Tuesday, 2015-12-08

pdanekM4rtinK: ja uz si ich stahujem vsetky do Jollu, mainline kernel uz mam00:01
pdanekkazdy den idem do prace/z prace peso tak 45 min takze bude cas sledovat00:01
pdanekM4rtinK: no, v dobe ked bol OpenAlt sa este nevedelo ze Jolla krachuje ne>00:02
pdanektak sa divim ze tento rok nic00:02
pdanekakoby komunita tratila zapal pre Jollu00:02
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M4rtinKpdanek: jo, to bouchlo az koncem listopadu00:05
M4rtinKpdanek: tak zapal, je pravda ze to dost lidi polozilo co se o Jollu zajimali od zacatku00:06
M4rtinKa jako neni se jim kolikrat moc co divit00:06
M4rtinKpac je to kolikrat v zasade nekonecny cekani00:07
M4rtinKaz nekdo z Jolly udela neco co ty od nich potrebujes00:07
M4rtinKpro svou aplikaci, opravit bug, pridat funkci, atd.00:07
pdanekM4rtinK: j00:07
pdaneknie je to moc open no00:07
M4rtinKsamozrejme ze sou pretizeni - kdo by nebyl v tehle situaci & poctu zamestnancu!00:07
M4rtinKale je to tim ze to neni open +-00:08
M4rtinKpulku tech veci by clovek poresil sam a poslal patch/pull request00:08
M4rtinKzaroven by mylo projekty jako Nemo Mobile na cem stavet00:08
pdanekno mohli mat defakto zamestnancov z komunity zadarmo00:09
M4rtinKtakhle by museli nejdriv napsat cely UI & zakladni aplikace znova00:09
pdanektakto nemaju ziadnych00:09
M4rtinKjj00:09
M4rtinKa jako nic dobryho jim to doted neprineslo00:09
pdanekneviem ci aj nie je neskoro00:09
M4rtinKjen to furu lidi nasralo00:09
M4rtinKjako dost me stvalo kolikrat00:10
M4rtinKkdyz sem to lidem ukazoval00:10
pdanekkek to nezachrania a Jolla klakne, neviem ci bude komunita dost silna na to aby to hnala kupredu podobne ako napriklad Plasma Mobile00:10
M4rtinKa ptali se jestli je to cely open00:10
M4rtinKa clovek jim musi rict ze neni00:10
pdanekjj00:10
M4rtinKhodne lidi tohle odradilo00:10
M4rtinKa jako neni se jim co divit00:11
M4rtinKaspon lidi kolem opensource sou cimdal zvyklejsi na to ze proste Open je default00:11
pdanekkeby to aj Jolla zverejnila, kompletne zdrojaky, tesne pred tym nez zbankrotuje, to ude jak s Palm WebOS, to komunita uz nezachrani00:11
pdanekto musi byt otvoreny nejaky cas za zivota toho OS00:11
pdanekked sa to rozvija00:11
M4rtinKje spatny kdyz android a Ubuntu Touch je v zasade otevrenejsi v tomhle00:11
pdaneknj00:12
M4rtinKjj00:12
M4rtinKale i to by se hodilo00:12
M4rtinKjako WebOS mel zajimavy napady00:12
M4rtinKale spis to clovek musel ohackovavat aby to delalo co potreboval00:12
pdanekmna u Jolly drzi najviac ten Android support, bez toho by som to nedal00:12
M4rtinKty slavny "webovy" frmaworky byly na cokoli trochu slozitejsiho dost hruza00:13
pdaneka ked shashlik dokonci android support pre kde plasma mobile00:13
pdanekbude moznost zmigrovat00:13
pdaneknjn00:13
M4rtinKpozor na to, shashlik je primarne pro desktop00:13
M4rtinKIMHO00:13
M4rtinKale jako pouziti v Plasma Mobile je nabizi, to jo00:13
pdanekM4rtinK: ee00:13
M4rtinKjak Dan Vratil me to rikal :D00:13
pdanekshashlik maju integrovat do plasmy mobile co viem00:13
M4rtinKimho je to starsi nez PM00:13
M4rtinKale jako dava smysl to udelat00:14
pdanekM4rtinK: planuju tam push notifikacie jak Dalvik VM a integrovat to so systemovymi notifikaciami>00:14
pdanek?00:14
pdanekbackground apps atd?00:14
M4rtinKvubec nevim00:14
M4rtinKvim ze to ma nejak emulovat Android :)00:14
M4rtinKjako je i nejakej projekt pro Sailfish s timhle00:15
M4rtinKakorat ten manik to ted myslim zrovna moc nestiha00:15
pdaneknj00:15
M4rtinKakorat tam mel v zasade bezet naraz Android & Sailfish myslim :)00:15
M4rtinKjo, jako tahle kombinace na Sailfish je dost dobra00:15
M4rtinKtaky obcas nejaky Android veci poustim00:15
M4rtinKv zasade program na uceni japonstiny hlavne posledni dobou :)00:16
M4rtinKale treba nedavno na jednom conu v praze se dost hodil ConDroid :)00:16
M4rtinKjako ale je to fakt na pytel00:16
M4rtinKkdyz denne narazis na ruzny drobnosti00:16
pdanekno momentalne tam tie android apps bezia fakt dost dobre00:16
