Friday, 2015-04-10

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chriadamsledges: I'm looking at the bugs.merproject.org components list - it seems that (to some degree) each component is basically a package (although in some cases that may not be true)00:51
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chriadamsledges: is this the intention?  or is it intended that we have components which cover an area (and bugs for all packages involved with that area, get lumped under that component)?00:52
chriadamsledges: in particular, we need to add components for: contacts (currently, only contactsd exists as a component; we need to add libcontacts, nemo-qml-plugin-contacts, qtcontacts-sqlite); buteo (buteo-syncfw, buteo-syncml, buteo-sync-plugins (and the other buteo-sync-plugin* packages)); calendar (kcalcore, mkcal); accounts&sso (libaccounts-glib, libaccounts-qt, libsignon, signon-plugin-*); ... probably more as I think of them.00:54
chriadam^ this assumes that we're meant to use the mer:core bug area for nemo:mw bugs too now (iamer's email seemed to suggest that is the case)00:55
chriadamoh, under buteo, also need "libsocialcache"01:00
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lpotterso who is the keeper of merge rights? Sage__ ? Stskeeps ?04:53
lpotterspecifically for qt-sensors and qt-systems in mer-qt04:53
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Stskeepschriadam: i believe iekku has bugtracker maintainer rights too, to thandle that05:45
iekkuchriadam, Stskeeps: yes, i have. i  will add those now, sledges is on vacation05:47
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iekkuchriadam, just to clarify under which product you want those components? notice: path mer core > calendar > kcalcore isn't possible, but mer core > kcalcore is05:54
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deztructorsledges: please, add "statefs" and "vault" components to the mer bz06:19
chriadamiekku: actually, I guess that's part of my question06:21
chriadamie, do we want "per-area component groups" (like the hypothetical "calendar" component group)06:22
chriadamor do we want one component for each package (ie, no "calendar" component, just straight "kcalcore" component06:22
chriadamStskeeps: do we have a policy / direction with respect to "component organisation" in mer?  is it per-package, or per-area?06:23
Stskeepsper-package; permissions are more over in who owns the packages06:23
iekkudeztructor, under which component? i will do it06:23
Stskeepsit's sometimes really hard to tell what components are under what area in practice06:24
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Stskeepsand mer (and sailfish) is collection of components06:24
Stskeepser, packages06:24
chriadamiekku: ok, in that case, just add each of the packages directly as components - thanks06:24
chriadamStskeeps: right, it just becomes confusing when filing bugs, that's all06:24
chriadameg, some bug: "contact name appears wrongly" could require fix in three packages: qtcontacts-sqlite, libcontacts, nemo-qml-plugin-contacts06:25
Stskeepsnod06:25
chriadamso do we file just one bug?  under which package?  or do we file three identical bugs (urgh)?06:25
Stskeepsat the same time it's more likely to start in one package and then dive down to dependencie06:25
Stskeepsone bug, i think it's possible to be in multiple components isn't it?06:25
Stskeeps(iekku?)06:25
deztructoriekku, Stskeeps it looks like all components are packages... so, in this view there should be a lot of additional components added (aka packages), maybe we should group 'em somehow?06:25
Stskeepsgrouping is always subjective06:26
deztructorto avoid hundreds of components06:26
iekkuStskeeps, i think it's only one component / bug06:26
iekkuStskeeps, let me check06:26
iekkuyes, only one06:27
deztructoror somebody should just take the list of existing projects in mer/nemo and send an e-mail to get from maintainers info which components are actual06:27
iekkudeztructor, we have many already06:28
iekkuone option is to set more suitable product for components coming from old nemo06:29
deztructoriekku: yes, and these components just reflect some of existing packages06:29
deztructorso, they can't be used as umbrella for other packages06:29
chriadamno grouping will be perfect (eg, buteo-sync-plugins-carddav - does that belong under a hypothetical "contacts" group, or a hypothetical "sync" group?) but I'd suggest that some organisation is better than none.  Just my opinion.06:29
