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| veskuh | New wiki for Nemo. Now under merproject.org. http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 08:58 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Welcome to Nemo Mobile! | This channel is logged, view them at http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23nemomobile/latest.log.html | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo" | 08:59 | |
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| KaziKluBey | My partition manager tells me i have 3,5GB ext4,linux swap 8MB,boot(fat) 32MB, 11,3GB fat32. Are linux swap and boot created when running win32 disk imager? I´d like to get 8GB for nemo and 8GB fat 32 | 09:09 |
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| Sage_ | \o/ | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | oh right, you weren't in the meeting yesterday | 09:30 |
| veskuh | 'lo Sage_ nice to see you here :) | 09:31 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes, wasn't able to follow the meeting read the logs quickly though | 09:31 |
| veskuh | Sage_: I moved the issue list to the new wiki, If you do fixes, better update the new wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 09:32 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: ah, ok | 09:32 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:UX:MTF/ngfd https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2930 : needs review : osc review accept/decline 2930 -m"MESSAGE" | 09:32 |
| Sage_ | hmmp.. I really wonder what was my account for that :) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | 'sage'? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:33 |
| Sage_ | yes, well more like what pass did I put there | 09:33 |
| Sage_ | is there recovery thing? | 09:33 |
| Sage_ | anyone has time to help debugging? | 09:36 |
| lbt | Sage_: I can | 09:37 |
| Sage_ | http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/MTF/CE_UX_MTF_armv7hl/ <- Adding this repo to the previous Nemo image and doing zypper update should solve a lot of problems. However wait until https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Project%3AMTF is compiled fo armv7hl | 09:37 |
| Sage_ | or if you use ia32 then it is already ok | 09:37 |
| Sage_ | problems mentioned in http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Nemo_10-25.1_on_N900 | 09:38 |
| lbt | yeah - that's on my list | 09:38 |
| xruxa | Sage_: can we get new image? The one out there boots to black screen for me. No ssh running, cannot help or test :( | 09:39 |
| * lbt is having issues with ssh too | 09:40 | |
| lbt | xruxa: ssh is started by systemd I think | 09:40 |
| lbt | mine TCP connects and starts an sshd but doesn't complete | 09:40 |
| lbt | I just built an image with vim so I could start to debug it | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: BTW, internal OBS has rpc timeout errors when trying to build against meego | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | it blocks us updating BME | 09:51 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: there is workarond for ssh that isn't in that image | 10:34 |
| Sage_ | a moment | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | (please do send a patch) | 10:35 |
| Sage_ | sed -i 's!StandardInput=socket!StandardInput=socket\nStandardOutput=socket!g' /lib/systemd/system/sshd\@.service | 10:35 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: the patch is in T:T of meego, | 10:35 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: also newer systemd shoudl fix that problem as well | 10:35 |
| * lbt tries to ssh in to cut'n'paste..... | 10:35 | |
| lbt | and systemd is top on my list | 10:35 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: you didn't get all the changes from T:T did you? | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i must have missed openssh it seems | 10:35 |
| lbt | I'd like to see some kind of task list for things like this and a TAKE mechanism | 10:36 |
| Sage_ | anyway we should update openssh to the 5.9 | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | right, is just easier for me if someone would send a patch through gerrit ;) | 10:36 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I have some package updates on my todo list. Not sure when I have time for those | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:37 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: how to retrieve forgotten password for wiki.merproject.org+ | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, ask alterego | 10:42 |
| Sage_ | alterego: ping | 10:43 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: does fakeobs work with branch and prj link? | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | prj link is a little more difficult, branch will work | 10:44 |
| lbt | bbiab | 10:44 |
