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| r0kk3rz | lpotter: bad news? | 09:49 |
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| eduardas_m | hello, if I understand correctly from looking at the sources of libconnman-qt, it does not implement any connman-vpnd functionality? | 13:17 |
| eduardas_m | if so, what does mer use to manage VPN connections? I assume they are still managed via connman, right? | 13:18 |
| eduardas_m | any useful information on this topic would be appreciated | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | it doesnt yet afaik | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | thats coming | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | i think some people install openvpn | 13:20 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, but that still gets tied into connman? | 13:21 |
| eduardas_m | is there some kind of library in mer that lets a Qt app use some kind of VPN functionality? | 13:24 |
| eduardas_m | just so that you know, I don't develop on SailfishOS... I only use libconnman-qt for a custom embedded Linux device (Yocto project) | 13:25 |
| eduardas_m | libconnman-qt works well to make a GUI for wi-fi management, but I wonder if I can take something from mer to work with VPN and have more functionality | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think that gets tied into connman, there might be a way to make it so | 13:31 |
| r0kk3rz | it looks people people have written a seperate app that talks to openvpn | 13:31 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, as far as I am aware OpenVPN can be tied into connman... that is what the CMST client on my Arch linux box is capable of doing | 13:33 |
| r0kk3rz | yes i found a topic talking about a /usr/lib/connman/scripts/openvpn-script | 13:34 |
| r0kk3rz | so perhaps it does after all | 13:34 |
| eduardas_m | though I haven't really tested that functionality yet... having trouble making CMST work with PPTP at the moment | 13:35 |
| r0kk3rz | but back to libconnman-qt, that should get updated with VPN stuff in the near future | 13:37 |
| r0kk3rz | its on jollas list | 13:37 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, is there some kind of upcoming features list on the net that I could get a link to? | 13:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | eduardas_m: unfortunately not, there is one but its very much out of date | 13:40 |
| r0kk3rz | eduardas_m: the most recent mentionings was in a community meeting, topic 3 here http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2016/mer-meeting.2016-12-05-09.00.html | 13:42 |
| r0kk3rz | most of what they mention relates directly to mer | 13:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | like bluetooth and 64bit arm and such | 13:43 |
| larstiq | also evidenced by what is in community mer:core | 13:45 |
| larstiq | eduardas_m: yes, openvpn ties into connman afaik | 13:45 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, just so that I understand: SailfishOS and mer are not exactly the same thing, but SailfishOS is the only OS using mer project stuff? | 13:46 |
| larstiq | eduardas_m: https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file/mer:core/connman/_service:tar_git:connman.changes?expand=1 | 13:47 |
| r0kk3rz | eduardas_m: not the only afaik, but the main one yes | 13:47 |
| larstiq | maybe not the clearest, but there you can see `- [vpn] connman-vpnd shouldn't run with -d by default. Contributes to MER#1644` | 13:47 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, what other OS is based on mer at the moment then? | 13:48 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik they are not publicly availabe things, used for specific purpose embedded stuff | 13:49 |
| eduardas_m | larstiq, thank you for finding that | 13:49 |
| r0kk3rz | not that ive seen anyway, but in terms of future development its 90% driven by what jolla needs for sailfish | 13:49 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, is only the mer part of SailfishOS open source? as far as I understand companies need to licence SailfishOS to use it on their devices, right? | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | not the only, but mostly yes the UI layer of sailfish is closed | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | eduardas_m: yeah it looks like a whole bunch of VPN stuff has been done on connman over the last few weeks https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/connman/activity | 14:02 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, I see people enabling pptp for connman, etc., but it is not quite apparent whether work is being done to modify libconnman-qt or whether any other library in mer is used to manage connman-vpnd | 14:10 |
| eduardas_m | last commit for libconnman-qt is on 28 Sep, 2015 | 14:10 |
| eduardas_m | what is the layer on top of connman-vpnd currently? as far as I understand there is none yet, right? VPN functionality is enabled but one has to write custom stuff to manage it from Qt? | 14:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | currently there probably isnt one | 14:13 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, I hope you don't mind me asking, but are you yourself a Jolla developer? or someone outside of Jolla working on mer? | 14:16 |
| r0kk3rz | im just a community person | 14:17 |
| eduardas_m | I myself am just someone who stumbled uppon mer by accident, by finding the libconnman-qt library in the Open Embedded index | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah theres a lot of people using the middleware in mer | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | that used to be seperated into nemo | 14:18 |
| r0kk3rz | more so than the mer-core and build toolset as a whole | 14:18 |
| eduardas_m | so there isn't a completely open-source community port for a mobile device of mer? like the usual linux distro? | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | that is nemomobile | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | but thats a bit of an on again off again project | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | there is also asteroid os for smart watches, but that is using Open Embedded core with nemo middleware | 14:21 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, to me it somehow seems that ubports or kde mobile get more publicity these days than mer or nemomobile..though I might be wrong since I'm new to all of this | 14:25 |
| eduardas_m | when I think of Linux on mobile devices these days Ubuntu Touch is the first thing that comes to mind | 14:26 |
| r0kk3rz | sure | 14:27 |
| larstiq | eduardas_m: like http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/01/ubuntu-phone-ota-15-ditched | 14:27 |
| eduardas_m | larstiq, lol... 22 hours ago..nice timing | 14:29 |
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| eduardas_m | well, "on pause" does not really mean it is not getting done ever... still disappointing though | 14:33 |
| larstiq | mobile os life is harsh | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | if you actually read it though, its because of snappy dependencies | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | which kinda makes sense | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | android kernels suck for latest upstream features | 14:36 |
| eduardas_m | r0kk3rz, if a kernel supports containers (cgroups, namespaces), it can basically support snaps, no? | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | ten bucks on 'if it's too old to run systemd unmodified, forgetaboutit' | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | which is 3.4 likely | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:38 |
| eduardas_m | hmmm...does mer use systemd? | 14:38 |
| eduardas_m | because I have found it beneficial for our embedded devices | 14:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yep, keyword there being 'unmodified' | 14:39 |
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