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| faenil | morning :) | 11:01 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 11:01 |
| faenil | so, I'm about to start setting thing up to begin the gallery thing | 11:02 |
| faenil | things* | 11:02 |
| faenil | is the simulator reliable for testing for nemo? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you use harmattan qt components | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | er, qml | 11:03 |
| faenil | I guess so...what do you say? | 11:04 |
| faenil | it's the gallery app for nemo (could be) | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | we use same qt components, so | 11:04 |
| faenil | ok | 11:04 |
| faenil | is there any features page? | 11:05 |
| faenil | ui guidelines for nemo? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | not really, make it fit in nicely ;) | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | use qt components where possible | 11:05 |
| faenil | I've never coded a gallery :P could miss so many things people expect to be in a gallery :) | 11:05 |
| faenil | ok... | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | look at the existing one and see where it sucks | 11:05 |
| faenil | right :) last release I tried was november one :) need to catch up | 11:06 |
| faenil | anything about dualbooting on n950 in the meanwhile? | 11:06 |
| faenil | I only remember about that page for n9 | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | there's a thing but it requires a lot of handywork | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | alien___: did you ever hear back from the mesa people? | 11:07 |
| faenil | recommend 19's image? | 11:09 |
| faenil | or better previous one? I heard there were some issues in the latest one | 11:11 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps: is there any news about the archos thing? ^ | 11:14 |
| faenil | ^^ | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | i don't follow that, sorry | 11:14 |
| faenil | anyone I could ask ? | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | the plasma active people i guess | 11:15 |
| faenil | :) | 11:20 |
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| faenil | mmm after nemo splashscreen I was shown the same sea with like rgb pure colours... | 11:40 |
| faenil | is that normal? XD | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | normal | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | we switch from 32bpp to 16bpp for technical reasons | 11:42 |
| faenil | was that 16pp? it was like all yellow... | 11:43 |
| faenil | still stuttering...I guess no fix has been found ye | 11:44 |
| faenil | yet :) | 11:44 |
| faenil | I guess I have to read the bug list before writing :D | 11:46 |
| faenil | is that white and black house + X going to be there for long? D | 11:57 |
| faenil | :D | 11:57 |
| faenil | ehm...Photos app show a loading circle but nothing appears? | 11:58 |
| faenil | shows* | 11:58 |
| faenil | ok it's the known bug | 11:59 |
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| lbt | morning phaeron | 12:13 |
| phaeron | morning | 12:13 |
| lbt | looking at this: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-commits/2011-September/033839.html makes me think about how our commits look ,,,, and then when I went to http://www.mail-archive.com/nemo-commits@lists.merproject.org/index.html#00413 I thought it'd be nice if they threaded | 12:13 |
| lbt | but they're certainly much more informative in terms of wtf happened | 12:14 |
| lbt | hmm build.meego.com is down again | 12:15 |
| phaeron | looking | 12:18 |
| lbt | basically I found that commit message on an archive and it's pretty much useless | 12:19 |
| lbt | so I sanity checked ours | 12:20 |
| phaeron | lbt: ours would be even better with mt patch to OBS :) | 12:20 |
| lbt | The 'accepted' message is actually not too useful (assuming the link has rotted ... which it will in a few months) | 12:21 |
| lbt | well, getting 'our' OBS packaged and deployed is a task | 12:21 |
| lbt | but I am doing EMGD first | 12:21 |
| phaeron | about threading. does it have to be re: , or can the sr# be added as a hint for example | 12:25 |
| lbt | you know, I think it's a never-mind ... to do it properly you'd need the message-id | 12:28 |
| lbt | and the SR# is in the subject already | 12:28 |
| lbt | and more importantly the "waiting for review" is rich | 12:29 |
| phaeron | ok :) | 12:32 |
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| phaeron | lbt: I got plasma active running. it's quite nice. | 12:39 |
| lbt | :) | 12:39 |
| phaeron | but I think the packages in cobs are a bit old | 12:39 |
| lbt | I am still working on X :( | 12:39 |
| lbt | ask in #active ? | 12:39 |
| phaeron | oh they have irc ? | 12:40 |
| phaeron | cordia looks interesting too | 12:40 |
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| faenil | how does the house and X thing work? | 12:53 |
| faenil | should I add that in the app? | 12:53 |
| faenil | or is done automatically by the compositor? | 12:53 |
| faenil | or wm, or don't know what | 12:53 |
| phaeron | faenil: in pa ? | 12:54 |
| faenil | in Nemo | 12:54 |
| w00t | we don't have those on new applications anymore (since we use harmattan's components in new stuff) | 12:54 |
| faenil | oh ok, better :) don't like them :D | 12:55 |
| faenil | so I don't have to care about that :) | 12:55 |
| w00t | yup | 12:55 |
| faenil | what about the fact that every time you open an app it first flashes fullscreen and then you see the animation? is anyone taking care of that? | 12:56 |
| w00t | if it's not a bug, then file it | 12:56 |
| w00t | otherwise, nobody will know it exists | 12:56 |