M4rtinKco vis ze dou snadno opravit a udelat lip00:17
pdaneknjn00:17
M4rtinKale je to tam uz roky pac ti co by to ted mohli opravit furt jenom hasej pozary00:17
M4rtinKjj00:17
M4rtinKIMHO lip jak na BB1000:17
M4rtinKjako tech failu je vic00:17
pdanekteraz je Jolla viazana investormi, keby to chceli otvorit00:17
M4rtinKi s tou bugzillou00:17
pdanekmali to otvorit od zaciatku00:17
pdaneksa bali ze to cinania okopiruju00:18
M4rtinKTogether je peklo00:18
pdanekzaujimave ze nikto nekopiruje firefox os, ubuntu touch atd00:18
M4rtinKprave00:18
M4rtinKa navic jako t sou schopni +- naklonovat cokliv stejne00:18
M4rtinKimho byly klony snad I N900 a N900:19
M4rtinKs nejakym LOL OS :D00:19
pdanek:D00:19
M4rtinKjako ted nemaji nic no00:19
M4rtinKzaroven udelat poradnou podporu nejakeho zarizeni00:20
M4rtinKna to by se ti cinani vylakli00:20
M4rtinKale oni na tom mohli vydelavat00:20
pdanekno snad Intex00:20
pdanekale trochu stracam nadej00:20
M4rtinKmohli v pohode licencovat treba tema, grafiku, loga, trademark & support/updaty00:20
pdanekIntex so Sailfish bude mozno prvy aj posledny00:21
pdaneknj00:21
M4rtinKjako uz jen to "nas foun nebude za rok tezitko"00:21
M4rtinKby byl dobrej slogan na kterej by mohlo dost lidi slyset00:21
pdanek:D00:21
M4rtinKa jako s tema bezpecnostnima srandama je to deon ode dne aktualnejsi00:21
M4rtinK*den00:21
pdanekjak to myslis?00:21
pdanekmne Sailfish teda nepride moc bezpecny OS00:22
M4rtinKno na Androidu na aktualizace vcetne bezpecnostnich serou00:22
pdanekzalezi co mas za Android00:22
M4rtinKpac ti chcou v zasade prodat dalsi foun00:22
M4rtinKa to je vsechno00:22
pdanekCyanogen ma celkom stabilne nightlies and patchuju celkom rychlo00:22
M4rtinKno jako jo, tak jako neni tam v zasade zadnej snadbox, selinux, nic00:23
M4rtinKale jako aspon co se OS tyce tak ty CVecka celkem resej00:23
M4rtinKjeste by to mohli teda resi i out of band00:23
pdanekselinux neni ani na Sailfish :D00:23
pdanekje to niekde davno v roadmap00:23
M4rtinKale to beru ze asi nestihaj, uz jen asi kvuli QA00:23
pdanekUbuntu Touch uz davno apparmor ma (selinux alternativa)00:23
M4rtinKtak ono neni jednoduchy to korektne nasadit na mobilnim zarizeni00:23
pdaneknj00:24
M4rtinKja popravde vic verim SElinuxu :)00:24
pdaneknj00:24
M4rtinKDan Walsh vi co dela (a nosi aspon na konferencich tricko s napisem "setenforce 1" :) )00:24
pdanek:D00:24
pdanekapparmor lepsi nez nic00:24
pdaneka jednodussi na nasadenie00:24
M4rtinKto jako urcite00:25
pdanekked ho ma aj ubuntu server aj suse linux enterprise00:25
pdanektak to asi zle nebude00:25
M4rtinKSLES pouziva apparmor ?00:25
pdanekjasne00:25
pdanekaj ubuntu aj sles00:25
pdanektakze red hat je so selinuxom v precisleni00:25
pdanekco sa tyka enterprise linuxov00:25
pdanekteda nie iba sles, ale aj OpenSUSE, ale tak to je samozrejme00:27
M4rtinKano, v *poctu* enterprise linux dister ;-)00:27
M4rtinKobavam se ze v poctu deploymentu to bude zas *trosku* naopak :)00:27
pdanek:D00:27
M4rtinKjako ted to dostava hodne na vyznamu kvuli kontejnerum00:28
M4rtinKbez SELinuxu nebo neceho podobnyho jsou ty kontejnery totalni reseto00:28
pdanekhttps://www.suse.com/support/security/apparmor/features/selinux_comparison.html00:28
pdanektu mas pekny "jednostranny" comparison :D00:28
pdanekM4rtinK: no jo, Ubuntu Touch je uz plne kontajnerizovany spolu s apparmor00:29
pdanekkazda app ma svoj00:29
M4rtinKProject Atomic ;-)00:30
M4rtinKBTW: https://opensource.com/business/14/7/docker-security-selinux00:30
M4rtinKhttp://www.projectatomic.io/00:30
M4rtinK^ ten zpusob updatovani tech masin na kterejch posutis ty kontejnery je dost cool00:31
M4rtinKmas tam neco jako stromy v gitu00:31
pdanekjj, poznam atomic00:31
M4rtinKtakze vis jaky ty updaty fungujou ?00:31
M4rtinKobecne mi to pride skoro idealni pro mobilni zarizeni00:32
M4rtinKtakhle doufas ze to na Jolla pri updatu neco nerozbije00:32
M4rtinKpac jinak mas dost mozna cihlu00:32
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M4rtinKtady by sis nejdriv vytvoril ten novej strom, navic jeste z diffu00:32