chriadambut oh well.06:29
Stskeepschriadam: i don't disagree; but any attempt at grouping so far has just been confusing for users of the components.. in my experience06:30
chriadamhrm.06:30
deztructornothing prevents us from assigning several components to one bug06:30
chriadamfair enough.06:30
Stskeepsmeego had real difficulty of 'where to file the component'06:30
StskeepsAND06:30
Stskeepswe do have bug triages, or used to, to make sure they went the right place06:30
iekkudeztructor, bug can have only one component06:30
iekkuStskeeps, i think it's high time to start it again06:31
Stskeepsyeah06:31
deztructoriekku: now it can have...06:31
chriadamso, what's the expected workflow for the case that I described before?  for me, I mean?  file just one bug, in just one of the components, but reference that MER#XXX in all three commits in the different repos?06:31
Stskeepschriadam: no harm in that IMHO06:31
chriadamok06:31
deztructorand should we add all existing projects as components to avoid usage of the "other"?06:32
Stskeepsprobably not a bad idea06:32
iekkuwe had following products in nemo: applications, hardware adaptation, middleware, nemo infra, qa, ux and under those components (or packages)06:33
iekkuin mer we have: mer core, mer crosshelpers, mer infra, mer integration tools, mer it, mer policies and processes, mer qa, mer vendor interface06:33
iekkuquestion: should some of the nemo products be in mer bz, to make life easier?06:34
* iekku isn't sure if components chriadam and deztructor asked for fits really under mer core..06:34
Stskeepseverything nemo mw is to be considered as part of mer core nowadays06:35
iekkuok, then it fits06:35
deztructormaybe it'd be good to split components by different products, at least to separate infrastructure, hw indepent parts and hw adaptation06:35
deztructormer core does not split hw adaptation from hw-indep components06:36
iekkuchriadam, did you have others than: libcontacts, nemo-qml-plugin-contacts, qtcontacts-sqlite, buteo-syncfw, buteo-syncml, buteo-sync-plugins, libsocialcache, kcalcore, mkcal , libaccounts-glib,libaccounts-qt, libsignon, signon-plugin-*06:38
iekkuchriadam, and do you want to be default cc on those?06:39
iekkudeztructor, and you had only statefs, vault?06:39
iekkudeztructor, and do you want to be default cc?06:39
deztructoriekku: I have cor, qtaround, statefs, statefs-qt, statefs-providers, vault06:40
deztructorI guess, all statefs* can be assigned to single statefs component06:40
deztructormaybe06:40
chriadamiekku: also libsailfishkeyprovider06:40
chriadamiekku: and pvuorela should be the default assignee for kcalcore and mkcal, mvogt should be the default assignee for libcontacts/nemo-qml-plugin-contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite06:41
chriadambut yes I'll be the default assignee for the rest.06:41
chriadamthanks06:42
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iekkuchriadam, default assignee is "need-triage", after triage it's "triaged", maintainers are usually in cc list06:45
iekkudeztructor, so instead of 3 different  statefs, one statefs* ?06:46
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iekkuchriadam, new components added07:03
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chriadamtyvm07:13
iekkunp07:14
iekkuback in old days we used to have every Monday  Mer bug triage 11:00 UTC and Nemo 7:00 UTC07:17
iekkui was thinking if we could start to have Mer triages again, and what time would be good for most07:18
deztructoriekku: just "statefs"07:21
deztructorand we'll see is it enough (I think it'll be enough)07:21
SfietKonstantinWiekku: please do bug triage again :)07:27
SfietKonstantinWiekku: maybe a post on Mer / SailfishOS ML07:28
SfietKonstantinWfor the time to do tirage07:28
iekkudeztructor, ok07:29
iekkuSfietKonstantinW, :nod:07:29
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iekkudeztructor,07:32
iekkucor, qtaround, statefs, vault added07:32
deztructoriekku: ty!07:33
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iekkuSfietKonstantinW, check Mer / SailfishOS ML10:36
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iekkuhmm, my mail didn't show up to Mer ML :o11:28
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stephgmoderated?11:30
stephg(awaiting moderation I mean?)11:31
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iekkumight be11:44
iekkulbt, ping ^^11:45
iekkuor then it's just my mail client11:53