| faenil | everyone who has nemo knows it's there, if he has ever clicked anywhere in the menu :D | 12:57 |
| w00t | doesn't matter.. bugs are tracked in there | 12:57 |
| w00t | if it's not in there, it'll get forgotten about | 12:57 |
| faenil | ok, didn't want to create trash reports : | 12:58 |
| faenil | :) | 12:58 |
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| w00t | make sure to mention what applications you see it with, and what hardware you're using | 12:58 |
| faenil | all apps | 12:58 |
| faenil | it's a compositor thing I think | 12:58 |
| faenil | trying to get more details about it | 12:59 |
| faenil | what about lipstick? did it sink? :) | 13:03 |
| faenil | or was the concept changed? | 13:03 |
| w00t | it's still alive, I'm focused on Qt 5 until it feature-freezes | 13:04 |
| w00t | this is the only time for the next good number of years to break things, so | 13:04 |
| faenil | I see...so what we have on Nemo atm is not lipstick | 13:04 |
| w00t | no | 13:05 |
| w00t | not yet | 13:06 |
| faenil | ok ;) thought it was a "changed" lipstick | 13:07 |
| faenil | anyway, this is the issue with the apps | 13:08 |
| faenil | you go to menu, open an app | 13:08 |
| faenil | and you see something flashing fullscreen before the opening animation | 13:09 |
| faenil | and that thing is the last thing which was on screen before going into menu | 13:09 |
| faenil | guess it's easily fixable, if you know how that code works | 13:10 |
| faenil | shall I file the bug under MTF UX/Compositor | 13:16 |
| faenil | ? | 13:16 |
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| faenil | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84 | 13:32 |
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| faenil | is Qt Mobility working in Nemo? | 14:02 |
| faenil | can I use http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qml-gallery.html for the gallery app? | 14:03 |
| w00t | you'll probably be the first one to have tried it | 14:03 |
| w00t | i'd suggest doing a simple test first | 14:03 |
| faenil | you mean mobility, or the gallery plugin? | 14:03 |
| w00t | gallery | 14:04 |
| faenil | ok, then I'll just see if it works :D | 14:04 |
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| faenil | w00t: does nemo use tracket? | 14:35 |
| faenil | tracker? | 14:35 |
| w00t | for the time being, but please don't introduce more dependencies onto it in your application | 14:36 |
| faenil | ok :) | 14:36 |
| w00t | we'd rather not for file indexing (for instance) because it kills performance a lot | 14:36 |
| faenil | looking for thumbnails :D | 14:36 |
| faenil | need to understand where thumbnails are saved.. | 14:37 |
| w00t | there aren't any | 14:38 |
| faenil | mmm ok so I need to create them | 14:38 |
| faenil | and keep that synced...mmm | 14:38 |
| w00t | for now, just assume that Image with an asynchronous parameter and sourceSize is good enough | 14:39 |
| w00t | keep it simple | 14:39 |
| w00t | we can always bolt more on later | 14:39 |
| faenil | ok so no thumbnails | 14:39 |
| faenil | what do you mean with an async par? | 14:39 |
| w00t | Image::asynchronous | 14:39 |
| faenil | oh ok | 14:39 |
| w00t | you don't want to block the UI thread while loading images :-) | 14:40 |
| faenil | definitely not :D | 14:40 |
| faenil | that's first priority :D | 14:40 |
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| faenil | so sourceSize basically is a way to make thumbnails at runtime | 14:42 |
| faenil | every time | 14:42 |
| w00t | yes | 14:46 |
| w00t | it's not as efficient as having a cached thumbnail, but it's pretty good for most image format | 14:46 |
| w00t | s | 14:46 |
| faenil | ;) | 14:46 |
| faenil | mmm setting both sourceSize width and height doesn't preserve aspect ratio...but setting only one of these would be wrong... | 14:58 |
| w00t | that sounds like a bug | 15:01 |
| faenil | nah it's in the docs | 15:01 |
| faenil | .. | 15:01 |
| w00t | oh, of course | 15:01 |
| faenil | I would have expected something like "resize it so that it maintains the aspect ratio as its size is smaller than the defined value" | 15:03 |
| faenil | both width and height | 15:03 |
| faenil | not just one | 15:03 |
| faenil | and* its size | 15:03 |
| faenil | this way there will always be some cut images | 15:04 |
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| faenil | setting clip to true both in gridview and delegate doesn't clip images XD wtf xD | 15:13 |
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| faenil | ... | 15:35 |
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| faenil | I'm clipping the delegate why isn't clipped...damn it.. | 15:43 |
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| faenil | anyway, the menu is now supersmooth and there's no tearing :) it's very nice | 15:58 |
| faenil | (talking about nemo) | 15:58 |
| w00t | n950? | 15:58 |
| w00t | that's strange, when i met veskuh in tampere it still looked like there was tearing | 15:58 |
| faenil | I'm using 19-01 | 15:59 |
| faenil | there's tearing in the lists | 15:59 |
| faenil | while scrolling | 15:59 |
| faenil | but no in the menu | 15:59 |
| faenil | n950, yes | 15:59 |
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| w00t | interesting | 15:59 |
| faenil | mmm I actually can't say if it's tearing or it's the animation... | 16:00 |
| faenil | I see nothing wrong | 16:00 |
| faenil | I remember it was visible in older releases | 16:00 |
| faenil | nah I go for the NO, there's no tearing in menu | 16:02 |
| faenil | only in lists | 16:02 |
