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| araujo | Sage, ok, will send a combine request next time, though I guess for this case, we can't update package with that unresolvable state?, only option I see is waiting for support to exclude armv6l .... | 01:39 |
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| * araujo wonders when is the next nemo release | 05:58 | |
| iekku | morning | 06:03 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 06:03 |
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| Sage | morning | 07:01 |
| Sage | araujo: was supposed to be today. Not sure yet if that happens though. | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | i have a potentially breaking release so nemo release first, i guess | 07:03 |
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| w00t | oh dear | 07:05 |
| w00t | :P | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, new systemd | 07:05 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3416 Rejected promotion request | 08:16 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3417 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/3417 | 08:18 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well previous nemo was based on the currently latest mer. Also we don't have much changes to last release so I'm pondering if to do release at all. | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | so you'd prefer to have new mer core and do regression testing? | 08:19 |
| xruxa | Sage: why not, maybe we will still get the new good looking keyboard in today ;) | 08:19 |
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| xruxa | ^ or not, mikhas quit :-P | 08:20 |
| Sage | xruxa: that is not in yet thus I'm saying we really don't have much changes | 08:20 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: new systemd shouldn't break anything ;) | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, erm | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:23 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3417 Accepted promotion request | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: brewing 0.20111208.1 | 08:50 |
| Sage | ok | 08:52 |
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| Sage | w00t: any news from the mkcal thing? | 09:05 |
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| w00t | hm.. what was I doing there? (sorry!) | 09:06 |
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| Sage | w00t: qt-mobility organizer | 09:22 |
| w00t | yes, but what about mkcal specifically | 09:22 |
| veskuh | Sage: I have patch for Nemo#14 but maliit does not compile for armv6 | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | can we drop armv6 for now as we have to move nemo forward? | 09:28 |
| w00t | what is wrong with armv6? (no complaints from me, though, provided it's temporary) | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | well, we don't currently have any armv6 targets capable of running nem | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | o | 09:30 |
| veskuh | w00t: http://pastie.org/2985052 | 09:31 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: and if we keep armv6 switched off, we'll never get any, either | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, for now, we are waiting for a toolchain upgrade in mer | 09:32 |
| veskuh | why was armv6 enabled? | 09:32 |
| mikhas | is there anything we need to fix in Maliit? (referring to NM#9) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | if it's the __sync_ stuff, no | 09:33 |
| mikhas | it is | 09:33 |
| mikhas | is the root cause for that known? | 09:34 |
| mikhas | I find a lot of hits in google, but no good answers. | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | i suspect a combination of toolchain and glibc2.13 | 09:35 |
| mikhas | ok | 09:36 |
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| cxl000 | There are a few armv6 packages being used in n8x0. I can copy those as needed. | 10:33 |
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| Sage | veskuh: that compile problem shouldn't block anyone | 10:39 |
| Sage | veskuh: boss should accept it as such still if it fails on the target already. | 10:39 |
| Sage | veskuh: if it doesn' then it is a bug in boss | 10:39 |
| veskuh | Sage: Ok, I'll push it then | 10:40 |
| Sage | veskuh: also I'm waiting for maliit update to 0.81.1 | 10:40 |
| Sage | veskuh: so I rather would like to see that 0.81.1 and after that your fix | 10:40 |
| veskuh | Sage: Ok, no problem. My fix is just two lines anyway :) | 10:41 |
| phaeron | Sage: which one? | 10:44 |
| Sage | phaeron: same thing we talked yesterday with araujo just said it to veskuh | 10:44 |
