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| peat-psuwit | Excuse me, when making a call in Mer, what component set voicecall profile on pulseaudio? | 14:23 |
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| Stskeeps | peat-psuwit: probably the ohmd/resource policy stuff | 16:47 |
| peat-psuwit | Stskeeps: I'm sorry but I'm new to Mer. What was ohmd? | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | peat-psuwit: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Audio | 16:50 |
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| Stskeeps | whois peat-psuwit | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's embarassing ;) | 17:00 |
| JvD_ | =) | 17:04 |
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| ghosalmartin | nice day in the hills | 17:06 |
| ghosalmartin | it was windy | 17:06 |
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| peat-psuwit | Stskeeps: I can't find such code. I'm finding how VSID support in pulseaudio-module-droid is used. | 17:28 |
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| ghosalmartin | in the release builds, weres the middleware at? | 17:30 |
| ghosalmartin | for mer-core | 17:30 |
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| Stskeeps | ghosalmartin: not merged, ignore anything but devel atm | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | ghosalmartin: tell me about the gdb issue | 17:49 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: have to update to gdb 7.6, but the MR breaks gitlab | 17:49 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: so can we point the devel aarch64 build to my repos for on device testing | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | well in fixup you can change _service to point whereever? | 17:52 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: I can indeed, and they point at my repos atm, but xorg stuff won't build without my enabling a lot of sb2 repos, so I thought it'd be easier to just point devel aarch64 to my repos tbh | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah, bad idea.. sb2 repos? | 17:53 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: fair enough, i mean sb2 packages | 17:53 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: other than xulrunner, fixup is complete | 17:53 |
| * Stskeeps still doesn't grok it :P | 17:54 | |
| ghosalmartin | grok? | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | as in, understand | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | might just be my mind being in the wrong place | 17:55 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: all of aarch64 packages are more or less built | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | right | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | [18:53] <ghosalmartin> Stskeeps: fair enough, i mean sb2 packages | 17:55 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: ohhhh, https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor/mer-core:aarch64:devel:fixup?arch_aarch64=1&defaults=0&repo_Core_aarch64=1&unresolvable=1 | 17:56 |
| ghosalmartin | sb2-tools-aarch64 has a lot of package deps | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | sb2-tools- can be ignored | 17:56 |
| ghosalmartin | ah then, done :P | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | they're only supposed to build on i486 | 17:56 |
| ghosalmartin | well xulrunner still hates me, but I can't find any fixes for that, well aside from new gcc | 17:57 |
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| ghosalmartin | but upgrading gcc to something new seems like a big deal | 17:58 |
| ghosalmartin | so whats next? | 18:04 |
| ghosalmartin | libhybris? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably try to do a mic image creation of a mer core pattern for aarch64 with the mer-core:aarch64:devel and mer-core:aarch64:devel:fixup obs repos | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | and see how far you get | 18:06 |
| ghosalmartin | okay | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | you might need to patch a fair bit of python | 18:07 |
| ghosalmartin | ewwwww python | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | and when you have one of those, to try and boot it up in qemu for aarch64 or the likes | 18:08 |
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| ghosalmartin | fair enough, atleast someway to test | 18:09 |
| ghosalmartin | also is the mic image stuff basically around page 27ish of the hadk | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | just mic cr -A aarch64 foo.ks .. i'll help with that | 18:11 |
| ghosalmartin | is this stuff documented in hadk? | 18:12 |
| ghosalmartin | well mic doesnt have aarch64 | 18:13 |
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| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: do you mean your going to provide the ks? | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8858901 and mic cr fs -A aarch64 | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | note the unfold comment | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | and adding aarch64 support is easy, AFAIK | 18:16 |
| ghosalmartin | ahh okay | 18:19 |
| ghosalmartin | i assume stick fixup in there | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | your headache will be about the qemu-arm vs qemu-aarch64 stuff i thin | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | lk | 18:20 |
| ghosalmartin | we'll see how it behaves when i setup aarch64 qemu then | 18:22 |
| ghosalmartin | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-core:/aarch64:/devel:/fixup/Core_aarch64/ | 18:24 |
| ghosalmartin | should take that happily? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 18:25 |
| ghosalmartin | time to add arch and start a headache | 18:27 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: what do you mean by unfold? also is repomd the same as patterns? | 18:35 |
