbt | it stored events and played them back if it decided it wasn't a gesture | 15:47 |
| faenil | but when qmlapplicationviewer receives the events it's already too late | 15:47 |
| faenil | it receives them at packs of 5.. | 15:48 |
| veskuh | faenil: or take a look at qml gesturearea and build your own gesturearea based on it: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qml-gesturearea/trees/master | 15:48 |
| lbt | well, this stuff is old | 15:48 |
| lbt | Qt4.4 - pre-fremantle release | 15:48 |
| faenil | veskuh: still, given that qmlapplicationviewer already receives events all at once, would that help? | 15:49 |
| lbt | it did allow trivial per-widget gestures though | 15:49 |
| faenil | lbt: the problem is not recognizing the gesture here :) it's having an acceptable speed value :) | 15:49 |
| lbt | I understand .. | 15:50 |
| faenil | as fast as possible | 15:50 |
| lbt | it's batching | 15:50 |
| faenil | yep | 15:50 |
| lbt | which is dumb | 15:50 |
| lbt | w/o timestamps in the events | 15:50 |
| faenil | so when I get the event and calculate deltaTime, deltaDistance --> speed | 15:50 |
| lbt | yup | 15:50 |
| faenil | I get wrong deltaDistance for those deltaTimes | 15:50 |
| veskuh | faenil: well, if built in elements get events fast enough, you should be able to get them soon | 15:50 |
| * lbt suggests you add timestamps to QtEvent | 15:50 | |
| lbt | how hard can it be? | 15:51 |
| veskuh | faenil: and flickable seems to work just fast enough in helium | 15:51 |
| faenil | veskuh, they don't :D | 15:51 |
| faenil | flickable has the same problem | 15:51 |
| faenil | I hit for short time | 15:51 |
| faenil | and it moves of a short distance, but not always | 15:51 |
| faenil | about 80% of the times | 15:51 |
| faenil | which is low.. | 15:51 |
| faenil | the other times it moves with speed 900,1200 | 15:51 |
| faenil | instead of 30-40 | 15:51 |
| veskuh | Is that what flickable tells you or what flickable gets as input? | 15:52 |
| faenil | onVerticalVelocityChanged: console.log(verticalVelocity) | 15:53 |
| veskuh | So that is from QML? Internally it might get more precise values. | 15:55 |
| faenil | what I tried with qmlapplicationviewer was from c++ | 15:55 |
| faenil | reimplementing viewportevent() | 15:56 |
| faenil | I think that's the first who gets the events before dispatching them to the widgets/views | 15:56 |
| faenil | and events are already batched at that time | 15:56 |
| veskuh | Did you check from flickable that it the same as it uses? | 15:56 |
| faenil | what do you mean? | 15:56 |
| faenil | flickable uses QScroller to get velocity | 15:56 |
| veskuh | Ah, so you checked. nevermind then. | 15:57 |
| faenil | it's so strange that we're in Qt 4.8, almost 5, and there's no velocity attribute in QPanGesture, that should be a priority...my thought is that there's something big behind | 15:58 |
| faenil | must be something which doesn't make that possible | 15:58 |
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| faenil | now, even if I were to use Flickable to get velocity (which is not very accurate, but better than mine) and mousearea to detect doubletaps and mouse coordinate...how am I to do it? can I let both flickable and mousearea receive touchevents? atm only the one which is declared after gets the event.. | 16:14 |
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| lbt | Last chance for Mer T-shirts : http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00126.html | 21:25 |
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| Free-MG | must have :), thanks | 21:30 |
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| Venemo | lbt, ME WANTS! | 21:56 |
| lbt | Free-MG, Venemo ... send Denise a mail :) | 21:57 |
| Venemo | lbt, what's his full email address? | 21:57 |
| lbt | see the url ^^ | 21:58 |
| Venemo | lbt, denise@d.......com ? | 21:58 |
| lbt | yep | 21:58 |
| Venemo | ok | 21:58 |
| lbt | also size details in there | 21:58 |
| iekku | i want also | 21:59 |
| Venemo | can I also haz a Mer sticker like the one on that ideapad? | 21:59 |
| iekku | but not coming to fosdem | 21:59 |
| lbt | Venemo: if you come to fosdem Stskeeps will have some | 21:59 |
