| pdanek | M4rtinK: ja uz si ich stahujem vsetky do Jollu, mainline kernel uz mam | 00:01 |
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| pdanek | kazdy den idem do prace/z prace peso tak 45 min takze bude cas sledovat | 00:01 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: no, v dobe ked bol OpenAlt sa este nevedelo ze Jolla krachuje ne> | 00:02 |
| pdanek | tak sa divim ze tento rok nic | 00:02 |
| pdanek | akoby komunita tratila zapal pre Jollu | 00:02 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: jo, to bouchlo az koncem listopadu | 00:05 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: tak zapal, je pravda ze to dost lidi polozilo co se o Jollu zajimali od zacatku | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | a jako neni se jim kolikrat moc co divit | 00:06 |
| M4rtinK | pac je to kolikrat v zasade nekonecny cekani | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | az nekdo z Jolly udela neco co ty od nich potrebujes | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | pro svou aplikaci, opravit bug, pridat funkci, atd. | 00:07 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: j | 00:07 |
| pdanek | nie je to moc open no | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | samozrejme ze sou pretizeni - kdo by nebyl v tehle situaci & poctu zamestnancu! | 00:07 |
| M4rtinK | ale je to tim ze to neni open +- | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | pulku tech veci by clovek poresil sam a poslal patch/pull request | 00:08 |
| M4rtinK | zaroven by mylo projekty jako Nemo Mobile na cem stavet | 00:08 |
| pdanek | no mohli mat defakto zamestnancov z komunity zadarmo | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | takhle by museli nejdriv napsat cely UI & zakladni aplikace znova | 00:09 |
| pdanek | takto nemaju ziadnych | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | jj | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | a jako nic dobryho jim to doted neprineslo | 00:09 |
| pdanek | neviem ci aj nie je neskoro | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | jen to furu lidi nasralo | 00:09 |
| M4rtinK | jako dost me stvalo kolikrat | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | kdyz sem to lidem ukazoval | 00:10 |
| pdanek | kek to nezachrania a Jolla klakne, neviem ci bude komunita dost silna na to aby to hnala kupredu podobne ako napriklad Plasma Mobile | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | a ptali se jestli je to cely open | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | a clovek jim musi rict ze neni | 00:10 |
| pdanek | jj | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | hodne lidi tohle odradilo | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | a jako neni se jim co divit | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK | aspon lidi kolem opensource sou cimdal zvyklejsi na to ze proste Open je default | 00:11 |
| pdanek | keby to aj Jolla zverejnila, kompletne zdrojaky, tesne pred tym nez zbankrotuje, to ude jak s Palm WebOS, to komunita uz nezachrani | 00:11 |
| pdanek | to musi byt otvoreny nejaky cas za zivota toho OS | 00:11 |
| pdanek | ked sa to rozvija | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK | je spatny kdyz android a Ubuntu Touch je v zasade otevrenejsi v tomhle | 00:11 |
| pdanek | nj | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | jj | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | ale i to by se hodilo | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | jako WebOS mel zajimavy napady | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | ale spis to clovek musel ohackovavat aby to delalo co potreboval | 00:12 |
| pdanek | mna u Jolly drzi najviac ten Android support, bez toho by som to nedal | 00:12 |
| M4rtinK | ty slavny "webovy" frmaworky byly na cokoli trochu slozitejsiho dost hruza | 00:13 |
| pdanek | a ked shashlik dokonci android support pre kde plasma mobile | 00:13 |
| pdanek | bude moznost zmigrovat | 00:13 |
| pdanek | njn | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | pozor na to, shashlik je primarne pro desktop | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | ale jako pouziti v Plasma Mobile je nabizi, to jo | 00:13 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: ee | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | jak Dan Vratil me to rikal :D | 00:13 |
| pdanek | shashlik maju integrovat do plasmy mobile co viem | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | imho je to starsi nez PM | 00:13 |
| M4rtinK | ale jako dava smysl to udelat | 00:14 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: planuju tam push notifikacie jak Dalvik VM a integrovat to so systemovymi notifikaciami> | 00:14 |
| pdanek | ? | 00:14 |
| pdanek | background apps atd? | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | vubec nevim | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | vim ze to ma nejak emulovat Android :) | 00:14 |
| M4rtinK | jako je i nejakej projekt pro Sailfish s timhle | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | akorat ten manik to ted myslim zrovna moc nestiha | 00:15 |
