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kimmoli | lbt: is the full compile logfile available somewhere/somehow from obs? if i click dowload logfile, it doesn't do anything | 08:22 |
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tbr | kimmoli: the build log from the UI doesn't have it? | 08:46 |
Stskeeps | osc remotebuildlog if it doesn't work | 08:47 |
kimmoli | it is just tail | 08:47 |
kimmoli | tnx Stskeeps | 08:49 |
faenil | kimmoli, known bug :/ | 08:53 |
Stskeeps | faenil: pester lbt about it while in fosdem :p | 08:53 |
faenil | hehe | 08:54 |
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faenil | kimmoli, https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851 cc lbt | 09:08 |
merbot | Mer bug 851 in Mer OBS "Download log button leads to 401" [Task,New] | 09:08 |
lbt | ty | 09:08 |
faenil | lbt, just a reminder, it's not new :) | 09:08 |
lbt | yep - also faenil: can you select a menu for meal @ fosdem | 09:08 |
faenil | I have already? | 09:08 |
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kimmoli | i got 401 from osc remotebuildlog /that log url/ | 09:09 |
faenil | kimmoli, try replacing build. with api. at the beginning | 09:09 |
kimmoli | it works with project pkg repo arch | 09:10 |
lbt | faenil: fine - I did a page refresh and it's there | 09:10 |
faenil | lbt, cool, I added it a few days ago, then last night I noticed it wasn't there anymore :/ and added it bac | 09:11 |
faenil | k | 09:11 |
lbt | timoph: menu for fosdem | 09:11 |
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timoph | lbt: a sec | 09:37 |
timoph | lbt: menu 1 | 09:37 |
lbt | edited and set | 09:38 |
timoph | thanks | 09:39 |
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nazanin | A request to Mer Package Maintainers to support vendor tracking of changes in Mer, read more: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-January/005571.html | 13:12 |
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SK_work | nazanin: Is the bot already in place ? | 13:30 |
SK_work | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FAQ#Vendor_.27Jolla.27_Frequently_Asked_Questions <- this makes it looks like it is | 13:30 |
nazanin | SK_work: Jolla's CI-bot? yes | 13:31 |
SK_work | no, Mer's CI bot | 13:31 |
SK_work | and the Mer -> Jolla bz bridge | 13:31 |
SK_work | another interesting question is: what is the state of MerNemo merge | 13:32 |
SK_work | and what to do with HADK stuff | 13:32 |
nazanin | SK_work: yeah, the mer-jolla bugzilla bridge is in place. It's not fully automated yet,though | 13:32 |
nazanin | SK_work: the faq has something about the Nemo (if that's what you mean) | 13:33 |
nazanin | about HADK, lbt? ^ | 13:33 |
Stskeeps | we should just a hackathon on the merge stuff in fosdem.. | 13:33 |
locusf | mer + nemo merge should only depend on permissions fixing to obs -> gitlab, or thats what I heard from Stskeeps | 13:34 |
Stskeeps | nod | 13:34 |
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locusf | I don't have a laptop to help out :/ | 13:34 |
SK_work | nazanin: the faq says stuff about Nemo indeed ... but can this be done in the future ? | 13:35 |
SK_work | Stskeeps: hackatlon for merge stuff ? perfect | 13:35 |
Stskeeps | nemo bugs would become mer bugs | 13:35 |
Stskeeps | as in, nemo mw | 13:35 |
nazanin | yes | 13:36 |
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locusf | yeah since mw components are now inside mer-core:devel | 13:38 |
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SK_work | Stskeeps: nemo-hadk bugs will stay nemo-hadk bugs. But the bot could benefit to sledges and HADK | 13:40 |
Stskeeps | mm | 13:40 |
sledges | being worked on | 13:43 |
SK_work | cool | 13:44 |
SK_work | Stskeeps & nazanin will we start to see some benefits of the bridge / bot soon, ie, will the new organization be effective soon ? | 13:45 |
SK_work | (so that we can check who is the owner of a bug, and the status etc.) | 13:45 |
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nazanin | SK_work: afaik, yes... the bug statuses on mer and jolla are not dependent,though | 13:45 |
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SK_work | nazanin: ah ? so you won't see the owner etc ? | 13:46 |
SK_work | that's too bad :( | 13:46 |
nazanin | SK_work: you will | 13:46 |
SK_work | oops, sorry, it is the status that is independant ? | 13:47 |
nazanin | SK_work: yes | 13:47 |
SK_work | in practice what will be the difference ? won't you see "opened", "assigned", "resolved", in sync with jolla ? | 13:47 |
nazanin | SK_work: the bugs status in jolla is in sync with the integration process | 13:47 |
nazanin | (that is jolla's software release process) | 13:48 |
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sledges | SK_work: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/FAQ#How_is_the_tracking_bug_updated_in_the_Jolla_bugzilla.3F | 13:49 |
nazanin | was just pasting the faq link :P | 13:49 |
sledges | ;P | 13:49 |
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SK_work | sledges: haha | 13:49 |
SK_work | ok | 13:49 |
SK_work | so it is up to sailors to change the status mer side | 13:49 |
SK_work | :( | 13:49 |
nazanin | no | 13:50 |
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SK_work | ah ? | 13:50 |
nazanin | each part change the bug status accordingly | 13:50 |
nazanin | jolla on jolla bugzilla and mer on mer bugzilla | 13:50 |