M4rtinKa pak bys do nej atomicky rebootnul00:32
pdanekto si musim nastudovat znova00:33
pdaneksom to cital pred rokom00:33
M4rtinKa slo by se vratit zpatky na puvodni verzi00:33
pdanekj00:33
M4rtinKkoukni na RPM OSTree00:33
M4rtinKto je ta technologie za tim00:33
pdanekj00:33
M4rtinKpouziva se to na vic veci a je to dost cool00:33
M4rtinKUbunto ma neco podobnyho ale IMHO o dost primitivnejsiho00:33
M4rtinKmaj tam snad proste vzdycky dva snapshoty ci neco00:34
M4rtinKale moc dopodrobna sem to nesledoval00:34
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LyriCahello00:34
pdanekubuntu ma snappy00:35
pdanekto maju prave aj v ubuntu touch00:35
pdanekale aspon to maju ready a integrovane00:35
pdaneklepsi vrabec v hrsti...00:36
pdanekco sa tyka mobilneho OS teda00:36
pdanekLyriCa: Hello good man.00:36
LyriCahows it going ? I found out about this project and i was just amazed00:37
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M4rtinKpdanek: jo, to bych se mel kouknout jak vlastne fungujou ty jejich updaty00:37
M4rtinKpdanek: nic, uz asi povalim pomalu spat - dobrej pokec to byl :)00:37
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M4rtinKpdanek: tak zas nekdy00:38
M4rtinKLyriCa: most of the users/devs are probably asleep right now :)00:38
M4rtinKLyriCa: as they are in the European timezone00:38
M4rtinKLyriCa: I advice coming in the late European afternoon/Evening, that's when this channel is the most active :)00:39
LyriCacool thanks00:39
LyriCabut one Q, have you tried sailfish on your phone?00:39
pdanekM4rtinK:  dik tebe, dobru00:40
LyriCai sorta wanna know how well/bad it works on other phones00:40
pdanekLyriCa: majority of people here have Sailfish00:40
M4rtinKLyriCa: works OK00:40
M4rtinKLyriCa: I'm using Jolla with Sailfish as my daily smartphone00:41
pdanekLyriCa: works fine, concrete works/doesn't work is here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris00:41
M4rtinKthere are issues here and there but I like it overall :)00:41
pdanekLyriCa: but you won't get Android apps support on other phones except Jolla00:41
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LyriCai dont care00:45
LyriCalol00:45
LyriCai just have a phone to talk /text anyways00:46
LyriCaand do periodical audio recordings00:46
pdanekLyriCa: then look at the link above to check functionality per phone ;)00:46
LyriCai will thanks :)00:47
LyriCahmnmn, i have a galaxy exhibit and i dont see it on the list :(00:51
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Onii-chanhello01:31
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lbtStskeeps: w00t: can you add me as an owner to https://github.com/mer-qt so I can deprecate them12:32
w00tlbt: hrm.. I thought you had already moved qt over.. you didn't move it from there?12:34
lbtsome seem to have been missed12:34
lbtsome weren't from there I guess12:34
w00tok.. they should have been, the stuff there replaced the identically-named 5.1-based stuff in mer-packages, I don't know why it grew a new location, that's just where I got told to put stuff at the time12:36
w00tadded I think12:36
lbtty12:37
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faenillbt: what is the plan for the qt repos in mer, just delete the current ones and import those from github?17:01
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r0kk3rzhmm plasma mobile uses nemo components19:00
r0kk3rzwonder what kind of deps plasma framework has19:02
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r0kk3rzqt5.3 is one of them...19:22
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faenilr0kk3rz: uses nemo components??22:19
r0kk3rzfaenil: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/mobile/plasma-phone-components/repository/revisions/master/entry/README.md22:20
r0kk3rzit lists 3 deps that come from nemo22:21
faenilr0kk3rz: ah you mean middleware from nemo22:21
faenilnot UI compoennts22:21
r0kk3rzyeah22:21
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