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| niqt | morning | 06:34 |
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| Sage | morning | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | morn sage | 07:14 |
| xruxa | morning guys | 07:14 |
| xruxa | http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2012/01/apps-for-meego.html | 07:14 |
| xruxa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42376952/appsformeego1.JPG | 07:14 |
| xruxa | Lets get this on Nemo too, it 'runs' at least ;) | 07:15 |
| Sage | xruxa: sure | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | but backend had issues? | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: for studying the 'competition', http://realnorth.net/blog/tizen-primer-contacto/ | 07:17 |
| xruxa | Stskeeps: looks like this is "one guys's collection of things" more than official docs ;) | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: not really official docs, but this is how their SDK looked like | 07:18 |
| xruxa | they pulled the SDK already out of the web? | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:20 |
| xruxa | so we are back to normal Tizen landscape :) | 07:20 |
| xruxa | Lol, it does look like Bada so much. | 07:21 |
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| Sage | I'm wondering if we should be starting to use [Reg] in bug summary field in case of regressions? Would there be any benefit from this? | 07:40 |
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| veskuh_n9_ | I'll be few minutes late for the bug triage. | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | k | 07:52 |
| veskuh_n9_ | driving+irc is not good combo | 07:53 |
| xruxa | that apps.formeego.org N9 client is very nice (on Nemo even). Do we know Niels Breet and the folks behind it ? | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade, pycage, etc | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: coming to FOSDEM btw? | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | a good bunch of us coming there | 07:59 |
| xruxa | Stskeeps: yes I hope, it is just 2 hours drive from here | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh_n9_: we'll just start the triage when you drop in, not terribly a lot to triage today | 08:04 |
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| Sage | Should I push minicom or picocom to Nemo, opinions? | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | whatfor? | 08:06 |
| Sage | hacking :) | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | :Utils can't hurt | 08:06 |
| Sage | already missed it once but not sure anymore why :) | 08:06 |
| Sage | and it is on my post it note on desk. | 08:07 |
| Sage | yes, was thining :Utils | 08:07 |
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| Stskeeps | OK, triage meeting in #mer-meeting now | 08:21 |
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| Sage | ok, will check the tracker thing first | 08:52 |
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| Sage | btw, pycage is the musicshelf devel. Anyone know if he wants to start maintaining it in Nemo? | 09:01 |
| Sage | based on git logs that app has resource policies integrated as well now so it should work quite nicely with phone functionality | 09:02 |
| mikhas | TBH, I think pycage's time is better used by writing new code, instead of maintenance. | 09:15 |
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| Sage | mikhas: understandale. I'm fine by anyone doing that I just think it is fair to give the creator a change to do it if he likes to do it. | 09:20 |
| Sage | s/creator/author/ | 09:22 |
| Sage | does exopc have blanking problem still and has anyone looked into that? | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | BTW, i discovered yesterday mer doesn't seem to build with GNU style symbol hashes | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | so i'll send a patch for that soon - when launching an app, looking up a symbol is 50% faster, which can matter a lot with qt | 10:26 |
| Sage | veskuh: up for testing tracker and people app? | 10:32 |
| veskuh | Yep | 10:33 |
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| Sage | veskuh: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=tracker&oproject=Project%3AMTF%3ATracker&package=tracker&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AProject%3AMTF%3ATracker&rev=3 this should do it. | 10:34 |
| Sage | need compile though | 10:34 |
| Sage | don't install that tracker 0.12.9 version :) | 10:35 |
| Sage | tried that for fun and noted that well we need a lot of changes before we could even think of updating from 0.10.x series to 0.12.x | 10:35 |
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| veskuh | A bit surprising that we have that much tracker dependencies | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, harmattan was a bit of http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/12/12720/13025785.jpg | 10:38 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: :) | 10:38 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: :D | 10:39 |
| veskuh | "If you still have problems just use more tracker" | 10:39 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: things like symbol hashes - is it reasonable to document that in any way - toolchain config? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: when it comes to toolchain changes, the spec is really the most authorative | 10:41 |
| lbt | fair - is it commented? and is it linked/referenced from the toolchain page? | 10:41 |
| lbt | (just picking this as an instance ... there's probably more and less important ones :) ) | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | toolchain is a wide term :) | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | gcc+binutils is the usual way | 10:43 |
| lbt | yeah ... better than "package building" | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | and glibc | 10:43 |
| lbt | 'compiler end' | 10:43 |
| Sage | veskuh: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=tracker&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AProject%3AMTF%3ATracker&repository=CE_UX_MTF_armv7hl | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think i can document this, but i want to get rid of the old cross compile approach before we document it | 10:44 |