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| phaeron | which the issue does exist in the built at source check, araujo's problem was a bit more complicated | 10:45 |
| phaeron | *while | 10:45 |
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| araujo | morning | 10:55 |
| araujo | mm... | 10:55 |
| araujo | Sage, maliit update turned to be a bit more complicated ..... | 10:55 |
| araujo | Sage, even though we could get maliit-framework (if it is possible bypassing the 'failed' stated), maliit-plugins won't build because there are no framework packages available for armv6l | 10:56 |
| araujo | dependencies are not satisfied, and hence 'unresolvable' ..... | 10:57 |
| veskuh | mikhas: created https://gitorious.org/maliit/maliit-framework/merge_requests/118 | 10:58 |
| veskuh | xruxa: did you fix the terminal icon yesterday? | 11:04 |
| mikhas | veskuh, thanks | 11:06 |
| Sage | araujo: ah | 11:08 |
| Sage | araujo: lets do it like this. I'll disable the maliit builds for armv6l then boss doesn't check those and you resubmit | 11:10 |
| Sage | araujo: try the combined request now | 11:11 |
| araujo | Sage, sounds good to me | 11:11 |
| araujo | ok, hold :P | 11:11 |
| Sage | phaeron: ^ fyi | 11:11 |
| * Sage takes deep breath | 11:11 | |
| phaeron | yeah following | 11:11 |
| phaeron | as I said exclusion support is already in master just need to deploy it | 11:11 |
| phaeron | and configure it | 11:12 |
| Sage | phaeron: btw, was the arch and version pattern thing already merged to our obs? | 11:12 |
| phaeron | Sage: lbt_away is not around to do the upgrade :( | 11:13 |
| Sage | ah :/ | 11:13 |
| phaeron | everything else is in place | 11:13 |
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| Sage | ok | 11:16 |
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| araujo | Sage, any plan to add gtk+ support for Mer ? .... :P | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:26 |
| araujo | mm.. | 11:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's easy to add on top but it really really bloats the stack | 11:27 |
| w00t | well ... someone else could always try it, somewhere, on top of mer | 11:27 |
| w00t | ;) | 11:27 |
| Sage | araujo: ***l no :) | 11:28 |
| araujo | ok, just bit confusing here, Maliit is in CE:MW:Shared , this is not _exactly_ Mer Core right?, .... nevertheless, Gtk+ is not available for that repo and hence no Gtk+ IC support for Maliit :( | 11:28 |
| matrixx | I heard Cordia already runs on top of Mer | 11:28 |
| matrixx | so I guess it's done already in that image | 11:28 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, Sage ^^ my concern | 11:29 |
| Sage | araujo: concern? | 11:29 |
| Sage | araujo: if there is need for gtk support then it should be separete plugin, right? | 11:29 |
| araujo | Sage, but it needs to build there in the same repository | 11:30 |
| Sage | araujo: what does? | 11:30 |
| Sage | maliit? | 11:30 |
| araujo | it needs gtk+ | 11:30 |
| araujo | yes | 11:30 |
| Sage | :( | 11:30 |
| araujo | as a build dependency | 11:30 |
| araujo | that is it | 11:30 |
| Sage | it was separete package in mtf imframework or something why it is not such now? | 11:31 |
| araujo | Sage, yes, meegotouch-imbridged , that was merged upstream with maliit-framework | 11:31 |
| Sage | I really don't want to have the gtk stuff in CE:MW:Shared or below that it brings so much pain in so many different levels. | 11:31 |
| araujo | (meegotouch-inputmethodbridges) | 11:31 |
| Sage | my suggestion separete it again ;) | 11:32 |
| veskuh | or can't cordia and other gtk users just build the package themselves? | 11:32 |
| araujo | Sage, we are maintaining now upstream ... | 11:32 |
| araujo | mikhas, ^^ | 11:32 |
| Sage | araujo: I know, that should be separete plugin in my opinion. | 11:33 |
| * Sage wants to avoid non needed dependencies on the lower level. | 11:33 | |
| mikhas | araujo, our package guidelines say that GTK+ IM and Qt IM are two different packages | 11:33 |
| * Sage wins | 11:33 | |
| Sage | ;) | 11:33 |
| mikhas | if that's not the case in Nemo, it needs to be fixed. | 11:33 |
| araujo | mikhas, but they are building from the same source | 11:34 |
| mikhas | well then we need a swithc to disable compilation | 11:34 |
| araujo | mikhas, we would need to release a different source package then | 11:34 |
| mikhas | we probably use pkg-config already to detect features | 11:34 |
| araujo | right now, we just build a subpackage for it (RPM) | 11:34 |
| mikhas | araujo, ah, I see | 11:34 |
| mikhas | separate source package then | 11:34 |
| araujo | yes | 11:34 |
