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eduardas_mhello, if I understand correctly from looking at the sources of libconnman-qt, it does not implement any connman-vpnd functionality?13:17
eduardas_mif so, what does mer use to manage VPN connections? I assume they are still managed via connman, right?13:18
eduardas_many useful information on this topic would be appreciated13:19
r0kk3rzit doesnt yet afaik13:19
r0kk3rzthats coming13:19
r0kk3rzi think some people install openvpn13:20
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, but that still gets tied into connman?13:21
eduardas_mis there some kind of library in mer that lets a Qt app use some kind of VPN functionality?13:24
eduardas_mjust so that you know, I don't develop on SailfishOS... I only use libconnman-qt for a custom embedded Linux device (Yocto project)13:25
eduardas_mlibconnman-qt works well to make a GUI for wi-fi management, but I wonder if I can take something from mer to work with VPN and have more functionality13:27
r0kk3rzi dont think that gets tied into connman, there might be a way to make it so13:31
r0kk3rzit looks people people have written a seperate app that talks to openvpn13:31
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, as far as I am aware OpenVPN can be tied into connman... that is what the CMST client on my Arch linux box is capable of doing13:33
r0kk3rzyes i found a topic talking about a /usr/lib/connman/scripts/openvpn-script13:34
r0kk3rzso perhaps it does after all13:34
eduardas_mthough I haven't really tested that functionality yet... having trouble making CMST work with PPTP at the moment13:35
r0kk3rzbut back to libconnman-qt, that should get updated with VPN stuff in the near future13:37
r0kk3rzits on jollas list13:37
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, is there some kind of upcoming features list on the net that I could get a link to?13:38
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r0kk3rzeduardas_m: unfortunately not, there is one but its very much out of date13:40
r0kk3rzeduardas_m: the most recent mentionings was in a community meeting, topic 3 here http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2016/mer-meeting.2016-12-05-09.00.html13:42
r0kk3rzmost of what they mention relates directly to mer13:43
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r0kk3rzlike bluetooth and 64bit arm and such13:43
larstiqalso evidenced by what is in community mer:core13:45
larstiqeduardas_m: yes, openvpn ties into connman afaik13:45
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, just so that I understand: SailfishOS and mer are not exactly the same thing, but SailfishOS is the only OS using mer project stuff?13:46
larstiqeduardas_m: https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file/mer:core/connman/_service:tar_git:connman.changes?expand=113:47
r0kk3rzeduardas_m: not the only afaik, but the main one yes13:47
larstiqmaybe not the clearest, but there you can see `- [vpn] connman-vpnd shouldn't run with -d by default. Contributes to MER#1644`13:47
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, what other OS is based on mer at the moment then?13:48
r0kk3rzafaik they are not publicly availabe things, used for specific purpose embedded stuff13:49
eduardas_mlarstiq, thank you for finding that13:49
r0kk3rznot that ive seen anyway, but in terms of future development its 90% driven by what jolla needs for sailfish13:49
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, is only the mer part of SailfishOS open source? as far as I understand companies need to licence SailfishOS to use it on their devices, right?13:54
r0kk3rznot the only, but mostly yes the UI layer of sailfish is closed13:55
r0kk3rzeduardas_m: yeah it looks like a whole bunch of VPN stuff has been done on connman over the last few weeks https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/connman/activity14:02
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, I see people enabling pptp for connman, etc., but it is not quite apparent whether work is being done to modify libconnman-qt or whether any other library in mer is used to manage connman-vpnd14:10
eduardas_mlast commit for libconnman-qt is on 28 Sep, 201514:10
eduardas_mwhat is the layer on top of connman-vpnd currently? as far as I understand there is none yet, right? VPN functionality is enabled but one has to write custom stuff to manage it from Qt?14:12
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r0kk3rzcurrently there probably isnt one14:13
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, I hope you don't mind me asking, but are you yourself a Jolla developer? or someone outside of Jolla working on mer?14:16
r0kk3rzim just a community person14:17
eduardas_mI myself am just someone who stumbled uppon mer by accident, by finding the libconnman-qt library in the Open Embedded index14:17
r0kk3rzyeah theres a lot of people using the middleware in mer14:17
r0kk3rzthat used to be seperated into nemo14:18
r0kk3rzmore so than the mer-core and build toolset as a whole14:18
eduardas_mso there isn't a completely open-source community port for a mobile device of mer? like the usual linux distro?14:20
r0kk3rzthat is nemomobile14:20
r0kk3rzbut thats a bit of an on again off again project14:20
r0kk3rzthere is also asteroid os for smart watches, but that is using Open Embedded core with nemo middleware14:21
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, to me it somehow seems that ubports or kde mobile get more publicity these days than mer or nemomobile..though I might be wrong since I'm new to all of this14:25
eduardas_mwhen I think of Linux on mobile devices these days Ubuntu Touch is the first thing that comes to mind14:26
r0kk3rzsure14:27
larstiqeduardas_m: like http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/ubuntu-phone-ota-15-ditched14:27
eduardas_mlarstiq, lol... 22 hours ago..nice timing14:29
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eduardas_mwell, "on pause" does not really mean it is not getting done ever... still disappointing though14:33
larstiqmobile os life is harsh14:35
r0kk3rzif you actually read it though, its because of snappy dependencies14:36
r0kk3rzwhich kinda makes sense14:36
r0kk3rzandroid kernels suck for latest upstream features14:36
eduardas_mr0kk3rz, if a kernel supports containers (cgroups, namespaces), it can basically support snaps, no?14:37
Stskeepsten bucks on 'if it's too old to run systemd unmodified, forgetaboutit'14:37
Stskeepswhich is 3.4 likely14:38
Stskeeps:P14:38
eduardas_mhmmm...does mer use systemd?14:38
eduardas_mbecause I have found it beneficial for our embedded devices14:39
r0kk3rzyep, keyword there being 'unmodified'14:39
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