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| tortoisedoc | chriadam : ping | 05:23 |
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| chriadam | pong | 05:24 |
| tortoisedoc | ah! | 05:24 |
| tortoisedoc | chriadam : you have gotten your hands dirty with qtwayland? | 05:25 |
| chriadam | not really. if you have specific questions, ask giucam in #qt-graphics | 05:25 |
| tortoisedoc | argh | 05:25 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam is not @ jolla anymore afaik? | 05:25 |
| chriadam | no, he's at kdab now | 05:25 |
| tortoisedoc | does he still mantain the qt-wayland? | 05:25 |
| tortoisedoc | (for mer i mean) | 05:26 |
| chriadam | tortoisedoc: no, I presume that sletta or denexter do that now | 05:26 |
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| chriadam | can contact those in #qt-labs channels I guess | 05:26 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks chriadam! | 05:27 |
| chriadam | np | 05:27 |
| chriadam | in general #qt-graphics is the right channel for those discussions anyway | 05:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | sletta : it appears to have something to do with input event types | 06:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | chriadam : denexter hangs out on qt-graphics as well? | 06:33 |
| chriadam | maybe not, he's on #qt-quick though | 06:33 |
| chriadam | but he's in a meeting right now | 06:34 |
| chriadam | try him in 30 min | 06:34 |
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| sletta | tortoisedoc: So basically, something is stealing touch input? I wonder if it is related to the touch compression we're performing in lipstick.. | 06:52 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : huh touch compression? something introduced recently? | 06:52 |
| w00t | no, quite a long time ago | 06:52 |
| tortoisedoc | w00t : ok this seems compatible with the issue | 06:53 |
| tortoisedoc | w00t, sletta : the funny thing is it happens ONLY if the phone is kept locked right after boot for about more than 30 seconds | 06:53 |
| tortoisedoc | if you unlock it, it wont show | 06:53 |
| tortoisedoc | so something (compositor?) might be resetting something in that time frame which causes the bug | 06:54 |
| tortoisedoc | I have not tested STARTING the app late enough tho | 06:54 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta, w00t : what is this touch compression magik you talk about anyways? | 06:55 |
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| sletta | tortoisedoc: We're compressing 2-3 touche samples per frame down to 1 per frame | 07:07 |
| sletta | touch :) | 07:07 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : aha; is there a way to disable that feature? ie env var? | 07:07 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : can you pinpoint the code in lipstick or is it jolla-lipstick? | 07:07 |
| sletta | I don't remember which one, lemme check | 07:08 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : also, keep in mind that this happens only when test app is started on boot and phone is not unlocked within 30 seconds | 07:08 |
| tortoisedoc | i'd say if it's the input compression (which i assume is always on) it would happen always? | 07:08 |
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| sletta | yeah, most likely, unless there is some state that is initially wrong, but which gets corrected. Related to this timeout you are experiencing.. | 07:09 |
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| sletta | tortoisedoc: LIPSTICK_NO_TOUCH_INTERCEPTION=1 should disable the magic in lipstick. It is in lipstickcompositorwindow.cpp in lipstick.git | 07:11 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks! | 07:11 |
| sletta | QML_NO_TOUCH_COMPRESSION=1 for the client side | 07:12 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : I'll need to try it out on the testinput asap | 07:12 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : what is the rational behind the input compression? | 07:12 |
| tortoisedoc | speed? | 07:12 |
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| sletta | tortoisedoc: processing touch multiple times per frame is wasteful, yes | 07:22 |
| w00t | it's a common thing to have processing done in response to interaction, and soemtimes that processing is quite heavy | 07:22 |
| w00t | if you do it multiple times per frame, then that in turn means there's less time to render fluidly | 07:22 |
| tortoisedoc | w00t, sletta : ok but I'd imagine the input state gets used for rendering only once? or does every state change trigger a re-render? | 07:23 |
| tortoisedoc | cause that's expensive :P | 07:23 |
| sletta | input events typically result in some ui updates, so they also trigger rendering | 07:24 |
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| sletta | say that delivering the touch event and doing something with it takes 0.5ms | 07:25 |
| tortoisedoc | huh | 07:25 |
| sletta | That is followed up by rendering, which takes X ms of time | 07:25 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : is that qt design or lipstick? cause it's unusual | 07:26 |
| sletta | If we delivered all the sampled touch events, say 3, we'd be wasting 1ms just delivering touch events | 07:26 |
| tortoisedoc | usually input is updated only once per frame; then frame is rendered | 07:26 |
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| tortoisedoc | rinse and repea | 07:27 |
| tortoisedoc | s/repea/repeat | 07:27 |
| tortoisedoc | like in games | 07:27 |
| sletta | yes, and that is exactly what the touch compression does | 07:27 |
| tortoisedoc | very smooth | 07:27 |
| tortoisedoc | yes but | 07:27 |
| tortoisedoc | why do you need to have input compression in the first place? | 07:27 |
| sletta | it collects touch events, and delivers the last one, just before the frame is dropped | 07:27 |
| w00t | because the operating system doesn't do it for you | 07:27 |
| sletta | because the hardware samples at something other than 60 fps. For the jolla it is ~120-130Hz | 07:27 |
| w00t | the kernel driver may be delivering samples much faster than the screen's refresh rate | 07:28 |
| sletta | On OSX and windows, the OS will do compression for you. On X11, Qt does it for you | 07:28 |
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| sletta | On Sailfish lipstick/Qt does it for y ou | 07:28 |