| Sage | veskuh: let me know if that helps | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | as that cleans up matters a lot | 10:44 |
| lbt | good point | 10:44 |
| veskuh | Sage: testing | 10:44 |
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| veskuh | Sage: Works after reboot | 10:55 |
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| Sage | veskuh: so all is fine with that patch? | 10:55 |
| veskuh | yep, People works as it should, and the other apps seem to work too. | 10:58 |
| Sage | ok | 10:59 |
| veskuh | And my next bug fix works too not with this. We will finally get call history with names :) | 11:00 |
| Sage | will push forward that patch then | 11:00 |
| veskuh | s/not/now/ | 11:00 |
| veskuh | yep | 11:00 |
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| Sage | ok, so then the package manager thing. | 11:05 |
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| Sage | how to force cursor for Xorg? | 11:19 |
| Sage | with -nocursor it can be taken off but without that there is still no cursor | 11:19 |
| Sage | when running plain xterm | 11:20 |
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| smoku | Sage: try xsetroot -cursor_name default | 11:35 |
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| Sage | smoku: added Option "SWCursor" "true" in xorg.conf :) | 11:38 |
| Sage | but need to test that xsetroot | 11:39 |
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| Sage | veskuh, Stskeeps: we have a architecture bug in our repos btw. qt-components needs meegotouch-theme-darko or some other theme to function. | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | not unsurprising, though | 11:40 |
| veskuh | true | 11:40 |
| Sage | virtual const string Maliit::InputContext::DBus::Address::get() const Error spawning command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=79f1eacf0513af4eb3740b1c0000000d --binary-syntax --close-stderr': Failed to execute child process "dbus-launch" (Permission denied) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | well that's not good | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | ls -l `which dbus-launch`? | 11:41 |
| Sage | I wonder what causes that. And should be noted that I'm not using N900 or N950 but well a bit of a custom image on panda to test things :) | 11:42 |
| Sage | which: no dbus-launch in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin) | 11:42 |
| Sage | ok, so I managed to install something that needs that but it is not installed | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | dbus-x11.. | 11:43 |
| Sage | so maliit requires dbus-x11? | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | i think a lot of stuff does | 11:43 |
| Sage | yes, but it doesn't depend on it on package level | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | right, i guess it's kind of assumed it's there when x11 is installed | 11:44 |
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| Sage | yup fixed the issue | 11:44 |
| Sage | 2012-01-09 03:44:14 [libcontextsubscriber] WARNING [infoxmlbackend.cpp:59:InfoXmlBackend::InfoXmlBackend(QObject*)] Registry path "/usr/share/contextkit/providers/" is not a directory or is not readable! | 11:46 |
| * Sage throws his mouse away :) | 11:46 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/3153763 mer missing some sqlite driver? | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | hmmmm | 11:48 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 11:49 | |
| Stskeeps | SQLite auto-detection... () | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | g++ -c -pipe -O2 -Wall -W -I../../../mkspecs/linux-g++ -I. -I/usr/include/freetype2 -o sqlite.o sqlite.cpp | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | g++ -Wl,-O1 -o sqlite sqlite.o -lsqlite3 -lfontconfig -ldl | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | SQLite enabled. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | libqtsql4-sqlite | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | got that package installed? | 11:50 |
| Sage | no :) | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | well that's why then.. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:50 |
| Sage | hmmp... something probably should depend on it if it is used already | 11:52 |
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| Sage | veskuh: that dialer SR is not valid. | 11:56 |
| veskuh | what's wrong with it? | 11:57 |
| Sage | veskuh: you should do -Version: 0.2.3+git76+ce15ce8 -> +Version: 0.2.3+git76+61d0994 as the version can be actually lower with hashes, thus you should alway remember to increment the git<difference> number to the valid git commit count | 11:57 |
| Sage | that git76 tells how many commit after the version 0.2.3 IIRC? someone else might confirm this | 11:58 |
| veskuh | I see, I'll update the request after coffee break | 11:59 |
| Sage | k, thx | 11:59 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps, veskuh: http://pastie.org/3154059 | 12:47 |
| Sage | so to me it seems that things go bad because we don't have signed repos/packages | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | admin authentication != signing? | 12:48 |
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| Sage | lines 3 and 4 | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | ahh.. | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:48 |
| Sage | to get our package manager to work we would need to change <allow_any>no</allow_any> -> <allow_any>yes</allow_any> | 12:49 |
| veskuh | I think this policy is tuned for netbook, in Nemo we could allow install of any package by regular user | 12:49 |
| Sage | veskuh: well if i have undesrtood correctly package kit would allow that already _IF_ our repos would be signed | 12:50 |
| Sage | but our repos are not signed thus it fails | 12:50 |
| veskuh | which file is that? | 12:52 |
| Sage | policy/org.freedesktop.packagekit.policy.in in packagekit tarball | 12:53 |
