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| iekku | morning | 04:32 |
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| Sage | morning | 05:26 |
| beford | hello | 05:27 |
| * Sage is unable to select word wrap in libreoffice draw | 05:27 | |
| Sage | there is option "Word wrap text in shape" but it is inactive :/ | 05:27 |
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| Sage | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/misc/Nemomobile-OBS-project-structure-draft.png | 06:23 |
| Sage | first draft | 06:23 |
| Sage | veskuh, w00t, Stskeeps, et al. ^ | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/images/stories/samsung_bada_arch.jpg comes to mind | 06:34 |
| Sage | \o/ manged to get the text wrap :D | 06:35 |
| Sage | a bit hackish way but I don't care atm :) | 06:36 |
| Sage | btw, feedback and comments welcome. | 06:38 |
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| Sage | Updated the obs project structure image. | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | better | 07:19 |
| Sage | I would have liked to separate the MW, UX and Apps projects a bit as well but not sure yet how that could be put. | 07:21 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:38 |
| veskuh | Sage looks nice | 07:41 |
| marquiz | Sage: yesterday i tested ofono on n950 a bit | 07:45 |
| marquiz | i guess you read the comment | 07:45 |
| marquiz | but anyway, the problem (with gprs) seems to be that connman doesn't configure the interface | 07:45 |
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| Sage | marquiz: well we had a patch to that in old connman but the upstream mainer claimed it is now fixed. | 08:01 |
| Sage | Might be that we need the fix by jpeltonen in again. | 08:01 |
| marquiz | Sage: k | 08:02 |
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| veskuh | in which project dialer is? | 08:57 |
| veskuh | is project:MTF:Tracker the only place? | 08:58 |
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| xruxa | Sage: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Mer/misc/Nemomobile-OBS-project-structure-draft.png wondering how can one have apps under framework under common components ... is it all upside down? | 09:09 |
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| Sage | xruxa: well, couldn't decide how to do the picture Mer Core up or down :P | 09:10 |
| Sage | Anyway should be remembered that it is OBS project graph not architecture graph. In architecture Adapations would be other side of Mer core. | 09:10 |
| Sage | nothing prevents me drawing it like that though... | 09:11 |
| xruxa | Offtopic - if I install Ubuntu 11.04 parallel to 11.10 to share same home partition, will it blow up in my face? | 09:15 |
| w00t | if in doubt, always take backups | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: gnome settings and such maybe.. | 09:16 |
| xruxa | I just really hate 11.10 | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | we should really make a proper mer netbook ui | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:16 |
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| w00t | focus.. :P | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | sorry | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:23 |
| iekku | 11.10 </3 | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | what is your perception on when the meeting is? 1h30m from now? | 09:31 |
| iekku | wife updated it and since that i have only heard bad things about ubuntu | 09:32 |
| * xruxa hates 11.10. Pulling 11.04 ISO | 09:33 | |
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| * Sage should update to fedora 16 ;) | 09:38 | |
| Sage | with xfce probably as the gnome 3 isn't really usable. | 09:39 |
| w00t | Sage: f16's gnome 3 isn't that bad | 09:39 |
| w00t | (imo) | 09:39 |
| w00t | only one day's worth of use so far, but still | 09:39 |
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| Sage | w00t: well all I need from the UX is, alt+tab, alt+f2 and some indicators (wifi, bt, date, time) and working dual monitor. | 09:54 |
| Sage | on my f15 I'm currently calling "xrandr --output HDMI1 --above eDP1" to get monitors aligned as I like. | 09:54 |
| Sage | the SG meeting is in 1hour 5min? | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, let's say it is so? | 09:57 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3571 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/3571 | 10:19 |
| dcthang | well, any idea if N950's camera broken with the newest package? | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we could put PhoneGap on top of Nemo | 10:34 |
| dcthang | PhoneGap? why? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | because it's less vaporware than tizen? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | and OSS | 10:35 |
| * dm8tbr liked the comment from the MIC mail 'because it could take long before we see it' or sthg like that | 10:35 | |
| dcthang | ok, reasonable for that | 10:35 |
| mikhas | Stskeeps, would there be good reasons against it? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | mikhas: i'm having difficulties finding any | 10:36 |
| mikhas | PhoneGap seems to have a decent community | 10:36 |
| dcthang | Phonegap is acquired by adobe | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.phonegap.com/w/page/16494811/PhoneGap-Symbian-%28Qt%29 is interesting too | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: yeah, but a apache foundation project | 10:37 |
| mikhas | dcthang, that means someone is willing to make it as polished as Flash | 10:37 |
| mikhas | that is, it's a good sign, in my book | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.phonegap.com/ | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | heh, nice | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | ANNOUNCE: Nemo Mobile steering group meeting in 8 minutes in #mer-meeting | 10:53 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3571 Accepted promotion request | 11:08 |