| ghosalmartin | does it just mean populate that list with the mer-core packages | 18:40 |
| ghosalmartin | hmmm tizen updated mic with aarch64 support | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | as in expand the @Mer Core to the indivudal packages | 19:14 |
| ghosalmartin | fair enough | 19:19 |
| ghosalmartin | i assume the archs are set somewhere in the python code | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah if not already there | 20:00 |
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| ghosalmartin | for now cant find a nice easy way to add aarch64 | 20:13 |
| ghosalmartin | ama just look at tizens code | 20:14 |
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| Stskeeps | first out try if it actually works and how much, first | 20:48 |
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| ghosalmartin | sorry i mean tizens mic | 21:24 |
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| M4rtinK | Mer on MIPS when ? ;-) | 21:30 |
| M4rtinK | ( http://devconfcz2016.sched.org/event/5m1g ) | 21:30 |
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| ghosalmartin | isnt there a mips port? | 21:31 |
| ghosalmartin | also what would use a mips port? | 21:31 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, some widely available hardware would needed first | 21:40 |
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| ghosalmartin | on the other hand aarch64 is unfortunately becoming very popular | 21:44 |
| M4rtinK | well | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | depends on the flavor | 21:45 |
| ghosalmartin | whatever android uses | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | the SBSA one with a spec & UEFI and ACPI should be nice | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | the one android uses is just the same old ARM madness in 64 bits | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | unfortunately | 21:46 |
| ghosalmartin | fun fun fun | 21:46 |
| ghosalmartin | this would never of been that much of an issue if manufactures released both 32bit and 64bit binaries | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC there should be some limited amount of backwards compatibility | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | for 32 bit stuff on the 64 bit cores | 21:49 |
| ghosalmartin | there is | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | might not be enough for running a whole 32 bit OS | 21:49 |
| ghosalmartin | but the binaries are 64bit binaries :P | 21:49 |
| ghosalmartin | i tried a lot of flavours of android with a lot of different binaries, and replacing binaries with api version equivilant but no luck | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK | BTW: https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2016/01/17/running-32-bit-arm-virtual-machine-on-aarch64-hardware/ | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK | probably not very related but still IMHO quite interesting | 21:51 |
| ghosalmartin | ive read quite a few of his posts, seems to really like his 32bit to aarch64 | 21:52 |
| ghosalmartin | well he is an arm/aarch64 dev | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC he tried to use an armv64 mustang as a desktop for a while :) | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | *aarch64 | 21:57 |
| ghosalmartin | would arm really make a useful desktop experience? | 21:58 |
| M4rtinK | well, why note ? | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | if affordable and powerful enough | 21:59 |
| M4rtinK | *why not | 21:59 |
| ghosalmartin | its the only upside i can see, cost | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | well | 22:01 |
| ghosalmartin | and lack of noisey fan | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | the actually usable 64 bit boards are still quite expensive | 22:01 |
| M4rtinK | if actually available | 22:01 |
| ghosalmartin | buy a nexus 5x, rip out lcd, connect to monitor :P | 22:02 |
| ghosalmartin | port mer aarch64 | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | the 32 bit arm boards are much cheaper - but the cost/performance ration might still be worse than a cheap x86 board | 22:02 |
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| ghosalmartin | load whatever window manager you want | 22:02 |
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| ghosalmartin | personally i miss hildon | 22:02 |
| M4rtinK | I think the "you need a custom distro to actually do anything" is at fault here | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | tha hildon is kinda dead | 22:03 |
| M4rtinK | and we don't really have OSS mobile shells | 22:03 |
| ghosalmartin | no I don't believe a custom distro is required, seems to cause more fragmentation than good | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | as the few people passionate enough are basically playing release engineers/package maintainers for their own distros | 22:04 |
| M4rtinK | not moving things forward | 22:04 |
| ghosalmartin | and yeah a shame. I think hildon was a really good tablet ui | 22:04 |
| ghosalmartin | its kinda what I see most open source attempts ending in, everyone has a different idea of how the UX should be, and I can't see people agreeing | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | I really think making a normal distro like Fedora run on mobile phones would really help | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | you would not need to care about (security) updates | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | and could actually move things forward | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | that could also be an issue | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | but currently you don't even have a place where to run it | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | on a mobile device | 22:06 |