| Sage_ | I'm just wondering if I would change e.g. bash package how to verify that the new bash package will not break any of the existing packages, where prj link would be handy. | 10:47 |
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| Sage_ | question, we don't have meegotouchfeedback in our MTF ux, should we have? | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: you can do localdep | 10:58 |
| Sage_ | that is ok | 11:00 |
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| Sage_ | veskuh: (because language.sh tries to use gconftool and we have gconftool-2) <- what language.sh? | 11:12 |
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| Sage_ | ah, /etc/profile.d/language.sh | 11:12 |
| veskuh | Yes, that one | 11:12 |
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| Sage_ | No value set for `/meegotouch/i18n/language' | 11:13 |
| veskuh | I guess that would be another problem | 11:14 |
| Sage_ | I wonder what should set that | 11:15 |
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| Sage_ | and also do we really need that language.sh? | 11:16 |
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| Sage_ | well, atm. it just outputs error and defaults to en_US | 11:17 |
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| veskuh | that may effect on how localization works on other fw's than meegotouch, but I think we have more important issues to solve first | 11:19 |
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| Sage_ | ah, bug in the script anyway | 11:22 |
| Sage_ | fixing | 11:22 |
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| Sage_ | veskuh: http://pastie.org/2798334 | 11:27 |
| Sage_ | now hoping that cobs would come up again | 11:28 |
| veskuh | I wonder if that would fix the language applet or is that a separate issue | 11:28 |
| Sage_ | might be same issue | 11:29 |
| Sage_ | missing "" markes caused that LANG was not set at all | 11:29 |
| veskuh | yep, that was happening | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: can you cross "Warrenty shows wrong warranty information" and "after su to root or login via ssh: -bash: gconftool: command not found (because language.sh tries to use gconftool and we have gconftool-2)" out from http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 11:30 |
| veskuh | Sure | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | fixed in Project:MTF atm. | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | ok, time to tackle the systemui crash next | 11:31 |
| Sage_ | do we have any volunteers starting of maintaining the Project:MTF and keeping it uptodate with the upstream? | 11:32 |
| Sage_ | maybe should be asked in next SG meeting if someone would be interested of that. | 11:33 |
| * Sage_ tries to get some load of his back atm. | 11:33 | |
| Stskeeps | how many of those are YAML'ifid? | 11:34 |
| w00t | i may be able to help with that | 11:34 |
| w00t | you may also find https://github.com/rburchell/scripts/blob/master/tarball.rb useful in those tasks | 11:35 |
| veskuh | I think I could take some of the easiest packages | 11:35 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I think all of them. | 11:35 |
| w00t | e.g. most of the time just running tarball.rb --outdir=path/to/obs/dir --tag-prefix=harmattan/ in the git dir will work fine | 11:35 |
| w00t | (it should guess the package name, and find the latest tag ok) | 11:36 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I have done yaml for all of those when ever doing changes. | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:36 |
| w00t | I have a seperate script for maintaining patches against packages in git, I should really make that one public sometime | 11:36 |
| Sage_ | w00t: if you could help that would be nice. | 11:36 |
| w00t | Sage_: count me as tentative | 11:37 |
| Sage_ | ok :) | 11:37 |
| w00t | I haven't looked at nemo at all yet, need to find some time and motivation | 11:37 |
| Sage_ | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Nemo_10-25.1_on_N900 <- trying to get those resolved and tested if possible | 11:37 |
| Sage_ | couple of those should be already resolved, however the sysuid crashes so I can't test atm. | 11:38 |
| Sage_ | installing debuginfo atm. to my N900 to get some more info | 11:38 |
| Sage_ | also now when the MTF UX is in its own project we could introduce some more nokia libs there that were not accepted to MeeGo to get more functionality fixed. | 11:40 |
| Sage_ | nokia libs that are available to public that is | 11:40 |
| * Sage_ is using gdb first time in nemo image. Intersting to see if everything required is there. | 11:43 | |
| w00t | what libs? | 11:43 |
| w00t | i thought pretty much everything was in | 11:44 |
| w00t | btw, nice that you're making good progress | 11:44 |
| Sage_ | we cut of some deps to some libs | 11:44 |
| w00t | you're my hero :P | 11:44 |
| veskuh | setting LANG did not help language applet crash :( | 11:46 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: ok | 11:46 |
