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| LarstiQ | locusf: I moved the mint:devel mic version to mint, and just again confirmed that version works to build our images | 07:29 |
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| tbr | hmm should check if that has working copyprj and if not submit a fix | 07:36 |
| LarstiQ | tbr: context? | 07:37 |
| tbr | LarstiQ: the one I ended up with at some point had a printf in the wrong spot and made it barf. after commenting that line out it worked | 07:39 |
| LarstiQ | tbr: not mic related though? | 07:40 |
| LarstiQ | more osc or obs | 07:40 |
| tbr | ah, sorry, yes, not awake. ECOFFEE | 07:40 |
| tbr | osc | 07:40 |
| LarstiQ | :) | 07:40 |
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| locusf | larstiq: hmm ok | 07:52 |
| locusf | weird | 07:52 |
| LarstiQ | locusf: pykickstart is as discussed before, and imager from mint too | 07:52 |
| LarstiQ | locusf: if I can get my hands on something that doesn't work for you I can dig more into that | 07:53 |
| locusf | ok | 07:53 |
| locusf | first mer-meeting | 07:54 |
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| sledges | PSA: Sailfish OS community collab @ #mer-meeting, started already ;) | 08:04 |
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| Son_Goku | LarstiQ: deb builds from spec is easy :D | 11:54 |
| Son_Goku | I do it all the time at work | 11:54 |
| Son_Goku | I run an OBS instance at work and that's how we build Debian packages | 11:54 |
| LarstiQ | Son_Goku: my main question is how much of the current Mer packaging can be reused | 11:55 |
| Son_Goku | it depends, I don't know know what Mer packages look like | 11:55 |
| LarstiQ | very little, is my guess | 11:55 |
| Son_Goku | well, the main gotchas is that Debian doesn't have a sophisticated autodeps system | 11:55 |
| Son_Goku | you can fill in platform macros and whatnot for debbuild | 11:56 |
| Son_Goku | this is the tool that OBS uses: https://github.com/ascherer/debbuild | 11:56 |
| LarstiQ | Son_Goku: if the .deb packaging ends up being mostly an independent effort, not much point | 11:56 |
| Son_Goku | the other requirement is that OBS needs to be at least v2.7 | 11:57 |
| LarstiQ | "small" issue :) | 11:57 |
| Son_Goku | iirc, Mer is on OBS v2.4 or v2.5 I think | 11:57 |
| LarstiQ | Son_Goku: 2.5 | 11:57 |
| Son_Goku | better than the Tizen guys, I think they're on v2.3 | 11:57 |
| LarstiQ | we also run that in one place | 11:57 |
| Son_Goku | the biggest problem I have with Mer at the moment is that it's so out of sync with upstream software | 12:03 |
| Son_Goku | even low level things like rpm are so out of date and have known vulnerabilities | 12:03 |
| r0kk3rz | Son_Goku: however for jolla thats a feature, not a bug | 12:04 |
| Son_Goku | to have known vulnerabilities? | 12:04 |
| r0kk3rz | no, they backport fixes | 12:04 |
| r0kk3rz | but to have boring old stable versions of things | 12:05 |
| Son_Goku | stable versions is fine | 12:06 |
| Son_Goku | but being on supported stable versions is better | 12:06 |
| Son_Goku | and it doesn't look like rpm 4.9.1.2 has received any love in years | 12:08 |
| Son_Goku | even moving up to rpm 4.11 would be a better move, as you'd be in sync with both enterprise Linux distros that actively fix things there | 12:09 |
| LarstiQ | the problem with upgrading rpm is all the knockon effects and potential for breakage | 12:09 |
| LarstiQ | and someone needs to have the time and effort to deal with that | 12:09 |
| LarstiQ | a start would be doing that linked against mer:core | 12:10 |
| Son_Goku | I mean, if I did it, I'd upgrade to the latest version anyway, and get all of it straightened out anyway | 12:11 |
| LarstiQ | Son_Goku: we agree rpm needs upgrading | 12:11 |
| LarstiQ | Son_Goku: libzypp also needs work | 12:11 |
| LarstiQ | and then all patterns break | 12:11 |
| Son_Goku | libzypp makes me sad | 12:11 |
| Son_Goku | though now that I maintain zypper in Fedora, I have an idea of how it all works | 12:12 |
| Son_Goku | I maintain DNF in Mageia, and Zypper in Fedora :P | 12:12 |
| LarstiQ | you must love pain ;) | 12:12 |
| Son_Goku | DNF is way easier | 12:12 |
| Son_Goku | there's a reason why the Yocto guys are moving to it | 12:12 |
| Son_Goku | sorry, have moved to it | 12:12 |
| Son_Goku | it's part of the upcoming 2.3 release | 12:12 |
| LarstiQ | anyway, if you're volunteering for an rpm upgrade I think we'd be interested | 12:12 |
| Son_Goku | I'd be happy to help | 12:13 |
| Son_Goku | I just don't know where to get started | 12:13 |