| ghosalmartin | isn't that what mers for? | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | well, without an awful lot of unrelated work | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | sure | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | but its a separate and very minimalistic distro | 22:07 |
| ghosalmartin | or is mer really still missing a lot, and sfos is what we really want, ie take sfos and skin it | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | its more like - do we really need a special distro ? | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | what's the different ? | 22:07 |
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| M4rtinK | can't we really take a generic one and use it with some tweaks | 22:08 |
| ghosalmartin | it seems like mer is still missing a lot of implementation, while sfos you just a ux experience to | 22:09 |
| ghosalmartin | could be wrong | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | Mer more and more seems like just duplicating the work done by normal distros to me | 22:10 |
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| M4rtinK | eq. fixing CVEs, updating packages, fixing build issues, etc. | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | while other things are actually required like improving the mobile oriented middleware, writing OSS mobile shells, etc. | 22:10 |
| ghosalmartin | what do you mean by mobile shells? | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | UX | 22:11 |
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| M4rtinK | suitable for mobile use | 22:11 |
| ghosalmartin | ahhh | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | ideally it would just be a package group | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | and enabled service preset on top of a "normal" distro | 22:13 |
| ghosalmartin | its not a bad idea | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | instead of Gnome Shell/Plasma Desktop it would have a suitable mobile shell/UX | 22:14 |
| ghosalmartin | its just I think distros think that mobile linux has already been done | 22:14 |
| ghosalmartin | by android | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | and a couple of additional services for mobile use | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | like power management, telephony, etc. | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | well, I think it more like a resignation at the moment | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | I see quite a lot of interest in "real Linux on a phone" among people | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | it's jut that its still quite hard to do | 22:15 |
| ghosalmartin | by real linux phone, do they expect open binaries? | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | due to how fucked-up the ARM world is | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | well, that would be ideal | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK | and at least for Fedora kernel mainline support & no blobs would be a requirement for official deliverable | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | and there are arm devices that satisfy that: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | just not any mobile phones or tablets at the moment | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | but I wonder how hard an unofficial deliverable would be to do & maintain... | 22:19 |
| ghosalmartin | well gathering from the amount of difficulty for people to get hardware | 22:20 |
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| ghosalmartin | anywhere know where the mic repo is? | 22:42 |
| taaem | ghosalmartin: https://github.com/mer-tools/mic | 22:44 |
| ghosalmartin | taaem: thanks :) | 22:46 |
| M4rtinK | ghosalmartin: note the horribly outdated version of the bundled pykickstart :) | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | ghosalmartin: https://github.com/mer-tools/mic/tree/mer/mic/3rdparty/pykickstart | 22:49 |
| ghosalmartin | M4rtinK: I just want to find where its defining what arches it supports :P | 22:49 |
| ghosalmartin | and currently illness is getting the better of me | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | sure :) | 22:50 |
| ghosalmartin | also is bundling bad/ | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | just noting that someone should finally update that | 22:50 |
| ghosalmartin | shouldnt this stuff be pointing to the upstream? | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | or use a system package | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | exactly | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, upstream: https://github.com/rhinstaller/pykickstart | 22:50 |
| ghosalmartin | M4rtinK: ill try and get it done, if someone will look at the MR when i do it | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | cool :) | 22:51 |
| ghosalmartin | tbf mic itself seems out of date. is there any reason were not just using the tizen one? or have they gone with a different path for it? | 22:52 |
| ghosalmartin | since tizens mic already has aarch64 and what not | 22:52 |
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| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: does fixup inherit from the main project? | 23:05 |
| taaem | ghosalmartin: maybe interesting what the ubuntu guys are doing with libhybris 64bit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ContainerArchitecture | 23:08 |
| ghosalmartin | taaem: am going to have to give that a good read tomorrow | 23:10 |
| ghosalmartin | brain has currently gone to mush and is trying to brute force anything | 23:10 |
| ghosalmartin | thanks :) | 23:10 |
| ghosalmartin | if a package is noarch, mic should have no problems finding it, right? | 23:13 |
| ghosalmartin | http://pastebin.com/0h97QwWX for tomorrow | 23:26 |
| ghosalmartin | Stskeeps: what i have so far, seems to miss out noarch packages | 23:26 |
| ghosalmartin | night all | 23:26 |
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