| Sage_ | w00t: :P | 11:46 |
| Sage_ | Overall download size: 319.0 MiB. After the operation, additional 814.0 MiB will be used. | 11:46 |
| * Sage_ hates installing qt-debuginfo | 11:46 | |
| w00t | Sage_: virgin:~/code/qt% du -hs (W44 - 11/02@12:47:09 CET) | 11:47 |
| w00t | 13G. | 11:47 |
| w00t | :-) | 11:47 |
| Sage_ | :P | 11:47 |
| Sage_ | The package integrity check failed. This may be a problem with the repository or media. Try one of the following: | 11:49 |
| Sage_ | :headdesk: | 11:49 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: there might be something funny in mer debuginfo packages. | 11:52 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2798416 | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | any error when manually adding? | 11:53 |
| Sage_ | still processing rpm cmd | 11:53 |
| Sage_ | if that is what you meant | 11:54 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:UX:MTF/meegotouchcp-language https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2931 : needs review : osc review accept/decline 2931 -m"MESSAGE" | 11:55 |
| lbt | mmm can trim that msg too now | 11:55 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 11:56 |
| phaeron | lbt: please wait for new process :D | 11:58 |
| Sage_ | w00t: http://pastie.org/2798433 | 11:59 |
| w00t | oof. | 11:59 |
| Sage_ | any change you could help a bit? :) | 11:59 |
| w00t | mmm | 12:00 |
| vgrade | Sage_, Stskeeps, I used debuginfo on x86 Exopc Mer ok | 12:01 |
| w00t | that's ... | 12:01 |
| w00t | weird | 12:01 |
| w00t | Sage_: i might know someone good to ask though, hold on | 12:01 |
| Sage_ | vgrade: qt debuginfo? | 12:01 |
| Sage_ | w00t: this brings one thing to my mind. If you are up for it meegotouch-systemui should be updated from the current 1.1.9 to 1.2.16. I haven't even though of that myself yet as there is 15 patches in our systemui :/ | 12:04 |
| Sage_ | many of ouf systemui related bugs would probably be fixed in that update | 12:05 |
| Sage_ | migth be a trivial thing though. | 12:06 |
| * Sage_ checks if patches apply | 12:06 | |
| w00t | are we able to zypper up from one day to another with reasonable safety? | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | not yet, xorg is usual culprit | 12:08 |
| w00t | still no clue what is screwing with that? ;) | 12:09 |
| Sage_ | wow, supricingly few patches fail | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: i have a good idea about it | 12:11 |
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| Sage_ | w00t: I'm checking if I can manage the systemui update :) | 12:13 |
| w00t | ok | 12:15 |
| Sage_ | 4/15 patches don't apply | 12:16 |
| Sage_ | so not so bad | 12:16 |
| vgrade | Sage_, yes | 12:17 |
| alterego | Sage_: pong | 12:19 |
| Sage_ | alterego: I have forgotten my password to wiki.merproject.org also any progress on handset-dialer+ | 12:19 |
| Sage_ | w00t: send systemui update to Project:MTF and disabled those 4 patches should be upstreamed or fixed in upstream anyway. Lets see if that works better. | 12:26 |
| w00t | can you point me to those patches? | 12:26 |
| Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=meegotouch-systemui&project=Project%3AMTF <- check the last changelog entry to see which one of those I disabled | 12:27 |
| w00t | thanks | 12:27 |
| w00t | temp_reverted_SDK_usb_mode_requires_new_qmsystem.patch sounds like we could just update qmsystem.. :) | 12:29 |
| w00t | i'm pretty sure temp_remove_lowmemorynotifier.patch can be dropped altogether | 12:29 |
| w00t | (I think that feature got removed) | 12:30 |
| Sage_ | well we have 1.4.1 qmsystem | 12:30 |
| Sage_ | which is the latest upstream as well | 12:30 |
| Sage_ | the comment said qmsystem >=2 | 12:30 |
| w00t | hrmm | 12:30 |
| Sage_ | yes, that lowmemory was disabled based on upstream changelog | 12:30 |
| w00t | Sage_: sure they don't mean qmsystem2? | 12:31 |
| Sage_ | w00t: there is such thing? | 12:32 |
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| w00t | qmsystem sort of morphed into qmsystem2, I think | 12:33 |
| Sage_ | ah, naming thing | 12:33 |
| Sage_ | well we have that now I think | 12:34 |
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| w00t | so is probably ok | 12:35 |
| Sage_ | yes | 12:35 |
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| Sage_ | at least our qmsystem has that SDK mode now | 12:37 |
| Sage_ | SDK //!< Windows network mode. Allows USB networking on the device. | 12:37 |
| Sage_ | removing that patch | 12:38 |
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| w00t | *nod* | 12:42 |
| * Sage_ installs new systemui to device | 12:45 | |
| * Sage_ reboots the device | 12:50 | |
| Sage_ | \o/ no crash | 12:52 |
| w00t | that's good :) | 12:54 |
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| Sage_ | so only question is now those 2 patches | 12:55 |