| mikhas | if that's the consequence | 11:35 |
| araujo | we would need that | 11:35 |
| mikhas | shouldnt be hard to do | 11:35 |
| * araujo understands the concern of Sage and agrees | 11:35 | |
| araujo | mikhas, so, should we go that way? | 11:35 |
| mikhas | well, if Nemo really does not want GTK+ support, then yes | 11:35 |
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| araujo | mikhas, well, Nemo wants, is Mer ... heheh ... which makes me wonder, Sage ... where Maliit fits there? , hehehe | 11:36 |
| Sage | araujo: nemo wants gtk2 support? | 11:36 |
| araujo | Maliit can't be said to be in Nemo ..... but can't be said to be in Mer either ... just somewhere in the Middle ... this is harder to describe than Nirvana :P | 11:36 |
| mikhas | araujo, maliit base in Mer, maliit GTK+ IM for Mer | 11:36 |
| mikhas | there you go | 11:36 |
| mikhas | I am fine with Maliit being completely in Nemo, not Mer | 11:37 |
| araujo | Sage, I mean we could get gtk+2 support there in Nemo? | 11:37 |
| Sage | araujo: maliit is part of Nemo Middleware atm. | 11:37 |
| mikhas | Sage, araujo, make it optional so that the dependency could pull in the GTK support? | 11:38 |
| Sage | araujo: and I can bend so much that we could create CE:MW:GTK that would contains gtk and maliit gtk im | 11:38 |
| araujo | "Nemo Middleware" ..... ok | 11:38 |
| Sage | however maliit itself will be in CE:MW:Shared which doesn't have gtk | 11:38 |
| * Sage really should start drawing graphs about this | 11:38 | |
| araujo | hehehehe | 11:38 |
| * Sage add to his TODO list | 11:39 | |
| veskuh | Sage: That would be good, there are plenty of people that are confused about these things. Also, updating the Nemo OBS map on wiki is important to keep people on same page. | 11:39 |
| araujo | mikhas, yes, well, it would be a totally different source package ... | 11:39 |
| Sage | veskuh: :nod: | 11:40 |
| araujo | like meegotouch-inputmethodbridges | 11:40 |
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| araujo | Sage, then when we would throw that package in by the way? (the gtk+2 support) :) | 11:40 |
| mikhas | our package guidelines dont say anything about how to split source packages, right? | 11:40 |
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| araujo | mikhas, exactly , nothing about it | 11:40 |
| mikhas | yeah then | 11:40 |
| mikhas | go ahead with whatever fits ;-) | 11:41 |
| araujo | mikhas, I will write the guidelines , no problem | 11:41 |
| araujo | :P | 11:41 |
| xruxa | veskuh: Fixed icons for everything I could find broken, term, TwimGo, QatBowling, Kaasvopus ... and also some non-broken ones got update, like MAD and Package manager. | 11:41 |
| Sage | araujo: well, I would say in next week or two maybe. We don't have gtk build atm. ... and well I really want to strip it to minimum at first and add features when people need them not straight away. | 11:42 |
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| veskuh | xruxa: Ok, nice I'll mark the bug about terminal icon fixed then. | 11:42 |
| araujo | Sage, then 'disabling' gtk for now ....... | 11:42 |
| araujo | mikhas, ^^ | 11:42 |
| Sage | araujo: yes, and when it would come it would need to be separate package. like meegotouch-imputmethodbridges | 11:42 |
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| araujo | Sage, yup | 11:42 |
| * Sage adds very very very small gtk print to his todo post-it notes | 11:43 | |
| mikhas | GTK+ hater =p | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | isn't there like a --disable-gtk in the source package? | 11:43 |
| mikhas | we dont have that yet | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:44 |
| mikhas | I was suggesting to add such | 11:44 |
| Sage | mikhas: well it is not as much gtk but mainly the dependencies. :) | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a feature request, yeah | 11:44 |
| mikhas | it's easy to do | 11:44 |
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| mikhas | but we can even do that behind the curtains, via pkg-config | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | mer's a qt stack and will stay that way, though others have with success added gtk on top if they really wanted it | 11:44 |
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| xruxa | veskuh: was that term icon bug for CE theme or Darko? I fixed Darko only. | 11:46 |
| veskuh | xruxa: I think the issue is in both, so I'll leave it open then. | 11:47 |
| araujo | Stskeeps, it is fine, if it doesn't find the devel headers , it won't build gtk+, so we can update maliit now without it , right mikhas ? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | sounds sane | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | at least how other packages do it | 11:48 |