| LarstiQ | abranson: did you last look at that ^^? | 12:13 |
| LarstiQ | Son_Goku: from seeing you in other channels, you have some obs experience, right? | 12:13 |
| Son_Goku | Yep | 12:13 |
| Son_Goku | I run an OBS instance at work, and I've been slowly working on packaging OBS in Fedora | 12:13 |
| Son_Goku | [ol] has been very helpful in that regard :) | 12:13 |
| LarstiQ | ah yes, forgot you said that earlier today :) | 12:14 |
| abranson | LarstiQ: yep. got a load of PRs ready. just can't figure out how to get obs & sb2 to cope with it | 12:14 |
| LarstiQ | abranson: talk to Son_Goku? | 12:14 |
| LarstiQ | and me if you need anything done on obs end | 12:14 |
| LarstiQ | make a feature project linked against mer:core maybe? | 12:15 |
| abranson | that's the problem. sb2 and obs mask the target rpm with the host. once you upgrade one without the other, the whole feature project gets hosed in strange and unusual ways | 12:15 |
| Son_Goku | thankfully the plumbling layer of Mer is still Fedora-/Mageia-like | 12:16 |
| Son_Goku | even with all the weird openSUSE stuff that's being pushed in over the years | 12:16 |
| LarstiQ | abranson: aja | 12:17 |
| LarstiQ | abranson: I can probably (partially?) disable that | 12:17 |
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| LarstiQ | abranson: and if worst comes to worst we could set up a special instance | 12:17 |
| Son_Goku | now that OBS 2.8 is out, even the new rich deps and stuff should be handled quite well | 12:18 |
| Son_Goku | and faster repo generation with createrepo_c | 12:18 |
| abranson | i think it's a matter of finding the right -m arg (template) for sb2. i played around with sdk-install, and also tried to hack my own. didn't really have much luck with it and something pressing came up | 12:19 |
| Son_Goku | the biggest pain about zypper is boost :( | 12:20 |
| abranson | but i did a lot of packages. rpm and friends, libzypp, augeas, boost, libsolv. even packagekit i think | 12:20 |
| abranson | yeah i think it's the only thing we use boost for | 12:20 |
| Son_Goku | the Yocto guys have PTSD over it :P | 12:20 |
| Son_Goku | unfortunately, DNF doesn't support patterns, only comps groups | 12:22 |
| Son_Goku | so unless I want to figure out how to add patterns support, we're stuck with zypper :/ | 12:22 |
| LarstiQ | Son_Goku: we want to kill patterns and just use meta packages | 12:23 |
| Son_Goku | well, then, this doesn't matter :P | 12:23 |
| abranson | right now all our patterns point to a meta-package | 12:24 |
| Son_Goku | well, if we got rid of the pattern generation and just told people to use metapackages? | 12:24 |
| abranson | where possible - what's blocking further migration is support for softer dependencies like Recommends, for which we need.... | 12:24 |
| Son_Goku | ah | 12:24 |
| Son_Goku | that comes in RPM 4.12 | 12:24 |
| abranson | :) | 12:24 |
| Son_Goku | RPM 4.13 also introduces rich deps, so you can set things up to be smart too | 12:25 |
| Son_Goku | like locales, etc. | 12:25 |
| Son_Goku | I've got quite a bit of experience using these new features | 12:25 |
| Son_Goku | they make everything so much nicer | 12:25 |
| Son_Goku | there are members in the Fedora community considering killing comps groups now that RPM supports everything that patterns and comps did | 12:26 |
| abranson | current MR is for 4.13 | 12:26 |
| Son_Goku | and going straight to metapackages | 12:26 |
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| Son_Goku | abranson: where's the MR? | 12:53 |
| abranson | Son_Goku: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/rpm/merge_requests/5 | 12:54 |
| Son_Goku | so much suse patches :( | 12:54 |
| abranson | quite a few gone though | 12:55 |
| Son_Goku | well crap | 12:56 |
| Son_Goku | I can't register for an account | 12:56 |
| abranson | lbt can do that for you | 12:56 |
| * LarstiQ can do an lbt impersonation given enough time | 12:56 | |
| Son_Goku | username: ngompa | 12:57 |
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| Son_Goku | g2g to work, bbl as Pharaoh_Atem | 13:51 |
| Son_Goku | (my workstation :) ) | 13:51 |
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| Pharaoh_Atem | haha | 15:25 |
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| pasko_ | Hi. | 18:49 |
| pasko_ | I'm interested in requesting a PR to a mer-core package. | 18:50 |
| pasko_ | I think I need an account in https://bugs.merproject.org/ | 18:52 |
| pasko_ | And also need to contact lbt or sage :) | 18:53 |
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