SK_work | for what I have read, it is about mer bz status change => jolla bz status change | 13:50 |
SK_work | there is no sync back or am I wrong ? | 13:50 |
nazanin | mer bz status change -> jolla will be notifies of the status change :) | 13:50 |
nazanin | notified* | 13:50 |
SK_work | yes, but if a sailor finished the dev, and change status in jolla bz | 13:51 |
SK_work | it won't impact mer bz | 13:51 |
nazanin | jolla bz status change -> no change on mer | 13:51 |
SK_work | or it is the bot that is in charge of changing the status on mer ? | 13:51 |
nazanin | afaik, it shouldn't (at least for now) | 13:51 |
SK_work | mmm ok, let's see in practice | 13:51 |
nazanin | *nod* | 13:51 |
nazanin | SK_work: for now it's all about having the infra ready for collaboration. we'll see how we can proceed with this and will adjust things accordignly :) | 13:54 |
SK_work | I'm eager to see how this works | 13:54 |
nazanin | me too ^_^ | 13:55 |
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SK_work | ^_^ = nazanin's signature super cute smiley | 13:57 |
nazanin | haha | 13:57 |
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locusf | :) | 14:00 |
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SK_work | small question for those who were at FOSDEM last year | 14:16 |
SK_work | how is internet connection @ FOSDEM ? | 14:16 |
SK_work | is there any open network ? is it fast ? | 14:17 |
Mikaela | + is there captive portal? | 14:18 |
Mikaela | that seems important and annoying question | 14:18 |
Stskeeps | no captive portal, there's even ipv6.. | 14:18 |
Stskeeps | i wouldn't download a huge file on it, but it's there and it works | 14:18 |
Stskeeps | fosdem is the best and brightest of foss in europe, :) | 14:19 |
Stskeeps | and if not everybody in here saw it, re FOSDEM: https://together.jolla.com/question/77616/whos-actually-coming-to-the-mersailfish-meal-at-fosdem/ | 14:21 |
Mikaela | I wonder if I will ever get there | 14:21 |
Stskeeps | going this year and not trusting public transport, or in general? | 14:22 |
Mikaela | in general | 14:22 |
Stskeeps | nod | 14:22 |
Mikaela | I am more or less tied into Kotka, Finland | 14:22 |
Stskeeps | i regret not going earlier | 14:22 |
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SK_work | ping lbt | 14:45 |
SK_work | what will be your talk at FOSDEM ? cannot find the link :( | 14:45 |
faenil | SK_work, look it up on the app :) | 14:47 |
faenil | SK_work, or... https://fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/sailfishos/ | 14:47 |
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SK_work | thanks faenil :) | 14:54 |
SK_work | so many talks | 14:54 |
SK_work | much talks, such awesome | 14:54 |
faenil | yeah | 14:54 |
locusf | I've now got talks for each day until 17:00 | 14:56 |
SK_work | locusf: you already planned your days ? | 14:57 |
SK_work | I didn't yet :/ | 14:57 |
locusf | SK_work: yeah, but just a draft now, if you guys have pressing matters to discuss face-to-face then that of course takes priority | 14:58 |
SK_work | locusf: hackatlon to finish mer nemo merge ? :) | 15:07 |
* Stskeeps looks at his plan | 15:07 | |
locusf | SK_work: well that too :) | 15:08 |
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alh | (/b 59 | 15:11 |
alh | Wow third channel today | 15:11 |
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SK_work | made my plan to fosdem, or rather, list of talks to attend. Too much overlap ... | 15:37 |
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tbr | while I absolutely welcome jolla finally making a more coordinated move | 16:40 |
tbr | part of that mail gives me massive nausea | 16:40 |
tbr | the reality distortion field must reach steve levels in places | 16:41 |
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Stskeeps | which parts are nauseous? | 16:44 |
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tbr | we are so great at community, we are awesome, we put it first, yada yada yada | 16:44 |
nazanin | tbr: which parts? :) | 16:44 |
tbr | so why did the community need to kick your ass for over a friggin year | 16:44 |
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tbr | and the mer migration iis the half arsest thing in a long while | 16:45 |
tbr | I'd suggest to eat a double serving of humble pie before the next statement | 16:45 |
* Stskeeps needs to go bathe a kid so won't be making any statements until later | 16:46 | |
tbr | enjoy | 16:47 |
* SK_work is not sure if it is nauseaous or not, but part of the mail are definitely not needed | 16:48 | |
SK_work | straight to the point instead of putting a long introduction about community blabla | 16:48 |
nazanin | We needed to point everything out for everyone.I see what you mean here, but this proposal is meant to be read by anyone willing to contribute :) | 16:50 |
nazanin | so some repetative info had to be wrotten there | 16:50 |
tbr | nazanin: if you want everything pointed out, then brace for a few lengthy mails in which community members point out which parts you conveniently glossed over where jolla sucks elephants through dialysis filters | 16:51 |
* nazanin is typing on the go | 16:51 | |
tbr | this email is onesided and close to pr-spinning in my personal opinion | 16:51 |
tbr | which sabotages its well intentions | 16:51 |
tbr | as said, I applaud the move, I'm unsure what to think of the form of delivery | 16:53 |
