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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ping chriadam | 06:23 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | would you be unhappy if stuff like contacts data goes over dbus before landing in an application ? | 06:24 |
| chriadam | if it's not a peer-to-peer dbus connection, then yes | 06:28 |
| chriadam | anyone on the session bus can be snooped | 06:28 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: I'm thinking about the system bus | 06:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | basically I'm thinking about a simple authentification system | 06:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | based on polkit, and where replies would be sent via DBus | 06:39 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | app asks a daemon: "give me this and that", the daemon authorizes the call via polkit, and replies via dbus | 06:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | much like kauth framework in KDE | 06:40 |
| chriadam | I like the idea | 06:40 |
| chriadam | my concern would simply be whether the calls and responses were properly protected from snoopers. if so, sounds like a very nice idea. | 06:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chriadam: I'm trying to address this | 06:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 1. system bus | 06:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 2. additional config at the bus side | 06:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the problem will be: rewiring qtcontacts (you don't call the DB directly anymore, you call a DBus interface) | 06:42 |
| chriadam | can do that in the backend | 06:43 |
| chriadam | ie, the default manager | 06:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | default manager ? | 06:43 |
| chriadam | then just performs a bunch of dbus calls to the system daemon via dbus | 06:43 |
| chriadam | so, when you construct a QContactManager | 06:43 |
| chriadam | internally, that causes a QContactManagerEngine to be instantiated | 06:43 |
| chriadam | you can either construct a specific one, or if you don't pass any params, you get the default one | 06:43 |
| chriadam | so the default one could be the "talks to dbus and exposes responses" one | 06:44 |
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| SfietKonstantin | back | 06:45 |
| SfietKonstantin | back | 06:45 |
| SfietKonstantin | chriadam: I was saying that I will try on a dummy daemon written from scratch | 06:45 |
| SfietKonstantin | and maybe do some Qt contacts work afterwards | 06:45 |
| chriadam | sure | 06:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | I wonder how this model would apply for other components | 06:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | like access to GPS or camera | 06:46 |
| w00t | make sure to do some performance measurements - dbus is not really well suited to having large volumes of data sent over it, so with a large number of contacts, you may run into some pretty nasty walls | 06:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | w00t: I was worried of that | 06:47 |
| SfietKonstantin | any hints from your side ? | 06:47 |
| chriadam | w00t: is that the case even for p2p dbus sockets, do you know? | 06:47 |
| w00t | i don't have exact measurements to hand, just that it has been a pain point elsewhere | 06:47 |
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| chriadam | yeah, fair enough. I guess the marshalling and demarshalling isn't exactly a lightweight operation | 06:48 |
| w00t | i would hope p2p would be better if it doesn't go through dbus-server (i'd hope not), but you'll still have marshalling overhead | 06:49 |
| SfietKonstantin | I have seen this https://desktopsummit.org/sites/www.desktopsummit.org/files/will-thompson-dbus-performance.pdf | 06:49 |
| SfietKonstantin | marshalling a contact isn't something trivial either :/ | 06:49 |
| w00t | oh, he did stats for p2p. nice :) | 06:51 |
| SfietKonstantin | :) | 06:51 |
| chriadam | multimedia aside, 35 MB/s is still heaps | 06:56 |
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| w00t | a ping/pong isn't really the same level of complexity to transmit as contact data, though. i'd expect that to be a lot worse.. anyway, i'm just advising to measure before cutting :) | 06:58 |
| chriadam | yup | 06:58 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | chriadam & w00t about DBus what do you think about the fd passing ability | 09:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | IMO, if I want "secure" transmission of contacts, this won't work | 09:05 |
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| IgorSK | Hi. A timed-question. Was trying to build it, ended up with a missing header -- tzdata.type.h . | 11:26 |
| IgorSK | Where does the header come from? It's not in timed sources. | 11:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | tzdata ? | 11:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | IgorSK: ^ | 11:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/tzdata | 11:47 |
| IgorSK | Figured that. Looks like the header is a product of running iodata-type-to-c++ on tzdata.type file. | 11:49 |
| IgorSK | But that is nowhere in timed's build process (*.pro files). | 11:49 |
| IgorSK | *nowhere* | 11:51 |
| IgorSK | SfietKonstantinW, Stumbled on this: tzdata.cpp:148:25: fatal error: tzdata.type.h: No such file or directory | 11:52 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | hum | 12:06 |
| SfietKonstantinW | what is your compilation environnement ? | 12:06 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I think that there should be some tzdata-devel | 12:06 |
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| IgorSK | SfietKonstantinW, as for compilation environment it is a timed-only native build on an Ubuntu x86_64 pc. An attempt to compile timed on it's own. | 12:35 |
| IgorSK | Yes, that tooked pulling in contextkit (due to Qt4) and iodata. | 12:37 |
| IgorSK | After some git digging (https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/timed/commit/76146f60bab703d12b0dc2e0263f945b1f05da15) I get to assume it's not about some tzdata-devel-thing, but rather about iodata data parsing. | 12:41 |
| IgorSK | I failed to find where exactly (and if) "iodata-type-to-c++ compiler" gets employed in timed build process. | 12:46 |
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| IgorSK | Ok. Figured how the whole thing compiles. Learned a bit about qmake's configuration features (.prf). iodata installs a speciall *.prf, so that timed has a custom compiler for *.type files when it gets to be built. | 15:47 |
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| monich | IgorSK: impressive, isn't it? just to parse a freaking config file | 16:10 |
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| monich | I was amazed too when I first time saw that code | 16:11 |
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| IgorSK | monich, Let me hope the iodata thing is being used somewhere else outside timed. Otherwise it's a bit of an overkill. :) | 16:20 |
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