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| Sage_ | veskuh: "System notification background black instead of transparent" fixed in Project:MTF as well | 12:55 |
| veskuh | updated the wiki | 12:58 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: mtf-settings.desktop defines spashscreen, but the file is missing ? | 13:01 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: what does that mean? | 13:01 |
| veskuh | Sage_: there is a new feature in booster, splashscreen for app launch. | 13:01 |
| Sage_ | ah, ok | 13:02 |
| Sage_ | so Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=m --splash=/usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/images/splash/meegotouch-settings-splash.jpg /usr/bin/duicontrolpanel.launch | 13:02 |
| veskuh | Sage_: so the desktop file defined a splashscreen that I guess should be part of theme | 13:02 |
| Sage_ | so we should probably remove taht --splash option from there | 13:02 |
| veskuh | yep, that file does not exist | 13:02 |
| veskuh | yep, that would be a way to fix it. | 13:02 |
| Sage_ | it refers to blanco theme anyway | 13:02 |
| veskuh | at some point we may want to investigate using the feature, to improve startup of apps. | 13:03 |
| Sage_ | ok, updating the control panel to newer version and patching that out | 13:04 |
| veskuh | well, patching perhaps not needed. I do not think it slows down having it defined | 13:04 |
| alterego | Sage_: let me have a look at that wiki. | 13:07 |
| alterego | Sage_: can't you do the "E-Mail Password" button? | 13:11 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: we have patched that already a bit, so just added one more ! meego rule to that patch. | 13:11 |
| Sage_ | alterego: can you show me the page where that is? | 13:11 |
| alterego | It's the login page, click on the "login" button top right and the login page has an "E-Mail Password" button next to the "Log in" button below the login form. | 13:12 |
| Sage_ | alterego: lol... I'm blind :D | 13:12 |
| alterego | I don't know it'll work though ;) | 13:13 |
| Sage_ | well, lets see :) | 13:13 |
| alterego | Oh, looks like it works (I just tried) :) | 13:13 |
| alterego | Yay me :) | 13:13 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: "mtf-settings.desktop defines spashscreen, but the file is missing" fixed now in Project:MTF as well. | 13:15 |
| veskuh | yep | 13:16 |
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| Sage_ | I think I'm going to move meego-terminal under Project:MTF as it is so heavily based on MTF | 13:22 |
| veskuh | ok | 13:22 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: is now a good time to upgrade ? | 13:32 |
| phaeron | Sage_: the boss participants and process | 13:32 |
| phaeron | lbt: ^^ | 13:32 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: I'm fine | 13:33 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: so if you are ready just go for it | 13:33 |
| phaeron | cool | 13:33 |
| * lbt gets popcorn | 13:34 | |
| Sage_ | :D | 13:34 |
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| Sage_ | No update candidate for 'mtf-handset-ux-.noarch'. The highest available version is already installed. | 13:40 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ^ supports my guess that patterns have versions | 13:40 |
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| faenil | good afternoon people :) | 13:47 |
| faenil | news about N900/n950 hw adapt? | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Nemo_10-25.1_on_N900 | 13:47 |
| Sage_ | During this week we should have new images for N900, N950 and ia32 | 13:48 |
| faenil | wow :) that's nice :) | 13:48 |
| Sage_ | not perfect yet but should be better already. | 13:48 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:UX:MTF/meego-terminal https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2934 : was rejected | 13:48 |
| lbt | phaeron: ? | 13:49 |
| lbt | new participants? | 13:49 |
| phaeron | reapplyed some stuff | 13:49 |
| Sage_ | nice that works :D | 13:49 |
| lbt | OK - looks much neater | 13:49 |
| phaeron | \o/ | 13:49 |
| phaeron | looking at an erred process and will then upgrade the pdef file | 13:50 |
| * Sage_ thinks boss does now almost every precheck he originally wanted. | 13:52 | |
| Sage_ | that is so nice! | 13:52 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:UX:MTF/meego-terminal https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2938 : needs review : osc review accept/decline 2938 -m"MESSAGE" | 13:53 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:UX:MTF/qmsystem https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2939 : needs review : osc review accept/decline 2939 -m"MESSAGE" | 13:54 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, the maemo diablo version of the kernel can me used with mer core ? or is too old | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | too old | 14:27 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:UX:MTF/libdsme https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2942 : was rejected | 14:28 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: do we have anyone that could look and update mce/dsme for us and upstream patches that we have that can be upstreamed? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i guess that falls on my table for updating, upstreaming i'm a little unsure | 14:30 |