| pdanek | nj | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | akorat tam mel v zasade bezet naraz Android & Sailfish myslim :) | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | jo, jako tahle kombinace na Sailfish je dost dobra | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | taky obcas nejaky Android veci poustim | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | v zasade program na uceni japonstiny hlavne posledni dobou :) | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | ale treba nedavno na jednom conu v praze se dost hodil ConDroid :) | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | jako ale je to fakt na pytel | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | kdyz denne narazis na ruzny drobnosti | 00:16 |
| pdanek | no momentalne tam tie android apps bezia fakt dost dobre | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | co vis ze dou snadno opravit a udelat lip | 00:17 |
| pdanek | njn | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | ale je to tam uz roky pac ti co by to ted mohli opravit furt jenom hasej pozary | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | jj | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO lip jak na BB10 | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | jako tech failu je vic | 00:17 |
| pdanek | teraz je Jolla viazana investormi, keby to chceli otvorit | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | i s tou bugzillou | 00:17 |
| pdanek | mali to otvorit od zaciatku | 00:17 |
| pdanek | sa bali ze to cinania okopiruju | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | Together je peklo | 00:18 |
| pdanek | zaujimave ze nikto nekopiruje firefox os, ubuntu touch atd | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | prave | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | a navic jako t sou schopni +- naklonovat cokliv stejne | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | imho byly klony snad I N900 a N9 | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | s nejakym LOL OS :D | 00:19 |
| pdanek | :D | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | jako ted nemaji nic no | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | zaroven udelat poradnou podporu nejakeho zarizeni | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | na to by se ti cinani vylakli | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | ale oni na tom mohli vydelavat | 00:20 |
| pdanek | no snad Intex | 00:20 |
| pdanek | ale trochu stracam nadej | 00:20 |
| M4rtinK | mohli v pohode licencovat treba tema, grafiku, loga, trademark & support/updaty | 00:20 |
| pdanek | Intex so Sailfish bude mozno prvy aj posledny | 00:21 |
| pdanek | nj | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | jako uz jen to "nas foun nebude za rok tezitko" | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | by byl dobrej slogan na kterej by mohlo dost lidi slyset | 00:21 |
| pdanek | :D | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | a jako s tema bezpecnostnima srandama je to deon ode dne aktualnejsi | 00:21 |
| M4rtinK | *den | 00:21 |
| pdanek | jak to myslis? | 00:21 |
| pdanek | mne Sailfish teda nepride moc bezpecny OS | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | no na Androidu na aktualizace vcetne bezpecnostnich serou | 00:22 |
| pdanek | zalezi co mas za Android | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | pac ti chcou v zasade prodat dalsi foun | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | a to je vsechno | 00:22 |
| pdanek | Cyanogen ma celkom stabilne nightlies and patchuju celkom rychlo | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | no jako jo, tak jako neni tam v zasade zadnej snadbox, selinux, nic | 00:23 |
| M4rtinK | ale jako aspon co se OS tyce tak ty CVecka celkem resej | 00:23 |
| M4rtinK | jeste by to mohli teda resi i out of band | 00:23 |
| pdanek | selinux neni ani na Sailfish :D | 00:23 |
| pdanek | je to niekde davno v roadmap | 00:23 |
| M4rtinK | ale to beru ze asi nestihaj, uz jen asi kvuli QA | 00:23 |
| pdanek | Ubuntu Touch uz davno apparmor ma (selinux alternativa) | 00:23 |
| M4rtinK | tak ono neni jednoduchy to korektne nasadit na mobilnim zarizeni | 00:23 |
| pdanek | nj | 00:24 |
| M4rtinK | ja popravde vic verim SElinuxu :) | 00:24 |
| pdanek | nj | 00:24 |
| M4rtinK | Dan Walsh vi co dela (a nosi aspon na konferencich tricko s napisem "setenforce 1" :) ) | 00:24 |
| pdanek | :D | 00:24 |
| pdanek | apparmor lepsi nez nic | 00:24 |
| pdanek | a jednodussi na nasadenie | 00:24 |
| M4rtinK | to jako urcite | 00:25 |
| pdanek | ked ho ma aj ubuntu server aj suse linux enterprise | 00:25 |
| pdanek | tak to asi zle nebude | 00:25 |
| M4rtinK | SLES pouziva apparmor ? | 00:25 |
| pdanek | jasne | 00:25 |
| pdanek | aj ubuntu aj sles | 00:25 |
| pdanek | takze red hat je so selinuxom v precisleni | 00:25 |
| pdanek | co sa tyka enterprise linuxov | 00:25 |
| pdanek | teda nie iba sles, ale aj OpenSUSE, ale tak to je samozrejme | 00:27 |
| M4rtinK | ano, v *poctu* enterprise linux dister ;-) | 00:27 |
| M4rtinK | obavam se ze v poctu deploymentu to bude zas *trosku* naopak :) | 00:27 |
| pdanek | :D | 00:27 |
| M4rtinK | jako ted to dostava hodne na vyznamu kvuli kontejnerum | 00:28 |
| M4rtinK | bez SELinuxu nebo neceho podobnyho jsou ty kontejnery totalni reseto | 00:28 |
| pdanek | https://www.suse.com/support/security/apparmor/features/selinux_comparison.html | 00:28 |
| pdanek | tu mas pekny "jednostranny" comparison :D | 00:28 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: no jo, Ubuntu Touch je uz plne kontajnerizovany spolu s apparmor | 00:29 |
| pdanek | kazda app ma svoj | 00:29 |