| tortoisedoc | okay, so basically qt does not do it for you | 07:29 |
| sletta | Qml does it by default (based on that environment variable) | 07:29 |
| tortoisedoc | makes sense, as it does not know about frequencies of rendering / sampling | 07:29 |
| tortoisedoc | so how it works in games (where most of my experience comes from), is that input is represented with an array of bytes for the state | 07:31 |
| tortoisedoc | right at the start of the rendering, this array is sampled and used for rendering | 07:32 |
| tortoisedoc | so there is no "compression" per se | 07:32 |
| tortoisedoc | (as in explicit compression" | 07:32 |
| tortoisedoc | ) | 07:32 |
| sletta | Either they do what we do, which is to deliver the latest delievered touch event just before rendering | 07:32 |
| sletta | Or they accumulate input over time and do some low pass filtering on it to make it a bit smoother | 07:33 |
| sletta | Ideally, we would do smoothing on the touch events we pick up in lipstick's input driver, sync that to vsync and send those out | 07:34 |
| sletta | But right now, it is a bit more intricate :p | 07:34 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 07:34 |
| tortoisedoc | it always is | 07:34 |
| tortoisedoc | okay ill need to dig into this compression me thinks | 07:35 |
| tortoisedoc | to see if this is causing the issue or not | 07:35 |
| sletta | mm, happy hunting :) | 07:35 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 07:36 |
| tortoisedoc | the main problem is the environment | 07:36 |
| tortoisedoc | working on a production device is, well, limiting | 07:36 |
| tortoisedoc | sletta : feel free to join me :P | 07:36 |
| tortoisedoc | now you have a test app :) | 07:36 |
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| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: morning | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | hurhur | 09:50 |
| tortoisedoc | http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/05/chinese-arm-vendor-left-developer-backdoor-in-kernel-for-android-pi-devices/ | 09:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | sletta, w00t : https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-40167 | 10:46 |
| tortoisedoc | seems lipstick is not the only one experiencing issues | 10:46 |
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| tortoisedoc | (as in related to compression of input) | 12:03 |
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| Tofe | tortoisedoc: and they forgot to remove it from the other branch: https://github.com/allwinner-zh/linux-3.4-sunxi/blob/A83T/arch/arm/mach-sunxi/sunxi-debug.c#L41 | 12:29 |
| tortoisedoc | Tofe: Ups :D | 12:32 |
| tortoisedoc | might make it easier to port sfos on these devices tho! | 12:32 |
| tortoisedoc | now that intel shot the atom platform down, i need to look for a manageable (and most importantly supported) long term tablet :) | 12:33 |
| tortoisedoc | sad that there will be no x86 tho | 12:37 |
| Tofe | yup | 12:46 |
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| jubalh | hi | 17:09 |
| jubalh | I am trying to get rid of Android on my tablet and later also on my phone. For this i am currently researching a bit | 17:11 |
| jubalh | Could you tell me about what actually Mer is, maybe Mer vs Tizen? | 17:11 |
| jubalh | Is Mer the base and Samsung developed Tizen ontop of it? | 17:12 |
| jubalh | On my tablet I would just prefer any linux distro with gnome3, but seems thats not that easy :) | 17:14 |
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| jubalh | hello ;) | 17:14 |
| Sleep_Walker | :D | 17:14 |
| Sleep_Walker | jubalh: will you ask all the important questions and make notes? | 17:15 |
| jubalh | hehe | 17:15 |
| jubalh | I already asked some, but waiting for answers :-) | 17:16 |
| Sleep_Walker | OK | 17:16 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | jubalh: Mer is != Tizen | 18:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | they share the same "parent" (MeeGo) | 18:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but are backed by different people | 18:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and have different tech stack | 18:21 |
| Sleep_Walker | I was thinking (as many people before me for sure) about mixing Android and desktop distribution built for ARM | 18:27 |
| Sleep_Walker | using Android kernel, vendor blobs and put there distro we're used to | 18:28 |
| Sleep_Walker | and I'd like to not reinvent the wheel | 18:29 |
| faenil | that's what Jolla and Ubuntu phones/tablets do :) | 18:29 |
| Sleep_Walker | yeah | 18:30 |
| Sleep_Walker | but Ubuntu phones are not intended to be used like linux phones | 18:31 |
| Sleep_Walker | (I have one ;) | 18:31 |
| Sleep_Walker | you can't install packages to the root system (or it will break badly in future), applications are self-contained packages ignoring dynamic linking, FHS, etc | 18:32 |
| Sleep_Walker | I'm looking for already done pieces | 18:33 |
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| Sleep_Walker | how linux world use androids daemons for controlling HW, what daemons are done and used, what applications, what "launchers" or other touch control ready environments there are around | 18:35 |
| faenil | you can totally use Ubuntu phone like a normal linux phone, if you intend to | 18:35 |
| faenil | (I do) | 18:36 |
| * faenil works for Canonical :) | 18:36 | |
| Sleep_Walker | you can run every application with MIR support | 18:39 |
| faenil | and X, using XMir | 18:39 |
| faenil | (project Libertine) | 18:40 |
| faenil | but I don't want to steal Mer's channel, this is OT here :) feel free to ask in #ubuntu-touch or #ubuntu-app-devel if you have more questions ;) | 18:40 |
| Sleep_Walker | it is probably good idea, but I'm not sure how warmly they'll welcome my rants and my attempts (which will be OT there as well) | 18:42 |
| faenil | it depends if you just want to rant if you have constructive criticism/questions, of course :) but feel free to contact me if you have any additioanl question | 18:43 |
| faenil | [..] to rant OR if you have contstructive [..] | 18:43 |
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| nh1402 | you could always work on xwayland | 19:18 |
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| Sleep_Walker | I use wayland with xwayland on my notebook so why not | 20:49 |
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