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| tbf | Sage: regarding the many dependencies of tracker... they are needed by the file system miner | 11:44 |
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| tbf | Sage: ideally all apps would update their meta data themself... | 11:45 |
| tbf | so you'd only need miners when adding files from outside | 11:45 |
| tbf | Sage: but even there i'd agree that the native apps shall do the indexing, instead of some crazy fs miner | 11:45 |
| tbf | rationale: fewer system dependencies, consistent experience, and not worth to produce meta data you cannot process with any apps | 11:46 |
| tbf | Sage: so yes, tracker-fs-miner must die | 11:47 |
| tbf | from my pv | 11:47 |
| tbf | pov | 11:47 |
| w00t | now we just need to convince tracker! | 11:48 |
| tbf | w00t: afaik they'd love getting rid of the miner | 11:49 |
| Sage | :D | 11:49 |
| tbf | w00t: it's just their today's solution for a horribly broken world | 11:49 |
| tbf | so actually with nemo there'd be the chance to try meta data the pure way | 11:50 |
| mikhas | you should get ivan here | 11:50 |
| tbf | he'll tell the same :-) | 11:51 |
| tbf | Sage: w00t: so probably for adding tracker to nemo, i'd probably really start by packaging without tracker-fs-miner at all | 11:52 |
| tbf | → dependency hell solved | 11:52 |
| tbf | → tracker-sucking-battery-in-background problem also gone away | 11:52 |
| tbf | problem: meta data search won't work | 11:53 |
| tbf | so in a next step, apps would have to be updated to put meta data into tracker | 11:53 |
| Sage | main things using tracker are sms, dialer, people etc. | 11:54 |
| tbf | guess they don't want to deal with RDF directly, so for common use-cases a small framework would be needed | 11:54 |
| tbf | Sage: you can do so much more | 11:54 |
| tbf | Sage: imagine the email app writes meta data... | 11:54 |
| mikhas | browser | 11:54 |
| tbf | and your notes app | 11:54 |
| mikhas | media player | 11:54 |
| tbf | media player - prime example | 11:54 |
| tbf | calendar | 11:55 |
| Sage | we don't have all of those in Nemo :) | 11:55 |
| mikhas | you will have | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | if anyone contributes them | 11:55 |
| mikhas | => need to plan for that future already, or it will never happen | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:55 |
| Sage | not atm. so I don't see those as a problem as we need to write the apps first :) | 11:55 |
| mikhas | no, writing apps first, tracker agnostic, does NOT work | 11:55 |
| Sage | mikhas: ?? | 11:55 |
| mikhas | the semantic store (+ framework to use it) needs to exist | 11:56 |
| mikhas | otherwise, apps start using their own db solution | 11:56 |
| mikhas | => you need miners to get their data | 11:56 |
| tbf | ideally also on top of sqlite... | 11:56 |
| tbf | ...with a db schema similar to the normalized schema in tracker :-D | 11:56 |
| w00t | are either of you volunteering to work on any of this? because otherwise, it'll probably be left to Sage | 11:56 |
| w00t | :P | 11:56 |
| w00t | the best way to make something happen, etc... | 11:57 |
| Sage | mikhas: If you do the work I'm all for it :) | 11:57 |
| tbf | darn! :-) | 11:57 |
| tbf | are they mockups? | 11:57 |
| Sage | we don't have notes or calendar at all | 11:58 |
| Sage | we have video player but that would need total rewrite probably anyway | 11:58 |
| tbf | damn... need a mer friendly device for hacking :-D | 11:58 |
| veskuh | Sage: yep, videoplayer is useless | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | tbf: no N900? | 11:58 |
| Sage | I can agree with dropping the miner from tracker. And I can do that probably. | 11:58 |
| tbf | Stskeeps: its usb port is dead | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | tbf: and i presume you don't have a jig | 11:59 |
| tbf | Stskeeps: not anymore | 11:59 |
| tbf | Stskeeps: also flashing sucks without usb ;-) | 11:59 |
| Sage | mikhas: I meant that I agree having tracker as storage after dropping the miner. And I meant taht we can already drop fs as we con't have any apps using that I think. | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | tbf: uboot | 11:59 |
| tbf | should finally find one with soldering skills to fix the port for me | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | tbf: got a exopc? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | or similar | 12:00 |
| tbf | guess can get some | 12:01 |
| tbf | oh. exopc | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | we can run nemo on X86 too | 12:01 |
| w00t | or lenovo | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | and soon in LLVMpipe/virtual machines too | 12:01 |
| tbf | not "epoxy" | 12:01 |
| tbf | w00t: such a device i have... | 12:02 |
| tbf | w00t: and actually i'd very much would love making use of it | 12:02 |
| * w00t nods | 12:02 | |
| w00t | got nemo on mine too :P | 12:02 |
| Sage | nemo runs quite nicely on lenovo ideapad | 12:02 |
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| veskuh | btw; is there any install instructions needed for x86 image? I'd like to see them in wiki if they are needed.. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: write to usb stick, boot.. | 12:05 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: yep, I might manage that without instructions :) | 12:05 |
| w00t | it's pretty simple, the same as any other OS | 12:05 |
| Sage | if you want to install to hdd, start terminal, su, run installer-shell | 12:05 |
| w00t | the install bit is less obvious, but still not that hard | 12:05 |
| w00t | ^ | 12:06 |