| Sage | veskuh: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=PackageKit&oproject=CE%3AMW%3AShared&package=PackageKit&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&rev=3 | 12:56 |
| Sage | if you want to try it out that fixes the issue. | 12:56 |
| Sage | but creates a bit of a security risk there | 12:57 |
| veskuh | Well, the risk is on the same level as in using zypper If I understood correctly | 12:57 |
| Sage | well, no. zypper doesn't allow installing packages as user | 12:59 |
| Sage | user needs to either sudo or be as root user | 12:59 |
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| * Sage ponders if there is somekind of way to whilelist some repo URL's for safe download without certificates | 13:07 | |
| Stskeeps | you can disable gpg check can't you? | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | in zypper repos.d | 13:07 |
| Sage | already did, but that doesn't make packagekit trust those repos | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | paranoid software.. | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:08 |
| Sage | :D | 13:08 |
| Sage | I would say that only the default configs. You can bypass with config change | 13:09 |
| Sage | anyway the fix for the issue is there, it is just that we need to decide if we want it in as such or not. Only other way I see is to sign repositories. | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | let's bring it up for RM meeting tomorrow | 13:12 |
| Sage | ok, new info there should be way without the patch. Pinging people that knows more :) | 13:15 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what did you do for the review proces. It seems so stable now :) | 13:15 |
| Sage | I'm not complaining it is nice, just wondering what was the magic :) | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer%2Fboss-workflow.git;a=commit;h=5aaff911230e1c0469b542f446dcee711e9b6852 | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | though there's an error in the log fetcher it seems | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | turns out there's a bug in obs, if you commit a package -while- it's doing the localdep scheduler stuff, it returns 500 internal server error | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | still not very satisfied with the process though | 13:21 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ConsoleKit <- consolekit seems to be obsoleting might want to track that status on Mer as well | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | there's already a bug for that | 13:25 |
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| Sage | ok | 13:27 |
| Sage | and our PAM is not working apparently | 13:27 |
| Sage | the package thing failure is not in packagekit but in consolekit not getting active | 13:27 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/3154215 <- | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | hmmmm | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | bug please | 13:28 |
| Sage | so probably ck pam doesn't work with our systemd | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | that's likely | 13:29 |
| * Sage point polkit | 13:34 | |
| Sage | s/point/points/ | 13:35 |
| Sage | ok. need to patch things | 13:35 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: is polkit only dep to consolekit in Mer? | 13:38 |
| Sage | or only package that requres consolekit | 13:39 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: think so | 13:42 |
| Sage | ok I think we can drop it soon then | 13:45 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=polkit&oproject=Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&package=polkit&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&rev=5 | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:47 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/3154356 eh | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | oh, yeah | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | uxlaunch deps on consolekit | 13:57 |
| Sage | that is install time dep at least | 13:57 |
| Sage | not sure though what it does for code | 13:58 |
| * Sage checks | 13:58 | |
| Sage | if WITH_CONSOLEKIT | 13:59 |
| Sage | \o/ :() | 13:59 |
| Sage | :) | 13:59 |
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| beford | morning | 14:21 |
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| Sage | \o/ | 14:41 |
| Sage | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61 fixed! | 14:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61#c2 | 14:42 |
| veskuh | Sage: Cool! | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 14:42 |
| Sage | searched from totally wrong place :P | 14:43 |
| Sage | change from sysvinit to systemd broke this very long time ago | 14:43 |
| Sage | doesn't make it in to next release but one after that. | 14:44 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4031 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4031 | 14:44 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4031 Accepted promotion request | 14:50 |
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| Sage | araujo: hi, I assigned one bug to you about dbus-x11 dep. | 15:32 |
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| araujo | Sage, yes, saw it | 15:39 |
| araujo | will get into it in a bit | 15:39 |
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| cyril | Hi | 18:05 |
| cyril | Is there a page that describes which of N900 hw devices (wireless, phone etc...) are supported my nemo? | 18:06 |
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| Sage | cyril: we don't have one that lists those clearly, but most of it works. Anything specific you are interested of? | 18:53 |
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| cyril | Sage : phone and wireless are the two that I cared most about | 19:45 |
| cyril | Sage : and specifically, do they rely on closed source bits or not? | 19:45 |
| Sage | cyril: phone and wifi work. Phone is free oss driver in ofono, wifi has some prorietary blobs for mac setup and firmware | 19:48 |
| Sage | cyril: but mainly oss | 19:48 |
| cyril | Sage : ok, thanks! Does the phone driver handle 3G as well? | 19:57 |
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