| M4rtinK | Project Atomic ;-) | 00:30 |
| M4rtinK | BTW: https://opensource.com/business/14/7/docker-security-selinux | 00:30 |
| M4rtinK | http://www.projectatomic.io/ | 00:30 |
| M4rtinK | ^ ten zpusob updatovani tech masin na kterejch posutis ty kontejnery je dost cool | 00:31 |
| M4rtinK | mas tam neco jako stromy v gitu | 00:31 |
| pdanek | jj, poznam atomic | 00:31 |
| M4rtinK | takze vis jaky ty updaty fungujou ? | 00:31 |
| M4rtinK | obecne mi to pride skoro idealni pro mobilni zarizeni | 00:32 |
| M4rtinK | takhle doufas ze to na Jolla pri updatu neco nerozbije | 00:32 |
| M4rtinK | pac jinak mas dost mozna cihlu | 00:32 |
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| M4rtinK | tady by sis nejdriv vytvoril ten novej strom, navic jeste z diffu | 00:32 |
| M4rtinK | a pak bys do nej atomicky rebootnul | 00:32 |
| pdanek | to si musim nastudovat znova | 00:33 |
| pdanek | som to cital pred rokom | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK | a slo by se vratit zpatky na puvodni verzi | 00:33 |
| pdanek | j | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK | koukni na RPM OSTree | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK | to je ta technologie za tim | 00:33 |
| pdanek | j | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK | pouziva se to na vic veci a je to dost cool | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK | Ubunto ma neco podobnyho ale IMHO o dost primitivnejsiho | 00:33 |
| M4rtinK | maj tam snad proste vzdycky dva snapshoty ci neco | 00:34 |
| M4rtinK | ale moc dopodrobna sem to nesledoval | 00:34 |
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| LyriCa | hello | 00:34 |
| pdanek | ubuntu ma snappy | 00:35 |
| pdanek | to maju prave aj v ubuntu touch | 00:35 |
| pdanek | ale aspon to maju ready a integrovane | 00:35 |
| pdanek | lepsi vrabec v hrsti... | 00:36 |
| pdanek | co sa tyka mobilneho OS teda | 00:36 |
| pdanek | LyriCa: Hello good man. | 00:36 |
| LyriCa | hows it going ? I found out about this project and i was just amazed | 00:37 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: jo, to bych se mel kouknout jak vlastne fungujou ty jejich updaty | 00:37 |
| M4rtinK | pdanek: nic, uz asi povalim pomalu spat - dobrej pokec to byl :) | 00:37 |
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| M4rtinK | pdanek: tak zas nekdy | 00:38 |
| M4rtinK | LyriCa: most of the users/devs are probably asleep right now :) | 00:38 |
| M4rtinK | LyriCa: as they are in the European timezone | 00:38 |
| M4rtinK | LyriCa: I advice coming in the late European afternoon/Evening, that's when this channel is the most active :) | 00:39 |
| LyriCa | cool thanks | 00:39 |
| LyriCa | but one Q, have you tried sailfish on your phone? | 00:39 |
| pdanek | M4rtinK: dik tebe, dobru | 00:40 |
| LyriCa | i sorta wanna know how well/bad it works on other phones | 00:40 |
| pdanek | LyriCa: majority of people here have Sailfish | 00:40 |
| M4rtinK | LyriCa: works OK | 00:40 |
| M4rtinK | LyriCa: I'm using Jolla with Sailfish as my daily smartphone | 00:41 |
| pdanek | LyriCa: works fine, concrete works/doesn't work is here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 00:41 |
| M4rtinK | there are issues here and there but I like it overall :) | 00:41 |
| pdanek | LyriCa: but you won't get Android apps support on other phones except Jolla | 00:41 |
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| LyriCa | i dont care | 00:45 |
| LyriCa | lol | 00:45 |
| LyriCa | i just have a phone to talk /text anyways | 00:46 |
| LyriCa | and do periodical audio recordings | 00:46 |
| pdanek | LyriCa: then look at the link above to check functionality per phone ;) | 00:46 |
| LyriCa | i will thanks :) | 00:47 |
| LyriCa | hmnmn, i have a galaxy exhibit and i dont see it on the list :( | 00:51 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: w00t: can you add me as an owner to https://github.com/mer-qt so I can deprecate them | 12:32 |
| w00t | lbt: hrm.. I thought you had already moved qt over.. you didn't move it from there? | 12:34 |
| lbt | some seem to have been missed | 12:34 |
| lbt | some weren't from there I guess | 12:34 |
| w00t | ok.. they should have been, the stuff there replaced the identically-named 5.1-based stuff in mer-packages, I don't know why it grew a new location, that's just where I got told to put stuff at the time | 12:36 |
| w00t | added I think | 12:36 |
| lbt | ty | 12:37 |
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| faenil | lbt: what is the plan for the qt repos in mer, just delete the current ones and import those from github? | 17:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm plasma mobile uses nemo components | 19:00 |
| r0kk3rz | wonder what kind of deps plasma framework has | 19:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | qt5.3 is one of them... | 19:22 |
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| faenil | r0kk3rz: uses nemo components?? | 22:19 |
| r0kk3rz | faenil: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/mobile/plasma-phone-components/repository/revisions/master/entry/README.md | 22:20 |
| r0kk3rz | it lists 3 deps that come from nemo | 22:21 |
| faenil | r0kk3rz: ah you mean middleware from nemo | 22:21 |
| faenil | not UI compoennts | 22:21 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 22:21 |
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