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vgradeiekku: I did not see it here12:10
vgradesaw it to sailfish-devel but not mer-general12:10
iekkuok12:11
iekkuneed to check that i sent it to correct address12:11
iekkumer-general@lists.merproject.org should be valid, right?12:11
iekkuvgrade, and thanks <312:12
vgradeiekku: that right12:14
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* iekku hopes someone will soon allow it :)12:30
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kontioiekku: did you sent it from an e-mail address which is not subscribed to mer-general? might be the reason it's held back...12:32
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iekkukontio, true! might be so13:55
iekkuneed to check13:55
iekkukontio, actually, i should be subscribed as i'm receiving mails..13:55
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kontioiekku: there is still a chance you might have mixed up from which "account" resp. with which sender e-mail address you sent it :)14:02
iekkukontio, checked that too. receiving and sent from same address :P14:05
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iekkui knew you would say that next :D14:05
kontiook was worth checking :)14:05
iekkuit was14:05
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merlin1991hm how to actually unsubcribe from the mer-general list?14:24
* merlin1991 has a subscription on an old email account -> duplicates14:25
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flyingkiwiguyhi guys16:33
Stskeepshello hello16:33
flyingkiwiguyafter numerous flash attempts got SailfishOS up on my Nexus 516:34
Stskeepsyou can try over in #sailfishos-porters :)16:34
flyingkiwiguyand now running Apache: http://sequoia.dyndns.org:8080/cpuinfo.txt16:34
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flyingkiwiguyalso got some Flash drives hanging off it:16:35
Stskeepsotg works on n5?16:35
flyingkiwiguyfollowed the instructions here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_hammerhead16:36
flyingkiwiguymy current partitions:16:36
flyingkiwiguyDisk /dev/mmcblk0: 31.3 GB, 31268536320 bytes, 61071360 sectors Disk /dev/mmcblk0rpmb: 4 MB, 4194304 bytes, 8192 sectors Disk /dev/sda: 64.0 GB, 64016220160 bytes, 125031680 sectors Disk /dev/sdb: 64.0 GB, 64016220160 bytes, 125031680 sectors16:37
flyingkiwiguywas pondering running RAID1 on my Nexus 5 now ;-)16:37
flyingkiwiguymy problem is that ssh is very laggy over WiFi16:37
Stskeepsis it in suspend?16:37
flyingkiwiguysuspend?16:37
Stskeepsas in display off16:38
flyingkiwiguyI enabled the performance CPU governor16:38
flyingkiwiguyyeah16:38
Stskeepsthat's why, it's literally waking up every single time you send a letter or packet to it and rapidly going back to sleep16:38
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flyingkiwiguyas it is continuously powered can I disable suspend then?16:38
Stskeepsi think you can avoid suspending but i forget how atm16:38
Stskeepsprobably mce-tools package16:38
Stskeepsor -dev16:38
flyingkiwiguyI'm trying to build a nice little private Linux server around the Nexus 5 - hang some storage off it. Private Dropbox, etc. Wifi with fallback to 4G, dynamic DNS, etc16:39
Stskeepsyeah sounds like it16:39
flyingkiwiguycheers16:40
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spiiroinflyingkiwiguy: Stskeeps: mcetool --set-suspend-policy=disabled16:42
flyingkiwiguyyup - just did that - thx!16:43
* Stskeeps ponders if spiiroin has mce as highlight16:43
flyingkiwiguyis that persistent across reboots?16:43
spiiroinflyingkiwiguy: yes16:44
flyingkiwiguycoolio16:44
flyingkiwiguyanyone know if YaST is supported so I can easily pull in RPMs? I have got pkcon / zypper / Warehouse installed, but coming from the Debian world it feels a bit fragmented...16:49
Stskeepsit's nit16:50
Stskeepsnot16:50
flyingkiwiguyguess I'll be compiling from source then16:52
flyingkiwiguythx for all the help16:52
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flyingkiwiguyany estimate of my chances of getting a Linux kernel to compile on the Nexus 5?17:01
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r0kk3rzflyingkiwiguy: check on https://build.merproject.org/ for packages first17:22
r0kk3rzyou can always create your own packages as well17:22
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vgradenow this is handy, http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/elc_telephony_piirainen_0.pdf17:34
Stskeepsindeed17:35
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