| lbt | iekku: will mail one to you np | 21:59 |
| Venemo | lbt, I can't afford to go to fosdem :( | 21:59 |
| lbt | Venemo: me neither :D | 22:00 |
| Venemo | at least, not yet | 22:00 |
| * lbt is phaeron's +1 | 22:00 | |
| Venemo | isn't it ironic that I'm paid to work on properitary software to be able to work on free software in my free time? | 22:01 |
| lbt | you're paid? lucky you! | 22:01 |
| iekku | lbt, ordered one | 22:01 |
| lbt | iekku: \o/ | 22:01 |
| iekku | hmm, was jukkaeklund coming to fosdem | 22:01 |
| w00t | lbt earns his income off tshirts :-p | 22:01 |
| phaeron | lbt: hmm ? | 22:01 |
| lbt | w00t: yeah I should get 20p per t-shirt | 22:02 |
| w00t | (joke) | 22:02 |
| * lbt needs to sell tizen t-shirts... | 22:02 | |
| Venemo | lol | 22:02 |
| iekku | lbt, need to figure out how to pay it | 22:02 |
| w00t | lbt: i think you'd have to pay people to wear those... | 22:02 |
| iekku | and how much the posts are | 22:02 |
| lbt | iekku: meh ... eventually is fine | 22:02 |
| iekku | :) | 22:02 |
| iekku | i could ask if someone from tampere is coming, if he/she could pick up my shirt | 22:03 |
| Free-MG | lbt: i have, sent her to germany? | 22:03 |
| lbt | iekku: it's ~ €3.50 for shipping in europe | 22:03 |
| lbt | so no big deal - but happy to arrange pickups | 22:04 |
| iekku | that's not bad, but thinking avoiding the posting in your side :) | 22:04 |
| lbt | iekku: we'll have a few to do for sure so it's no bother | 22:04 |
| w00t | you know | 22:04 |
| lbt | and Denise isn't working either so she's bored :) | 22:05 |
| w00t | continuous integration is great, until it's not great | 22:05 |
| lbt | w00t: hehe | 22:05 |
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| lbt | w00t: it does tend to make you fix the problems in the order *it* decides | 22:06 |
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| w00t | lbt: i've been trying to get 5-6 changes in Qt integrated for about 6 hours (and 5 retries) now :) | 22:06 |
| w00t | other people keep breaking stuff | 22:07 |
| w00t | :P | 22:07 |
| lbt | BQL ? | 22:07 |
| Venemo | w00t, other people suck :P | 22:07 |
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| w00t | lbt: BQL? | 22:08 |
| w00t | Venemo: sometimes.. ;) | 22:08 |
| lbt | Big Qt Lock .... | 22:08 |
| w00t | hahaha | 22:08 |
| w00t | that's a good name for it actually | 22:08 |
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| Venemo | I wonder... | 22:08 |
| Venemo | how much effort will it require to port Nemo to Qt 5? | 22:09 |
| lbt | w00t: maybe git should offer a ticketing system | 22:09 |
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| lbt | take a ticket and when it's your turn you get to merge | 22:09 |
| lbt | you have 15mins to rebase | 22:09 |
| w00t | Venemo: the main problems will be anything touching libmeegotouch | 22:09 |
| w00t | particularly the UX (things like sysuid) | 22:09 |
| w00t | there is already a port of Qt Components to Qt 5, so that part is covered | 22:10 |
| Venemo | w00t, so only the obsolete parts will be affected mostly? | 22:10 |
| w00t | hopefully | 22:11 |
| w00t | once feature freeze hits, I might start looking at it | 22:11 |
| Venemo | well, since the MTF apps are already being phased out by qt-components apps, it isn't such a big problem, is it? | 22:12 |
| w00t | heh | 22:13 |
| w00t | when you don't have many part time developers, let alone full time ones.. :-) | 22:13 |
| w00t | but we'll get there | 22:13 |
| Venemo | :) | 22:16 |
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| Venemo | lbt, by the way, where did you obtain that huge battery which I can see in that ideapad on the pic? | 22:32 |
| lbt | they came with them | 22:33 |
| Venemo | OMG | 22:33 |
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| lbt | they were Dublin/MeeGo freebies | 22:33 |
| Venemo | ah, I see | 22:33 |
| Venemo | I paid for mine, and it came with a (lot) smaller battery | 22:34 |
| lbt | 8.5 Ah | 22:35 |
| Venemo | this one is 3.74 Ah | 22:36 |
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| Venemo | anyway, I gotta leave now, need to sleep | 22:53 |
| Venemo | have a nice evening everyone! | 22:53 |
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