| ilold9 | Hi. Question: What is missing from mainline Kernel to be of use for N900? or Why doesn't Nemomobile use newest Linux for n900? | 16:02 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: ^ | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | ilold9: power management patches and a lot of effort | 16:02 |
| faenil | w00t : the problem now is everything else :D | 16:02 |
| ilold9 | Ok. Thanks. | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | ilold9: we don't have any more kernel developers, so | 16:03 |
| faenil | struggling to survive :) | 16:04 |
| faenil | what about battery level and brightness control? are they hard to fix or there are no volunteers? | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | battery level is possible to do with libbmeipc but noone has done it so far | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't require knowledge of any secret things, i think | 16:15 |
| ilold9 | I might file a bug-report later. I know, it doesn't make magical appear a kernel-dev. on the other hand ... there might appear one anyway. | 16:21 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps: you may have already seen it, but anyway, I filed it today https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84 | 16:28 |
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| shushek | hi | 17:49 |
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| faenil | hey Venemo :) | 18:49 |
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| beford | hello :3 | 20:32 |
| beford | xD | 20:32 |
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| Venemo | hi w00t | 22:09 |
| w00t | hi | 22:10 |
| Venemo | how hard would it be to implement that mouse cursor magic in MCompositor? | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | mouse cursors bring down fps | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:11 |
| Venemo | sure, but they are useful when you have a mouse or touchpad | 22:11 |
| w00t | what he said, but, it wouldn't be impossible to do I think | 22:11 |
| w00t | I wouldn't want it by default for that reason, but, enabling it.. no major worries | 22:12 |
| Venemo | eg. if I run Nemo on my netbook, I'd want the cursor shown when I use the touchpad, but I'd like to hide it when I use the touchscreen | 22:12 |
| Venemo | not showing it by default is okay | 22:13 |
| w00t | mcompositemanager.cpp is probably the place you want to look | 22:13 |
| w00t | from the top of my head | 22:13 |
| Venemo | :) | 22:13 |
| Venemo | ok | 22:13 |
| w00t | once you get a patch, ping Sage or me and we can look at reviewing/integrating | 22:14 |
| Venemo | it'll be a long time before I have time to make such a patch, but sure :) | 22:14 |
| w00t | I know the feeling | 22:14 |
| w00t | ;) | 22:14 |
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| w00t | nice | 22:19 |
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| Venemo | good night guys, I need to go to sleep :) | 22:40 |
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| phaeron | Sage: nemo black screen on i586, any pointers on how to debug or should I just give up :) | 22:54 |
| Stskeeps | .xsession-errors | 22:55 |
| Stskeeps | in /home/meego | 22:55 |
| phaeron | already looked there , nothing stood out | 22:57 |
| phaeron | looking again | 22:57 |
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| Stskeeps | is sysuid going for 100% cpu in top? | 22:58 |
| phaeron | Running non-meego graphics system enabled MeeGo touch, forcing native graphicssystem ? | 22:58 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: nope 0% cpu | 22:58 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever have nemo booting on it? | 22:58 |
| phaeron | sysuid not running | 22:59 |
| phaeron | no this is the first time I try | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. start slow, try to start Xorg -noreset &; export DISPLAY=:0; widgetsgallery | 22:59 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps with -local-theme | 22:59 |
| phaeron | ok | 23:00 |
| phaeron | stopping uxlaunch | 23:00 |
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| phaeron | interesting | 23:01 |
| phaeron | QEglContext::chooseConfig(): Could not find a suitable EGL configuration | 23:02 |
| phaeron | libEGL warning: DRI2: could not open /dev/dri/card0 (Permission denied) | 23:02 |
| phaeron | pastie better | 23:02 |
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| phaeron | http://pastie.org/3227431 | 23:03 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds like bad permissions | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l /dev/dri/card0 | 23:04 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 23:04 |
| phaeron | already in the pastie | 23:04 |
| phaeron | :) | 23:05 |
| Stskeeps | uhh :P | 23:05 |
| phaeron | retrying as root | 23:05 |
| phaeron | works as root | 23:06 |
| phaeron | works perfectly :) | 23:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok, well, get to a state where your user can suitably do that as user :) | 23:06 |
| phaeron | weird that plasma works as user | 23:07 |
| Stskeeps | it probably falls back to non-gles | 23:07 |
| phaeron | ok. will debug , thanks | 23:08 |
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| phaeron | chmod 777 still permission denied | 23:13 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps it's already occupied or something odd | 23:14 |
| phaeron | ok rebooting | 23:15 |
| phaeron | this is getting weird | 23:44 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: user can launch widgets gallery in the first Xorg started on boot now | 23:45 |
| phaeron | but still black screen otherwise | 23:46 |
| phaeron | uxlaunch launches Xorg differently ? | 23:47 |
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