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| _jester_ | hello all | 18:26 |
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| _jester_ | can someone please help me undertand the whole maemo -> mer -> sailfish , tizen etc projects? | 18:27 |
| _jester_ | or point me to an article that does? | 18:27 |
| _jester_ | ok, is tizen based on mer or are both based off maemo and hence have 'efforts' to share | 18:30 |
| _jester_ | or if i want to make a mobile os of my own, do i start with maemo? tizen, mer or sailfish? | 18:31 |
| alterego | Tizen is loosely based on MeeGo, which was a group effort between Intel and Nokia to develop a flexible mobile operating stack. MeeGo was based on Nokia's Maemo and Intels' Moblin. | 18:31 |
| alterego | Mer was an effort to continue the MeeGo project after it was cancelled when Nokia and Microsoft started working together and the project was scrapped. | 18:32 |
| alterego | Intel then began working with Samsung on Tizen. | 18:32 |
| alterego | Sailfish is based on Mer | 18:32 |
| _jester_ | thanks a lot | 18:33 |
| alterego | np | 18:33 |
| _jester_ | but forbsomeoje trying to figure it out its quite a mind bender. | 18:33 |
| alterego | I guess you had to have been there :D | 18:34 |
| alterego | It did all happen rather, quickly. | 18:35 |
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| _jester_ | i suppose so, cause all i see is that they are all mobile / device based os who are based on something and contribute efoorts towards another and are in alliance with this third group | 18:35 |
| _jester_ | even though i did loosely follow the whole thing cursing m$ a lot | 18:36 |
| alterego | In reality, things are different to how they appear in print. | 18:36 |
| alterego | Mer is independant, but Jolla are easily the primary contributors due to Sailfish. | 18:36 |
| _jester_ | so is sailfish fully open source? | 18:37 |
| _jester_ | or does it have components which are still propriety? | 18:37 |
| alterego | Tizen also wants to be independant, but there are less people using it, Samsung basically do what they want with it. | 18:37 |
| alterego | Every mobile OS has proprietary parts. | 18:37 |
| _jester_ | but is it more than their android support ? | 18:38 |
| alterego | Sailfish is no different, Mer is fully FOSS, but Sailfish adds a Jolla owned user experience, and as with all devices, there are closed binary blobs for things like graphics. | 18:38 |
| _jester_ | i am using a port and the excellent irc app on sailfish 2.1 at the moment | 18:38 |
| _jester_ | which obviously is the 'open' part of the sailfish efforts towards and along with mer | 18:39 |
| _jester_ | and whats missing from the official jolla features are the android support and video calling perhaps | 18:40 |
| alterego | There is no video calling in Sailfish | 18:41 |
| _jester_ | what i am trying to figure out is, would this port be using commercial components? | 18:41 |
| alterego | The only peice missing is Android support I believe, there is a work around for this however. | 18:41 |
| _jester_ | there is a phone, oulumus i think which is based on sailfish | 18:41 |
| alterego | Technically, yes. There are commercial components. | 18:41 |
| alterego | Any vendor wishing to ship devices with Sailfish must have an agreement with Jolla, so .. | 18:42 |
| _jester_ | i know the anbox thing, im trying to help with it. im trying to sorta also familiarize my self with the dev environment so as to what i can touch and waste time on and what not to worry about | 18:43 |
| _jester_ | if thats the license, i.e. using it in a commercial product then it doesnt really concern me | 18:44 |
| alterego | Well, in that case don't worry about low level graphics drivers, modem drivers and the user experience. :) | 18:44 |
| alterego | Everything else should be there for you to hack on in the mer repos. | 18:44 |
| _jester_ | well thats a shame, i actually liked the user experience. they should totally open source it. | 18:45 |
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| alterego | Well, is there something broken that you want to fix there? | 18:46 |
| alterego | You can use it, obviously, you can write applications that use the Silica components, etc. | 18:46 |
| _jester_ | nopes, just functionality to add, which mostly comes from mer | 18:46 |
| _jester_ | so im looking forward to the meeting | 18:47 |
| _jester_ | but yes a multi user capable conversation app that can replace the messages app, and allow other apps a fully developed chat interface so people can add plugins | 18:48 |
| _jester_ | ive been told it has been discussed but it is not on top of the pile at the moment | 18:49 |
| _jester_ | so the interface would be silica, which is prop, but the app would essentially be a mer app from the visual toolkit down, right? | 18:50 |
| alterego | Yes | 18:52 |
| alterego | It's fairly straight forward to either replace any of the core Sailfish apps with your own. | 18:53 |
| alterego | Or reuse some application engines and just replace UIs with added functionality. | 18:53 |
| _jester_ | thanks a lot alterego, highly appreciated. | 18:55 |
| alterego | np, I'm waiting for dinner ^_^ | 18:56 |
| _jester_ | i just had pizza but im bad at sharing | 18:56 |
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| xy2_ | hello, has someone messed with the kobo touch? | 19:41 |
| xy2_ | I am trying to install debian on it (messing with u-boot at the moment) and saw that the wiki has a page on it | 19:44 |
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| _jester_ | alterego: wait a minute. this means any mer applications would also work on sailfishos if the visual toolkit is installed | 20:49 |
| _jester_ | oh and where does nemo fit into all of this? | 20:52 |
| alterego | I wouldn't worry too much about nemo anymore. It's all just Mer AFAIUI now. | 20:56 |
| alterego | _jester_: and if you want to develop Sailfish applications then install the Sailfish SDK | 20:57 |
| alterego | That would give you access to the Sailfish specific components that are built on Mer. | 20:57 |
| _jester_ | thanks. | 20:58 |
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