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Aard | tbr: a) this has been in the making for way over a year, even before nazanin joined us, and is in no way related to "community kicking", as you call it. the people who care about community try to put all of their spare resources in there. we know we don't have enough resources on community matters, but that's not helped by attacking the people who are trying to change that b) mer merge (I assume you mean mer<>nemo merge) is wanted by jolla, but not ... | 16:54 |
Aard | ... pushed by jolla | 16:54 |
tbr | Aard: a result of kicking or not is rather irrelevant. mer and nemo is stalled or impeded for a very long time as the result of nobody being on the bridge of /that/ ship after putting it on autopilot/remote and taking all maps and charts off the bridge. | 16:59 |
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tbr | we all know jolla has their challenges and a rather small crew | 16:59 |
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tbr | decisions to concentrate work on certain things, even for the best intentions do have consequences in other areas. Even if you go out of your way to pretend that there weren't. | 17:02 |
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wmarone | could be worse, they could be like most other companies and keep you completely in the dark | 17:04 |
tbr | wmarone: that's pretty much what they did and now conveniently forget to mention | 17:05 |
Aard | this mail is from the people who did spend a significant amount of time to get things going and prepare infrastructure, so I believe it's justified to say they do care about community efforts. your issues about resourcing (or lack thereof) should be targeted at people responsible for the resourcing | 17:07 |
tbr | I don't see any value in further discussion, seeing with what attitude my well intentioned criticism is met. I'll just close and address the last statement by pointing out that the mail is signed on behalf of "the Jolla team", not "the Jolla team excluding resourcing responsibles" | 17:10 |
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tbr | and just to repeat myself a third time. I absolutely and without reservation applaud the move itself. | 17:14 |
* lbt would like to talk more but he's going dancing because he needs some non-tech life at the moment | 17:15 | |
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nazanin | tbr: Jolla didn't push, we proposed the idea and requested the adaptation from Mer | 17:22 |
nazanin | and about the not-needed words: this request is sent as a proposal, and I needed to follow the formalities to write that proposal. It might make it seem a bit boring (or not too-tech'ie), but we also have the mer-wiki and the faq part which describe things without spicying it up ;) | 17:26 |
nazanin | I also tried to keep the tech part and non-tech part as separated as possible in the email, so that if reader gets bored, he/she can skip to the parts which straightly point out the main purpose | 17:28 |
faenil | I agree about the autopilot and maps off the bridge, fwiw... | 17:29 |
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faenil | I have to keep asking Stskeeps for news or TODOs, and I'm sure he's full of other things to do as well | 17:30 |
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faenil | and I understand if he's bothered by my continuous questions on updates, as I'm sure you understand we're sad about the current situation as well | 17:31 |
faenil | It really seems like this whole merge move was started and now nobody knows who's piloting the ship | 17:32 |
faenil | there are no indications, no public updates, not even a tiny wiki entry on Mer Wiki | 17:33 |
faenil | n-o-t-h-i-n-g at all :( | 17:33 |
faenil | and it's been like that for months (or is it more than a year already?) | 17:33 |
faenil | I contributed as I could, moving to the new gcc | 17:34 |
faenil | but it always feels like I have to beg for new tasks or news | 17:34 |
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faenil | when the move was started I asked for a very simple thing: a wiki page tracking what's needed and how people can help | 17:35 |
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faenil | I (we?) don't even have the knowledge to do that by ourselves! we really are missing the maps, at least imho | 17:36 |
faenil | it seems all is depending on jolla, yet jolla doesn't have time for it | 17:36 |
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faenil | so it's been there in limbo for a year, without anyone even bothering to actually set up a wiki page or something that we could spread to look for community help | 17:37 |
faenil | there, my thoughts are on the web now, forever :P | 17:37 |
faenil | even though it seems I'm talking to a wall. I'm confident someone will eventually read it all | 17:38 |
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SK_work | faenil: let's see at FOSDEM | 17:49 |
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faenil | ABOUT THE EMAIL: there's a bit of PR but not too much, imho | 18:10 |
faenil | And, just like tbr, I'm HAPPY to see this happening. So thanks Aard nazanin and those who worked on this | 18:10 |
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r0kk3rz | eeeemail? | 18:32 |
kimmoli | r0kk3rz: e.g. https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-January/005571.html | 18:37 |