| Sage_ | we have so many warnings/errors etc. during boot from mce and dsme | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i think we have dsme maintainer in #meego-arm | 14:30 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/2799085 | 14:30 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: we have? | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, not sure | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | semi_ or something | 14:32 |
| Sage_ | I updated libdsme as the update was very small and I had to patch it anyway. But dsme and mce updates aren't so small :) | 14:34 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:UX:MTF/libdsme https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2943 : needs review : osc review accept/decline 2943 -m"MESSAGE" | 14:34 |
| Sage_ | would be nice to have tasklist as lbt mentioned. I would put these dsme/mce things on that list :) | 14:36 |
| lbt | yeah - it's not really bugzilla is it | 14:36 |
| lbt | iepad :) | 14:37 |
| Sage_ | bugzilla could be used if we could create bugs without assignee. | 14:37 |
| Sage_ | and then label them to some todo category. | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | wiki as a start? | 14:38 |
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| Sage_ | sure, create a draft page and I'll put some tasks there. | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:40 |
| lbt | http://www.ietherpad.com/BRBCRj3Y0P | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | "Backlog"? | 14:40 |
| lbt | that's the old one | 14:40 |
| lbt | yeah, really | 14:40 |
| lbt | we should run agile | 14:41 |
| lbt | but have a year long continuously adaptive sprint :) | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Backlog | 14:41 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: sounds more like kanban to me ;) | 14:41 |
| * lbt isn't up on all the various development fads^H^H^H^H methodologies | 14:42 | |
| lbt | or should I say "consultancy fodder" | 14:43 |
| dm8tbr | yes, I'm sure there are many insultants that would like to sell you some hours | 14:43 |
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| * dm8tbr largely subscribes to 'just get sh*t done' | 14:44 | |
| lbt | whiteboard | 14:44 |
| lbt | afk bbiab | 14:45 |
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| phaeron | Sage_: I finished moving all CE: to the new process , please tell me if anything goes weird | 15:23 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps : CE:Apps/mobilebrowser https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/2935 : was rejected | 15:26 |
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| niqt | hi | 22:27 |
| berndhs | niqt: hi | 22:31 |
| berndhs | its all the same people in here | 22:31 |
| niqt | :) | 22:32 |
| niqt | bernds: is meegomessanger dead? | 22:34 |
| berndhs | niqt: yes has been dead for a long time | 22:34 |
| niqt | now nemomessanger | 22:35 |
| berndhs | i don't think anyone is working on retroshare for mobile | 22:35 |
| niqt | ok | 22:36 |
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| lbt | hey niqt | 23:04 |
| niqt | hi | 23:04 |
| lbt | was just replying to your email | 23:04 |
| niqt | well | 23:05 |
| lbt | basically ... we were hoping to stay with MeeGo infra but that's not looking possible | 23:07 |
| lbt | so yeah we're a bit fragmented but we at least have a direction now | 23:07 |
| araujo | lbt, we are moving away from build.pub too??? | 23:08 |
| lbt | no choice | 23:08 |
| araujo | I see.... | 23:08 |
| lbt | it will eventually run out of funding and be shut down | 23:08 |
| lbt | we're working on getting some more solid timelines | 23:09 |
| lbt | nothing to panic about | 23:09 |
| araujo | that'd be nice | 23:09 |
| araujo | lbt, any plan for the migration already? ... | 23:09 |
| lbt | but if anyone has 16 spare servers... | 23:09 |
| lbt | well we're beginning to plan | 23:09 |
| lbt | I'd like to see collaboration of projects around a Mer core sharing a common infra | 23:10 |
| lbt | frankly the meego.com infra was nicely managed and flexible | 23:11 |
| lbt | (though I do say so myself) | 23:11 |
| araujo | that would be ideal yeah .... | 23:12 |
| lbt | Since one of the primary goals is to innovate in the "how to build product" space it makes sense to keep some degree of tight collaboration at the process level | 23:13 |
| niqt | ok | 23:15 |
| lbt | so ... ping smoku :) | 23:15 |
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