| niqt | i shoul try it on my wetab, it's similar lenovo or expopc | 12:16 |
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| Sage | niqt: it works on it. However there is the screen going black issue similar to exopc | 12:24 |
| niqt | i write it... i have fault memory | 12:25 |
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| tbf | big question now: how to get http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111128.3.CE.2011-12-01.2/images/nemo-handset-i586-testing/ onto an idea pad? | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | write it to a usb stick | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | win32diskimager | 13:09 |
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| w00t | http://twitter.com/vivainio/status/146595195620823042 | 14:20 |
| w00t | xruxa: ^ | 14:20 |
| w00t | veskuh: ^ too | 14:20 |
| veskuh | Wow | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | this makes me ponder if they managed to get someone from legal drunk at a christmas lunch | 14:23 |
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| xruxa | w00t: ha, good move :) | 14:26 |
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| xruxa | just wondering what "product icons" means ... do not care much for icons, do care for the theme graphics :) | 14:27 |
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| w00t | i imagine it includes pretty much most of the theme, but let's see | 14:27 |
| veskuh | Yes, it should cover the graphics also. As the target it be able to make and run harmattan qt apps on other platforms | 14:39 |
| w00t | :) | 14:40 |
| xruxa | Cool | 14:40 |
| w00t | i still think it's an odd decision personally, but one i'm happy with | 14:40 |
| w00t | :P | 14:40 |
| xruxa | I think this is decision taken almost year too late | 14:41 |
| veskuh | well, actually for symbian we already had gfx open sourced | 14:41 |
| w00t | veskuh: yeah, but well.. symbian isn't as pretty | 14:41 |
| w00t | ;) | 14:41 |
| veskuh | w00t: :) | 14:41 |
| xruxa | Actually, the Symbian stuff is total Frankenstein of N9 style and somethingweirdandfoundonlyonsymbian | 14:42 |
| veskuh | xruxa: yep, the decission come far too late. Luckily villev had the energy to push it. | 14:43 |
| xruxa | I for one, will love to see new theming (Base) for MTF apps and full theme for Components. This will give us boost. | 14:44 |
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| faenil | that is a grea news :) | 14:52 |
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| Sage | wow, so harmattan theme is totally open now? | 15:04 |
| veskuh | Sage: not yet | 15:04 |
| Sage | veskuh: what is missing then? | 15:05 |
| veskuh | Sage: we got legal ok, but apparently there is still some branding people involved and we need to cherry pick the stuff that can be released | 15:05 |
| Sage | ah | 15:05 |
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| faenil | for those of you who're part of Launchpad, Lumia 800 is available as a gift :D | 15:15 |
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| niqt | <fenil> have you received a mail? | 15:18 |
| faenil | in case anyone is interested, of course :D | 15:18 |
| faenil | nope, read some tweets and logged in to check | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: easy xmas gifts.. | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:18 |
| xruxa | I want Lumia for one. Bummer. | 15:18 |
| faenil | Stskeeps: :) It's not an R&D N9, but still a very nice phone :D | 15:18 |
| veskuh | faenil: Not even jealous, I did enough tweaking of autoexec.bat and config.sys already when I was a kid ;) | 15:19 |
| xruxa | it has camera button. Game changer for me. | 15:19 |
| veskuh | xruxa: true | 15:19 |
| veskuh | altough I've heard about pocket-pictures :) | 15:19 |
| xruxa | I regularly disconnect calls with my ear on N9, go figure what went wrong with the proximity sensor | 15:20 |
| faenil | veskuh: don't be cruel :D | 15:21 |
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| xruxa | BTW, if there are still some old N900 I'd like to have one, the solder job I did on mine will not last long | 15:24 |
| faenil | :) | 15:24 |
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| * Sage is affraid when his N900 breaks :/ | 15:32 | |
| Sage | would be nice to have a spare one as I have heard so many horror stories about the usb connector :/ | 15:32 |
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| Sage | to bad that jig doesn't have usb connector so that doesn't reduce the usb usage :/ | 15:34 |
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| faenil | did I lose the meeting? has it already been done? | 15:36 |
| Sage | yes, meeting was almost 5 hours ago | 15:38 |
| faenil | ok, let's read the log :) | 15:38 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: we really need a page for #mer-meeting that contains the meeting times :) | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:39 |
| Sage | with links to some website that shows the time on everytimezone | 15:39 |
| xruxa | was it mer-meeting or nemo-meeting? | 15:39 |
| faenil | it's written on the wiki :) 11 utc, 13est | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: mer | 15:40 |
| * xruxa was it the wrong place, and was not alone. Should have noticed the meeting bot was not there :( | 15:40 | |
| Sage | You won't get lost if you ask around ;) | 15:41 |
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| faenil | brb guys :) cya later | 15:56 |
| faenil | oh one thing first, none in #harmattan was able to help with :) | 15:56 |
| faenil | I have plugged my N9 to my linux laptop via USB | 15:57 |
| faenil | copied all files over from DCIM folder, and then deleted all files in that folder on the N9 | 15:57 |
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