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| spiiroin | review appreciated: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/dsme/merge_requests/18 | 08:22 |
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| spiiroin | ^ tweak dsme logging without restarting the service | 08:22 |
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| dcaliste | abranson: hello, I've created an OBS repo with all the packages I'm maintainer for in mer-core-contrib: https://build.merproject.org/project/show/home:dcaliste:OpenPGP | 08:37 |
| dcaliste | For each package, I've created a 'next' branch where I've merged all various MRs in QMF, nemo-qml-plugin-email… | 08:38 |
| dcaliste | I've added a comment on the given OBS page explaining how to install the full stack on device and test receiving signed emails and sending some. | 08:39 |
| dcaliste | When you have time, give me your feeling. The UI part and OS integration is not done and just in a proof of concept state. Only the QMF and nemo-qml-plugin-email parts are hopefully in production state. | 08:40 |
| abranson | dcaliste: great! is that just the pgp MRs, or everything you've done? | 08:41 |
| dcaliste | I'll try to move the pinentry code as a lipstick pulgin so the passphrase dialog can be provided whenever needed. | 08:41 |
| dcaliste | The 'next' branches contain all the MRs I have, not only for gpg stuff. | 08:41 |
| dcaliste | Yes, the name of the repo is confusing, sorry, I've reused it from earlier tries… | 08:42 |
| abranson | we're probably going to make a mer:core:contrib project for everything in contrib. i think the patches will be the tricky part | 08:44 |
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| abranson | dcaliste: installing it now... | 08:47 |
| dcaliste | What do you mean patches ? Otherwise, yes, automatic builds based on tagging in mer-core-contrib would be nice… | 08:47 |
| dcaliste | Good luck ;) Hopefully it will work ! I've tested it quickly last night for POP3 and SMTP only. | 08:48 |
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| abranson | i mean the UI patches | 08:48 |
| dcaliste | Ok, I mean they are here only for a transitioning period hopefully before Jolla include them officially in their closed source parts. | 08:50 |
| dcaliste | By the way, the jolla-email-patch is made for 2.1.1.x, not 2.1.0.x… | 08:50 |
| dcaliste | (some spacings have changed in between that confuse patch) | 08:50 |
| abranson | i think it'll be a complex part of upstreaming - really UI changes are up to the design team, so we'll have to have some mechanism in contrib to somehow adapt the ui through patching or whatnot | 08:55 |
| abranson | dcaliste: and it looks like there's a lot of UI to do here too, for the personal and third-party key management | 08:57 |
| dcaliste | Yes, UI key management is not done yet. | 08:58 |
| dcaliste | The email gpg stuff is for restricted audience first I'm afraid. | 08:58 |
| dcaliste | But need to start somewhere… I choose the email because key management is quite simple with CLI and not done too often, while signature checking is for every single received emails. | 08:59 |
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| abranson | oh definitely. this is what contrib should be all about. LarstiQ: did you see all this? | 09:02 |
| LarstiQ | glancingly, yes | 09:02 |
| dcaliste | By the way, the key management can fit well IMHO into the certificate management setting page. | 09:02 |
| dcaliste | And it's something that should be discussed with whom it concerns into Jolla: where to put the glue code to expose gpgme stuff to QML ? In a new nemo-qml-plugin-gpg or into nemo-qml-plugin-settings ? | 09:05 |
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| abranson | dcaliste: i'll see if I can talk to some UI people about how best to approach this sort of thing | 10:24 |
| dcaliste | Ok, thank you. It is working quite well with sailfish-office. I've proposed several changes to UI, that have been reviewed by P. Vuorella and the UI team and iterated until everyone was feeling ok with the output. | 10:26 |
| dcaliste | It can be done the same here, except that UI changes must be submitted as patches until officialy adopted upstream. Don't you think so ? | 10:27 |
| abranson | yeah some sort of iteration of qml patches would be cool. especially if they could somehow be git commits.. | 10:35 |
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| dcaliste | What I've done for jolla-email that is convenient for me (and hopefully don't break any licence rules) is that I've copied in a master branch the QML file I want to patch. | 11:22 |
| dcaliste | Then I create a xy branch where I modify the files (and keep track by commiting of course) | 11:23 |
| dcaliste | And then generate the patch with 'git diff HEAD~n'. | 11:23 |
| dcaliste | And commit the patch also… | 11:23 |
| dcaliste | When a new upstream version appears, I copy into my master branch the new file versions and rebase my xy branch. | 11:24 |
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| dcaliste | abranson: if you agree (and have time), may I ask you to fork lipstick and nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings into mer-core-contrib ? | 11:55 |
| dcaliste | Indeed, I think I'll move the SignerModel, Key… into nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings because the certificate gestion is already there. | 11:56 |
| dcaliste | For lipstick, I'll move the GpgAgent there as there is currently the VpnAgent. | 11:57 |
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| abranson | dcaliste: ok, though I should think it'll be much harder to get such changes into lipstick than the other components | 12:56 |
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| dcaliste | Yes, I guess so… Life is hard ;) There is another solution though that consist to run the gpg-agent as a daemon which spawn new processes to display a passphrase demand. This is working well for desktop IMHO, but is less adapted to our mobile environment. That's why I went in the Lipstick direction. | 12:59 |
| r0kk3rz | dcaliste: i think lipstick is seen as a bit of a dumping ground already, so id suggest looking for alternatives | 13:01 |
| dcaliste | r0kk3rz: I would agree, especially from a pov of security (I don't like to know that the GPG agent code which know the passphrase runs into the compositor, the desktop process…) | 13:02 |
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| dcaliste | But, for a usability pov, it's nicer : whenever there is a need for a passphrase, Lipstick can popup a pinentry window and block the entry until done. | 13:03 |
| dcaliste | While with the spawning process option, the GPG daemon has to create a new application window that the user can move aside easily which require more code to the demanding application to block entries until passphrase is provided or discarded. | 13:04 |
| dcaliste | The best solution would be to remove all system window asking password connection option… from Lipstick but add into it a way to ask Lipstick to block all gesture and keep a given pinentry (coming from another process) on top until done or discarded. | 13:07 |
| dcaliste | Sadly this best solution requires a lot of work that nobody wants to start… | 13:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah, at the same time it needs to be a trusted process, which lipstick already is | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | so its not such a bad fit | 13:11 |
| dcaliste | By the way, on a merrier note, the current solution of having a separate app to enter the passphrase when needed, is ugly but fully functional and can be used as a temporary solution for a long time. | 13:12 |
| dcaliste | abranson: thank you for the projects on mer-core-contrib | 13:15 |
| abranson | i don't know about what should go where, but I know that things like this are usually associated with the device lock | 13:16 |
| abranson | so a keyring would be locked and unlocked when the phone is | 13:17 |
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| dcaliste | Ah, yes, keyring is yet another thing to put in place, currently the passphrase is asked each time it is required without caching… | 13:18 |
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