Tuesday, 2017-10-17

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TofeHi09:26
TofeI'm here as a LuneOS dev, and I'd have a question about connman; currently we reuse ofono, voicecall, etc from Mer, but not connman yet.09:28
TofeMy question is, why do you need to maintain a separate fork of connman, with so many patches? Is connman not well adapted to you use-cases? or doesn't evolve quickly enough?09:29
TofeWe wonder about switching to Mer's connman for LuneOS, but before that it'd be good to know what the pro/cons are :)09:30
Tofemonich: ^09:31
monichTofe: for one thing, it would pull a few more dependencies09:32
Tofeok, yes, I'll need to look at that aspect09:33
monichofono plugin and wifi plugins are completely rewritten09:33
Tofeto make it more flexible? or was it too buggy? :)09:34
monichto stop those from crashing mostly09:36
Tofequite a good reason09:37
monichalthough things are being fixed in upstream too, we are still quite behind09:37
Tofeyou have bluez5 support in your current version?09:37
monichhmm... I don't think our connman does much with bluetooth09:40
monichother than turning off and on via rfkill09:40
monichno pan or anything fancy09:41
Tofeah ok, bluez support in sailfishos is used directly through DBus, not through connman09:41
monichofono suffered more from this bluez4 -> bluez5 transition, I think09:42
Tofewe're going to switch to bluez5 soon too, it'll be lots of fun09:43
monichTofe: ah, I recalled one sfos specific thing in our connman that may break the ui09:45
monichGetServices returns all configured services even those that are not available09:45
monich(i.e. out of range wifis)09:45
Tofeah ok; I understand the choice, but yes it changes the ui09:46
monichthere's additional property "available" that tells the ui which services are connectable and which are not09:46
Tofeok I see; a bit more flexible then09:47
monichthis way out of range wifi network can be edited or removed, like a normal service09:47
Tofewell, ok thanks for all these informations, I'll have a look at the dependencies, and then maybe we'll give it a try - that'll mainly depend on how we approach bluez5 I think.09:48
monichyeah, ping me if you have issues or questions09:49
Tofeok :)09:49
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monichTofe: one more thing that may not be obvious - quite a few changes have to do with access control, i.e. checking the identity of the calling process09:55
monichour system ui is running with 'privileged' effective group id09:55
monichwe don't want a random non-privileged process (such as a jolla store app) to be able to change or sometimes even query things like wifi passwords09:55
monichdbus ignores effective group id of the caller, so we can't use dbus policies for that09:56
monichand we check the caller's identify on the connman side09:56
monichit should be possible to turn this behavior off if you don't need it09:56
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Tofemonich: that's a good remark, we'll need to think of a strategy about that too...10:50
TofeThough the apps are html (most of them), so the issue isn't that bad10:50
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monichTofe: or you could use different user accounts for different things (possibly even different apps)10:52
Tofeeventually yes, like Android10:59
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lbtPSA Mer infra will need some maintenance tonight after 6pm UK time14:24
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Thaodansome admin from mer buildservice here?16:29
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lbtThaodan: yes17:15
lbtThaodan: but I'm going offline now as I need to shutdown some servers. I'll be around a bit later and tomorrow17:16
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