r0kk3rz | yeah just reading it now | 18:37 |
r0kk3rz | looks good :) | 18:37 |
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tbr | Stskeeps / tigeli - https://community.qualys.com/blogs/laws-of-vulnerabilities/2015/01/27/the-ghost-vulnerability | 20:18 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | more shiny logos for bugs | 20:32 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | and one serious bug for Linux ... | 20:32 |
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tbr | Sfiet_Konstantin: I could do without the logos... :-/ | 20:36 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | tbr: well, at least it raises general awareness | 20:36 |
tbr | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, having seen more than one corporate environment, I doubt the awareness is reaching far enough | 20:38 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | tech press do fancy articles with nice logos | 20:41 |
tbr | corporate landscapes remain unpatched | 20:41 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | this *might* lead to IT people reading these articles think about their environnement | 20:41 |
tbr | it's not the IT people. It's C-level that needs to wake up | 20:42 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | you can do nothing against C | 20:47 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | sadly C is here to stay as there is no alternative | 20:47 |
tigeli | tbr: yeah.. noticed it already, not too happy about it :D | 20:53 |
tbr | :> | 20:53 |
tigeli | tbr: patchin already | 20:54 |
tbr | *nod* thanks | 20:55 |
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tigeli | tbr: https://github.com/mer-packages/glibc/pull/6 | 21:44 |
tigeli | tbr: though it seems that the issue is fairly minor on the client-side | 21:44 |
r0kk3rz | any progress with having an out-of-band patch process for this sort of thing? | 21:51 |
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kimmoli | ah, we are having big update then... as if everything using glibc gets updated ? | 21:53 |
tigeli | kimmoli: there was already pr-5 ;) | 21:53 |
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kimmoli | ah | 21:53 |
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tigeli | r0kk3rz: more qa-resources would be needed to do that, we can't just push updates without doing proper qa on them | 21:55 |
tigeli | r0kk3rz: ubuntu/debian/redhat.. will not come and fix your devices if they broke due an update | 21:55 |
tbr | tigeli: I didn't have time to read up on the openwall article. Apparently it needs a certain combination of calls. Still possible | 21:55 |
M4rtinK | tigeli: well, I think fixes for stuff like this are usually heavily tested before being released | 21:56 |
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tigeli | r0kk3rz: and I still think we are doing better job fixing security issues than apple/google for those other devices | 21:56 |
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tigeli | M4rtinK: yes, but they do testing on component versions which we might not use :) | 21:57 |
M4rtinK | tigeli: you mean because of GPLv3 ? | 21:58 |
tigeli | M4rtinK: no | 21:58 |
tigeli | nothing to do with licensing | 21:58 |
M4rtinK | or version difference from stable enterprise Linux distros ? | 21:59 |
r0kk3rz | tigeli: agreed, you guys do a fine job | 21:59 |
r0kk3rz | tigeli: but i do think there should be a defined process outside the usual feature/bugfix release schedule | 21:59 |
tigeli | r0kk3rz: sure.. I didn't say it would not be done but just said that more resources would be needed for that :) | 22:00 |
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r0kk3rz | understood | 22:00 |
r0kk3rz | given that google/apple/microsoft have all been in the news over unpatched exploits, i would have thought it would be good pr to show speedy patch releases for major issues | 22:02 |
tigeli | sure and it's not like we would not want to do that :) | 22:03 |
tigeli | but you never know what future brings ;) | 22:04 |
M4rtinK | I guess it also heavily depends on the type of the vulnerability | 22:04 |
M4rtinK | both on impact & nature of the fix/breakage potential | 22:05 |
r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: sure, but in this day an age security fixes should be fired as soon as they're ready | 22:06 |
r0kk3rz | and not wait around for a patch tuesday | 22:06 |
M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: agreed | 22:07 |
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M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: most of these issue have been responsible disclosure, so ideally updates should have been on the way already now | 22:08 |
M4rtinK | but I can understand it is not always that easy | 22:08 |
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artemma | Hi All | 22:22 |
artemma | My test stopped building after last sailfishos update | 22:22 |
artemma | QT += testlib results in "Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: testlib" | 22:23 |
artemma | I guess some package definitions have changed and PkgConfigBR: - Qt5QuickTest isnt installing enough anymore | 22:23 |
artemma | does somebody know the new package names? | 22:23 |
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ljp | hmmm | 23:30 |
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