| mikhas | araujo, sure, if that works already, all the better | 11:48 |
| araujo | mikhas, yup, works fine now | 11:49 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I'm preparing the pattern-builder package atm. | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:50 |
| Sage | it needs update to OBS before we can use it though | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 11:51 |
| Sage | phaeron: you have the obs pattern fix github link near? | 11:51 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well we don't want to hack the patterns same way meego did but do it well better :) | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 11:52 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: currently the patterns are different depending on the architecture so it is not really noarch package | 11:52 |
| phaeron | it's in master https://github.com/openSUSE/open-build-service/pull/12 | 11:53 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: there is way in patterns say that this patterns is for i586 only and this for armv7l only but OBS just didn't accept those yet. | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 11:54 |
| phaeron | anytime :) | 11:55 |
| Sage | phaeron: thx :) | 11:56 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: what kind of patterns/groups you need for Mer repos? | 11:58 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp... you probably can't use the same thing there | 11:59 |
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| randompasserby | HALLO | 13:27 |
| randompasserby | Got a quick question for anyone who reads this. | 13:27 |
| randompasserby | Anyone here knows if Nemo will be coming to Nokia N9? | 13:27 |
| veskuh | Well, there is already hacks to run it, but no official support. | 13:28 |
| veskuh | it is at the moment not clear if we can have proper support for it. | 13:30 |
| randompasserby | Oka :/ | 13:30 |
| randompasserby | Guess I'll just take a gamble and buy the N9 then :D If official support never comes I'll just have to cry myself to sleep every night. | 13:30 |
| mikhas | randompasserby, how costly will your N9 be? | 13:31 |
| veskuh | Even with the support it is still hacker os. | 13:31 |
| * mikhas wants to have the white N9 later | 13:31 | |
| mikhas | veskuh, which doesn't mean it's bad | 13:32 |
| veskuh | mikhas: yep, of course not. | 13:32 |
| randompasserby | mikhas, I'm going to buy it for 4100 DKK (737 $) | 13:32 |
| mikhas | randompasserby, so probably Harmattan for your new N9 for all of 2012 and then Nemo should be decent enough to replace it ;-) | 13:32 |
| mikhas | decent enough meaning it will do some things worse, some things better | 13:33 |
| mikhas | but cover the basic needs + being maintained, or so | 13:33 |
| mikhas | randompasserby, that's quite expensive deal then | 13:33 |
| mikhas | randompasserby, check http://www.cyberport.de/smartphone-und-foto/smartphones/A401-23J/nokia-n9-64gb-black.html | 13:34 |
| mikhas | => 550€ | 13:34 |
| randompasserby | mikhas: I am pretty used to use a hacker OS :D I am a tinfoil hat dude so I love Hacker OS over offical any time. | 13:35 |
| randompasserby | mikhas: Thanks for the link | 13:35 |
| mikhas | np | 13:35 |
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| marquiz_ | evening | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | evening marquiz_ | 18:29 |
| marquiz_ | i'm soon ready to push the first version of the modified moslo ot pub obs | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:29 |
| marquiz_ | it has now fb2text and automatic re-partitioning support | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | someone claimed to me there's actually a moslo partition on N9 | 18:29 |
| marquiz_ | cool | 18:30 |
| marquiz_ | seen jukka around lately? | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea if nolo supports it though, but i'd be positively surprised | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | he's mostly on twitter and looking for work, i think | 18:30 |
| marquiz_ | we'd need a ginny pig | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:30 |
| Stskeeps | jukka at jukka dot com | 18:31 |
| marquiz_ | mm, maybe i'll email him | 18:32 |
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| marquiz_ | Stskeeps: fyi, moslo is now in home:marquiz:n950 | 19:34 |
| marquiz_ | no instructions in wiki (or anywhere else), yet, though | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | alright | 19:39 |
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